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Games => Star Citizen => Topic started by: Serviceman on October 02, 2017, 10:55:45 PM
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I was recommended to come to this place to have a reasonable discussion about SC, its development, opinions. I know this game is going down the tubes and I wanted to have reasonable discussions about the development and possible future and so forth. What I found was a wretched place full of immature, vile, and very toxic people including Derek Smart. You guys think you are better than those idiots on the reddit page Derek Smart, or many of the toxic people on the star citizen reddit, when in reality you are no better than at all, at best you guys are exactly just like them, if not worse than they are. I have been reading Derek's tweets lately and I cannot believe how many times I had to cringe because of the obvious lies and twisting of other people's words he has been doing.
So I am done with this place, cannot stand the amount of immaturity, vileness, and pettiness that Derek and the rest of you have been doing. Please ban me, delete my account do what ever, I don't care. I am off to find a better place to have reasonable discussions with people who have not sunk into the vileness that you people have become.
I pity you people, to be filled with such hatred to get to the point of absurdity you people have sunk to is not healthy. It has consumed you way to much.
In fact I do not doubt this would get deleted because you know what I just said is the truth and it will hurt you. So go ahead ban me, I said my peace and I am out of here.
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You forgot to mention the most important part. You know, that Derek Smart was right.
And in case you hadn't noticed, it's his forum here. Now I don't get where you did see immature, vile, and very toxic people here, but we all here are convinced that Chris has turned Star Citizen in a scam by now, and that SC will go into history as the biggest failure in crowdfunding history. And that's what we're discussing. Reasonably too. And about that, reasonably Star Citizen has no future other than crashing as the train-wreck is already has become. Can't imagine why you think otherwise. Or find a forum where you can find the things you think this forum is lacking.
So, take care :wave:
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You forgot to mention the most important part. You know, that Derek Smart was right.
And in case you hadn't noticed, it's his forum here. Now I don't get where you did see immature, vile, and very toxic people here, but we all here are convinced that Chris has turned Star Citizen in a scam by now, and that SC will go into history as the biggest failure in crowdfunding history. And that's what we're discussing. Reasonably too. And about that, reasonably Star Citizen has no future other than crashing as the train-wreck is already has become. Can't imagine why you think otherwise. Or find a forum where you can find the things you think this forum is lacking.
So, take care :wave:
Agreed. I fail to see the "immaturity" SM is talking about. The only thing that comes close is dealing with Serenstupidity and his alts, but that shithead got what he deserved. Waaait...
Serenstupidity/Moeis: Banned 9-26
This guy: Joined 9-27
Hmm...
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LOL!! It's Serendipity again. Those guys just can't stay away.
I'm not even going to delete his post because it's hilarious just reading it. As anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes here, knows that's just pure nonsense he's spouting.
Ignore and move on. :laugh:
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They just can't quit you, can they?
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Nope. Gotta defend against the FUD army wherever they happen to be. :supaburn:
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I pretty much stopped reading after "I was recommended to come to this place...", when I first saw this post. I mean, WHO writes like this anymore? Looks more like a guy saying hello to a gay S&M community for the first time. And yes, obviously fake.
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... while I guarantee I'm not this serendipity person I'm sure I'll be accused of that as well...
You got it, ConfusedMonkeh/Serendipity/Moeis/Serviceman/teufelhunden. Hope you hid your tracks better this time, I'd hate to see you get banned and unable to fill the void in your life again. :laugh:
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He was more of a jester honestly - good for a few laughs but got old very fast. If the community here is predictable for you that's because you've already partaken numerous times in endless and pointless looping arguments. Even if you're not him, which is highly unlikely, good luck convincing anyone sane here that your "point" is valid. Farewell. :wave:
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I really don't know how you people don't see it either it is so obvious.
I really don't understand why people still fail to see the obvious; Star Citizen will never see the light of day. Anyone still thinking otherwise is, well, an idiot. The evidence by now is so overwhelming that even somebody who is blind, deaf and mute should burst into laughing when somebody says Star Citizen will succeed.
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Well, that's where you are wrong. We are not toxic. We are people who have decided - for ourselves - that we agree with Derek. No matter how good the intentions from Chris may have been, he fucked this one up. Again.
Now, some people believed Derek early on. Others took a bit longer. But nobody here thinks Chris will pull this off. We all think Chris has turned this into a scam. The whole forum is about that. Seeing another trick by Chris to keep the money coming in. Seeing on the Internet how people are gunning for Derek just because he voiced his opinion and then been made a target by Chris and his white knight cultist fanbois. There is no chance - zero - that this project will succeed and we all here are watching the drama unfold and seeing CIG go under. We are warning people for 2 years now this is turning into a disaster, and everyday we're proven right. That Chris has managed to stay afloat so long, is a surprise, but it's no sign that we're wrong, it's just delaying the inevitable.
There is no discussion if it can be done, because it can't. There is no discussion here if CIG wil crash - only when - because it will. It would be pointless to discuss otherwise.
We're not joyful about CIG crashing. We're not cheering for the not happening of Star Citizen. We are just fascinated by the scam Chris is running and the idiot backers who still fail to see that it never is going to happen. And yes, we do want to see Chris and his scroonies getting punished for their wrongdoings. He has had plenty of time and opportunity to fix this. Instead, he chose to play the big shot. Now he can take the full responsibility as the big shot too.
Just out of curiosity, what did you expect here?
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Well, that is selective quoting. Why didn't you quote me here (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.270) where I said:
Well, I do feel sorry for them, as for most staff at CIG. They are just people trying to earn a living. Not all of them are part of the scam that Chris is running. Probably some of them even don't know what is going on. So in that regard, I do not want to see CIG collapse. The human aspect remains that some 300 people will lose their jobs. But you didn't back Scam Shitizen to pay for other people's income. You want the game. And that's why this scam should stop.
Now, if you would care to actually read my quote, you'd see that I am talking there about the white knight cultist fanbois. The ones who downvoted everyting I typed on their Reddit because it wasn't in favor of Chris. The ones who were all over me when I started a new topic where I did say nothing but just pointed to a story on the Internet elsewhere. The ones who got me banned for a month because I didn't follow their narrative. The ones who started a Reddit about Derek where they are typing the most idiotic stuff. And that all started because Derek voiced his opinion and then Chris decided it was wise to kick Derek out of the project. Yes, I do want CIG to crash and burn so I can have my fun with and over those guys. And, I want it to be over. Every day that this scam continues, Chris is taking new money for people to pay refunders back and to keep this scam going. A scam that he and a couple of people very close to him are profiting the most of too. The sooner this stops, the better for all involved. That's something I have said before too, you might want to look it up.
This is a forum where objectively is being reported, documented and commented, all done by Derek. From there on, we discuss, speculate, wonder and laugh. We don't question Derek though, because there is no need to. He is right. Has been from the start and will be proven in the end.
But you decided to show your true colours in the end now have you? 'Cause I honestly knew anything coming from Derek would be complete nonsense does give you away. Man, you just can't help yourself now can you? You have to keep on trying and you do keep on coming back.
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Oh man, here we go again. Even now we go in circles. Never mind...
BTW, I didn't say you quoted me half, I just wanted to point out to another post I did expressing exactly what you accused me of of not doing.
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Serendipity clone. Regardless of who it is it is some character of the same ilk just here to troll for a while. I do wonder why if they are messed up and we are messed up why you are here. Just go away and write the whole affair off.
But that's not the truth. This Serendipity clone does have an agenda. :bahgawd: Just another pole smoker.
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There is nothing more to discuss here, she is creating accounts here on a daily basis, because she can't deal with the fact, that Derek Smart is right.
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Nah man, these people are right. I've been here a while but I don't post a lot because it's mostly childish crap, but there is enough fun links to follow. It's true that you guys jump on anyone with a slightly dissenting opinion and just paint them as a returning troll because I guess that's easier than actually discussing with them.
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That wou be true, if there was room to actually discuss something with them. But they only show up to make statements that Derek has been mispredicting, that we should give Chris the benefit of the doubt etc. We have discussed with them over and over and over and they just keep on coming back with the same point instead of actually discussing the points we come up with.
- "By these facts etc. Chris is running a scam"
- "But that is said by Derek and he is a failed developer, so therefore no, Chris is not scamming.
It's like we're a forum for atheists and people show up to discuss the existence of god. To expect a continuous discussion with us why god probably exists is just dumb. Yet still people show up and try to do that. Even after 90 pages when it should be very obvious what our stance is. Now, if somebody new would show up, read this whole forum and then try to discuss with new arguments, that I'd enjoy. But getting the same crap again, no thanks.
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Been lurking here for a bit
Really? So you were lurking up to the point whereby someone who is "totally not another Serendipity alt" decided to post the same usual tripe, then created an account the SAME day that he was banned?
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mainly because I like to get both sides of the story. I have to agree with many of the points on this though. I really don't know how you people don't see it either it is so obvious. I guess you are all blinded by DS like you think others are blinded by CR. I feel there has been some good information but this community revolves around links and posts from Derek that he uses his own material as references. Not what I was expecting for a serious discussion about the issues with Star Citizen. Those trying to say Derek is right I'm guessing you forgot about all his wrong predictions. If he was right then Star Citizen would have been long forgotten by now.
There is no "side" here. We're not telling people what to do with their money. We're discussing an on-going train wreck. If you want sides, go to Reddit.
The hilarity of you actually concerned that I am using my own material - on my own website (what gave it away? the dereksmart.com?) - isn't lost on us you know.
Yeah, I was howling because you still aren't going a good job of hiding your tracks. You know, even if you re-position words and change statements, it's very easy to see that you're just spouting the SAME thing from your previous alts.
God, you guys are so predictable. The fact that you think coming here is going to make a difference, just goes to show that you all DO care what I think and say. And that's part of being scared of the truth.
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Nah man, these people are right. I've been here a while but I don't post a lot because it's mostly childish crap, but there is enough fun links to follow. It's true that you guys jump on anyone with a slightly dissenting opinion and just paint them as a returning troll because I guess that's easier than actually discussing with them.
This isn't Reddit. We don't do witchhunts here. If this is how you feel, why do you keep posting here? Surely there's nothing in it for you. Or is there?
If you were actually paying attention, you would see a LOT of dissenting opinions being expressed here. This isn't a hug box. It just so happens that most of the people here, share a common mindset about the game: that it's an unmitigated disaster. And that's no different from the backers on the official Reddit, who feel otherwise. So why not go be amongst them? I am sure that you are, so maybe just stay there?
Nobody cares what you think of the people here. You can still read this forum without having to post. So don't post. Nobody asked you to create an account. If I wanted to keep this an exclusive club and/or hug box, I wouldn't allow guests to browse the forum.
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I'm not Serendipity
Of course, you're not. :allears:
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I'm not Serendipity
Of course, you're not :allears:
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◔_◔ Can't mods look at our IPs or something? Edit: This thread is on /r/DS, that's where I saw it.
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◔_◔ Can't mods look at our IPs or something? Edit: This thread is on /r/DS, that's where I saw it.
Are you admitting that you're one of the r/DS guys?
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◔_◔ Can't mods look at our IPs or something?
IPs can easily be spoofed via proxies or VPN or changed dynamically by your ISP. IP tracking of alt accounts is hard unless you slip up (like jesterdipity).
While I will not jump the gun this time around and brand you to be the ever persistent jester that brought nothing new and relevant to the table I will call you out on doing mostly the same. That is - deflecting one argument (which might not be a 100% proven fact) for the sake of another without actually proving it 100% wrong. My final opinion on this whole debacle is that neither side can "win" with "facts" - yet. It's up to your level of critical thinking to decide on whose opinions you consider truthful.
If you think the project is doing great and no amount of red flags will convince you otherwise, then please do the smart move, and go discuss how adding diarrhoea in SC/SQ42 is a good thing because - fidelity (obviously sarcasm, but I've seen some batshit crazy ideas being discussed on the other side). If you do it here you'd find scarcely anyone interested to engage seriously in this conversation but you're welcome to try - as long as you don't break forum rules and don't try to keep running with alt accounts once you do.
There are 2 things whose outcome can tip the scales in this stalemate:
- CIG releases 3.0
- CIG opens their financial books
Obviously if 3.0 has stellar quality and all the promised features from last year it will deal a heavy blow on our stance. Furthermore, if CIG really has nothing to hide regarding their finances, the easiest thing they could do is to do what they actually promised! If they do both we'll really have to bite our tongues and rest assured that the "FUD" campaign will grind to a halt. Until then we reserve our right to trust our insincts - based on personal and historical experience - and say that this project is FUBAR.
TL;DR - You simply can't dismantle 90% of the statements passed around here. Many have tried and got nowhere. Unless CIG does something miracilous (Hail Mary/Jesus level event) to prove you guys right.
Farewell :wave:
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This isn't Reddit. We don't do witchhunts here. If this is how you feel, why do you keep posting here? Surely there's nothing in it for you. Or is there?
If you were actually paying attention, you would see a LOT of dissenting opinions being expressed here. This isn't a hug box. It just so happens that most of the people here, share a common mindset about the game: that it's an unmitigated disaster. And that's no different from the backers on the official Reddit, who feel otherwise. So why not go be amongst them? I am sure that you are, so maybe just stay there?
Nobody cares what you think of the people here. You can still read this forum without having to post. So don't post. Nobody asked you to create an account. If I wanted to keep this an exclusive club and/or hug box, I wouldn't allow guests to browse the forum.
You can read in my post right there why I'm still here. There are several good threads that sometimes have interesting information and I post in those ones. I also literally read every single thread, but generally don't post if I don't find there to be something interesting to talk about at that moment. I mean, my post history is pretty clear about this. And directly in this post you are implying that dissenting opinions should be quiet. I have a dissenting opinion about the tone of this forum, so you tell me not to post.
The whole point of a forum is discussion, so that's what I'm going to do, when I feel like it. I have made a singular post about this topic, in a thread ABOUT this topic, and you're already telling me to leave. And I think accusing me of actually being a supportive backer on Reddit? (not clear on that)
If people don't care about my opinion, they are completely free to ignore it, I promise I won't be upset. So to reiterate: I like a good amount of the stuff here, and I simply ignore the stuff that I don't like. This is the only time I brought up my opinion about the tone, since it's a thread about it. Hopefully that's satisfactory.
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All you have done here is convince me that Derek is not so Smart and can't even form a coherent argument. Keep spreading your stupid lies and fume with jealous outrage as better developers produce better games than you could in your wildest dreams.
The whole reason you guys get banned is that instead of discussing Star Citizen you all (Serendipity in particular) troll Derek instead.
If you want to do that sort of thing then don't act surprised when you get banned from his own forums.
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Guys, stop feeding the trolls. Dont argue with them. It's a waste of time. "The Moon is made from Cheese" OK whatever dude. That's all. We can enshrine their remarks in a hall of shame later on.
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The thing is, they have been given their so desperately wanted and needed 3.0 build. And now they have played with it for the whole 20 minutes that's it's worth, they have to wait on the 3.1 build again. So, they (he...) come(s) here. Again. And again. And again. But they (he) just don't (doesn't) want to say "Sorry for trolling all this time guys, but yes, Derek was right". Ah well, that moment will be upon us soon. Not that I expect them to actually admitting publicly that Derek was right when that moment arrives; they just don't have the balls for that.
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They will admit nothing, even when it shuts down. Then there will be endless chat rooms trying to keep the faith alive.
CIG has Come
Cig Has Died
CIG will Come Again
Sorry, not trying to offend Catholics, if it fits so they will adopt it.
Then if no publisher will take on the project for resurrection ( why take on a failure, especially if Robbers insists that he goes along with the game to supervise its completion) The backers will try and collect money and give it to Robbers to try and induce him to hire a few people to keep making progress.
With diminishing income and a shrinking player base it can't last. This genre only appeals to so many players. Many cultists believe it could grow like COD or GTA5 but the shooter part of the game sucks Moose cock and Robbers simply can't design novel gameplay or pen a good story or interesting dialogue.
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What witch-hunt?
If you post a mean message on RSI forums, your message gets deleted, you get suspended for 2 days, or outright ban.
Here, the discussion go on and on.
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Guys, stop feeding the trolls. Dont argue with them. It's a waste of time. "The Moon is made from Cheese" OK whatever dude. That's all. We can enshrine their remarks in a hall of shame later on.
If you suspect someone of trolling, is an alt etc, maybe don't quote them because if/when they are banned, ALL their posts get removed automatically. That means yours too.