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Re: Star Citizen Citizenship
« Reply #2190 on: January 24, 2020, 02:46:30 PM »

The "Stats Page", as described by Disco Lando.

That was very good, SC can really offer almost unlimited memes.

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« Reply #2191 on: January 26, 2020, 08:04:17 AM »
The fallout from the gutted roadmap is hilarious, people are pissed.

Then you get gems like this:
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"This is my personal opinion, based on ~8 years of following this projects development.

I think people should stop focusing on what they're telling us, and focus on what they're not telling.
They're hiding tons of content on SQ42, I honestly doubt the road-map actually represents the reality of their progress.
They've always said that they want to keep SQ42 under wraps for as long as possible, and that includes publicly announcing features and progress.
I think the fact that we only got a SQ42 visual trailer instead of more story and gameplay shows that they don't want to unveil much more before the actual release. "

The reason it was a visual trailer is.because that is all they have to show.

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« Reply #2192 on: January 27, 2020, 12:50:28 PM »
The fallout from the gutted roadmap is hilarious, people are pissed.

Then you get gems like this:
The reason it was a visual trailer is.because that is all they have to show.

Well, reminds me on some stuff i read about doomsday cults, who only became more and more pious the more often their prediction of the date failed. Investment and the inability to admit failure of bigger investments really can be a bitch.

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« Reply #2193 on: February 06, 2020, 04:19:26 AM »
The shillizens and shitizens and most likely avid backers who love to blow their collective wads in their pants is push the "fact" that CIG has raised over 267 million USD to "develop" Star Citizen and Squadron 42. Not to mention they just love to shit on it's competitor Frontier Developments and Elite Dangerous for falling behind.

 I just looked at Frontier Developments' financial report and a few staggering figures just leapt out at me and just made my jaw drop.

In the financial years May 2018 to November 2019 Frontier have made £190 million pounds or $246 million USD. In only 18 months?! What in the actual fuck are CIG backers boasting about when this just fucking dwarfs CIG's 8 year total revenue?!

Oh yeah, Elite Dangerous basic has sold over 5 million units too. Against 2.5 million "backers", there's very little to boast about.

3.8.1 and it's latest update also appears to be an utter broken mess as of late with 30K errors and failure to launch the game spear heading the shit list of things to fix. But hey, the Carrack is coming this month . . . Maybe.

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« Reply #2194 on: February 06, 2020, 10:36:32 AM »
The shillizens and shitizens and most likely avid backers who love to blow their collective wads in their pants is push the "fact" that CIG has raised over 267 million USD to "develop" Star Citizen and Squadron 42. Not to mention they just love to shit on it's competitor Frontier Developments and Elite Dangerous for falling behind.

 I just looked at Frontier Developments' financial report and a few staggering figures just leapt out at me and just made my jaw drop.

In the financial years May 2018 to November 2019 Frontier have made £190 million pounds or $246 million USD. In only 18 months?! What in the actual fuck are CIG backers boasting about when this just fucking dwarfs CIG's 8 year total revenue?!

Oh yeah, Elite Dangerous basic has sold over 5 million units too. Against 2.5 million "backers", there's very little to boast about.

3.8.1 and it's latest update also appears to be an utter broken mess as of late with 30K errors and failure to launch the game spear heading the shit list of things to fix. But hey, the Carrack is coming this month . . . Maybe.

Ah the carrack. Another specialist ship released missing its specialist gameplay. Its just adding to the technical debt even releasing it.
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« Reply #2195 on: February 06, 2020, 03:28:40 PM »
And I can't wait for backers to try and park their Pieces in the hanger bay only for the landing gear to simply touch the floor and the physics grid and the Pieces to go absolutely physics defying ape shit.

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« Reply #2196 on: March 11, 2020, 12:28:44 AM »

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« Reply #2197 on: March 11, 2020, 03:41:14 PM »
Doing the Lord's work, Derek  :grin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/fge9nm/how_did_you_find_star_citizen

This Reddit OP did a little research and in two weeks becomes a Concierge memeber. He's frustrated about feature changes and delays and the experience and scope this project could bring one day. And for all of this he would like to thank Derek - and no doubt spite -  in person for blowing over $1,000 on a broken, 1/3 finished, scandal ridden, mismanaged, overbudgeted and way overdue project.

For without Derek he may not have bothered to resesearch anything about this project. I hope he does meet Derek for when Derek laughs at him.

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« Reply #2198 on: April 01, 2020, 12:05:27 PM »
Doing the Lord's work, Derek  :grin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/fge9nm/how_did_you_find_star_citizen

LOL!! Good one :)

ps: Hey man, sorry for the late response. For some reason I wasn't getting notifications from TapaTalk. So I just assumed we'd all moved on since we determined that Star Citizen was over and done with.
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #2199 on: April 01, 2020, 12:06:33 PM »
This Reddit OP did a little research and in two weeks becomes a Concierge memeber. He's frustrated about feature changes and delays and the experience and scope this project could bring one day. And for all of this he would like to thank Derek - and no doubt spite -  in person for blowing over $1,000 on a broken, 1/3 finished, scandal ridden, mismanaged, overbudgeted and way overdue project.

For without Derek he may not have bothered to resesearch anything about this project. I hope he does meet Derek for when Derek laughs at him.

Jeez man, did you have to ruin the moment?  :emot-laugh:
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #2200 on: April 01, 2020, 02:05:43 PM »
LOL!! Good one :)

ps: Hey man, sorry for the late response. For some reason I wasn't getting notifications from TapaTalk. So I just assumed we'd all moved on since we determined that Star Citizen was over and done with.

Yeah, no worries, certainly not following it that much myself, until the next scandal or its eventual demise.

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« Reply #2201 on: April 17, 2020, 06:54:53 AM »
Oh, a word about that suspiciously vague "PVP Bounties" that suddenly appeared in the April 10th roadmap.

More scope.

Backers were understandable furious about new features being added, even as existing one remain broken amid a massive backlog of missing functionality.



Threads get locked, backers get banned and/or booted amid the most ridiculous explanation from CIG which is, in and of itself, more testament to the increased scope creep. Basically whatever generates money, gets thrown in.



Meanwhile, back at the ranch
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« Reply #2203 on: April 19, 2020, 05:27:38 AM »
Well, look at the response one of the devs gave when a backer asked about ToW. Basically, you can't ask about stuff like this - at all.

Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #2204 on: April 19, 2020, 05:35:00 AM »
I just copied and pasted this exchange which I had in another forum because I think it's informative

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I posted this awhile back in my social media feed. It’s rather interesting research study.

The Star Citizen Phenomenon & the “Ultimate Dream Management” Technique in Crowdfunding

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After seeing Derek’s research link… I’m really reaching here… but the SC situation reminds me of this (assuming they never intended this to be a scam from the beginning):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

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It’s a combination. I think what’s really fueled it this far is a rather toxic combination of Sunk Cost Fallacy and Cognitive Dissonance. That’s not to say that there aren’t sensible true believers who 1) really want the game 2) believe that Chris & co can make it. But the fact is that those aren’t the ones still throwing money at this because to assume that they’re “sensible” would lead one to believe that they’re not dumb enough to not see the signs of a major disaster in the making. Especially with the steep mountain of unimaginable scope creep, outright lies, project & financial mismanagement, unjust enrichment etc which had piled up since it was clear back in 2014 that this was a disaster unfolding in real-time.

I mean, the minute they released their very first public financials in Dec 2018, and it was clear that the project was insolvent, most backers didn’t even blink.

That’s not even the worst of it. When they started changing the ToS to strip back all the promises they had made - again - most backers didn’t even blink. As I wrote this blog :

"ToS v 1.2 in which they promised to issue refunds and provide financial accounting, was updated in June 2016. That revision removed several key rights that backers previously had. That being, refunds for non-delivery, financial accountability for the project, and not having to even deliver the project. Seriously."

Wait! This is what he told PC Invasion back in Sept 2014

"First of all, we always have a decent amount of money in reserve, so if all support would collapse, we would not suddenly be incapacitated. We plan the scope of the development based on what arrives monthly by the people to support. I’m not worried, because even if no money came in, we would have sufficient funds to complete Squadron 42. The revenue from this could in-turn be used for the completion of Star Citizen."

Amid all this, in Aug 2015, I had my corporate attorneys in CA, send them a legal demand letter. In it, I ask them 1) to issue refunds for those requesting it, 2) provide financial accounting for the project, and 3) provide an accurate schedule for the delivery of the product to backers. They declined. And their response contained not only defamatory statements, but also attempts at deflection, making patently false statements about me etc, all which had very little to do with the matter at hand.

As to the 3 items I asked for in the above letter, it just so happens that :

As to the 3 items I asked for in the above letter, it just so happens that :

- June 2016, they released a drastic ToS update which, as I outlined here, basically stripped ALL refunds, accountability etc

- Nov 2016, they released the very first public dev roadmap. And it looked like this

- Dec 2018, they released the very first public financial accounting (not audited; basically a brochure) which looked like this. And just like back in 2015 when I was told they had funding for about 90 days, sources again told me about this terrible financials before it was made public. That was back in May 2018 - the same month during which they got the $46M bailout money and which they didn’t disclose until Dec 2018.

Yet, with all of this going on and “sensible” backers being well aware of the consistent money cash grab (forget about JPEG sales, they sold plots of land fer crissakes - with no gameplay loop or functionality for it), lack of financial and development accountability, the whales kept giving them money. And even that wasn’t enough because they were - shockingly - spending more than they were raising, thus leading to the project’s insolvency. And of course, as we’ve been seen in the financials (mostly the UK ones), Chris, his brother, and everyone in the top echelon, kept taking money out of the project. I mean Chris built his brother a studio with backer money, then turned around and bought it back from him! Seriously, that happened.

So yeah, this phenom goes way beyond anything we know about Recourse Curse, Sunk Cost Fallacy, Cognitive Dissonance, or any of that. Then there’s the money laundering angle - which, believe it or not, continues to this day.
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Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

 

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