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DemonInvestor:

--- Quote from: dsmart on March 17, 2019, 06:02:24 AM ---Not sure what you're going on about. I was having a discussion with another party about the issue. I've written several threads about it. Can you be more specific?

https://twitter.com/OneAngryGamerHD/status/1106442607306178560
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/1092044744174247937
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091339359779999750.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091020563991142400.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1090613972607356928.html

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The twitter post in which you challenged ANYONE to give you a SINGLE credible reason (your ending argument of the first thread you linked).
Again there's quite some value for a business to get hold of tons of user/competitor data (e.g. on play times on certain titles to stock up ones own portofolio on similar titles). So that shouldn't be what you're asking for, now is it?

dsmart:

--- Quote from: DemonInvestor on March 17, 2019, 09:32:27 AM ---The twitter post in which you challenged ANYONE to give you a SINGLE credible reason (your ending argument of the first thread you linked).
Again there's quite some value for a business to get hold of tons of user/competitor data (e.g. on play times on certain titles to stock up ones own portofolio on similar titles). So that shouldn't be what you're asking for, now is it?

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You took the tweet out of context.

"Yeah, I remember that fiasco well. However, that's different in how they tracked down the user. Also, this is Epic we're talking about. I challenge ANYONE to give me a SINGLE credible reason why they have reason to believe that they would do anything with user data."

I was asking anyone to give me a credible reason why they think Epic would take user data and give to a third-party (Tencent). If you read the whole thread, you will understand why, because I go into more detail than just a single tweet.

dsmart:
A new Steam vs EGS thread (it's long)

DemonInvestor:

--- Quote from: dsmart on March 18, 2019, 04:56:56 AM ---You took the tweet out of context.

"Yeah, I remember that fiasco well. However, that's different in how they tracked down the user. Also, this is Epic we're talking about. I challenge ANYONE to give me a SINGLE credible reason why they have reason to believe that they would do anything with user data."

I was asking anyone to give me a credible reason why they think Epic would take user data and give to a third-party (Tencent). If you read the whole thread, you will understand why, because I go into more detail than just a single tweet.

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Marketing & Money - in the same way Facebook, Apple, Amazon and Co. are doing it.
Not to mention the whole merit in discussing EPICs stupid implementation is that EPIC will actually have to change their stupid implementation. So i cheer everyone discussing any fuck-up of a corporation. As that's the actual part of the invisible hand supposed to keep the free economy working. And that doesn't exclude Valve. And i think you're giving Valve quite some leeway, when you remember back in the days Valves biggest argument to use their service (for developers) was copy protection, which always was the holy cow for our lil' gaming tribe.

Other than that - the whole digital market place with its service providers is nonsensical in terms of effeciency. As there's literally no additional value in yet another market place service provider. But let them battle eitherway - as long as we don't get another Bethesda Launcher -_-

tuberchimpy:
Epic are throwing money at trying to buy an installed userbase for the Epic store. One of the mains grips that people have with EGS, yet another installer, is the very reason that Epic are buying the exclusives.  A Tim Sweeny tweet from an article in the Derek thread linked above.

"I understand your sentiment and the convenience factor of a single store, but Epic is absolutely committed to this path. Exclusives are by the far the most potent tool for our 88% revenue share making inroads against 70% stores."
— Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic) March 16, 2019

Let's assume Tim Sweeny knows what the fuck he's talking about, and probably has all sorts of expensive paid for data to make decisions from. He is saying that an 18% revenue difference is NOT enough to get gamers to install yet another store application onto their PCs. 18% is huge, for that games devs could split the difference with the buyers, and take 9% better prices for both parties. And yet 10%-18% cheaper prices for the end buyer is not enough to break the not another installer mentality. That's utterly crazy when you think about it.

Epic are paying through the nose to buy customers with the installed EGS on their PC.
A free game every 2 weeks. The value of these games tends to be $15-$20 on the store after the free period. At first I thought EGS would pay the devs maybe $3-$5 for each giveaway, but I'm starting to believe that EGS is probably paying full whack, e.g. $15-$20 ( minues the EGS 12%), whatever the normal price of the game is to the devs. My reasoning?
My understanding is that the Phoenix Point dev said he could afford to refund ALL of the crowdfunding backers out of the EGS exclusivity deal money, however many million that was? That is EGS paying that dev ( a second time ) for every presale already made before the announcement at full price. That is staggering.
Epic are spending an ABSOLUTE FORTUNE trying to buy an EGS installed userbase.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Epic straight up said sign up and we will credit your EGS with $100 which you can spend on anything you want in the EGS.
I've had every free game on offer on the EGS so far and I've paid for Satisfactory. I reckon I am probably about $100 up already.

The state of the EGS. Given how much Epic are giving you to install the EGS, do you think they will allow people to leave?
You don't spend hundreds of dollars per person to try and get people to sign up to something only to let them wander off, because the store is a bit crap in it's early days. I promise you that as crap as EGS is right now, it will evolve and develop at lightning speed. They are spending so much on buying customers they cannot let that invetment go to waste. Epic are probably spending a few million a month on pushing that storefront over the same hump steam went through. From "ewwww steam", to "cool steam". I wouldn't be surprised if the current EGS is a placeholder, like a html placeholder website, and behind the scenes they are building a behemoth.

You only have to make the supposition that Tim Sweeny is not an idiot, link that to the very visible amount of money they are putting into this, and the only logical conclusion is that the EGS is going to be a monster when it hits its full capabilities.


PS I should have asked this at the start sorry. Are we allowed to use the F word if we are not using it to insult someone? Sorry if the answer is no.

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