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« Reply #495 on: July 25, 2017, 07:53:30 AM »
Where else have they got the money to fund four studios and 300+ employees? People are getting paid. Where do you think the money for that has come from?

Obviously from whatever it is they are making each month, combined with whatever loans we don't know about. If you think that they need less than $3M per month to fund this project, when in fact the UK alone is using almost $25M of their yearly revenue, you're insane.

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So a publicly posted claim from the person who brokered the deal is somehow less believable than a totally unsupported proposition from a direct competitor

Yes. And?

My position doesn't have to be "supported". The FACT is that, in the absence of EVIDENCE to support his claims, said claims are no more credible than mine, or anyone else's who has been saying that the loan reeked of desperation, and is akin to a payday loan.

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who has stated he's trying 'burn them all down'

Actually, that's false. The "burn them down" is related to JPEGs of Shitizens who have been waging an Internet war of attrition against me. We even have a meme. Here, let me show it to you to jog your convenient memory.



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before staging a 2 year hate and harassment campaign?

That's also patently false. As much as you guys would love to re-write history, you just can't. The sequence of events are backed up by actual FACTS, which are not open to interpretation, hyperbole, or confusion.

- In July 2015 I wrote a blog saying they had over-scoped the project, and doomed it to failure
- The media propagated the blog, much to the ire of CIG and it's Shitizen backers
- CIG closed my account & refunded it
- CIG issued a statement lying about why they did the above
- Shitizens embarked on a war of attrition by proxy obo of CIG

You see, that's how the words FACT and EVIDENCE come into play.

And YOU guys are the ones engaged in a "hate and harassment" campaign against people, especially me (you all have an entire sub-Reddit dedicated to harassing and attacking me), who are writing bad stuff about a fucking video game. Yet you're all completely shocked that the end result is that the Star Citizen community has the WORST rep thus far in gaming. And for those reasons, even those who have nothing invested in the project, would like nothing more than to see the project fail (it will, there is not debating this) so they can laugh at you guys.

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« Reply #496 on: July 25, 2017, 01:52:44 PM »
Where else have they got the money to fund four studios and 300+ employees? People are getting paid. Where do you think the money for that has come from?

Obviously from whatever it is they are making each month, combined with whatever loans we don't know about. If you think that they need less than $3M per month to fund this project, when in fact the UK alone is using almost $25M of their yearly revenue, you're insane.

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So a publicly posted claim from the person who brokered the deal is somehow less believable than a totally unsupported proposition from a direct competitor

Yes. And?

My position doesn't have to be "supported". The FACT is that, in the absence of EVIDENCE to support his claims, said claims are no more credible than mine, or anyone else's who has been saying that the loan reeked of desperation, and is akin to a payday loan.

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who has stated he's trying 'burn them all down'

Actually, that's false. The "burn them down" is related to JPEGs of Shitizens who have been waging an Internet war of attrition against me. We even have a meme. Here, let me show it to you to jog your convenient memory.



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before staging a 2 year hate and harassment campaign?

That's also patently false. As much as you guys would love to re-write history, you just can't. The sequence of events are backed up by actual FACTS, which are not open to interpretation, hyperbole, or confusion.

- In July 2015 I wrote a blog saying they had over-scoped the project, and doomed it to failure
- The media propagated the blog, much to the ire of CIG and it's Shitizen backers
- CIG closed my account & refunded it
- CIG issued a statement lying about why they did the above
- Shitizens embarked on a war of attrition by proxy obo of CIG

You see, that's how the words FACT and EVIDENCE come into play.

And YOU guys are the ones engaged in a "hate and harassment" campaign against people, especially me (you all have an entire sub-Reddit dedicated to harassing and attacking me), who are writing bad stuff about a fucking video game. Yet you're all completely shocked that the end result is that the Star Citizen community has the WORST rep thus far in gaming. And for those reasons, even those who have nothing invested in the project, would like nothing more than to see the project fail (it will, there is not debating this) so they can laugh at you guys.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/889863127264894977

The guy questioned if they have the money they say they do. It's obvious they must be burning through a few million a month, you won't find me arguing that. It's obvious. But let's take your proposition that they have accumulated, what was it from your sources, 228 million in total, how many months does that give them?

If they haven't got that much but managed to invest well with their early, low overhead, HUGE profit, early couple of years, how many months is that? Can't know that one unfortunately.

About who's word I believe, well that's up to me.

I was not far off with my 'burn...' quote. But here is some evidence and a fact. https://archive.is/Co3Fz



I just read your first blog. Around half of it was you talking about your own games, with comparisons. They refunded you for using their game to promote yours. Not using their platforms, it doesn't matter if you used the forum or whatever.

I don't appreciate you addressing me as some sort of group either, to be honest. I'm just a bloke. I'm not harrasing anyone. I'm not on twitter. Facebook is so my aging mother can see photos of her granddaughter and Star Citizen is just a video game.

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« Reply #497 on: July 25, 2017, 02:25:46 PM »
The guy questioned if they have the money they say they do. It's obvious they must be burning through a few million a month, you won't find me arguing that. It's obvious. But let's take your proposition that they have accumulated, what was it from your sources, 228 million in total, how many months does that give them?

If they haven't got that much but managed to invest well with their early, low overhead, HUGE profit, early couple of years, how many months is that? Can't know that one unfortunately.

That's not how math works. Just because they've raised a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of it left. The yearly financials for F42-UK are evidence of that.

And you don't know anything about investments or lack thereof. You're just injecting wishful thinking to make yourself feel good about it, and to justify your argument. The fact is that they're not big enough to have money to spare in investments. Heck, they don't even own any of the buildings the studios are in. Instead, they are paying high rent in their respective locations.

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About who's word I believe, well that's up to me.

Yeah, but nobody cares what you believe, you see. We all believe what we want to believe, and offer the opinions that we want.

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I was not far off with my 'burn...' quote. But here is some evidence and a fact. https://archive.is/Co3Fz

No, you are not even close because you were misinterpreting it to mean that it was directed at CIG, when clearly it wasn't. I even posted a meme that uses the same text. The image you posted is also clearly indicative of this. But yet, here you are.

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I just read your first blog. Around half of it was you talking about your own games, with comparisons.

Yes, and? Why would you ask a carpenter to write about brain surgery?

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They refunded you for using their game to promote yours. Not using their platforms, it doesn't matter if you used the forum or whatever.

As hilarious and ludicrous as that sounds, you actually put that in writing.

What do you think would happen if each time someone posted a review of a product, the company went back and yanked their product from the customer? e.g. what do you think would happen if you bought a game on Steam, wrote a bad review, then the publisher invalidated your Steam key?

Why didn't Frontier cancel my account and refund my money? I did mention them in the same article as an example. Why didn't CryTek invalidate my CryEngine license (yes, like UE4, I have it - free, back before they even started distributing to the public) license for my writing about how it is inadequate for the game?

The notion that I can't write and use my own tech and products to explain my position as to WHY they couldn't possibly build that game - even LoD isn't even a competitor (shockingly, you missed that part) due to them being different games - is the most hilarious part of your argument. And that a company has every right to refund my money because I wrote a dissenting opinion, why using my own experiences to outline why I believe that I am right and that the project could NEVER be made a was pitched.

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I don't appreciate you addressing me as some sort of group either, to be honest. I'm just a bloke. I'm not harrasing anyone. I'm not on twitter. Facebook is so my aging mother can see photos of her granddaughter and Star Citizen is just a video game.

I don't care if you were a one eyed Elf living in Ireland. Your writings exhibit all the traits of the guys parked on Reddit writing the same nonsensical drivel. Plus, you were the first to start throwing around "hate" and "harassment" accusations. Now you want to cry foul? Cry me a river.

Stick to discussions without the attack innuendos, and you won't have to deal with comparisons. A lot of people don't post here. From the metrics, more people read, rather than post. So it's not like there's so much crap that's going to get lost in translation. People come here for meaningful discussions, regardless of opinions. But in your case (and some others, long since banned), the longer it goes on for, the more you are challenged, the more likely you are to go off the deep end. And you're already teetering.
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #498 on: July 25, 2017, 02:37:39 PM »
Nicholas over at SA, finally got his analysis up. I have updated my post with it.

Just watch, as soon as the sale is over, that 08/25 date which hasn't changed for two weeks now, will automagically change. And BOOM!! we're in Sept.

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« Reply #499 on: July 25, 2017, 03:31:21 PM »
They can close your account for any reason they like. They don't even need a reason. You don't own a thing other than a license to use digital assets in a video game that remain the property of CIG at all times.

I thought you'd read the ToS/EULA.
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« Reply #500 on: July 25, 2017, 03:37:57 PM »
I don't care if you were a one eyed Elf living in Ireland.

Oh, but I would. I'd pop over in a minute to see that  :woop:

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« Reply #501 on: July 25, 2017, 04:06:42 PM »
They can close your account for any reason they like. They don't even need a reason. You don't own a thing other than a license to use digital assets in a video game that remain the property of CIG at all times.

I thought you'd read the ToS/EULA.

And who is disputing any of that? YOU are the one who brought up a reason that was nonsensical.

They probably didn't read their own ToS either? Otherwise, why did they feel the need to issue a press statement, giving a reason (a flimsy one at that) for refunding me?
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« Reply #502 on: July 25, 2017, 06:24:33 PM »
Well, don't say I didn't do anything for you all. So the Star Citizen sub-Reddit has "discovered" Freedom Of Speech.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6pkluc/meta_rule_change_restricted_avocado_posts/

I wrote about that Evocati nonsense back in April 2016 "Star Citizen The Extinction Level Event"
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« Reply #503 on: July 26, 2017, 12:53:38 AM »
They can close your account for any reason they like. They don't even need a reason. You don't own a thing other than a license to use digital assets in a video game that remain the property of CIG at all times.

I thought you'd read the ToS/EULA.

And who is disputing any of that? YOU are the one who brought up a reason that was nonsensical.

They probably didn't read their own ToS either? Otherwise, why did they feel the need to issue a press statement, giving a reason (a flimsy one at that) for refunding me?

Do you have a link to a press statement or are we talking about Ben's forum post where he explains their 'non sensical reason' as to why you were refunded?
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« Reply #504 on: July 26, 2017, 04:56:27 AM »
The guy questioned if they have the money they say they do. It's obvious they must be burning through a few million a month, you won't find me arguing that. It's obvious. But let's take your proposition that they have accumulated, what was it from your sources, 228 million in total, how many months does that give them?

If they haven't got that much but managed to invest well with their early, low overhead, HUGE profit, early couple of years, how many months is that? Can't know that one unfortunately.

That's not how math works. Just because they've raised a lot of money, doesn't mean they have a lot of it left. The yearly financials for F42-UK are evidence of that.

And you don't know anything about investments or lack thereof. You're just injecting wishful thinking to make yourself feel good about it, and to justify your argument. The fact is that they're not big enough to have money to spare in investments. Heck, they don't even own any of the buildings the studios are in. Instead, they are paying high rent in their respective locations.

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About who's word I believe, well that's up to me.

Yeah, but nobody cares what you believe, you see. We all believe what we want to believe, and offer the opinions that we want.

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I was not far off with my 'burn...' quote. But here is some evidence and a fact. https://archive.is/Co3Fz

No, you are not even close because you were misinterpreting it to mean that it was directed at CIG, when clearly it wasn't. I even posted a meme that uses the same text. The image you posted is also clearly indicative of this. But yet, here you are.

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I just read your first blog. Around half of it was you talking about your own games, with comparisons.

Yes, and? Why would you ask a carpenter to write about brain surgery?

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They refunded you for using their game to promote yours. Not using their platforms, it doesn't matter if you used the forum or whatever.

As hilarious and ludicrous as that sounds, you actually put that in writing.

What do you think would happen if each time someone posted a review of a product, the company went back and yanked their product from the customer? e.g. what do you think would happen if you bought a game on Steam, wrote a bad review, then the publisher invalidated your Steam key?

Why didn't Frontier cancel my account and refund my money? I did mention them in the same article as an example. Why didn't CryTek invalidate my CryEngine license (yes, like UE4, I have it - free, back before they even started distributing to the public) license for my writing about how it is inadequate for the game?

The notion that I can't write and use my own tech and products to explain my position as to WHY they couldn't possibly build that game - even LoD isn't even a competitor (shockingly, you missed that part) due to them being different games - is the most hilarious part of your argument. And that a company has every right to refund my money because I wrote a dissenting opinion, why using my own experiences to outline why I believe that I am right and that the project could NEVER be made a was pitched.

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I don't appreciate you addressing me as some sort of group either, to be honest. I'm just a bloke. I'm not harrasing anyone. I'm not on twitter. Facebook is so my aging mother can see photos of her granddaughter and Star Citizen is just a video game.

I don't care if you were a one eyed Elf living in Ireland. Your writings exhibit all the traits of the guys parked on Reddit writing the same nonsensical drivel. Plus, you were the first to start throwing around "hate" and "harassment" accusations. Now you want to cry foul? Cry me a river.

Stick to discussions without the attack innuendos, and you won't have to deal with comparisons. A lot of people don't post here. From the metrics, more people read, rather than post. So it's not like there's so much crap that's going to get lost in translation. People come here for meaningful discussions, regardless of opinions. But in your case (and some others, long since banned), the longer it goes on for, the more you are challenged, the more likely you are to go off the deep end. And you're already teetering.

That is how mathematics works. F42 financials are not evidence of having no money left. They sent money from the US to F42. How does sending money equate to evidence of having none? That makes no sense at all.

You have to accept overheads in the first 2 years were low yet they still brought in 50+million. This means millions and millions of dollars in profit. That money doesn't just disappear.

If nobody cares what I think, why are you replying with multi quotes? Obviously you care, even if it's a tiny bit.

If you threaten to burn jpegs whilst referring to assets created and owned by CIG then the quote does relate to CIG. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

I mentioned hate and harassment because that, in my own opinion, is what you've been engaged in. How many tweets a week does it take before it's harassment? How many cease and desist letters does it take before it's harassnent? How vile do your accusations have to be before it's hate? Tickle porn and being an escort for Sandi. Incompetence and being a bastard for Chris. Sounds pretty hateful to me.

I notice you haven't tagged them or the company on twitter since you got that letter. You used to tag them all the time. I wonder why that is.

Not sure what I'm teetering over but ok. I shall endeavour to stabilise myself.
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« Reply #505 on: July 26, 2017, 08:33:09 AM »
A whole bunch of nattering between Serendipity and DSmart I'm not going to repost

I think you need to sit down for a minute and take a deep breath.

Allow me to quote something I wrote here, a while back: "If Derek Smart dropped dead tomorrow, it would not change the current status of CIG or SC."

There are ALWAYS going to be gadflies, and naysmiths, and critics. If you can't take a little bloody nose, go crawl back and hide under the bed. (/delancie)

The hard facts are that SC is behind schedule, it has taken in a ridiculous amount of money (comparable to an AAA title), and it has not been released. This is not up for question. It's indisputable.

And Chris Roberts's past is haunting him in this regard. People look back at Freelancer, and they wonder 'Was it just bad luck? Or does he know -- or worse, NOT know -- what he's doing?'.

And I liked Freelancer, mind you.

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« Reply #506 on: July 26, 2017, 10:24:46 AM »
A whole bunch of nattering between Serendipity and DSmart I'm not going to repost

I think you need to sit down for a minute and take a deep breath.

Allow me to quote something I wrote here, a while back: "If Derek Smart dropped dead tomorrow, it would not change the current status of CIG or SC."

There are ALWAYS going to be gadflies, and naysmiths, and critics. If you can't take a little bloody nose, go crawl back and hide under the bed. (/delancie)

The hard facts are that SC is behind schedule, it has taken in a ridiculous amount of money (comparable to an AAA title), and it has not been released. This is not up for question. It's indisputable.

And Chris Roberts's past is haunting him in this regard. People look back at Freelancer, and they wonder 'Was it just bad luck? Or does he know -- or worse, NOT know -- what he's doing?'.

And I liked Freelancer, mind you.

What was envisaged as possible for the game changed. A lot. From POIs on planets visited via a cut scene to full planetary bodies PGd. The level of funding was as much a surprise to CIG as anyone. They said they'd use the money to make a better game. The delay from the original time frame projection is nothing more than CIG sticking to their word.

Of course they could have hidden the pledge counter and produced the original, comparatively simple game, pocketed tens of millions of dollars and walked off whistling. They didn't. They saw the funding going astronomical and decided to spend it all on making the best game they could.

This is why 'delays' don't bother me. It means they're taking their time to try and create something special. This, to me, is a good thing. I'd much, much rather have something great in a couple of years than something mediocre mow. YMMV of course.

Can they do it? We don't know. Derek doesn't know. I don't know. You don't know. Chris doesn't know. But they're trying to do it. I'll be cheering them on all the way with an objective eye watching and learning as much as I can.

Maybe they'll get more money from me, maybe they won't. Can't wait to play 3.0 though, it's an exciting step toward, what might just be, an excellent gaming experience.

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« Reply #507 on: July 26, 2017, 10:56:07 AM »
O dear god, you must be joking  :vince:

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« Reply #508 on: July 26, 2017, 11:51:25 AM »
Why would I joke? Maybe I'm just different to you.

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« Reply #509 on: July 26, 2017, 12:19:18 PM »
Most likely, but you can't be that stupid. There is no positive defending anything anymore about CIG/CR/SC.

I honestly believe they started with good intentions and then the money came flooding in. So they started thinking bigger. And even more money came flooding in. And then they went overboard. Totally megalomaniac. And fucked everything up. And then came the problems. Oops, we can't do this. We don't have the technique and the skills and even if we did, the topmanagement is totally incompetent, but of course, they don't think so. So now what? Well, start blatantly lying about everything so that the money keeps coming in. And that's all. As long we have enough money, all the problems will go away eventually.

Of course, that didn't work. So now the money stops coming in and the problems are still there. No game because no technique and no skills and no more hiding. Everything wrong slowly becomes more clear. Every action makes it more obvious that it all is now on the verge of collapsing. They cannot build this game. Not just as promised, but not at all. The only thing they will deliver from now on will be disappointment after disappointment. Thus losing backers, thus losing income, thus generating more disappointments et cetera.

They're not taking the time to creating something special. They can't create what they promised and they can't go back. To tell they can't do it will be the immediate end of it all so they have to keep on going. There won't be something great in a couple of years. If this is all they have to show for so far, how in earth will that improve with another couple of years? Magic will start to be generally available by mid 2018?

If you still believe that this project can have a positive outcome than you're f-up the head beyond rescue. How can you see all that is happening and still think that something good is going to come out of it all? Why so desperately trying to see something that's so obvious not there?
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