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Alphaaeffchen

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Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« on: September 21, 2017, 05:46:33 AM »
Hello,

let me introduce myself. Im a 36 year old gamer from Germany. Usually i play only E-Sport titles and strategy games. My main game is starcraft 2. I got into starcitizen because i liked the wing commander games when i was younger and i wanted to get a game where i can really relax a little bit (playing starcraft multiplayer is really hard work.....). I cashed into starcitizen after i had read Dereks first blog about the game. I completly disagreed with his opinion and backed the game. Now i have to say that i mad a mistake. I followed all his blogs and i dont think evereything what he says is correct, but the main message that Starcitizen will fail is correct.

I play games for 30 years now. I started playing PC games when i was 6 years old. I know much about gaming and i have some knowledge about game development in general. I am still shocked that i backed a game like starcitizen and didnt saw this desaster coming. I dont know if they still have enough money to finish the game but what i see is really bad.

My main reasons for quitting the game are the following:

- Arena Commander is buggy and i dont like the controls. The flight model is not fun for me and the ships have strange animations. Oh and the game has the worst sound effects i ever heard in a space combat game.

- Star Marine is a big joke. Its full of bugs and the animations are total crap. Everey other modern first person shooter has better mechanics. It is not that hard to build at least a solid shooter today. But they fucked it up as usual.

- No signs of Sqadron 42 since Citizen Con 2015. I didnt see one gameplay video untill today.

- Nearly every presentation crashes or gets delayed. I have really no problem if there are sometimes technical problems. This also happened at Blizzcons. But CIG fucks up everey presentation with something. I see no progression when they are doing presentations. The worst one was Gamescon 2017. This was the worst presentation i have ever seen for a so called triple AAA game.

- 3.0 got delayed over 1 year. To me its clear that they didnt have a working 3.0 Version at 2016 and that Chris Roberts lied.

Im sorry Derrek that i first thought you wehre just trolling CIG but you are right in most of the points you mentoined in your blogs. The only thing Starctizen has is some visual fidelety. Thats it. Im happy that i got my refund of 450€ and that im out of this crap show.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 06:54:36 AM »
Dann mal herzlichen Glückwunsch und willkommen
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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 07:42:03 AM »
Welcome to the party - sit back and enjoy the show. There are many Lols to be had now that you haven't got money riding on this huge white elephant.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 10:41:49 AM »
Hi.

What was it that you didn't agree with Derek about in 2015 ?

It might help people understand how new people see the game even when faced with an experienced opinion that the project is doomed.

I am glad you got your Euros out before it collapses.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 11:15:32 AM »
What was it that you didn't agree with Derek about in 2015 ?

Doesn't really matter IMO. There are always people (usually people with specialist knowledge / experience / inside information) who see things coming when the rest of the world is busy group thinking the opposite conclusion. They are vilified and sneered at up to the moment they are proven right. This happens time and again - I can name several examples but it would take too long to explain. It's human nature to assume individual dissenters are wrong and the "expert" group opinion is right.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 12:31:58 PM »
What was it that you didn't agree with Derek about in 2015 ?

It might help people understand how new people see the game even when faced with an experienced opinion that the project is doomed.
The more interesting question for me: Did OP read the 2015 letter to Escapist by Chris Roberts thoroughly?

Because all reasons were already in there.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 04:05:26 PM »
Hello,

let me introduce myself. Im a 36 year old gamer from Germany. Usually i play only E-Sport titles and strategy games. My main game is starcraft 2. I got into starcitizen because i liked the wing commander games when i was younger and i wanted to get a game where i can really relax a little bit (playing starcraft multiplayer is really hard work.....). I cashed into starcitizen after i had read Dereks first blog about the game. I completly disagreed with his opinion and backed the game. Now i have to say that i mad a mistake. I followed all his blogs and i dont think evereything what he says is correct, but the main message that Starcitizen will fail is correct.

I play games for 30 years now. I started playing PC games when i was 6 years old. I know much about gaming and i have some knowledge about game development in general. I am still shocked that i backed a game like starcitizen and didnt saw this desaster coming. I dont know if they still have enough money to finish the game but what i see is really bad.

My main reasons for quitting the game are the following:

- Arena Commander is buggy and i dont like the controls. The flight model is not fun for me and the ships have strange animations. Oh and the game has the worst sound effects i ever heard in a space combat game.

- Star Marine is a big joke. Its full of bugs and the animations are total crap. Everey other modern first person shooter has better mechanics. It is not that hard to build at least a solid shooter today. But they fucked it up as usual.

- No signs of Sqadron 42 since Citizen Con 2015. I didnt see one gameplay video untill today.

- Nearly every presentation crashes or gets delayed. I have really no problem if there are sometimes technical problems. This also happened at Blizzcons. But CIG fucks up everey presentation with something. I see no progression when they are doing presentations. The worst one was Gamescon 2017. This was the worst presentation i have ever seen for a so called triple AAA game.

- 3.0 got delayed over 1 year. To me its clear that they didnt have a working 3.0 Version at 2016 and that Chris Roberts lied.

Im sorry Derrek that i first thought you wehre just trolling CIG but you are right in most of the points you mentoined in your blogs. The only thing Starctizen has is some visual fidelety. Thats it. Im happy that i got my refund of 450€ and that im out of this crap show.

Welcome to the forum. Your reasons a very valid, and are the same for many people.

Some people were quick to say that I was a hater, that I wanted to see the project fail etc; despite the fact that I have CLEARLY documented WHY I felt they simply could NOT build the game they promised. But of course, because I'm just an indie dev, and not some bit developer or publisher, those guys were just quick to attack me. Forgetting that the reason that I am 100% QUALIFIED to make such an assessment is because, to date, I'm only living developer who has ever attempted a game of such scope, and managed to actually DO IT.

Though the Battlecruiser/Universal Combat games didn't have FPS inside stations and capital ships - that's the ONLY feature missing from those games. In fact, that's why I released the 2009 game on Steam back in 2015, did a patch for it. Then when I got a massive response, I decided to improve on it via DLC (as I mentioned in my latest dev update, I plan on doing 4 of them) instead of spending a lot of money and time on a full blown sequel.

I backed Star Citizen because I felt that with their money and ability to hire top talent, that they could pull off the BC/UC type of simulation games, at a high production quality and visual fidelity. Then Croberts lost his mind, and subsequently killed the project.
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 02:53:45 AM »
@ StanTheMan

Sure i can tell you wehere i disagreed with Dereks opinions in his first blog. Well i thought that it was too early to jugde about the game because i think they needed more time. Also i thought that they would finish sqauadron 42 in 2016.

Also im still waiting for a real proof if they are in financial trouble. There are rumors that they are in financial trouble, but i dont see a real proof. I know about personal leaving and the credit they took.... But for me this is not enough to show if they are in financial trouble. I disagree that they sell JPEG ships because they bring the ships into the game they sell. I know it takes time but they are really working hard to implement the ships in the game.

My mistake was that i believed in the gamescon presentation from 2015. Where they showed the multicrew ships the first time. It was very impressive for me. I didnt believed that this presentation was only smoke and mirrors.......

I never played any triple AAA game which had such a bad gameplay. Even X-Wing in the old days had a better flight mechanic. The gameplay of starcitizen is horrible. This is the main Problem the game has.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 03:53:57 AM »
Also i thought that they would finish sqauadron 42 in 2016.
Before or after watching the Morrow Tour?

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2017, 04:36:44 AM »
@Backer42

What was the Morrow tour again?

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2017, 04:50:58 AM »
What was the Morrow tour again?

The last smoke and mirrors life sign of Squadron 42:


That was two years ago, one year past the supposed release date of 2014.

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2017, 04:59:10 AM »
@Backer 42

Ahh thx. Yes i watched it. The presentation was ok for me and promising. It was a bit naive from me to believe in it because we never so any real gameplay footage from squadron 42....

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Re: Why i quit Starcitizen and got my Refund yesterday
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2017, 05:10:13 AM »
Yes i watched it. The presentation was ok for me and promising. It was a bit naive from me to believe in it because we never so any real gameplay footage from squadron 42....
After seeing that train-wreck of a demonstration I immediately knew the 2016 date shown in the trailer before that "live demo" was a lie and I filed my refund. I know how AAA products look months before release and this was like "We just started, one year past the due date". Also I didn't back for having Chris' wife as a superior in my video game.

 

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