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« Reply #345 on: November 09, 2018, 09:57:20 AM »
It's not as if the ROberts family will give up their Two Million dollar a year collective salary for mismanaging this dumpster fire. All they need to do is show minimal progress, sell a few concept ships and keep these idiots believing and funding for another year for that money.

They dont need to actually turn out a game, backers wont hold them to that standard. They just need to keep their hopes from being dashed to collect several million dollars in compensation every year, plus whatever other things they get like corporate flights, fancy car leases, housing allowance, health care, security, clothing allotments for the Mrs, possible plastic surgery, and the chance to buy his skanky wife a spot in a b movie.

I'm sure they are busy setting themselves up in the next venture that is waiting in the wings. Be that Mocap, B movies ect.

Star Citizen Squadron 42, The Movie!
Trying to pitch the ministries to HBO, I wouldnt put it past him.

Yes and justifying it to themselves is relatively easy by thinking about the number of jobs it is paying for.
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« Reply #346 on: November 09, 2018, 12:26:32 PM »
I believe his salary was shown in a tax filing possibly both of theirs. Regardless, it was out there some time ago.
We know his brother makes over 250K a year.

Yes, it's in the F42-UK filings. And he has increased his salary and pension each year. In 2017 he doubled his pension contribution.

Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #347 on: November 14, 2018, 05:23:59 PM »
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #348 on: November 15, 2018, 09:36:13 PM »
My latest musings on Lorville in 3.3.5

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1062830508827205632.html


Great write finally got time to go back through all the videos linked.

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« Reply #349 on: November 17, 2018, 08:34:38 AM »
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #350 on: November 20, 2018, 09:23:03 PM »
Enjoyed reading the rant. So CR had long passed the point of making a responsible change or creation of an engine to make something work, instead of the ponzi scam of year after year of cry-lumber level demos with art texture glut and trailer ads. He can't make or announce the changes needed now as that would be tantamount to publicly admitting how they were screwing around all along siphoning the brainwashed then the DS-spite whales, 7 years and $200 million wasted later.
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« Reply #351 on: November 21, 2018, 07:30:34 AM »
Enjoyed reading the rant. So CR had long passed the point of making a responsible change or creation of an engine to make something work, instead of the ponzi scam of year after year of cry-lumber level demos with art texture glut and trailer ads. He can't make or announce the changes needed now as that would be tantamount to publicly admitting how they were screwing around all along siphoning the brainwashed then the DS-spite whales, 7 years and $200 million wasted later.

He's never going to admit to anything. When this whole thing finally collapses (I remain 100% certain that it will, before any product is delivered), he will just lament the fact that the tech couldn't catch up or some nonsense like that.
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #352 on: November 21, 2018, 12:07:36 PM »
He's never going to admit to anything. When this whole thing finally collapses (I remain 100% certain that it will, before any product is delivered), he will just lament the fact that the tech couldn't catch up or some nonsense like that.


Then again one could argue that when you are trying to make game you sold beforehand itís probably not the best design choice to go for things that are not yet technically possible? If your purpose was never to actually release anything because someone talked so much out of their ass that anything you make can never live up to the expectations.

Itís then easier to make just pretty screenshot software and sell beautiful spaceships and images of them.

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« Reply #353 on: November 21, 2018, 12:30:17 PM »

Then again one could argue that when you are trying to make game you sold beforehand itís probably not the best design choice to go for things that are not yet technically possible? If your purpose was never to actually release anything because someone talked so much out of their ass that anything you make can never live up to the expectations.

Itís then easier to make just pretty screenshot software and sell beautiful spaceships and images of them.

Well yeah, there's that. :emot-lol:
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« Reply #354 on: November 21, 2018, 05:02:11 PM »
Looks like Croberts had a successful pop career in the 70's



I give you ...

Have sun In Your Heart.

https://genius.com/Chris-roberts-hab-sonne-im-herzen-lyrics

I can't find anything relating to space
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« Reply #355 on: November 23, 2018, 06:19:10 AM »
I made this effort post in another forum. I am posting it here for bookmarking

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I had been noodling about the ďclients within close proximityĒ aspect as well. Iíve not been able yet to understand how that would degrade a given programís performance due (I hope) mainly to my ignorance of software (game engine specifically) functionality in this case.

But from a macro viewpoint, I would assume that if having multiple clients in close proximity does degrade performance in an MMO, then it should follow that increasing the game space available should spread out those clients and, therefor, improve performance (albeit artificially)?

Could the performance improvements that I am quite sure I have observed recently be just due to the increased size of the ďplay areaĒ recently introduce in SC and therefor be the result of the decreased ďdensityĒ of other clients?

If the 50 client max per virtual server instance is still correct, and the area of play has increased, then my proximity to other clients should be reduced, right? And from experience I can definitely say I do encounter fewer PCs in SC now (while the number of NPS has increased).

Sorry if I ramble on! This is all very interesting to me.

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NONE of the above. And itís far too technical to explain to a layman. Here is a brief overview which I hope helps.

Having 8 clients within proximity inside a box, is less process (graphics, ai, networking etc) intensive than having 50 clients within the same proximity.

Having the same number of clients inside a larger box, doesnít change anything.

A client inside a larger box doesnít see any increase|decrease in performance because of the increased play area because it all depends on what is inside the box - and within view of the client - as well as how many clients are within proximity

CryEngine and Lumberyard are ďlevelĒ based games. Meaning the world is created inside an editor - just like all games which arenít procedurally generated. The larger the level, the more assets in it - the more the performance decrease when clients are inside. This is why even before moons were introduced in 3.0, performance which sucked before, became worse. Then they had to do something about it via OCS + NBC before they could increase the world size again in 3.3.

Since they couldnít do it in time, they split 3.3 into two parts. First releasing 3.3 with the WIP versions of OCS+NBC, then 3.3.5 which had Hurston/Lorville with improved versions. It didnít do anything to improve performance during a standard ďgameplayĒ session. All it did was improve performance for a group of clients within an area thatís not heavily populated. Itís why some people are claiming 60 fps, then going to Lorville and getting 20 fps or less - with few clients.

SC is constructed like a series of interconnected boxes. Think of the PU start location Port Olisar (Crusader) hub, Levski (Delamar moon), and Lorville (Hurston) as 3 separate but connected boxes - all created inside an editor. Itís how they were able to disable Area 18 (shopping which was previously accessible from a menu like Arena Commander, Star Marine) and move all the shops to Port Olisar. Itís also how both AC and SM can be played separately, as they are just separate level boxes.

Each box has a different level of complexity and content which determines the performance requirements.

Welcome to Stanton key locations currently implemented. The number at the end of each line is my approximation of the level of processing required for 16 (standard number) clients within proximity (clients can see and interact with each other) of each other.



- Space: (empty) - 4
- Space: (areas with hubs such as security hub Kera orbits Cellin, Covalex orbits Daymar, various rest stops) - 7
- Hub: Port Olisar - 6
- Moon (surface) - 4
- Planetoid (surface) - 4
- Planet (surface): 5
- Hub: GrimHEX (Yella) - 6
- Hub: Levski (Delamar) - 6
- City: Lorville (Hurston) - 20

So if you were getting an average of 30 fps in 3.2, then getting 50 fps in 3.3, it has to do with the OCS+NBC implementation. However, itís sporadic because all those do is - in some cases - prevent the loading of assets inside boxes (and within a certain range of the current box) that the player can neither see, nor located in. But, as most have now seen, it breaks a LOT of things. Heck, even when in the same box, you can see clients and ships being removed prematurely, even if they are in the same box youíre in, within proximity etc. And when clients are all within the same box or within visual interaction distance, guess what happens? If you guessed that performance tanks again because now everything within the same box is processed, then you would be correct.

And THAT is how we end up with these fps spikes which go from bad to worse during ďgameplayĒ interactions between clients. Itís also why you would be hard-pressed to find gameplay related videos which arenít totally shit. Citizens and streamers instead focus on taking screen shots and nav videos because the gameís visual fidelity is mostly what sells it outside the backer base.

Performance in space is better than inside hubs and on the planets because thereís hardly anything in space. Also, performance on the moon/planet terrain is better because most of the assets (rocks, fauna etc) are procedurally generated like in all games. Meaning, an artist didnít sit down and place every rock, or tree manually in the editor, as that would be an impossible amount of work.

The reason that Lorville is such a performance hog is because it is the largest box, and has the most assets. And they attempted to reduce the performance demands by preventing players from flying too close and within the city by adding no-fly-zones. Otherwise, anyone getting 20 fps right now flying outside those zones, will be getting about 5 fps or less flying within the city. So imagine what happens if several clients are in that city. And THAT is why, even after touting it for over a year, they had to take it out of 3.3 in order to implement performance improvements via OCS+NBC. When they brought it into 3.3.5, they added those zones once they discovered that even OCS+NBC wonít help because 1) the engine is shit and canít handle that sort of thing 2) the visual fidelity of the assets is just to great a burden - and CryEngine/Lumberyard are notorious performance hogs in EVERY aspect

And what they did with Lorville, is precisely what they are going to have to do with Microtech (the next planet) which they have also promoted as a city on a planet. For a hearty lol, take a look at the concept art and descriptions for these locations, which they were touting as far back as 2013.

Further reading (my articles on OCS + NBC and why they didnít yield the expected results)

10/27/2018 http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6723/
10/15/2018 http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6682/
09/22/2018 http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6639/
09/08/2018 http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6615/
02/20/2018 http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6239/
12/11/2017 http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6078/
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Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #356 on: November 23, 2018, 08:13:48 AM »
I made this effort post in another forum. I am posting it here for bookmarking


Great write I like hearing about design details.
I would have to find the video but they already stated that the bulk of the microtech planet will not be available to the player.
Unity city demo is so far ahead of cig and I saw a similar demo from unreal, unreal also has spacial os support to.

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« Reply #357 on: November 23, 2018, 08:15:41 AM »
Yeah, remember when over a year ago they were showcasing how they create the game world?


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« Reply #358 on: November 30, 2018, 03:11:21 PM »
I wrote a new blog. Star Citizen - Year Six
Star Citizen isn't a game. It's a TV show about a bunch of characters making a game. It's basically "This is Spinal Tap" - except people think the band is real.

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« Reply #359 on: November 30, 2018, 04:54:16 PM »
I wrote a new blog. Star Citizen - Year Six

OSC pointed to your old posts about the TOS recently and on que the guy was able to totally
ignore the presented facts. This is why I just in it for the laughs no voice can reach them.
If facts and past post are presented they can do any mental gymnastics to keep loving the failure.
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