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Star Citizen / Re: Sad Citizens
« Last post by dsmart on Today at 06:50:11 AM »
Back in April 2016 when I took Line Of Defense off Steam by switching it from Early Access to CBT thus killing two birds with one stone due to Steam store page review bombing, the Shitizen pricks who were doing it out of spite were denying it. Like the cowards that they are. Once in a while, we link their Steam profiles to their social media profiles, then ban them.

But at least they're not denying it anymore.

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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen - The E.L.E.
« Last post by dsmart on Today at 05:33:50 AM »
that schedule thing is the biggest joke in the history. who can complain about the game when even there schedules are being behind "schedule" . They told us the schedules they share are estimates only do they want us to believe they dont even have a estimate or track of what is being made what has to be made ??

They do have an internal schedule. Thing is, if they share it, panic would ensue. It's something that sources talk about all the time. So what they do is cull the "near term"* items, then make that public. Which is why they haven't yet put up the 2.6.2 schedule, let alone the 3.0 or even SQ42.

* and they only started doing this with 2.6.0 due to backlash from the CitizenCon "demo", 3.0 not being released etc. It was to be a false sense of security for the backers. Despite the fact that - as far back as 2013 - they were giving out dates and schedules, while missing all of them. That was back when croberts had promised to give monthly schedules. Then he didn't. Like how Star Marine showed up, unexpectedly after being canned, in order to show 2016 progress; the latest schedule fiasco is kinda like that.

Who can remember my predictions from back in Q4/16 when I said that not only was 3.0 a pipe dream, but also they only came up with that schedule as a way to curry some quick backer confidence, when in fact nothing had changed?

LOL!! This was brilliant

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5w27pe/about_262_production_schedule/de6ysfj/

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"I see that we have evolved from getting the content/patches delayed at the last possible moment to getting the schedule with the stuff that will get delayed at the last possible moment delayed at the last possible moment
Luckily the sales are still on time.
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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen - The E.L.E.
« Last post by dsmart on Today at 05:25:23 AM »
I can't believe that it's $144M and year 2017, yet they still toss the same worn-out rhetorical BS around. Such as
  • "They don't know what they're doing, because it hasn't been done before"
  • "When you're working on something groundbreaking, delays happen"
  • "it's hard to make accurate projections when you're building the most complex & ambitious game ever."
  • "Chris overhypes certainly. But that's what he does."
  • "CR's games have never been made in a timely fashion. They have always been awesome though."
  • "Your typical large Scale AAA game takes 4-8 years of dev. CiG is building 2 games, has built an entire worldwide company and if they they ship SQ42 at EOY 2017 will have only taken 5 years, same as GTA V."
  • "Didn't you read the TOS and all the disclaimers CIG makes you read before they let you give them money?  I'm not sure why you're acting surprised or upset."
  • "If your criticisms are indistinguishable from Derek Smart posts, it's an indication you're doing something wrong."

When I first wrote about Sunk Cost Fallacy and Cognitive Dissonance to describe some of these guys, there are those who just thought I was being mean, using hyperbole etc. But seriously, when you think about what is going on, you should easily see that no normal person would be giving them money at this point. I mean, look at the Hurricane JPEG sales. It's absolutely crazy to me that some people "believe" enough to keep giving them money; even though all the signs that this project has failed, are still there.

Some of us really do believe that there has to be some money laundering going on. Buy stuff with bad money, get a refund and get it out. Clean.

The thing is, I can't imagine what these people will think/feel once the next phase in the collapse comes. We're already in Mar 2017, and they've barely released 2.6.1 which is just as bad as any previous patch before it.
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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen - The E.L.E.
« Last post by Darklegend1 on Today at 12:08:40 AM »
Man, checkout these Reddit threads.

I can't believe that it's $144M and year 2017, yet they still toss the same worn-out rhetorical BS around. Such as
  • "They don't know what they're doing, because it hasn't been done before"
  • "When you're working on something groundbreaking, delays happen"
  • "it's hard to make accurate projections when you're building the most complex & ambitious game ever."
  • "Chris overhypes certainly. But that's what he does."
  • "CR's games have never been made in a timely fashion. They have always been awesome though."
  • "Your typical large Scale AAA game takes 4-8 years of dev. CiG is building 2 games, has built an entire worldwide company and if they they ship SQ42 at EOY 2017 will have only taken 5 years, same as GTA V."
  • "Didn't you read the TOS and all the disclaimers CIG makes you read before they let you give them money?  I'm not sure why you're acting surprised or upset."
  • "If your criticisms are indistinguishable from Derek Smart posts, it's an indication you're doing something wrong."

Totally agree with you nightfire, I know its hard for some people to admit that they were wrong so they spun up new excuses but i cant fathom what kind of immense optimism these guys have.

I had enough of this bullshit after that horrendous december livestream, i knew cig were lying after citcon presentation but i seriously thought if they had any brain they will release some concrete milestones or info that they have achieved this year but all we got was promises and excuses.

The way i see it 3.0 was promised by december 2016 and 2.6 in august-september, and waht do we have now not even 2.6 in its entirety. They think backers and a pile of A-Holes and now i am beginning to believe they are very correct.

There incompetency grows each day. i know many will say they are making something never made before and i do agree. All i want from them is to say publicly they fucked up and tell us what the actual state is , they say they have enough money to make the game now so why are they still keeping us in the dark while more morons get milked everyday.

that schedule thing is the biggest joke in the history. who can complain about the game when even there schedules are being behind "schedule" . They told us the schedules they share are estimates only do they want us to believe they dont even have a estimate or track of what is being made what has to be made ??

Sure they keeep changing the schedule before also so they can share with us whatever they have and keep iterating on it as time passes by!!!

There is no chance of squadron 42 releasing in 2017 ..period. then also there page shows coming 2017 now. all it is now is just a milking scam. before it was 2016  :laugh: :laugh:. Dont put a date if you cant meet the goals. Just write coming soon but writing that will delay the milking so its unacceptable.

I dont even know what these whales will do in the game once and if this game ever releases. They already have all the ships and weapons , what will they grind.?? there wont be more than a couple of systems in beginning so no real exploration also. all they can do is troll the person who bought bare minimum package and is grinding.

also if i think optimistically 3.0 should come somewhere between june-july, so they have to waste time till april, they will drop 2.6.2 in april this will give them some time to breathe keeping blind backers happy that "yaay another timely patch delivered by cig" so they will have 2 more months after 2.6.2 that backer unrest begins to surface. but if they miss the deadline of june- july 2017 for 3.0 they will be hit hard and will be needing distractions so

whats next : 2.6.2.a and 2.6.2.b :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

 
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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen Analytics Project
« Last post by Darklegend1 on February 26, 2017, 10:54:08 AM »


Since the Hurricane went on sale, the funding ticker now clocks at over $144M.  :cripes:

This means either they are forging this data or or either the whales are even more blind than anticipated!! :laugh: :laugh:

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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen - The E.L.E.
« Last post by nightfire on February 26, 2017, 10:43:32 AM »
Man, checkout these Reddit threads.

I can't believe that it's $144M and year 2017, yet they still toss the same worn-out rhetorical BS around. Such as
  • "They don't know what they're doing, because it hasn't been done before"
  • "When you're working on something groundbreaking, delays happen"
  • "it's hard to make accurate projections when you're building the most complex & ambitious game ever."
  • "Chris overhypes certainly. But that's what he does."
  • "CR's games have never been made in a timely fashion. They have always been awesome though."
  • "Your typical large Scale AAA game takes 4-8 years of dev. CiG is building 2 games, has built an entire worldwide company and if they they ship SQ42 at EOY 2017 will have only taken 5 years, same as GTA V."
  • "Didn't you read the TOS and all the disclaimers CIG makes you read before they let you give them money?  I'm not sure why you're acting surprised or upset."
  • "If your criticisms are indistinguishable from Derek Smart posts, it's an indication you're doing something wrong."
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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen - The E.L.E.
« Last post by dsmart on February 26, 2017, 07:48:27 AM »
Don't forget to vote! It's your civic duty!  :supaburn:

What do you think is the inevitable fate of Star Citizen?

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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen - Chris Roberts Legacy Of Failure
« Last post by dsmart on February 26, 2017, 07:45:55 AM »
So this GDC 2013 presentation croberts gave, has resurfaced Oh the simpler times  :bahgawd:

Traditional Retail vs Crowd Funded Projects

Key point:


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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen - The E.L.E.
« Last post by dsmart on February 26, 2017, 07:42:20 AM »
Man, checkout these Reddit threads.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5w2fyf/cig_has_gotten_away_with_things_way_too_easily/

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Terrible Holiday streams that ask ppl to buy more ships and hyping SQ42 up and not show it to the end which is most likely CR being far too optimistic when they couldn't resolve issues with the demo. CR knew months prior about this but didn't bother to be honest at first so it wouldn't have a impact on sales and morale. Once everyone was burn out towards the end they finally let the news out. Its rinse and repeat with the sales onwards.
So are people continuous going to reward such behavior that seem like plain cockiness if you think about the fact that they knew months ago that they would not make a release. They clearly knew the community was going let it slide no matter what because that where all the money comes from particular the hardcore ones. They probably don;t care about anyone who hasn't backed the game as much because they aren't where most of the revenue comes in. The devoted hardcore fans who can dish out more money is their primary focus and that undeniable if you think about how the average gamer can't keep buying more ships. There not pandering to the the guy who can only afford one ship anymore. Because he won't have the patient to keep waiting.
People need to admit CR is one the very reason the media has been talking bad about SC at times. It like as long as backer keep on opening their wallet its not a huge problem so what they do isn't a big deal no matter if they miss it. Makes me think it some kind of game where "probably" and 'maybe" is something CR uses to get ppl hope up until the very end when he doesn;t meet the deadline. The same thing is going to happen this year if the same event and hints happen again
Makes me wonder are ppl more interesting in work in progress than something that is fully done. Hooray let rejoice for concept ship sales. People need to be concern with the rep of SC outside of this community. Do people not get tired of jokes made about SQ42 and trolls talking about which is far worse than anything I written here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5w7tzj/yet_again_losing_shit_we_paid_for/de84wm3/

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So, when they decided that the Gladiator would hold no cargo, it wasn't worth telling us until the ship was released to the hangar?
When CIG decided to strip the second seat out of the Khartu that it wasn't worth telling anyone until it was hangar ready.
Sorta like how they didn't bother telling us they wouldn't show us the S42 vertical slice until the very last minute.
This isn't accidents or incompetence, it is calculated decisions to maximize profits.
We want this game to be the BDSSE, actually now we want this game to just be the Best Damned Game Ever.
CIG needs money to do this, thats why I have over 6 grand in this game. That is why they will outright lie to us to bring in more money. It is simple good business practice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5kp7ke/star_citizen_eyes_realtime_reflections/dbrl60j/?context=3

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They have to keep funding the game from pledgers, so they have to focus on stuff that wows consumers but that isn't actually the correct order to build a game.
This is (one of the reasons) why the game is late and will eventually end up costing a vast amount more than if they'd built the same product according to the proper process.
Imagine building a house by finishing one side of the facade to 'final' quality including windows and paint, before you'd even built another exterior wall. You'd have to keep it upright with scaffold and protect it from damage and wear while building the rest of the house, or after the viewing by investors, let it fall down or intentionally demolish it and build it again at the end.
This is directly analogous to what they are doing on SC. Source: 17 years in game development.
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Star Citizen / Re: Star Citizen Analytics Project
« Last post by dsmart on February 26, 2017, 07:39:45 AM »
Latest Hurricane sales track compared to previous comparable JPEGS

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