I still believe. I will not be asking for a refund. Can't be a dirty leaver now can I? Whatever would my mother say?
I wonder if those who asked the refund and got them, if by a miracle that tech demo ever gets to be a game, if they will be allowed to buy it again...
I have heard some companies parting ways with a customer due to refunds, and never allowing them to purchase from them ever again, at least with the same credentials/payment details.
Well done guys! :) I wonder if those who asked the refund and got them, if by a miracle that tech demo ever gets to be a game, if they will be allowed to buy it again...From the email CIG sent with the refund.
I have heard some companies parting ways with a customer due to refunds, and never allowing them to purchase from them ever again, at least with the same credentials/payment details.
Your account has been permanently de-activated. Should you wish to return in the future you can create a new account with the same details.
I refunded not long after the Beer incident. The way Sandi acted talked in those e-mails exchanges set off :siren: straight away that they're is something not right about this game company. So i got my 17k back pronto :thumbsup:
I will admit though once the refund came in, i did purchase a new starter account that way if/when the game does release properly i can zoom zoom around the verse in my basic starter ship trolling B'Tak with some hot PvP action :laugh:
Do we have much of an idea how many people there are that backed the game over the $5-10k mark ?
(http://i.imgur.com/V1rAWJP.png)
I took the blue pill.
Original backer from the start.
Invested $310
Recovered $250 :D
Any idea on how much he was in for ?
Cheers D. :wave:
I might dig around waybackmachine usually that has some interesting cache to look through.
Are people still getting refunds? I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.
I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars. I'd be very happy with a partial refund. Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?
Are people still getting refunds? I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.
I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars. I'd be very happy with a partial refund. Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?
Are people still getting refunds? I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.
I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars. I'd be very happy with a partial refund. Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?
I took the blue pill.
Original backer from the start.
Invested $310
Recovered $250 :D
Well done! :)
One question though, did they refuse to refund the rest of the money or you chose to maintain the basic pledge amount ?
Are people still getting refunds? I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.
I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars. I'd be very happy with a partial refund. Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?
Star Citizen has failed. CIG is robbing Peter (new sales) to pay Paul (refunds). The plan loved by Ponzi scheme purveyors the world over
You're welcome.I guess they've lost some kind of lawsuit they are refunding with less hassle for the last 6 months.
Also, new backers who agreed to the June 2016 ToS change, are also entitled to a refund within 14 days.
You're welcome.I guess they've lost some kind of lawsuit they are refunding with less hassle for the last 6 months.
Also, new backers who agreed to the June 2016 ToS change, are also entitled to a refund within 14 days.
Well in Germany we have a law that we can retreat every contract that has not been signed in a shop where you could actually touch the product for 14 days, well that includes if you buy a ship that has not been implemented - as soon as its in the game and FULLY playable my 14 days begin to count (delivery date). (in a nutshell this means: test the product fully functional for 14 days)
I have finally decided that I am done with this game. As of now, four years in, this community still gets by on wishes, rainbows, and fairy dust. This "game" only exists in our minds as we envision swooping over a planet in our massive idrisses and picture epic corridor to corridor gunfights, capital ships blasting away at each other with swarms of fighters buzzing in between and engineers making emergency repairs.
All of that is our imagination at work. Look at what we actually have. A bunch of small tech demos that still break frequently and haven't been significantly advanced in over a year. We have a substandard FPS module that, while a great first attempt, is not indicative of mechanics that should be pretty much wrapped up at this point for the single player game. Some of the wins that have been celebrated are tiny. Glass that breaks? Flashy glowing pickup icons in arena commander? Wow, color me impressed!
The ship sales have led to bait and switch after bait and switch as ships are nerfed or redesigned before they ever come out. We have marketing tactics that would make EA' blush with embarrassment and we've had some of the worst live streams I have ever seen over the past few months. We have what is basically hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of DLC ships that are going to jack up game balance to all hell when this thing finally comes out.
At this point, who knows if SQ42 even exists? Why is it so difficult to show us the game? 4 years into development the project shouldn't even remotely feel like it may be a sham but this game continues to have an off putting stink to it. When delays happen for the PU it's because they were working on SQ42, when they happen for SQ42 it's because of the PU.
I hope that this game winds up being great but I think it's a pipe dream. For everyone here who pumped at least a thousand dollars into this dream I hope it comes out and you feel like you've gotten your money's worth but I'm done with this sham.
A Star Citizen whale just got his refund after 2 weeks since asking. Read his departing synopsis (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5unjhs/im_out/)
A Star Citizen whale just got his refund after 2 weeks since asking. Read his departing synopsis (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5unjhs/im_out/)
Damn - that's some startling clarity for someone who was about $1000 in. This is good news, really - if some of the backers are waking up and seeing the reality of the project, then CIG has officially lost control of the narrative. Reality has to assert itself sometime, and that time appears to have come.
Here's a very sad backer story for you.
My Boss' son lost his apartment about 7 months ago. His son is a 28 year old male with a $17.50/hr factory worker job with some regular OT, so he brings in $2400/month take home. Boss and his wife said the manboy could move back in for one year to straighten his finances out, catch up on car payments, get his insurance paid, get some money in the bank. He now has 6 months before he has to move out. Boss has been working with him to get a budget set up, reasonable goals for savings by fall etc. So far Boss and his wife have paid out near $3100 to catch up insurance, stop car repossession and a couple of other things. When the manboy moved in my Boss got him set up on Mint.com and YNAB (You need a budget, awesome free budget program on Steam) with the goal of saving $400/month, totally reasonable for someone not paying room/board. Boss decides to check in his son's finances and logs into Mint.com on Wednesday. In the last 6 months our young lad has spent:
$881 on VUDU (Walmart's streaming service I guess?)
$1620 dollars with Xsolla (MWO)
$3320 with RSI.
$4100 on fast food. In 6 months. Despite his parents providing full meals.
He has exactly 0 dollars in savings currently with a $980 dollar bill for insurance coming up mid March.
I asked my boss how much his son was in for total to Star Citizen and MWO, and I thought he was going to cry.
He's resolute in kicking the boy out this fall, and his son is basically going to be homeless because he believes in "dreams".
I told my Boss his son could get a refund like our co-worker I posted about last month and fix his financial issues, so my Boss talked with him on Thursday night about that. His son got very agitated and told his dad that supporting such an amazing project that would change gaming forever was one of the only things that gave his life meaning and getting a refund would be betraying Chris Roberts.
Fuck this scam.
Fuck Chris Roberts.
Fuck every single person still working on this scam, no matter what the excuse is. They're all culpable in taking advantage of a bunch of mentally disturbed idiots.
This was posted over on SA
(https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=654#post469528142)QuoteHere's a very sad backer story for you.
My Boss' son lost his apartment about 7 months ago. His son is a 28 year old male with a $17.50/hr factory worker job with some regular OT, so he brings in $2400/month take home. Boss and his wife said the manboy could move back in for one year to straighten his finances out, catch up on car payments, get his insurance paid, get some money in the bank. He now has 6 months before he has to move out. Boss has been working with him to get a budget set up, reasonable goals for savings by fall etc. So far Boss and his wife have paid out near $3100 to catch up insurance, stop car repossession and a couple of other things. When the manboy moved in my Boss got him set up on Mint.com and YNAB (You need a budget, awesome free budget program on Steam) with the goal of saving $400/month, totally reasonable for someone not paying room/board. Boss decides to check in his son's finances and logs into Mint.com on Wednesday. In the last 6 months our young lad has spent:
$881 on VUDU (Walmart's streaming service I guess?)
$1620 dollars with Xsolla (MWO)
$3320 with RSI.
$4100 on fast food. In 6 months. Despite his parents providing full meals.
He has exactly 0 dollars in savings currently with a $980 dollar bill for insurance coming up mid March.
I asked my boss how much his son was in for total to Star Citizen and MWO, and I thought he was going to cry.
He's resolute in kicking the boy out this fall, and his son is basically going to be homeless because he believes in "dreams".
I told my Boss his son could get a refund like our co-worker I posted about last month and fix his financial issues, so my Boss talked with him on Thursday night about that. His son got very agitated and told his dad that supporting such an amazing project that would change gaming forever was one of the only things that gave his life meaning and getting a refund would be betraying Chris Roberts.
Fuck this scam.
Fuck Chris Roberts.
Fuck every single person still working on this scam, no matter what the excuse is. They're all culpable in taking advantage of a bunch of mentally disturbed idiots.
Blue Pill has been taken
White Citizens card officially revoked
Refund cleared today
$40 richer
Too bad you asked for a refund and no longer have faith in the project. They are holding a large majority of the content back due to people like you complaining about unfinished mechanics, content, etc. People touring CIG have seen stuff that would shit your pants and make you take down this shitpost. But I can't tell you cause NDA.
Dear Mr. Smart,
I'm 41 yo now and although i still enjoy videogames, I've become pretty unsocial in terms of game or game-related communities: the older i get, the worsen it gets. I'm strictly invested in the games themselves and nothing more. Point is, in October 2016 I bought a SC starting package as a result of personal frustration and casual watching of a YT clip of their citizencon planet tech: i never had been interested in SC in the first place, but the idea of having the spacesim/dogfight experience to be just means so that i could be able to land on a procedural planet and explore/fight in 1st person seemed way more appealing to me and -i guess- many others.
Unfortunately, being the unsocial piece of shit that i am, i knew pretty much zero of all the drama surrounding the development of the game or even how the game itself was in terms of playable stuff.
I knew who the author was (and had mixed memories of his past), i had read the kickstarter campaign and ofc i knew there was a fair bit of teenage nostalgia involved in the entire process. I will spare you my first impression of actually playing the 'game', but i can tell you i had good laughs. Thing is, instead of just forgetting about it for a year -my original plan- i started wondering why people had been giving away lots of money for that pile of shit and, sparked by my curiosity, i watched plenty of zero-actual-content videos about its fableish gameplay mechanics, the 'groundbreaking' tech behind it and blah blah blah. Eventually i dove into the cesspool of insanity that is the official RSI forums and that's how i got hooked.
Fast forward to today: I'm still a baker, I already had my 30something euros worth of enjoyment by fucking around with the hilarious bugs in the 'game' whenever a new patch comes out and i still follow the equally hilarious story developments, which is become the videogame equivalent of a very addictive spanish soap opera, whose drama component is fat and greasy while the 'serious' social/economic implications are incredibly fascinating to me. However i do avoid the official forums like the plague cause there's only so much i can take in.
I'm really glad you chose to stick on providing a collection of tangible facts about what's going on and although our conclusions on the matter may be different, i genuinely hope your actions will help pile up proof so that when the time comes and this shitfest finally collapses, hopefully there will be some serious consequences and accountability. To be perfectly honest, i personally hope it all crumbles at least in such a way that governments WILL have to refine some specific laws, perhaps resulting in way less shady commerce practices for the future.
At the same time, in a very '80s-Xmas-witch-curse-movie fashion, i hope you will be rewarded for your efforts by magically watching the whole SC+NMS communities flood your games: you will gain the deserved success, but at the price of having a community made entirely of fucking idiots. ;)
There’s also a slightly technical issue that forms a second front in the DA’s lawsuit: the fact that they went with an independent “pre-order” strategy rather than an established crowdfunded development site like Kickstarter. That makes Lily’s money qualify more on the side of internet sales than investment in an idea (something Kickstarter and its projects are always careful to explain), which exposed the company to certain consumer protection laws.
Woo, what's the deal with that Vertisce guy?
He seems to think he's laying down killer arguments when all he can do is bring up LoD for some reason.
At least they won't say they didn't know it was coming.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/5zun71/something_i_got_from_dereks_discord/
Are the shills now faking refunds to prove that goons fake refunds all the time? I don't get it ... or is a goon playing triple agent :psyduck:
Fat Shat Sings posted:
(2:57:30 is around the time Streetroller called James a pussy because he wasn't coming on teamspeak despite trolling the chat, he shows up just after that)
This stream was great. They invite James Brand on and he just mewls about Derek Smart nonstop. I'd love a transcript of Him Vs Streetroller.
Everytime anyone asked long time SC backer questions about the game he would go
"weeeellllll.....uhhh......ehhhh...........mmmm.......Line of Defense.......had bad steam ratings.....before....before........he commented on Star Citizen"
"Where is this going? Jim?"
"......uuhhh.......welllllllllllll.....Derek shouldn't be slinging mud..........."
"Nobody is talking about Derek Smart"QuoteFor anyone who wasn't around back then, this is the same concierge level whale that came on a podcast and got eviscerated after lying about his pledge amount.
He is probably Lazrin since nobody else shows this much obsession with Derek Smart. Dude has been raging for almost two years straight about Derek at this point.
When they close a refunded account that has gifted items in it, they're literally confiscating the items. They should refund the items purchased through them, while leaving the gifted or Grey market items in the account. This is what's going to cause them problems (e.g. in US, Australia, UK) if someone went to the authorities.Is there any current legal precedent on digital sales transactions? I remember hearing somewhere that Steam added refund functionality to avoid issues in Australia.
When they close a refunded account that has gifted items in it, they're literally confiscating the items. They should refund the items purchased through them, while leaving the gifted or Grey market items in the account. This is what's going to cause them problems (e.g. in US, Australia, UK) if someone went to the authorities.Is there any current legal precedent on digital sales transactions? I remember hearing somewhere that Steam added refund functionality to avoid issues in Australia.
Thx a lot to thedereksmart. I'm going to read your blog an check for the FTC and State DCBA links. I will now compile all the valuable information that has been given to me. From what I see today :
The entire gifting system was developed and is supported by CIG.
CIG has allowed trades on their own forum during a time. CIG changed the old TOS for a new one (circa June 2016) to specifically state that gifted items were not refundable. (I did my payments and received the gifts in 2015)
If CIG did not want /r/StarCitizen_Trades to exist CIG could, with one simple change to their website, they can stop the transfer of assets between accounts. So as much as you would like to call it a gray market and claim it is unofficial--the transfer of assets between accounts is 100% a function of CIG's development.
CIG still promotes trades an gift (link of their Valentine's Day sale of two ships as an example).
CIG sold the ship and know the account it's in and the account it came from. Unless there is a clear sign of criminal activity there is not legitimate reason for them to fully close an account with hundreds of dollars in assets on it. They need to either let a backer keep the account and all non-refundable assests or refund the full value of the account. The player should not be punished for the mess CIG has allowed via the grey market.
When they close a refunded account that has gifted items in it, they're literally confiscating the items. They should refund the items purchased through them, while leaving the gifted or Grey market items in the account.
Despite having a legal flaw / law to prevent them from reimbursing trade, we should not be naïf, it is obvious that we are faced with a very elaborate system of marketing to defraud money from backers.
All this already says a lot about what kind of people we are dealing with.
I will dig a little more before putting myself into action.
If you think my response is harsh well think about all the other potential backers who don't bother to post anything but who by looking at these things just shake their heads and go away. You see how the Star Citizen community got its bad rap? This is how. Which is sad because every response I received here and which answered my questions and concerns were polite and informative. It is also very interesting to me that most of those people have never posted on /r/DerekSmart afaik.
Jun 12, 2014: POLL: Should we continue to offer stretch goals?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13944-Letter-From-The-Chairman-46-Million
Nov 12, 2012: POLL: What do YOU think we could plan to add to our campaign?
https://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12760-Poll-Additional-Stretch-Goals
Sep 16, 2013: POLL: What should we do with the crowdfunding counter after we reach our goal?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13266-Letter-From-The-Chairman-19-Million
"I was so excited at the prospects of a good Star Trek game and MMO, that I was rooting for the n00bs, thinking that they hadn't already dipped in the poison well. To the extent that I contacted them in 2004 and offered my consulting (since I had my own games and have no intentions of working for anyone, ever) assistance as well as my seamless space/planetary tech which they could build from. That went nowhere. The rest is history." - 2008
"I wonder what triggered derek to jump onto the backs of this kickstarter project ... I'm guessing he might have applied for a job or as he calls it "offered his services" and got rejected. Or maybe he offered something to them and got rejected. Like what happened with Star Trek Online and Battlescape Inffinity, where derek publically turn sour on them (saying they will fail) when he got rejected by them."[/b]
I had to read all of it, he wrote everything so eloquently that's just E.P.I.C. :D :D
Quick word on the money. Last night while I was continuing my research, I was browsing the project website. I went to the store, looked around, made some notes etc. Then a very disturbing feeling came over me. Say you are a backer who has paid $250 to a company for them to create a game. You see a mouse pad or t-shirt for sale. You buy it. How many backers were able to deduce that they had paid money to CIG, who then used some of that money to manufacture goods at low cost, which they then sold back to the backer at a premium. I am going to leave you with that picture in your mind.
Knowledge for those who seek it, can be found if you look hard enough. Because I choose not to remain ignorant, I made a decision to do as much research as possible so that I could be as effective when discussing this game and controversy with people who have no idea what they're writing about most of the time.
I did make a post asking questions. I got very few answers. But before I could benefit from the vast knowledge in this Reddit, a few of your buddies decided to inflict head shots even before I put my hat down on the table and ordered a drink from the fair maiden of knowledge. From that moment, I realized that my destiny and quest for knowledge lay not with the fair maiden herself, but with her offspring. Google.
Dr Smart claims to have done the research. What you and I believe to be true, doesn't matter. What matters is that he dared to put it in writing, complete with cited sources and references. Because he did this, leaving himself open to a destructive open and shut defamation case if it was false, normal people would have every reason to believe him when he writes that Ms Gardiner lied about her credentials. And in doing so, as an exec married to the boss, she hurts the company in a lot of ways that will only be obvious if there is a lawsuit down the road from this project.
This is the mic-dropping money shot, right here:QuoteDr Smart claims to have done the research. What you and I believe to be true, doesn't matter. What matters is that he dared to put it in writing, complete with cited sources and references. Because he did this, leaving himself open to a destructive open and shut defamation case if it was false, normal people would have every reason to believe him when he writes that Ms Gardiner lied about her credentials. And in doing so, as an exec married to the boss, she hurts the company in a lot of ways that will only be obvious if there is a lawsuit down the road from this project.
I admit I initially wondered if you had shot your mouth off at first. God knows you could be a hothead years back
Now I don't believe you did. And the fact that CIG had money to burn in a legal shoving match with the Escapist's owner, but not to squash you? It's the dog that didn't bark, as Holmes might say.
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that /r/ds thinks I'm OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/); and if so, that means I've been owning them completely all week? :vince:
He wrote two masterpieces this morning about the potential legal situation for CIG (Sandi's in it).
WHY CIG IS LEGALLY FUCKED (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh9j762/))
And since he showed up and dragged Jester86 (/r/ds mod) into his thread and gave him a 10K word lashing (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8ww71/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8wx2o/)) about his toxic Reddit, /r/ds has been in complete meltdown mode.
This was a lovely takedown (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8qde0/) when they claimed that I called Sandi a prostitute. They claim to be "archiving", but nobody could find a single instance of me saying it. Weird, that.
That guy is brutal. When I grow up, I want to be just like him. :glomp:
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that /r/ds thinks I'm OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/); and if so, that means I've been owning them completely all week? :vince:
He wrote two masterpieces this morning about the potential legal situation for CIG (Sandi's in it).
WHY CIG IS LEGALLY FUCKED (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh9j762/))
And since he showed up and dragged Jester86 (/r/ds mod) into his thread and gave him a 10K word lashing (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8ww71/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8wx2o/)) about his toxic Reddit, /r/ds has been in complete meltdown mode.
This was a lovely takedown (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8qde0/) when they claimed that I called Sandi a prostitute. They claim to be "archiving", but nobody could find a single instance of me saying it. Weird, that.
That guy is brutal. When I grow up, I want to be just like him. :glomp:
I am having to look up what anti-SLAAP is.
It sounds to me like some cosmetic surgery procedure for women worried about the size of their beef curtains
I interrupt this program, to bring you more LOLS (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6wyis/), 2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6x07z/)) from OSC.QuoteQuick word on the money. Last night while I was continuing my research, I was browsing the project website. I went to the store, looked around, made some notes etc. Then a very disturbing feeling came over me. Say you are a backer who has paid $250 to a company for them to create a game. You see a mouse pad or t-shirt for sale. You buy it. How many backers were able to deduce that they had paid money to CIG, who then used some of that money to manufacture goods at low cost, which they then sold back to the backer at a premium. I am going to leave you with that picture in your mind.
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that /r/ds thinks I'm OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/); and if so, that means I've been owning them completely all week? :vince:
He wrote two masterpieces this morning about the potential legal situation for CIG (Sandi's in it).
WHY CIG IS LEGALLY FUCKED (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh9j762/))
And since he showed up and dragged Jester86 (/r/ds mod) into his thread and gave him a 10K word lashing (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8ww71/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8wx2o/)) about his toxic Reddit, /r/ds has been in complete meltdown mode.
This was a lovely takedown (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8qde0/) when they claimed that I called Sandi a prostitute. They claim to be "archiving", but nobody could find a single instance of me saying it. Weird, that.
That guy is brutal. When I grow up, I want to be just like him. :glomp:
That's not evidence. You haven't provided any. You have failed, at every instance, to provide any evidence of anything that you have claimed.
If I were interrogating or deposing you, I think you would start sweating first, even as the feelings of despair creates knots in your stomach, and cramp your feet. You will then shift in your seat, to ease the discomfort, and reach for the glass of water you've almost finished, despite being only 5 mins into a gruesome 2 hr long session. You will stutter, and stammer, and repeat questions, as your brain finds every ploy to think on your feet. Then at the point you decide that you've been wasting everyone's time, it will occur to you that everything you just said on the record, not only cause you more harm, but you never produced any evidence to back up anything you claimed. That's when the crying usually starts. Followed by the 3rd or 4th bathroom break.
5) that he was right about a lot of things back in 2015.
(a) the money: they would need $150m. 2 years later they are at $148m and game still not done
(b) the engine: they didn't have the tech or the right engine. 2 years later they switched to LumberYard
(c) refunds: they were not doing no-questions-asked refunds as they should. they started doing it 2 years later after one person tested his theory about the TOS which they later changed to strengthen that aspect
(d) schedule: which they started doing 2 yrs later
QuoteHi /u/jester86
Sorry to tag you, but I will never post in your Reddit, and I didn't want to send you a message because you had posted about this in public. I felt that you would want his response to your comment in the public domain as well.
Anyway, I had some exchanges with Dr. Smart, and he confirms what you said to me. He gave me the all clear to share his comment. Below is quoted verbatim; I only removed a word I would not want to use here.Quotei) I don't always agree with how the Reddit is moderated sometimes, but the mods (mostly that Jester86 guy) have been diligent in removing objectionable material. Sure he is biased, but I don't believe that he is intentionally condoning what those guys have devolved the Reddit into; and I think that it would be unfair to pin it all on him. Those guys are completely unhinged, and it's a full time job to keep them in line. I read your two page posts to him, and though you didn't specifically go after him, I thought your closing paragraph (forgotten what page it was on) was a bit harsh. He has never attacked me, nor treated me with any disrespect. Disdain and annoyance? Maybe. He responds to my messages, we argue sometimes, but that's the gist of it. The last time we had an argument was about 3-4 weeks ago when he found out that my attorneys and I had opened an active dialog/complaint with Reddit upper echelons, and we were already discussing the Reddit with them. Yes, he is overseeing a toxic Reddit, but he's right, he didn't create it. He inherited it and without him, I believe that the creator would either close it, or let it devolve (which would get it shutdown by Reddit) into a worse problem. Think about what happened in Libya when Ghadafi was killed, or Iraq when Saddam was killed.
ii) Is it an attack sub (I call it a hate-Redd), well, you be the judge. But by the same token, I don't want to see it closed. They have a right to voice their opinion as much as they want; and the collection of what's there, as you yourself have written, falls right in the middle of harassment territory. So the Reddit is serving precisely the purpose for which it was intended: archiving their on-going harassment (via a proxy war they are fighting for RSI). That being, a collection of toxic Star Citizens (aka ******) showing the true nature of the most vocal part of the community. It's like herding cats. We know where they are - all the time. And when this train-wreck finally goes off the last rail, that's where we are going to be drinking their tears from. So closing that Reddit would rob me and my Goon friends, of that hilarity. It will also remove legacy data which may come in handy in any lawsuit stemming from this train-wreck. Also we have a code of conduct. I feed them scraps via my social media feed once in awhile; they "archive" it, then feed their angst, ego, and fetishes, for a few hundred posts. On good days, I can yield over 150 posts just by Tweeting nonsense (in 140 chars or less) just to wind them up while sitting on the toilet. Sometimes if I am busy or write something elsewhere (e.g. on my forum, SomethingAwful or Frontier Dev), they can get a lunch buffet which lasts them a few days. A really good one (e.g. if I point out the technical challenges of the project, or say something about their erstwhile Messiah) tends to yield several threads and 350+ posts.
iii) I saw a thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/69xkmh/meta_disabling_comments/) in which Jester86 is looking to turn off comments. Aside from the fact that the OP clearly proves that they are in a harassment campaign because they would rather "I shut up about their stupid game", I think it's a bad idea (see above). What I think he should do is, identify the top (there are 9-13 of them) abusers, then put them all on auto-mod. Most of the other guys (think of the weaklings in a prison, walking around holding the pocket of their master) are just there for the lols. My crazy Goon friends (who are no angels btw. some tend to get carried away, and ruin everything) usually pick these guys off, make them weep (we can tell), which then brings in the big guns (the real targets). Are they mocking me? Hell yeah! Do I care? Well, you've seen me on Usenet - what do you think? That stuff tends not to faze me. It's when they dox me, bring my family and personal affairs/life into things, that I tend to take the gloves off and go postal. All their accusations of doxing, stalking etc are nonsense. It just feeds their angst. I know all the ones who are in the US, but my goal is not to spend legal bills on idiots who will just cry into a bowl the first time they received a court order. I have bigger fish to fry; and that bbq is coming sooner than they think.
They seem to have given up replying now.
Bah; let them make OSC beeing you if that is all they can come up with. These stupids will never understand anything outside their SC bubble , what I find more worrying is in the case the admins really shadowbanned him based on presumptions...
A brand new account with minimal karma can be flagged as a spam bot if nearly all their comments are flagged as spam. I'm not saying that's what happened, or even possible in this case, but if someone posts exclusively on one sub and the mods go through their entire history to flag everything as spam a shadowban can be imposed automatically.
I heard back from him. He says he is shadowbanned and that he contacted the mods since Fri; but nobody has responded to him. Even /u/qwints who used to engage in his subjects. Which means that this was definitely something that the mods did.
At best SQ42 is going to be a 2020 release. Currently CIG hasn't even nailed down the basic foundation of their flight model let alone any cockpit functionality, navigation system, weapon system balance, ECM/ECCM, scanning, etc. All that's going to take at least another 3-4 years to complete.
As far as the PU is concerned...we're talking 2025 at best for a full MMO experience that people will actually pay money for and not rage on because of shattered dreams. And that's assuming that 1) CIG doesn't run out of money beforehand, and 2) it's actually somehow physically possible within the computer industry to have hundreds of high-'fidelity' Cryengine ships all in the same instance at the same time and not have the server be running at 3.5 FPS.
Looks like OSC is back, but in a different Reddit
Star Citizen - Let's Talk Financial Accountability (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6b4nag/star_citizen_lets_talk_financial_accountability/)
Meanwhile, the Star Citizen community outrage over CCu fees continues. This one is eye-opening (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6b0kq8/cig_marketing_community_teams_sit_down_chill_out/dhiy4sr/).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_y5mPyXUAAyeeF.jpg)
Meanwhile, the Star Citizen community outrage over CCu fees continues. This one is eye-opening (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6b0kq8/cig_marketing_community_teams_sit_down_chill_out/dhiy4sr/).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_y5mPyXUAAyeeF.jpg)
Ah interesting, I didn't realize right away this was posted in a thread made by NKato. He's actually a well-known member of Test Squadron (the star citizen equivalent of EVE Online's Dreddit corporation/Test Alliance, Please Ignore). It's interesting because NKato is REALLY into Star Citizen. He's well known for his immense amount of writing on Star Citizen theory-crafting and has obviously also put a lot of money into it. I guess it goes to show that the more intellectually stable members of the Star Citizen community are still capable of realizing when things have gotten out of hand.
(I am also a member of Test Squadron)
It's my personal opinion that issues like the CCU fee/removal are just recurring symptoms of large-scale project management failure. We can point to various things that Roberts does to piss off the community, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to this: CIG is in year 5 (6) of their development and they're still trying to figure out if they can build the game they promised. Think about that and forget all the content, new NPC missions, ship balance, flight model, etc... After all this time they don't even have the basic tech figured out to do what they've promised to everyone.
Roberts might be incompetent but I don't think he's dumb. I think he knows that his company is really struggling, and I think a lot of what he's doing is intentional and out of desperation to either get more money out of backers or to gloss over the fact that the project is in serious trouble. In this case, the CCU outrage was because he tried to milk backers and CIG tried to alter their course by blaming the decision on 0.05% of backers who'd stockpiled tons of CCUs.
So instead of dealing with the minuscule portion of backers who were abusing the system (a system that CIG themselves put in place and didn't regulate properly), they use it as an excuse to justify a new policy that will net them financial gain.
I mean, this is incredible. And not in a good way.
It's my personal opinion that issues like the CCU fee/removal are just recurring symptoms of large-scale project management failure. We can point to various things that Roberts does to piss off the community, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to this: CIG is in year 5 (6) of their development and they're still trying to figure out if they can build the game they promised. Think about that and forget all the content, new NPC missions, ship balance, flight model, etc... After all this time they don't even have the basic tech figured out to do what they've promised to everyone.
Roberts might be incompetent but I don't think he's dumb. I think he knows that his company is really struggling, and I think a lot of what he's doing is intentional and out of desperation to either get more money out of backers or to gloss over the fact that the project is in serious trouble. In this case, the CCU outrage was because he tried to milk backers and CIG tried to alter their course by blaming the decision on 0.05% of backers who'd stockpiled tons of CCUs.
So instead of dealing with the minuscule portion of backers who were abusing the system (a system that CIG themselves put in place and didn't regulate properly), they use it as an excuse to justify a new policy that will net them financial gain.
I mean, this is incredible. And not in a good way.
"CIG spent millions to license a stock game engine, spent additional millions over several years to build a custom game engine; only to then scrap it for another custom engine. While Amazon spent millions to buy a stock engine license, is spending millions to improve it, and then released it as a more superior engine to CIG's (who had a huge head start over Amazon) own offering."
I messaged the mod to ask why. And got this response. At least they're not pretending anymore.
"Your close interaction with Derek Smart."
They have no integrity whatsoever.
They have no integrity whatsoever.
None. They tried to ban him by mass reporting his previous post as spam. That got him shadowbanned. When that didn't work as expected (he was unbanned by a Reddit admin), they decided to just say "fuck it", we're going to ban him anyway - because we can.
They have no integrity whatsoever.
None. They tried to ban him by mass reporting his previous post as spam. That got him shadowbanned. When that didn't work as expected (he was unbanned by a Reddit admin), they decided to just say "fuck it", we're going to ban him anyway - because we can.
I am not that familiar with Reddit, but isn't it possible/sensible to create an alternative Reddit for SC ?
9) LOL!! Apparently having no credit rating means you can still get business loans (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh07cd1/?context=10000)
"at the end of the day we have to keep bringing in some amount of revenue to operate the way we are right now. That's not because we haven't raised a heck of a lot of money... but there are a number of fairly dull business reasons why it has to continue in some way (the largest has to do with, per my understanding, credit... anyone remember how hard it was to secure the lease in Austin with such an odd business model?" - Ben Lesnick, 2015
In case you didn't see my Tweets, OldSchoolCmdr is back!. And he wrote 3 books (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jear8/star_citizen_now_belongs_to_the_bank/djdxa18/), 2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jgfq0/official_cig_response_to_the_loan_news/djeboh2/), 3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jgfq0/official_cig_response_to_the_loan_news/djeboq8/))
All his Reddit comments (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/).
In case you missed his previous, go back to p3 of this thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.30), where it all started back in May.
Question remains why they need such a small loan now (tax rebate is estimate below $5 million) and why they had to give the bank a floating charge and negative pledge. It's not currency exchange rate, that is the biggest bullshit i ever heard because neither CIG nor the Bank knows how the pound will develop and it might even cost CIG more if the pound recovers.
Floating Charge means that from now on everything F42 UK does is covered as collateral even if it does not exist yet. They create a new ship, it's automatically part of the collateral. Which extends to Star Citizen. The exclusion of Star Citizen is in name only (the IP).
Negative Pledge means that F42UK and parent company can not get any other loans. If for example CIG US would try to get a loan in the US and send money to CIG UK they would be in breach of contract and default on the loan.
This is typically only done for bailout loans. Never for a simple advance on tax were you typically only put up the tax credit as security and maybe a savings account.
The Bank obviously thought that there is a good chance CIG will not make it to the end of the fiscal year to get the tax rebate and therefor asked them to put up everything. This is a private Bank that knows when to make profit and it is pretty obvious that they have attached a very high interest rate on this and hope CIG will default.
Add 1k to the refund pile that I pulled out.
ALERT!!! OldSchoolCmdr is back and posting again! (https://www.reddit.com/user/oldschoolcmdr/comments) He wrote two books. :vince:That's a nice compliment when you get down to it.
Also says Star Citizen isn't a scam, compares me to Harry Markopolos (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6lx4k0/star_citizen_crafting_procedural_moons_analysis/djydf6l/)
That's a nice compliment when you get down to it.
However, OSC's cautions about 'it's not a scam... yet' are warranted. Hence my #5 conclusion (project collapses but no legal action sticks).
I really wonder what happens after the end, though. CIG pretty much has to draw a straight flush to win this, and I don't see it happening. It should be a salutary lesson about the dangers of hype, and promising the moon but failing to deliver. Even if CIG and CR avoid legal action, why would any sane person give them money ever again if the game tanks?
Whew!
So it took me awhile to read through all the comments about the chart on /Games. Though there were lots of crazed invocations of Derek Smart, demonizations of goons, and other overreactions, I did see a few fair criticisms that I've addressed in this latest update.
1). The inclusion of the reduction percentages was redundant. Fair enough. I deleted that.
2) Chris' quote didn't include his "I get shot for making promises but that's our goal" escape clause, the line that retroactively makes it all okay. So I included that, too.
3) I also added his mention of the 30 to 40 space stations that would be coming in 3.0. (We'll see how that turns out.)
4) I also fixed a graphical problem that had white boxes behind the Planet names in the Stanton layout.
So here's the latest version. If you're a DS lurker who feels like the last one was flawed or shortchanged Chris's quote, hopefully you might find this an improvement. I'm trying to be fair, even if stern.
(http://i.imgur.com/mBQspA4.jpg)
I have to admit, lurking friends, some of your reactions were a little frustrating, given that I'd tried to avoid editorializing. The focus of the piece was timelines, quotes, and scopes for Star Systems in Alpha 3.0.
The accusations that the infographic was a part of some organized FUD campaign were especially ironic, given that some of you tried to preemptively trying to counter an anticipated Derek Smart tweet and in so doing ended up creating a non-paywalled source for the /Games OP to reference.Quote"They put so much work into this. We record it we make some comments and that's it. Smarties have absolutely no reach beyond their own echo chamber."
I didn't make the chart hoping for a /GAMES thread to blow up, or a MassivelyOP mention, or a psychodrama to unfold on /DS. I made it for my friends here on the forum, most of whom I haven't interacted with in a year, because organizing historical facts is something I like to do (http://justagamemode.com). It's clear to us by now that Chris Roberts doesn't learn from history because he keeps repeating it, so we keep discussing it, yet what I don't understand is why you keep defending it?
Surely I have my own biases, as do we all, but why rage about what strangers think on some random forum? Your recurring tendency to discount the observable past while exaggerating the imagined future produces the present tensions that discomfit you so. The relief you seek yet can't find won't come from excoriating random nobodies for discussing their opinions about troubling development issues or deceptive sales tactics. You are the publisher. The ones to whom pledges have been made for accountability and openness. You're intellectually and emotionally malnourished from the parody of it served up by a guy who believes himself accountable to no one and above all reproach. A man who hasn't once in the entire history of this project ever apologized for anything despite having either intentionally or inadvertently mislead you about matters of genuine consequence for years.
You deserve better than to be full-time apologists for that. I sincerely believe that --- why don't you?
What am I missing?
So, I have had this game for just a short while and.... I don't get it. To be honest, I feel that 1 of 2 options are the only answers to my confusion. Either I am totally missing something, or I got totally ripped off.
Before I purchased the game, I saw ads and trailers showing beautiful scenery, awesome graphics and interesting game play, so I bought the game along with what looked like an awesome addition: Squadron 42. watched videos and did my best to read or at least skim through all the information on the website.
I buy the game and Squadron 42, download, install and fire it up... Now, what can I do?
Well, from what I can tell, not a whole lot. First of all, on the "buy this game" page, there are zero obvious statements about the fact that Squadron 42 has not been released. Then I find out that release is long past the projected release dates. I just looked again and still see nothing that says, "Oh by the way, Squadron 42 is not out yet and we have no clue when it will be." Wow. I totally feel ripped off but, OK, maybe I didn't read everything and missed something. Potentially, my mistake but then, I start to play the other parts of the game. There is a FPS mode I see so I check it out. Uhmm... Hmmm... Well, not impressed. I have several FPS games and this is no better. (Ripped off feeling creeping in again.) OK, let me check out the persistent universe. Well, I see a small number of missions that are all seemingly identical; repair relays. These missions proceed as such: Fly to point A; get attacked by pirates; if you survive, float through space structure and push a button; return to my ship. I can't kill the pirates yet but have watched enough videos to know what happens when you do. Then I see another mission where I have to investigate some woman's husband. I go to another space structure, go inside, float around till I find an active panel, push a button, return to my ship and that's it.
The control configuration menus are absolutely confusing and when I tried to setup my HOTAS, all it did was screw everything up and it took me hours to figure out what the problem was. I still have not tried to set up back up.
What am I missing? I saw things saying I would be able to do anything but so far I see very little I can actually do.
I love Elite Dangerous. I can ship goods (buying low and selling high), I can fly passengers around and make good money with little risk, I can land on planets and explore, I can go on planetary missions and get paid for scanning beacons and destroying skimmers, I can mine, I can fight pirates, I can be a pirate, I can get into power play and politics, I have multiple add on programs I can, and do, use and if all I want to do is try to go to the furthest reaches of space, I can do that and get my name tagged for discovering something nobody else has. There are engineers I can travel to so I can make special modifications and improvements to my ships and much more I am either forgetting or have yet to learn.
So now I start up Star Citizen and wonder, am I missing a ton of things, or did I get totally scammed by the classic "bait and switch"?
These guys are fucking awful.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/what-am-i-missingQuoteWhat am I missing?
...stuff...
Oh this one is even better.
After 8 years development, for gold only 5 Systems? (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/after-8-years-development-for-gold-only-5-systems)
So it looks like we're slowly getting to the point where it really is only the hardest of the hardcore that are going to keep putting their fingers in their ears then.
Things she's arrived at
1) The entire thing is being reworked for 3.0 essentially rendering the entire alpha process so far useless
2) Delta patcher still doesnt exist and its being used as an excuse by CIG to not actually do proper alpha testing of systems
3) CIG is marketing every single part of the alpha testing experience and not actually conducting any testing
4) No content has been released for nearly 8 months
5) This is all the fault of the Derek Smarts and naysayers of the world
This is the type of people still being bamboozled by CIG.
Wth? How is this my fault? FF to 1:48QuoteThings she's arrived at
1) The entire thing is being reworked for 3.0 essentially rendering the entire alpha process so far useless
2) Delta patcher still doesnt exist and its being used as an excuse by CIG to not actually do proper alpha testing of systems
3) CIG is marketing every single part of the alpha testing experience and not actually conducting any testing
4) No content has been released for nearly 8 months
5) This is all the fault of the Derek Smarts and naysayers of the world
This is the type of people still being bamboozled by CIG.
The only thing she has been pulling back is her foreskin.
Wth? How is this my fault? FF to 1:48
Wth? How is this my fault? FF to 1:48
Well, that's obvious I'd say. CIG was a very open, userfriendly environment where the backers were all equal partners to Chris. Development was in the open, backer participation was the highest goal and full disclosure of everything going on at CIG was the second most important thing in this universe. Making the BDSSE being the first most important thing in the universe of course. So no problems.
But then came Derek and he started saying some nasty things. And since then, CIG decided to keep everything to themselves and only treating backers as people who should give them more money. And because of Derek, they stopped making the BDSSE and they don't want to make love to the backers anymore. The CIG universe has collapsed because Derek once said that he didn't like Chris. I see her point.
The fact that this whole game gradually had to turn into an money grabbing Ponzi scheme because Chris is an utter moron, that of course has nothing to do how backers now are treated by CIG. No no, nothing a all. It's all because of Derek.
Seriously guys, we're going to make anti-trans insults here now? Don't be shitbags.
The major change now is that the backer community will not accept a repeat from last year's events. Most of them seem to be anticipating a major disappointment. Where CR had still some credits (or at least the benefit of the doubt) left in 2016, not much has remained. It's the endgame now. The only way to survive this is to give the backers what they want, a working game. And that's the one thing CR can't produce. A working game. Backers won't stand for more nice words, fancy demo's and long-term future development statements. No more.
CIG might try to back-out of Games Com very last minute. No showing up there because Chris and Sandy have a severe case of food poisoning or something like that. And then hoping they do can produce something at Shitizencon.
Anyway, it's time to expect the towel in the ring. Game over...
The major change now is that the backer community will not accept a repeat from last year's events. Most of them seem to be anticipating a major disappointment. Where CR had still some credits (or at least the benefit of the doubt) left in 2016, not much has remained. It's the endgame now. The only way to survive this is to give the backers what they want, a working game. And that's the one thing CR can't produce. A working game. Backers won't stand for more nice words, fancy demo's and long-term future development statements. No more.
CIG might try to back-out of Games Com very last minute. No showing up there because Chris and Sandy have a severe case of food poisoning or something like that. And then hoping they do can produce something at Shitizencon.
Anyway, it's time to expect the towel in the ring. Game over...
The major change now is that the backer community will not accept a repeat from last year's events. Most of them seem to be anticipating a major disappointment. Where CR had still some credits (or at least the benefit of the doubt) left in 2016, not much has remained. It's the endgame now. The only way to survive this is to give the backers what they want, a working game. And that's the one thing CR can't produce. A working game. Backers won't stand for more nice words, fancy demo's and long-term future development statements. No more.
CIG might try to back-out of Games Com very last minute. No showing up there because Chris and Sandy have a severe case of food poisoning or something like that. And then hoping they do can produce something at Shitizencon.
Anyway, it's time to expect the towel in the ring. Game over...
Reading a lot of the replies there suggests that these people will accept almost anything short of a collapse of CIG.
LOL!!! This popped up on my Discord channel earlier this morning. OSC is back. And he wrote another book (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/6pvap6/who_is_derek_smart_and_why_is_he_so_mad_at_this/dkxacso/?context=3).Who's 'nielsenwashere' and why does he keep thinking OSC is you? (aside from 'anyone giving extensive critique of SC must be Derek Smart')
LOL!!! This popped up on my Discord channel earlier this morning. OSC is back. And he wrote another book (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/6pvap6/who_is_derek_smart_and_why_is_he_so_mad_at_this/dkxacso/?context=3).Who's 'nielsenwashere' and why does he keep thinking OSC is you? (aside from 'anyone giving extensive critique of SC must be Derek Smart')
Derek Smart was right about many of the issues he could foresee. The real issue is how Chris & co decided to communicate regarding the game. Derek Smart really succeeded in poisoning the water to the point where Chris always pretends like everything is almost ready and will not discuss concerns. He is trying his best to hide them because he doesn't want them in Derek's hands.
Meanwhile, this is new...
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1209438-Megathread-Star-Citizen?p=46699369&viewfull=1#post46699369 (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1209438-Megathread-Star-Citizen?p=46699369&viewfull=1#post46699369)QuoteDerek Smart was right about many of the issues he could foresee. The real issue is how Chris & co decided to communicate regarding the game. Derek Smart really succeeded in poisoning the water to the point where Chris always pretends like everything is almost ready and will not discuss concerns. He is trying his best to hide them because he doesn't want them in Derek's hands.
'Star Citizen will speak for itself'.
Sure, that's why they got Escapist to take down a prize-winning article criticizing SC's development cycle.
:psyduck:
'Star Citizen will speak for itself'.
Sure, that's why they got Escapist to take down a prize-winning article criticizing SC's development cycle.
:psyduck:
As I wrote in The Money Laundromat (http://dereksmart.com/2017/03/star-citizen-money-laundromat/), the owners of The Escapist didn't want to spend money on legal bills fighting CIG. So they came to a mutual agreement that they would take down the article, if CIG took down their threats and Roberts' infantile diatribe.
'Star Citizen will speak for itself'.
Sure, that's why they got Escapist to take down a prize-winning article criticizing SC's development cycle.
:psyduck:
As I wrote in The Money Laundromat (http://dereksmart.com/2017/03/star-citizen-money-laundromat/), the owners of The Escapist didn't want to spend money on legal bills fighting CIG. So they came to a mutual agreement that they would take down the article, if CIG took down their threats and Roberts' infantile diatribe.
I wasn't clear there.
If Star Citizen could 'speak for itself', why bother threatening Defy Media with legal action? The best revenge is success, I've found.
That thing with Defy could've gone SEVERELY pear shaped for CIG. Their action was what Popehat refers to as 'shutuppery', and there's a number of lawyers who really don't like it.
So, another backer has seen the light (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6r28zv/i_enjoy_watching_their_open_development_if_only/). More and more are getting there, slowly but steadily. Finally, Chris is on the right track :smuggo:
The thing is, are there enough money launderers around to keep CIG afloat? One wonders...
Even the "official funding chart" now is showing the downfall. Whatever mechanics they have to generate those (fake) numbers, even the scripts cannot compensate for the dwindling number of people actually paying over and over again for stuff that just won't be delivered. I can't wait to see what they'll try to sell at Games Com, or when they'll announce. Starting another sale before showing anything else might be dangerous. It's just pushing the backers to their limits. But starting another sale after having to admit that they have nothing tangible or dumping another BS load of R&D demo clips won't work either. I have a feeling that they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Without an actual working 3.0 that has some real body to it, they're fucked.
We have made no progress whatsoever in the last year. At least, nothing that we can give to you, the backers. Sorry. But hey, luckily, you can buy a new ship! Another nice picture for your JPEG collection.
Mental Gymnastics & lols:
13:00 - I am not surprised or upset by the delay at all. At least it's only couple weeks delay instead of months
13:50 - Chris has a secret schedule in his head. The public schedule is to motivate devs to work harder
16:15 - "CIG always lies" "Chris Roberts always lies" but it's a good thing because,
16:30 - there is a complex strategy that we don't understand from the outside. CIG moves in mysterious ways
18:45 - We've had to make stuff up for 9 months while we wait for the something playable to come out
19:30 - [CONCERN] Uhh where's mining? 3.0 is supposedly 6 weeks away and we haven't seen any gameplay of Trading or Cargo
23:15 - 3.0 will come out, with uhh... features
27:00 - Chris is a perfectionist, but only on visual stuff. Bugs are fine
They are so dumb, if you tell them you can travel to the sun if you only fly at night, they start calculating how long it would take...
Meanwhile.... What if CIG focuses on ship sales during the Gamescom presentation? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6u54br/what_if_cig_focuses_on_ship_sales_during_the/)
What do they mean by "what if" ?
Or this one: When CIG inevitably succeeds with SC one day, what will you remember as your biggest concerns about the progress of this project? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6u4l3m/when_cig_inevitably_succeeds_with_sc_one_day_what/)
Since when is fails spelled succeeds?
Oh yeah, I have been following those too. It's almost as if they're becoming self-aware.
Derek is a heat sink for misdirected backer frustration and rage. It's funny how elegantly this has worked out.
1) Derek feeds off the contempt of furious detractors, knowing that the angrier they are at him, the more he's succeeded at consuming their thoughts and tormenting their spirits. (They're writing novels daily about a person they claim has no talent and no consequence. Yet his consequence is proven by the extent of their efforts at disproving it for his talent is trolling.)
2) Backers are rightly pissed and need an outlet. Chris, given his affable disposition and starry-eyed proclamations, will always be the backers "right" choice in a false dichotomy pick between himself and Derek. As long as Derek shares the stage with Chris, Chris is the easy pick for backers. They "win" a false choice based on favorability of personality.
3) Chris benefits greatly from the theatrical villainy of Derek's trolling, for it keeps Chris from sharing the stage with his TRUE mortal enemy, that being yesterday's Chris and his attendant claims and promises. This allows present Chris to keep LARPing as Future Chris, Director of the Most Ambitious Game in History, and channeling his energies and attentions into the next commercial or demo for that game. The more fidelitous the better, he's trying to brute force his way into the Pantheon of Modern Gaming Gods via his usual overcompensation techniques (polycount overkill, competitor feature oneupmanship, perpetual tinkering with finished assets, etc.) "Please God let me run out this string a little longer... My guys in Frankfurt, I just know they can crack this nut, turn lead into gold and save this thing... just a little more time... Pleeeease?"
4) Goons are cockroaches and can subsist off such a wide variety of garbage that the above three sources - Chris lols, Derek lols, backer lols - will keep them feeding and sometimes feasting.
There's little that's especially healthy about this ecosystem. It's a bizarrely efficient and self-sustaining set of loops fueled by the dysfunctions and unfulfilled longings of its constituent players. It shall continue as it has until the unbearable tensions straining Chris's infernal machine either blow it apart (as skeptics predict) or are relieved via The Long Awaited Breakthrough that finally sees the machine spitting out the Promethean fire Chris promised to steal from the heavens and deliver.
The quiet drama lost behind the hugely entertaining sideshow is a race, with present Chris huffing and puffing to escape past Chris while charging people to convince them he's Future Chris -- he's hoping against hope that if he keeps it up long enough it might eventually come true.
More brainwashed morons.... :vince:
XxXtdreaperXxXnew user/low karma [score hidden] 56 minutes ago
In before its just Derek Smart commenting under aliases, actually it sounds like something he would do.
Does anyone ever worry that something bad is going to happen and then we are just going to be left disappointed ? Like every game that has attempted to be as amazing as Star Citizen has crashed and burned, but Star Citizen seems to still be standing tall but it's still very mysterious and very unclear when things are happening. Is it just me that's worried?
Star citizen has no publisher to push it out early. They have more than enough money. And they have a large enough team. The only problem with these games they haven't got solved is everyone having unrealistic expectations that have never been met by any game in history. But that's a problem the stupid people in this community will have to sort out on their own.
I've donated over $1000 to this game, in the hope that we'll finally get some innovation in this industry. But my goodness, this Gamescom presentation was a disaster. They really need a marketing guy who is a gamer. Someone who knows what, and what not, to do. The cringy voice role play, the miscommunication, the terrible bugs, crashes, etc. They should've scaled back the demo, so we wouldn't have to see that stuff during the presentation. I'm definitely not spending another cent until they show that they can deliver.
Cheesy acting could have been solved yes. But I think they showed the bugs and crashes on purpose. People need to know 3.0 was delayed for a reason.:wtf: :vince:
CIG quietly changed date for 3.0 release just after Gamescom Event to 9th October. Long Vent. Coming from a place of love not hate. (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/cig-quietly-changed-date-for-3-0-release-just-afte)
Everything is fine though. Nothing to worry about. At all. :smugjones:
Between us in my family we have 5 accounts 35 ships and spent a lot of money. Well mostly my brother. I wont even say what he thought all week. While we watched live every stream and the CR main show. !"
Don't bother mate. Facts or having some professional knowledge so that they can make informed points don't mean much to some.
There are those that don't believe CIG and there is nothing we can do about it unless they get a job in the industry and actually find out for themselves how hard it is to invent complex software.
I doubt many companies will want to follow in CIGs footsteps about being so open. Being called liars and amateurs (it seems a lot of these non-devs are so much better than the real devs) isn't something many people like to read when they work their asses off. It is much easier to hide it all behind closed doors and give the "fans" (lol!) no input until they are about to release the game. But sometimes I have to remind myself that given the number of backers, some people yell loud but they are a drop in the bucket.
If given the chance to meet Chris Roberts and the team I would shake each and every one of their hands and THANK them for having the guts and integrity to stand up and say to the big investors and heavy hitters of the AAA software warehouses that make up the industry and say; NO people WANT a space sim, if you will not help I'll do it on my own! Then to go create a new company from ground up - and produce what we have as an ALPHA in 5 years is frankly ASTOUNDING IMO. !
And so it begins...
Star Citizen Development - are we too harsh? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wpxxd/star_citizen_development_are_we_too_harsh/)
CMDR_Agony_Aunt 10 points 4 hours ago
First of all it's not a guess CR specifically stated numerous time he gives aggressive dates deliberately.
Yeah, had this discussion a few times here on reddit. I've tried to explain from the perspective of project management and managing client expectations why this is an absoloutely terrible idea. Won't get into that discussion again, but as someone who has spent a number of years as a project manager and seen and done plenty of mistakes, i know what i'm talking about.
Half truths are the worst type of lies.
Indeed, and its time CIG stopped it.
This is normal in project management
Oh not its not. And if anyone in our company started running projects like that they would be absoloutely shitcanned. I guess EKD simply doesn't understand software development :D
This has nothing to do with Chris' management style.
He is the man at the top. He makes all executive decisions. He is 100% responsible for everything on the project.
Those people don't survive at CIG or working for Chris.
LOL, and i bet they are very happy to be out from underneath such a terrible leader.
After the Gamescom reality bite, out of the 30 or so friends who had backed at similar levels to myself ($300 or so)...I'm the only one left. 22 of them asked for refunds within hours of Gamescom with no intention of buying back in with even a starter package.
As for me...I keep hovering over the figurative refund button then not doing it, no real idea why. Sure, I can afford to write the sum off without much thought...but should I be encouraging CR's directorial cinematic fantasies on the whim of ever landing my Cutlass Black on a planet/moon and actually completing a simple trade mission?
I can't keep extending my deadline to cut off my support much more without feeling like so many of the hopelessly and tragically emotionally invested drones... I'm not one of those...but wishful thinking is fast becoming a guilty passion
Meanwhile, over there (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5870077&viewfull=1#post5870077)Now that I think of it. I still haven't slammed that refund button myself, even though I'm only $30 into this mess. (Thank God I didn't buy further into this debacle, I almost did.) Can anyone share with me how I go about and get one? Anything to further torpedo this shitshow, the better.QuoteAfter the Gamescom reality bite, out of the 30 or so friends who had backed at similar levels to myself ($300 or so)...I'm the only one left. 22 of them asked for refunds within hours of Gamescom with no intention of buying back in with even a starter package.
As for me...I keep hovering over the figurative refund button then not doing it, no real idea why. Sure, I can afford to write the sum off without much thought...but should I be encouraging CR's directorial cinematic fantasies on the whim of ever landing my Cutlass Black on a planet/moon and actually completing a simple trade mission?
I can't keep extending my deadline to cut off my support much more without feeling like so many of the hopelessly and tragically emotionally invested drones... I'm not one of those...but wishful thinking is fast becoming a guilty passion
So, this quote (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5870077&viewfull=1#post5870077) from MTBFritz on the Frontier SC v6 thread is pretty clear :golfclap: :five:
I believe that poll to be as bogus as the fundtracker of number of backers. It was used as a justification for a decision made by Chris Roberts. Neither were a sufficiant number of backers informed nor asked in order to justify turning the whole project around. The poll was for whoever managed to stumble across is in the time window it was up. I would ve expected emails to everybody but that never happened because then CRoberts couldnt control the outcome.
Well I read Derek Smarts blog and have drawn a personal conclusion towards Star Citizen, the game. I was offered some very good advice with no added comments one way or another when I first came into this thread. I was advised to wait and see what occurred with SC before dropping any real world money in. I disregarded what now appears to be very good advice. So, having cleared my thoughts on this, IS there a way to get a refund without a law suite I would never win? If so, how? Any help, like in the beginning, would be appreciated.
Chief
Yeah, he's never going to see his post/comment karma again, after those guys send it into a blackhole :psyduck:The poster states having completed two software development projects. That's two more than CIG/RSI has.
The 1 question that people need to ask CIG but no-one ever does (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6x7591/the_1_question_that_people_need_to_ask_cig_but/)
Yeah, he's never going to see his post/comment karma again, after those guys send it into a blackhole :psyduck:The poster states having completed two software development projects. That's two more than CIG/RSI has.
The 1 question that people need to ask CIG but no-one ever does (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6x7591/the_1_question_that_people_need_to_ask_cig_but/)
Thank you for your help. You are the reason that I made this decision, thank you for keeping my eyes clear and open to the stupidity going on with CIG. This is a link to my post about the refund.
(http://i.imgur.com/SQemv8A.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6w1opq/twitter_omg_the_whole_thing_was_scripted_and_on/dm4yt4d/)
(http://i.imgur.com/TwhvzZs.png) (http://archive.is/V3dkG)
ONE MONTH AGO :
(http://i.imgur.com/W1ec2dh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/t4gMyH1.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/)
(http://i.imgur.com/EHtBtRX.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk8bsr7/)
(http://i.imgur.com/AgDQt6L.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk89v62/)
(http://i.imgur.com/myojq5B.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dkam56u/)
(http://i.imgur.com/eVhvvA6.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk8fzy9/)
(http://i.imgur.com/NfuuPja.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk8d8nb/)
Meanwhile, MTBFritz has another one of his masterclass posts up (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5878839&viewfull=1#post5878839)
The tribe are pretty much getting used to the fact that 3.0 is a clusterfuck that, if released this year, would just continue to prolong the disaster.
I bet they release it by year end. They have to.
Star Citizen: Around the Verse - Gamescom 2017 Behind the Scenes (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6xcwbe/star_citizen_around_the_verse_gamescom_2017/dmf2bi5/?context=3)
Nice tweet BTW :smuggo:
My goal in Star Citizen is to be a weapons trader. I want to get the good guns, tweak them and sell them. My dream is that when I deliver a load of weapons, it will be in a luxury ship like the 600i. When I show up to give you your weapons, I want you to think of me as a successful business man to be taken seriously.
I think there's a big difference between showing up in a Connie Andromeda vs. a 600i. It's not something most people would probably think about consciously, but there's a statement being made and people are going to respond to it in game.
On another note, probably even more important, everyone will probably be doing a lot of business with the AI and the ship you use could very well have a big impact on the AI's opinion of you. I could totally see some in-verse organizations
completely ignoring you if you don't show up in the right type of ship. That's a pretty easy thing to program and the AI will be way more common than players. Even pirates would likely respond very differently.
EDIT: I cannot afford to buy a 600i in real life. I plan on making the money in-game and buying one.
^ Kind of the hype-loop NMS fell into? Jee, if only we had a recent example of how that ended... :doh:In NMS's case, it worked because the hype showcases worked as intended.
Interesting...
Is it just me or is this game also flagged falsely as Star Citizen by YouTube?
(https://i.imgur.com/7JIaWSx.png)
On a side note, looks like this game promises everything SC does minus the MMO part and will most surely deliver on their promise considering Egosoft's track record.
heh, good find. Shitizens have been claiming that we tagged our videos manually in order to get page hits through Star Citizen.
heh, good find. Shitizens have been claiming that we tagged our videos manually in order to get page hits through Star Citizen.
I stumbled upon it out of pure interest for X4's release details. The moment I saw the incorrect tag is when I recalled the YouTube false tagging debacle that was brought back in this thread a few days ago.
Call me paranoid but how exactly did YouTube rank Star Citizen as so important as to tag any video resembling it. Could it be all the streamers doing CIGs bidding that skews YT's algorithms?
Another good thing about denying the refunds is that it wil create a shitload of work for Customer Service. Now I do not wish that to them personally of course, but as a company, they have to take on the extra work and might start wondering why they have to deny and deny and deny and maybe they start asking questions internally or try to vent their frustrations outwards. It's not only another sign that something is wrong, it might be another opening of the lid of the cesspool.
The honest believers who now have seen the light, I would like them to get a refund. The white knights and the cultists however, I wouldn't lose any sleep over them not getting their money back.
I didn't get a downvote in that thread :stare:
It's doesn't matter. CIG has burned through all the money already and is running on fumes. This whole farce will crash and burn, probably within a few months. The sooner people will stop buying more fancy JPEGs, the sooner CIG will collapse. And no, by buying them you will not make sure the game will finish. That is not going to happen. It's beyond salvation.
(http://i.imgur.com/IicF4qL.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6xs6ag/dsmart_on_twitter_ptii_of_matts_star_citizen_cost/dmidhdg/?context=3)
LoD:
http://lodgame.com/changelog
LoD Tactics
http://lodgame.com/tactics-changelog/
UCCE 3.0
http://3000ad.com/ucce30-changelog/
UCCE 2.0
http://3000ad.com/ucce20-changelog/
AAW
http://downloads.3000ad.com/aaw_changelog.txt
AOA
http://downloads.3000ad.com/aoa_changelog.txt
GCES
http://3000ad.com/downloads/gc/stm/gcesSE_changelog.txt
Yeah because this is perfectly normal:
2.6 (Star Marine) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15646-Star-Citizen-Alpha-26-With-Star-Marine-Available
2.0 (PU) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15106-Star-Citizen-Alpha-20-Available
1.2 (ArcCorp) <https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14927-Welcome-To-ArcCorp-Star-Citizen-12-ReleasedQuoteThen on April 10, 2015, they switched.
1.1 https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14651-Note-From-The-Chairman-Version-Numbering
New Plan!
Alpha 1.1.1 – Today’s Update (Primarily Arena Commander improvements)
Alpha 1.1.2 – Code Stability bug fix patch for Pre-Star Marine
Alpha 1.2.0 – Star Marine
Alpha 1.3.0 – Social Module
1.0 (Arena Commander) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link//14399-Star-Citizen-Patch-V100
0.8 (Hangar) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13909-Arena-Commander-Launched
0.x (Hangar) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13233-Hangar-Module-Released
So, someone posted this rumor on Reddit: (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6yezmh/rumors_from_gamescom_2017/)
So guys, I don't think this post will be very popular but I've head some gossip from a source that was on the floor in Cologne. Here is what he heard, apparently the team from GiG was looking to secure funding, in the form of a 75 million dollars investment, from other game companies during the conference for use of their technology. No news on why they would want to do that but that's the rumor. Apparently, the other piece of it is that there's not been any progress on SQ 42 at all since last year, they focused entirely on making the technology work for SC 3.0 so they would have chance of selling it ? Not sure. I'm not saying they are running out of money, I have no idea if it's true. But the source is someone I trust (friend of mine since school in Switzerland) working for a large Eastern European games company. Anyway that's the rumor, wanted to share it with you guys.
So, someone posted this rumor on Reddit: (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6yezmh/rumors_from_gamescom_2017/)
So guys, I don't think this post will be very popular but I've head some gossip from a source that was on the floor in Cologne. Here is what he heard, apparently the team from GiG was looking to secure funding, in the form of a 75 million dollars investment, from other game companies during the conference for use of their technology. No news on why they would want to do that but that's the rumor. Apparently, the other piece of it is that there's not been any progress on SQ 42 at all since last year, they focused entirely on making the technology work for SC 3.0 so they would have chance of selling it ? Not sure. I'm not saying they are running out of money, I have no idea if it's true. But the source is someone I trust (friend of mine since school in Switzerland) working for a large Eastern European games company. Anyway that's the rumor, wanted to share it with you guys.
It's worse than that.
And it's not the tech they were trying to sell. They were seeking investment funding for the project itself. I already wrote about this, but most people discarded it as rumor.
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/905473821049802752
Well considering nothing he said can be proven, I am not sure why that video is even a topic of discussion anyways? Anybody can make a video and start making all kinds of claims, just because it happens to match what you like to hear does not mean it is true.
They’re rumored to be quite low on funds (it’s expensive to fund [img=https://imgur.com/5fqTqpt.jpg]http://4 studios and almost 400 people[/img] around the globe), so we already expected this to start happening eventually. With this much money at stake, all things considered, CIG is basically robbing Peter (new backers) to pay Paul (refunds). Which is how a Ponzi scheme collapses once the amount of money needed to give to Paul, exceeds what was taken from Peter – and spent.
If after all these months of being warned you didn’t get a refund, well, you only have yourself to blame.
"First of all, we always have a decent amount of money in reserve, so if all support would collapse, we would not suddenly be incapacitated. We plan the scope of the development based on what arrives monthly by the people to support. I’m not worried, because even if no money came in, we would have sufficient funds to complete Squadron 42. The revenue from this could in-turn be used for the completion of Star Citizen."
MOVEDWell considering nothing he said can be proven, I am not sure why that video is even a topic of discussion anyways? Anybody can make a video and start making all kinds of claims, just because it happens to match what you like to hear does not mean it is true.
That's what this sub-forum is for. It's for discussing such things. Hence "Star Citizen Media Articles".
And yeah, rumors are what they are; however, like all the lies Croberts and CIG have been telling, and which ended up in print, those could very well be the same as rumors because they're either true or false.
And obviously this backer is talking about rumors which I have written about for MONTHS now. But since those guys tend to just ignore everything...until it turns out to be true, they just ignored it as usual. I recall it was only recently we were arguing about the Coutts loan. Here we are.
In a 01/12/17 article (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5174/) which I wrote, I said:QuoteThey’re rumored to be quite low on funds (it’s expensive to fund 4 studios and almost 400 people around the globe), so we already expected this to start happening eventually. With this much money at stake, all things considered, CIG is basically robbing Peter (new backers) to pay Paul (refunds). Which is how a Ponzi scheme collapses once the amount of money needed to give to Paul, exceeds what was taken from Peter – and spent.
(https://imgur.com/5fqTqpt.jpg)
If after all these months of being warned you didn’t get a refund, well, you only have yourself to blame.
In a 01/14/17 article (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5198/), I wrote an article in which Croberts basically admitted (http://www.pcinvasion.com/squadron-42-fund-star-citizen-cash) that he was now running a Ponzi scheme:Quote"First of all, we always have a decent amount of money in reserve, so if all support would collapse, we would not suddenly be incapacitated. We plan the scope of the development based on what arrives monthly by the people to support. I’m not worried, because even if no money came in, we would have sufficient funds to complete Squadron 42. The revenue from this could in-turn be used for the completion of Star Citizen."
Even though we know for a fact that the funding chart is inaccurate, it stands to reason that they have been living month-to-month off sales, subscriptions and these shows. With their estimated worldwide burn rate, no way in hell they can sustain it without shipping a final project.
The pc invasion article doesn't exist anymore - do you have an archive version of it so I can read it please? Thanks.
Well, I do feel sorry for them, as for most staff at CIG. They are just people trying to earn a living. Not all of them are part of the scam that Chris is running. Probably some of them even don't know what is going on. So in that regard, I do not want to see CIG collapse. The human aspect remains that some 300 people will lose their jobs. But you didn't back Scam Shitizen to pay for other people's income. You want the game. And that's why this scam should stop.
I just posted the link, nothing more. No comments, nothing. Just the link. See how some jump on it :D
Oh, and somebody connected the dots.... motto and mjotto. Kudo's guys, like I did hide it or something :doh:
23 unread messages overthere. That 9 minute is killing me. Anyway, away now. Come on Derek, spill the beans already :supaburn:
I just posted the link, nothing more. No comments, nothing. Just the link. See how some jump on it :D
Oh, and somebody connected the dots.... motto and mjotto. Kudo's guys, like I did hide it or something :doh:
23 unread messages overthere. That 9 minute is killing me. Anyway, away now. Come on Derek, spill the beans already :supaburn:
Ah don't pressure him, I'm sure he gave verbal agreements to the people he talked to that he wouldn't leak what they were telling him in a personally identifiable manner. NDA's and all you know the spiel. At the least from this you know Derek follows a code of conduct, and ethics to a degree that makes Croberts look like the amoral A-Hole he is...
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...
I already wrote a book. Been working on it since early 2016 and about 95% finished. I am not going to publish (Amazon) it until the final curtain.
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...
I already wrote a book. Been working on it since early 2016 and about 95% finished. I am not going to publish (Amazon) it until the final curtain.
Good deal, you'll have a sale from me. So have you thought about that cover yet???
And, of course, a huge discount for those guys I assume?
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...
I already wrote a book. Been working on it since early 2016 and about 95% finished. I am not going to publish (Amazon) it until the final curtain.
Good deal, you'll have a sale from me. So have you thought about that cover yet???
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...
http://archive.is/gjRkl
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...
http://archive.is/gjRkl
See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...
http://archive.is/gjRkl
See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.
hmmm....
Moeis=Fandred1
Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...
http://archive.is/gjRkl
See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.
hmmm....
Moeis=Fandred1
Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...
Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me. It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit.
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here. :shrug:
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...
http://archive.is/gjRkl
See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.
hmmm....
Moeis=Fandred1
Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...
Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me. It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit.
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here. :shrug:
I said I'd rule for preponderance of the evidence. Look that up, it only means you have to be 51% sure. You do see my disclaimer, eg... "Though you can't be totally sure", eg... "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt." eg... 90%+ sure."
Basically what I'm trying to say is that in forum mod land, (and I've modded on more then a few forums, and game servers). You run on preponderance of the evidence, you have to, seriously who is going to call for a jury trial at midnight???
And it's not like you got perma banned, eg... Capital Punishment. Derek and the other mods are in my view very fair.
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...
http://archive.is/gjRkl
See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.
hmmm....
Moeis=Fandred1
Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...
Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me. It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit.
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here. :shrug:
Can someone give me some pointers on what a brand new player should be doing?1. Get a refund
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...
http://archive.is/gjRkl
See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.
hmmm....
Moeis=Fandred1
Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...
Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me. It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit.
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here. :shrug:
Well, we go with evidence, as well as track record. That's how we ended up busting - and banning - most of them. Serendipity is only still here because 1) others (e.g. Motto) decided that we needed a forum mascot and /r/ds representative to laugh at, so I unbanned him. That was after he got busted as being ConfusedMonkeh (who is banned here) - which he admitted to 2) we DO welcome dissenting voices and people with opposing opinions.
The problem is that if you look at the denizens of /r/ds, they're not the sort of people you would be caught associating with, let alone playing a game with. As a result, we simply don't want them here.
We also get reasonable people from /r/starcitizen from time to time. We argue. We laugh etc. But no insults or anything of the sort because we know that a LOT of the true fans of the game, are still hopefully, want the game etc. And they're not engaged in any harassment or anything of the sort.
There is a reason why the mods in /r/starcitizen simply do NOT allow those /r/ds guys to bring ANY of their crap into their sub Reddit. The /r/ds guys are the dregs of the Star Citizen community, the worst of the worst, and are a big part of the reason that the Star Citizen community gets a bad rap. When I told them that creating a sub Reddit in my name, for the sole purpose of engaging in targeted harassment was only going to end up amplifying my commentary, and make them look like the anti-social abusive stalkers, they thought it was just hyperbole. Then they wonder why people go there, take one look, and judge the Star Citizen community by what they see there. They're their own worst enemy, not to mention that, besides Croberts, are the worst thing that could ever have happened to Star Citizen.
As I mentioned in my PM to you, we welcome all kinds of discussions here. What we do NOT allow are personal attacks, circular arguments, strawman arguments, and wanton trolling (e.g. "You! No, you!" are not meaningful discussions). This is not a hug box, and nobody is here to win anyone over, or convince anyone to change their position. We simply don't do that here, nor encourage it.
And making a discussion about someone (e.g. your incessant attacks about how I spend my time, how you think it has made my life worse etc), instead of Star Citizen, gets you banned. No second chances. I opted not to ban you last night because with Serendipity on a temp ban until next week, you seem to be filling in his slot for the lols.
Anyway, as per my PM, if you're going to engage us here, just know that we're not the type of people who just throw stuff out there for the heck of it. That's why this forum doesn't have any "noise". So when you continue to post things like "I don't believe you", "You haven't convinced me" etc, we just ignore those because you're not adding anything to the discussion, as you don't offer any reasonable explanation as to why you chose a position. And if you continue along that path, myself and the mods will just keep deleting your posts without warning.
You are more than welcome to stick around; but rule of thumb is simple. If you can't stick to the rules, don't post. You don't need an account to read the forum, that's why I have it open to reading, but an account is required to post.
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
I don't think that leaver wants to be doxxed. So no screens for you.Considering a screenshot would not contain personal information, he wouldn't get doxxed.
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true. So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true. So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true. So yeah, big difference.
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true. So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true. So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true. So yeah, big difference.
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
QuoteWe still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
Lol, this is the second person you guys claimed I am, yet you guys can't fathom the idea I am someone completly new. /Facepalm
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games. That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
:lol: He's going to be so triggered when he reads this :laugh:
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
:lol: He's going to be so triggered when he reads this :laugh:
Maybe it's Batgirl? :wave:
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
Now that is what I am talking about, they provided screenshots that can lead to credibility that the story is true.
Don't blame that group for getting a refund. Like I have said, nobody should ever spend more on a crowdfunded game than they are willing to lose, cause there are no guarantees. If you are someone with even a tiny bit of doubt and you see your money as something you can't fathom to lose, then you better get a refund, otherwise it might eat at you, and it is not worth being eaten at like that over a game.
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
The guy just added the Zendesk log to the post for those who are thinking the refund claim is fake.
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
The guy just added the Zendesk log to the post for those who are thinking the refund claim is fake.
Since not all of their members agreed with refunding, I wondering how much of that 45K will go back into SC.
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
The guy just added the Zendesk log to the post for those who are thinking the refund claim is fake.
Since not all of their members agreed with refunding, I wondering how much of that 45K will go back into SC.
Why don't you go and ask them? And what does it matter how much, if any, will go back into SC?
Since not all of their members agreed with refunding, I wondering how much of that 45K will go back into SC.
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...
There's actually been quite a shocking amount of refunds just in total amounts, we've calculated it's into the multiple millions now, although as you say nowhere near $100 million. But remember CIG is constantly spending cash and even needs bank loans to keep going, so refunds will hurt them a lot like a wounded animal haemorrhaging blood. If they have a negative cash flow it makes the business look terrible to prospective investors or for future loans, it's what kills most businesses. :black101:
Also on your other point, the number of refunds is also turning exponential and reaching a "critical mass". The main Star Citizen refund subreddit has grown nearly 50% in a couple of months and adding hundreds of people almost every other week now. After Gamescom we expected things to quieten down, but the opposite has happened and refunds are speeding up still!! Goodness knows what's going to happen after Citizencon but I expect an armageddon. :supaburn:
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...
There's actually been quite a shocking amount of refunds just in total amounts, we've calculated it's into the multiple millions now, although as you say nowhere near $100 million. But remember CIG is constantly spending cash and even needs bank loans to keep going, so refunds will hurt them a lot like a wounded animal haemorrhaging blood. If they have a negative cash flow it makes the business look terrible to prospective investors or for future loans, it's what kills most businesses. :black101:
Also on your other point, the number of refunds is also turning exponential and reaching a "critical mass". The main Star Citizen refund subreddit has grown nearly 50% in a couple of months and adding hundreds of people almost every other week now. After Gamescom we expected things to quieten down, but the opposite has happened and refunds are speeding up still!! Goodness knows what's going to happen after Citizencon but I expect an armageddon. :supaburn:
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...
There's actually been quite a shocking amount of refunds just in total amounts, we've calculated it's into the multiple millions now, although as you say nowhere near $100 million. But remember CIG is constantly spending cash and even needs bank loans to keep going, so refunds will hurt them a lot like a wounded animal haemorrhaging blood. If they have a negative cash flow it makes the business look terrible to prospective investors or for future loans, it's what kills most businesses. :black101:
Also on your other point, the number of refunds is also turning exponential and reaching a "critical mass". The main Star Citizen refund subreddit has grown nearly 50% in a couple of months and adding hundreds of people almost every other week now. After Gamescom we expected things to quieten down, but the opposite has happened and refunds are speeding up still!! Goodness knows what's going to happen after Citizencon but I expect an armageddon. :supaburn:
How many multiple millions and how did you come up with this calculation?
How many multiple millions and how did you come up with this calculation?
Ever heard of guesstimating? Why don't you ask CIG for the financial numbers? Refunds ought to be one of them. Oh right... you can't because of the TOS changes. :shrug:
You realise that if this information was public it would destroy the project then and there? You don't!?
Each passing day you turn more and more into ConfusedMonkeh/Serendipity. There are 2 possible explanations: you are an alt, or you're turning into a close copy. The latter option is very scary as it means we'll never get a sane SC defender around here. Just driveling fools that demand justification of red flags that are so easily recognizable that you have to be truly antismart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antismart) to miss.
(https://memeguy.com/photos/thumbs/mrw-someone-jumps-over-my-barbed-wire-fence-into-my-property-to-catch-a-snorlax-at-pm-221136.gif)
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profilesOut of nerdy interest, which software did you use?
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
And once again someone checked whether the funding tracker decreased… which it did not. So much for that recurring debate – if it doesn’t move to the tune of $45k, then Q.E.D.
Each passing day you turn more and more into ConfusedMonkeh/Serendipity. There are 2 possible explanations: you are an alt, or you're turning into a close copy. The latter option is very scary as it means we'll never get a sane SC defender around here. Just driveling fools that demand justification of red flags that are so easily recognizable that you have to be truly antismart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antismart) to miss.
At least there they made it to build 3.6 :laugh:
You can tweet that. CIG launches Alpha build 3.6 (for their echo chamber Spectrum) :dance:
LOL!! They made a video.
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
I'm not Moeis. I have no other alts. The account you banned for being me, wasn't me Derek. However you confirmed that new account was me was bad m'kay.
I am male. I'm firmly in touch with my feminine side and often get called camp or mistaken for being honosexual so, fabulously flawed yet interesting software there. I blame hanging around with girls all the time in high school. I only wanted to get in their pants and it turned me camp. What a world we live in.
Shame he's banned as I was interested in a conversation about this writing style analysis. Sounds fascinating. I'd recommend doing a similar analysis of ConfusedMonkeh and me and then me and Moeis as that should prove us to be different people. I didn't exactly try to hide my posting style when I created this account. Can't be arsed with the effort.
Also Derek, my temporary ban didn't expire until yesterday. You posted that it had expired and I hadn't logged in, being suspicious, but you were wrong.
He's gone into full on paranoid mode, it's almost like this $45k refund was a purposeful Derek Smart discrediting scheme. Derek's deleting people left, right and centre from his forums and Discord at the moment, he's running scared.
OK well, it looks like it's time to make this public.
UPDATE: Guess where he got (https://www.mongodb.com/startup-accelerator) the new Nick Parsons name and image? Scroll to the bottom of the page.
Hey @nickparsons if this is you featured at the bottom of the MongodB page, checkout @VeritasLiberos then read http://goo.gl/yoqDNy
Wing Commander 1 was the game that inspired me to become a game developer, so this stings hard. :(
This is how crazy the Star Citizen fiasco has become.
This is how crazy the Star Citizen fiasco has become.
Whoa, is it just me, or is the refund bandwagon starting to pick up speed now? The number of eyebrow-raising whale refunds in the wake of GC2017 seems to have increased quite a bit lately (not counting the $45k fake of course) – it's almost like if the chickens are finally coming home to roost.
RIP Star Citizen
RIP Star Citizen
Gee! gamedevs are gamers too. Who knew? https://t.co/IJkqssbrpI
She pretty clearly felt that you had weaponized her, dude. Her words. I was trying to outreach, assuming that you were mature enough to understand that occasionally you have to give a little to get a little.
You couldn't find her saying she didn't want to be weaponized on twitter huh
https://mobile.twitter.com/Yakaru/status/909838707389210625
Man it's almost like you didn't read the Reddit post where she heavily intimated she didn't want a fucking thing to do with you. Honestly man, for a warlord you're insecure as absolute fuck. Either chill out and realize we're all on the same side here or don't, I don't really care.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/70vc55/repost_senior_gameplay_engineer_at_amazon_asks/dn6eqy7/
I wish SC all the best.
I hope they succeed.
But CIG are showing a remarkable lack of progress, and are still stuck in the pre-Alpha stage of development. By their own timetable, they won't get anywhere near an Alpha state until 4.0...
And there is a lack of direction. CIG are working on adding new ships and characters - but at this stage, the basic game engine still isn't finished, the netcode still isn't done, the flight model needs improving and by adding characters, ships and other assets now, CIG have just doubled or tripled their workload because these assets will - by their own admission - need to be redone.
We all saw the demo at GC17. Those graphics looked years out of date. Granted, the actual worlds looked good but the ships, characters and so on need a complete overhaul.
CIG seem to be working on detail that ultimately does not matter. Creating new tools only pays off if they cut the total development time. There is no point spending five years developing a toolkit that will allow you to create a world or ships in seconds if you could otherwise have written the entire game in three. There is no point spending years developing an AI system that won't be of use within this game. A shopkeeper doesn't need AI to serve you and to be honest, a simple terminal system with robotic handlers is just as convenient, more realistic and easier to program.
I am hoping....really hoping...that despite all my criticism, and that of others...that 3.0 will really truly pay off. That it will reward the patience of the people who have backed this project. I want Star Citizen to succeed. I like the genre. I have ED, I have NMS...I got Elite itself in 1984 on the Speccy. I didn't even mind the lenslok....the game was THAT good.
So I want SC to be out and I want it to meet expectations and promises.
Maybe its because I'm a natural skeptic but I just cannot understand why the backers of Star Citizen seem so blind to its problems. I know they want it...I know **I** want it.
But the development of this game went off track years ago. Chris Roberts got carried away and embraced feature creep and bloat. That was, I think, mistake 1. Mistake 2 was sticking with CryEngine. I can't say if that was a wise choice for the game originally pitched, but I assume that it would have been possible, but I can't see how anyone can think it suited for the game CIG are developing now. I firmly believe that if CIG had taken a year or two to develop their own core engine and netcode, they would currently be much further along in the development of Star Citizen.
As it is, SC has a lot of systems that aren't needed and add little or no value to the game, all while the core foundations - the game engine, the netcode, the flight model - remain unfinished. Meanwhile, CIG seems to be embracing gameplay elements that sound impressive...but ultimately, totally unfun. Do I really need to worry about loading cargo onto a ship? I'm all for realism and I'm all for challenge and I'm all for immersion - but all of that needs to be balanced against the factor that is "fun".
And another one is leaving (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/729x8q/gamescom_2017_bull_sht_this_is_the_first_time_we/)
He sure got the Cult riled up with that one. Downvote central. In the back of their heads, they recognize it's over and they are lashing out with the only method they know. The implosion is going to be spectacular.I am leaving some replies in R/DerekSmart. You should do that too, it's so much fun. It's just adding insult to injury there now :D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgak2tTUIAAZolH.jpg:large)
The level of butt-hurt those guys are going to get when CIG collapses is of a yet unknown scale.
Quote from: MottoAnd another one is leaving (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/729x8q/gamescom_2017_bull_sht_this_is_the_first_time_we/)
That instance-switching veiled loading screen POS Elite Dangerous just shrinks planets and stars to tennis ball size to fool you into believing you travel far distances in supercruise. It's nothing but smoke and mirrors because their tech is so dated and lazy, they couldn't do it any other way without spending money on developement.
And I bet they needed that dev money elsewhere: Braben's shareholders, Braben's pool, Braben's dinosaur- and rollercoaster games, Braben's console ports, etc.
TLDR, no we don't want any lazy shit from Elite's game design, the only few good things they took from Chris Robert's game design answers, and implemented them in a half assed way.
Yeah, it's a new account, so let's hope it's not another "$45K" incident. But then again there are lots of backers who never had a Reddit account before.
But real or not, it's still hilarious either way if Shitizens continue to troll themselves and create their own FUD.
Here’s a sickening truth. As 3.0 started slipping they added features for a while, to make it make up for the delays. I’ve seen this kind of thing in project management before. Some part of a project slips so you ask for extra time and then the person in charge tries to make that something you can bargain about. Yes, we can put it out later, but we have to add ____ to mollify the publisher (or backers). And they guess that the thing they are adding won’t be that much of an increase, or it’ll affect unrelated parts of the team from the blocker or whatever. And they’re always wrong. Because the slipping happening in the first place means we’re not great at timing out tasks; we would we think we’re better now?
So 3.0 has grown in scope and in importance as a kind of Jesus patch that would fundamentally alter the game. Reward their patience. Backers bought this story and so did we. Backers because they wanted all their pipeline theories to be true. And we did because we keep telling ourselves that 3.0 might be the MVP that would let SC shut down refunds and maybe walk away.
But we’re getting none of that. After delays and delays, dropping the schedule entirely, and then a Burndown process that was horizontal or perhaps even upward trending, CIG have started cutting features from the patch entirely. As far as we can tell, the last two weeks of must fix bug counts dropping off are attributable to the features those bugs are attached to being cut out of the 3.0 patch. Whoever makes the game dev documentaries has Erin Roberts on film for all if us to enjoy as he gives up and asks the team to get the most basic thing out the door. The Jesus patch is long abandoned, and it’s looking more and more like 3.0 will feel like an incremental update accompanied by claims that under the hood it’s revolutionary.
Nearly a year of pain and suffering by the CIG people in the trenches to force out something that’s going to feel and awful lot like a monthly patch.
I know that you guys see my face tattooed on the back of your eyelids when you sleep at night, but seriously, is there ANY discussion about Star Citizen without you guys dragging me into it? And why do you guys keep doing this? I am NOT responsible for this train-wreck; you DO know that, right?
Star Citizen is a disastrous mess and an on-going scam. I didn't do that. Chris Roberts did.
And NO backers voted to :
1) change the scope of the game
2) change the premise of the game
3) change the gameplay style of the game
You guys keep parroting that bullshit knowing fully well that it's 100% FALSE.
There was NO vote by backers that arrived at this decision. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. And I have PROOF.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg2233#msg2233
Chris Roberts changed ALL OF THAT on his own. It was a unanimous decision that he made, and it's that same management style that the famous Jennison letter which I just wrote about yesterday, served to highlight. That was TWO years ago THIS month btw.
http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5840/
As to that 1.8 million backers. First, that's pure and utter rubbish. Last we checked, even with duplicates, refunds (closed accounts) etc, there were barely 500K backers. Even Turbulent confirmed this barely a year ago in a widely publicized interview they did. Care to look that up? Just like how Twitter, Facebook and similar subscription services can claim numbers in ballpark figures, so too does CIG. And we even have analytics.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.0
Right now, as I type this, there is NO player engagement with most of the modules, not even the PU. And yes, we have analytics for that too.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg4486#msg4486
The streamers have all mostly jumped ship, and even they they do stream nowadays, they hardly get a few viewers. And most of those are just Goons trolling them - hard.
You know why ALL of this is happening, apart from the fact that the game is pure shite, the last patch was in April 2017, and the community is mostly TOXIC? Because THERE IS NO GAMEPLAY LOOP. There are so many times you can do the same repetitive bullshit before you start putting salt in your tea, and sniffing glue to maintain your sense of reality.
In 2014 the mantra was to wait for 2.0. Then it came out in Dec 2015, a disaster.
In 2016 the mantra was to wait for 3.0. Then instead of the 3.0 promised, 2.6 came out in Dec 2016, a wet fart.
Now in 2017, it's yeah, this time 3.0 is going to absolutely kill it. Then guess what? By the time the first 3.0 schedule appeared in April 2017, it looked NOTHING like the promised 3.0 from Aug 2016. And then YOU guys keep talking shit about "...but yeah, they are giving us so much more than what they promised in 2016". Which, any gerbil with a neural implant will take one freaking look at the before & after list of 3.0 promises, and go "wtf you talking about, bro?". Yeah, we have that INDISPUTABLE PROOF too.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg4494#msg4494
Just stop it.
If you're going to rave and rant, here's an idea, trying doing it against CIG or Chris Roberts (who btw, doesn't even talk to you plebs who gave him $160M to blow on bullshit under the pretext of making a game). NOTHING is gained by engaging and attacking people who have an opposing opinion on this train-wreck.
The game is FUBAR, and there is NO SAVING IT. This is something you guys have to deal with.
The comments are Golden. I added mine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKwYE9ANwMw&lc=z22kghlbmv2ugvjnwacdp432ospi0e0ksvkyv2eh1rtw03c010c.1506525613887907), something I rarely do on those videos. But he invoked my name. So. :colbert:QuoteI know that you guys see my face tattooed on the back of your eyelids when you sleep at night, but seriously, is there ANY discussion about Star Citizen without you guys dragging me into it? And why do you guys keep doing this? I am NOT responsible for this train-wreck; you DO know that, right?
Star Citizen is a disastrous mess and an on-going scam. I didn't do that. Chris Roberts did.
And NO backers voted to :
1) change the scope of the game
2) change the premise of the game
3) change the gameplay style of the game
You guys keep parroting that bullshit knowing fully well that it's 100% FALSE.
There was NO vote by backers that arrived at this decision. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. And I have PROOF.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg2233#msg2233
Chris Roberts changed ALL OF THAT on his own. It was a unanimous decision that he made, and it's that same management style that the famous Jennison letter which I just wrote about yesterday, served to highlight. That was TWO years ago THIS month btw.
http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5840/
As to that 1.8 million backers. First, that's pure and utter rubbish. Last we checked, even with duplicates, refunds (closed accounts) etc, there were barely 500K backers. Even Turbulent confirmed this barely a year ago in a widely publicized interview they did. Care to look that up? Just like how Twitter, Facebook and similar subscription services can claim numbers in ballpark figures, so too does CIG. And we even have analytics.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.0
Right now, as I type this, there is NO player engagement with most of the modules, not even the PU. And yes, we have analytics for that too.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg4486#msg4486
The streamers have all mostly jumped ship, and even they they do stream nowadays, they hardly get a few viewers. And most of those are just Goons trolling them - hard.
You know why ALL of this is happening, apart from the fact that the game is pure shite, the last patch was in April 2017, and the community is mostly TOXIC? Because THERE IS NO GAMEPLAY LOOP. There are so many times you can do the same repetitive bullshit before you start putting salt in your tea, and sniffing glue to maintain your sense of reality.
In 2014 the mantra was to wait for 2.0. Then it came out in Dec 2015, a disaster.
In 2016 the mantra was to wait for 3.0. Then instead of the 3.0 promised, 2.6 came out in Dec 2016, a wet fart.
Now in 2017, it's yeah, this time 3.0 is going to absolutely kill it. Then guess what? By the time the first 3.0 schedule appeared in April 2017, it looked NOTHING like the promised 3.0 from Aug 2016. And then YOU guys keep talking shit about "...but yeah, they are giving us so much more than what they promised in 2016". Which, any gerbil with a neural implant will take one freaking look at the before & after list of 3.0 promises, and go "wtf you talking about, bro?". Yeah, we have that INDISPUTABLE PROOF too.
http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg4494#msg4494
Just stop it.
If you're going to rave and rant, here's an idea, trying doing it against CIG or Chris Roberts (who btw, doesn't even talk to you plebs who gave him $160M to blow on bullshit under the pretext of making a game). NOTHING is gained by engaging and attacking people who have an opposing opinion on this train-wreck.
The game is FUBAR, and there is NO SAVING IT. This is something you guys have to deal with.
The No Bamboozles Release guy quit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/71vzo4/no_bamboozles_release_forecast_for_september_23rd/)
Vital Stats
- CIG feature complete estimate: Sep 29 (originally Jun 26)
- CIG Evocati "must fix" bugs remain: 7 (26 last week) <--- this is where 19 bugs automagically disappeared (no, they weren't fixed. Read this (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3824#msg3824))
- No Bamboozles feature complete forecast (p50-p75): Oct 4 - 12 (originally Jul 19 - Sep 6)
- Worst-case (p90) feature complete date: October 25th (originally Oct 27)
- Live release date guess: one week after feature complete (Oct 11 - 19; worst case Nov 1)QuoteI wish SC all the best.
I hope they succeed.
But CIG are showing a remarkable lack of progress, and are still stuck in the pre-Alpha stage of development. By their own timetable, they won't get anywhere near an Alpha state until 4.0...
And there is a lack of direction. CIG are working on adding new ships and characters - but at this stage, the basic game engine still isn't finished, the netcode still isn't done, the flight model needs improving and by adding characters, ships and other assets now, CIG have just doubled or tripled their workload because these assets will - by their own admission - need to be redone.
We all saw the demo at GC17. Those graphics looked years out of date. Granted, the actual worlds looked good but the ships, characters and so on need a complete overhaul.
CIG seem to be working on detail that ultimately does not matter. Creating new tools only pays off if they cut the total development time. There is no point spending five years developing a toolkit that will allow you to create a world or ships in seconds if you could otherwise have written the entire game in three. There is no point spending years developing an AI system that won't be of use within this game. A shopkeeper doesn't need AI to serve you and to be honest, a simple terminal system with robotic handlers is just as convenient, more realistic and easier to program.
I am hoping....really hoping...that despite all my criticism, and that of others...that 3.0 will really truly pay off. That it will reward the patience of the people who have backed this project. I want Star Citizen to succeed. I like the genre. I have ED, I have NMS...I got Elite itself in 1984 on the Speccy. I didn't even mind the lenslok....the game was THAT good.
So I want SC to be out and I want it to meet expectations and promises.
Maybe its because I'm a natural skeptic but I just cannot understand why the backers of Star Citizen seem so blind to its problems. I know they want it...I know **I** want it.
But the development of this game went off track years ago. Chris Roberts got carried away and embraced feature creep and bloat. That was, I think, mistake 1. Mistake 2 was sticking with CryEngine. I can't say if that was a wise choice for the game originally pitched, but I assume that it would have been possible, but I can't see how anyone can think it suited for the game CIG are developing now. I firmly believe that if CIG had taken a year or two to develop their own core engine and netcode, they would currently be much further along in the development of Star Citizen.
As it is, SC has a lot of systems that aren't needed and add little or no value to the game, all while the core foundations - the game engine, the netcode, the flight model - remain unfinished. Meanwhile, CIG seems to be embracing gameplay elements that sound impressive...but ultimately, totally unfun. Do I really need to worry about loading cargo onto a ship? I'm all for realism and I'm all for challenge and I'm all for immersion - but all of that needs to be balanced against the factor that is "fun".
I know that you guys see my face tattooed on the back of your eyelids when you sleep at night, but seriously, is there ANY discussion about Star Citizen without you guys dragging me into it? And why do you guys keep doing this? I am NOT responsible for this train-wreck; you DO know that, right?
Some of them will blame you for refunds that started because of you...
Also CIG lost money from sales that did not happen because you started your crusade against CR..so when SC fails I bet some cultists will blame you not CR...
What hurts fundraising and refunds more is...I believe...the lack of progress from CIG and the flawed presentations.
What hurts fundraising and refunds more is...I believe...the lack of progress from CIG and the flawed presentations.
If there was good progress every year, then today we probably had very playable SC and SQ42 versions to play...
And instead of writing blogs or getting refunds Derek and many others now would be enjoying the game...
I have no idea how much money CR lost because of Derek, but I think its at least several millions...
Its been an exciting venture and it was a tough decision. I can't wait to see where Star Citizen goes in the future. All the best, team <3
I'm excited & proud to announce my next venture will be joining the @SumoDigitalLtd team as a Senior Game Designer at the end of next month!
He was a Squadron 42 level designer. His services are no longer needed! You know what that means!
It was a tough decision. Do I stay for a company that will never release anything with that the moronic big boss chief manager and lose every last bit of self esteem I have left, with the big chance that the company will go bust very shortly, or do I start working for a more reliable and stable company where my talent and skills are actually valued? I don't know really. See, there still are some people expecting SQ42. But the again, since we haven't worked on that in two years now, maybe I just should go. Yeah, let's do that.
Meanwhile, over there, you won't believe what they're using as a "coping" method (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73kqad/coping_methods/) for dealing with a game critic.True cultists with OCD, vitamin D deficiency and possibly a whole lot of other pathological behavior anomalies caused by spending life in front of a PC in a dark corner of mom's basement, removed from real-world society.
Yeah, that's not messed up at all. :laffo:
TL/DR:
Just got a full refund after 18 days for approximately $2K.
Refund Process:
Very similar to what has been described here lately. I sent an initial refund request via email earlier this month. There were a lot of emails back and forth and I found it slightly absurd how much information they requested to verify my ID, but 18 days later and I had a full refund sent to my PayPal account. The staff that I worked with were polite and other than reminding me of the ramifications of my request, I didn’t feel they were trying to pressure me into keeping my money in the game.
Backstory:
Like many of you, I grew up playing the original Wing Commander and Privateer games. I didn’t know much about what Chris had been up to after about Wing 4, so all I had were good and somewhat nostalgic memories of those early successes. When the initial campaign kicked off in 2012 I was psyched. I had a couple other friends who were just as excited at what was being pitched. Our excitement fed off each other and we all put up decent sized pledges right off the bat. Supporting the great space combat sim comeback was a no-brainer with the likes of Chris and the veteran dev crew that was originally involved.
I remember following things fairly closely in the early days because everything just kept getting bigger and (seemingly) more promising due to how much money was coming in. At the time that seemed like it could only be a good thing. Who wouldn’t want more ships, more star systems, more ways to play the game, yada yada, etc.? And with every new vaguely defined feature, everyone filled-in the blanks and question marks with their own vision of what this dream-game would actually be like. The possibilities seemed endless, and the promises tried to keep up.
I have fond memories of sitting down with my friends and watching those early Around the Verse and 10 With The Chairman videos. Again, it was all too easy to hear Chris describe any number of different features and fill in all the blanks with this idealized version that you wished for it to be. I can’t recall exactly when, but eventually we all started to realize how widespread and dangerous this wish-fulfillment was getting in the community. If I had more time I’d go back and find some of those Chairman videos because it wasn’t too long before they were getting laughably absurd.
Question 7: “If I’m sitting on the space-shitter in my Constellation when I get boarded unexpectedly, will I be able to hit a button in order to pinch it off prematurely so I can defend my ship faster or will I have to wait for the full bowl movement to finish first? Follow-up Question: Will I be able to put experience points into quick-shitting, or will deuces just naturally speed up over time as long as I stay on a regular potty schedule and eat a high fiber diet?
Answer: Well, uhh, errr, we umm, we want to make sure the fidelity is just as precise in this instance as in any other and that everything will be to scale as well, so it will most likely depend on a number of factors, including but not limited to how long it has been since you last duked it out, what your diet has been over a period of time, how many extreme G flight maneuvers you've made lately, and of course if you have chosen to get any shit-mod-bio-implants.
Bottom Line, the whole project is a failure because Chris is a Designer, not a Producer. You certainly need the creative designer type to bring the ideas and give the rest of the team something to shoot for, but you also need the producer to prioritize and basically say "No" a lot in order to actually get a game made. Very few people have the aptitude/skillsets to do both well, which is why most successful large games will have different people filling both of those roles. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like Chris has (and maybe never had) anyone to say "No" to him.
The situation reminds me of George Lucas in the making of the Prequels. Both men had great initial success that granted them massive resources for subsequent projects. By the time George got around to making the prequels, he had so much money and cred in the industry that he could make anything he wanted. But just watch some of the behind the scenes footage from the prequels and you'll see how no one is able to say "no" to him, despite him bringing up one terrible idea after another. Granted, not every idea he had was horrible or else Star Wars wouldn't be the pop culture phenomenon that it is, but no one has good ideas 100% of the time, and Lucas had many more of the terrible sort make it into the prequels because no one was there to say no to them. Well, people were there that could have challenged him, but they didn't, because he was Motherfucking George Lucas dammit, and no one questions G to the L when it comes to Star Wars right?!
Anyway, without a big Dev Studio holding him accountable, all Chris had to do to get more funding was delight the overanxious fans with JPG ships and promises of trivial features that shouldn't even be seriously considered until years after release, if at all. I don't know if anyone ever did/does challenge Chris on some of the crazier stuff he promises, but it certainly doesn't seem to be working if there is.
So, if this game ever is completed in some form or fashion, I'm not hoping for anything more than a Phantom Menace type of let-down. Feels good to be out.
BREAKING!! Star Citizen streamer admits making money from game content. I've said this for months now; but they kept denying it. With backer unrest at an all-time high, well, they know any 3.0 going to Evocati, is getting LEAKED IMMEDIATELY.
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/914882232011108357 (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/914882232011108357)QuoteBREAKING!! Star Citizen streamer admits making money from game content. I've said this for months now; but they kept denying it. With backer unrest at an all-time high, well, they know any 3.0 going to Evocati, is getting LEAKED IMMEDIATELY.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJQhcwWsAEtaXf.jpg)
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73t9ha/psa_evocatti_leaks_hurt_content_creators/?st=J8ABEYOM&sh=1cd28875 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73t9ha/psa_evocatti_leaks_hurt_content_creators/?st=J8ABEYOM&sh=1cd28875)
I am well aware of the revenue from streams; but that's NOT what my commentary is about. You would think that it would be fucking obvious, but no. So here we go:
CIG setup a system whereby they segregate backers. Part of that is Evocati where backers, and streamers, gain access to new content before other backers do.
As a result of getting access to that content before backers, said streamers then FINANCIALLY GAIN from it because they stream said content. To wit, in the past, some of them did in fact stream builds ahead of PTU and final release.
It's no different from CIG routinely revealing new material to the media (e.g. GameStar, PC Gamer) ahead of backers knowing anything about that same content. And those mags also benefit from that via their online viewership and print magazine subscriptions.
Streamers, on the other hand, have long held that they don't make any money from the game, that I was full of shit for suggesting that etc. In fact, my INN expose arguably let to the complete collapse of those shills over there.
This comment by AstroPub confirms that, they DO make money from the game. They're not content creators. They're not creating anything. All they're doing is broadcast the game. Yes, of course they can monetize it. But the elephant in the room is that, by merely suggesting that leaks "hurt" them, they admit to having access to exclusive material which they can make money from. Otherwise, how exactly does it hurt them?
LOL! Who wants to go tell him?
Average 2.59 Million in Pledges a month.... Is it enough going forward? (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/average-2-59-million-in-pledges-a-month-is-it-enou)
I seriously doubt that the players that are going to play SC in the long run are already here as backers.
We are looking at ~10+ million players in the long run.
Those jokers, by digging their heels in, are begging to be sued.
I just got alerted by PM that all my posts on /r/ds are missing/ not visible/do not show up. Apparently they're modding a bit more and probably my posts need approval or something. I do see a lot (more) of "removed"s too. So all my hard work at defending Derek now will be lost. So nobody can see I was right later on. That's a shame :cop:
Are you sure they're vulnerable to legal action? I've been following the trials and travails of lawsuits filed by a couple of real scumbags, Brett Kimberlin and Bill Schmalfeldt. Kimberlin has been practicing 'brass knuckle reputation management' for a number of years, threatening (and filing) suits against people commenting or writing about him online. Schmalfeldt has done the same. But so far, they've had little luck obtaining judgments against their targets.
Here's a nice one too: Compared to the game now how much will 3.0 add, weapons? More ships? More mechanics? Anything cool? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/749va7/compared_to_the_game_now_how_much_will_30_add/)
My favorite reply: 2.6.3 could be considered a technology demo whereas 3.0 is really the true game foundation. :dance:
Yeah, that went well.
Well its been a strong 4 years of waiting from me (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/74h7q5/well_its_been_a_strong_4_years_of_waiting_from_me/)
This is how a Star Citizen reacted to the 3.0 Evocati release. Not a cult though. At all.
"Ah right - those unwashed peons who mearly bought a game and were told they could be alpha testers without restrictions - are suddenly told 4 years later - "Fuck off shitcunts you don't belong here with us REAL testers"
Good mentality to have there."
It sucks, I have been playing and FPS is solid 15. All the typical 2.6 bugs are still present. Game is done for.
A guy i know purchased 12 accounts off ebay. Paid just over 200 dollars for over 800 dollars worth of ships+plus game, all with SQ42.. and then just gifted them all to himself. Accounts came with usernames and passwords. He said there is TONS of them available in a lot of places. How does this even happen?:shrug:
On the "left": The guys on /r/starcitizen_refunds/ dedicated to exposing Star Citizen as a SCAM, and helping backers get refunds. And no, not all of them are Goons.
On the "alt-off-right": The guys on /r/ds parked on a hate sub Reddit for targeted harassment against an individual saying bad stuff about a video game, while waging an Internet wide war against dissenting opinions on Star Citizen. The guys who see Derek Smart everywhere, and who can't stand the fact that the train-wreck they backed, and which - even as I type this - is coming to its explosive end - could possibly be a SCAM.
That said, as to your "tease" video, and opening description...
You do realize this is bullshit, right? And it's going to be just another fuel for discourse? Let me explain my POV.
"Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"
If the above excerpt is in fact the sentiment expressed in that interview, then one thing is certain - it's only going to get worse.
People need to take responsibility for their actions. She Tweeted that she got a refund - as is her right. Then the "alt-off-right" got wind of it from my Twitter feed (they stalk it 24-7), created a Reddit thread out it etc. As did the other guys on the refunds sub, which is actually the correct place where it would be.
THEN, as if the Twitter nonsense wasn't bad enough, she decided to walk right up to the edge of the cliff, then walked off it, by going to Reddit to "explain" herself. As if she needed any justification or explanation on how she spends her money, why she got a refund etc.
This person (posted on a hate Reddit) below actually made a very good point. That was back when they had the conspiracy theory that the other side had anything to do with her story. We didn't.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/70wl5h/derek_smart_on_twitter_gee_gamedevs_are_gamers/dn6ertz/
The fact that her Twitter profile (https://twitter.com/Yakaru) indicated that she works for Amazon (games, but not Lumberyard), should have been a clue that she was stepping off a cliff, and about to drop into a minefield.
Then she did. And the rest is history.
The other side didn't use her as propaganda at all, and no more than ALL the other refund posts in that sub Reddit. In fact, last I checked, there wasn't a SINGLE post about her refund and how her dev role gave any credibility to it. Personally, as most people know, I have LOTS of industry people in my social media feed, especially on Facebook - and most of them were Star Citizen backers who got a refund without making a big deal out of it. In fact, until her fiasco, I'm still the only industry person whose forced refund ever went public. But that's ONLY because CIG, in their infinite wisdom, decided to issue a FALSE press statement to PC Gamer, and made a big deal out of it because of who I was, and because they saw me as a threat. You all can thank Ben Lesnick (yeah shocking, I know) for that one, as he was a proponent of that dumb and disastrous decision. I've been on their case since. I actually just covered this in my latest blog (http://dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/)
I personally had several Twitter DM exchanges with her, in which I even advised her NOT to delete her Tweets, as she was planning to do because of the harassment that those guys were levying against her. Funny story: I know people she has worked with; and when one of them reached out to me - after seeing the discussion in my feed - that was the ONLY reason why she and I even had a Twitter DM exchange. It is, after all, a very small industry.
This bullshit has NOTHING to do with Star Citizen. She was a backer. Until she wasn't. End of story. There is no story here, aside from the impending noise that whatever it is you are about to air, goes live. Then we're back where we started. To what end? What is there to be gained?
Hey, as I said, people have to take responsibility for their actions. At least, like she voluntarily made her refund public, doing an interview - regardless of merit or discourse - is her decision to make. Most of us are just in this Star Citizen fiasco for the lols.
Bring it.
Hey, it's your show, you can do what you want. Though I feel as if you didn't quite "get" what I was actually talking about.
The point that I was making has absolutely nothing to do with "defending" oneself. In fact, I quoted the part that you have in your descriptor. Here, so you don't have to scroll, I will copy and paste it again.
"So, the long and short, after Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"
I found it to be inflammatory (trust me, I know all about that) and sets the wrong tone for whatever it is you're going to be broadcast. You immediately made it about "two sides", this despite the fact it had nothing to do with that all.
I am commenting on this because clearly you have NO idea how this whole thing even blew up. The short version:
1) She Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/Yakaru/status/909673154431217664
2) Someone posted it in my Discord channel
3) I Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/909832097455632386
4) The denizens of the /r/ds hate-Red, saw it. And just like they do with everything in my feed, they created an attack thread out of it, and proceeded to attack me and her. The same way they attack anyone who refunds from the project - even you (as you well know)
5) Goons got involved by creating their own thread (since it's about refunds) https://goo.gl/uLY75J
6) For whatever reason, she shows up on Reddit, to engage posters and "defend/explain" herself
7) As things got heated, both in her Twitter feed and on Reddit, she said she was going to delete her Tweet etc
8) During all that, both in my public Tweets and in our private exchange, I told her to just ignore them and to not respond
- The End.
So how exactly did I or even that one side (the "refunds" sub) use this for "propaganda"? The evidence is there that the only people who attacked and/or derided her, are the same toxic clowns parked on a hate-Red doing what they do 24-7 because you know, any dissenting opinion about Star Citizen is either Derek Smart, an alt, or someone who has betrayed the cult.
And guess what, as if that wasn't bad enough, your teaser descriptor "Star Citizen - The Yakaru Interview, A Look Inside CIG and SC" now has those same clowns making posts alluding to the fact that she worked for CIG on the side, didn't take a job there, has inner workings of the company etc. You know, ALL the things she would be STUPID to even comment on publicly IF in fact she decides to talk about ANY of that with you - or anyone for that matter. How exactly do you think she's going to give you a "look inside CIG and SC" without either breaching an NDA, or sending out a message to potential employers that she can't be trusted to keep company information secret? You know, the sort of thing that NDAs are designed for. And even IF she doesn't have an NDA, it's basically CAREER SUICIDE if she tells you ANYTHING (good, bad, or ugly) - on the record - about the inner workings of the company. And you would be complicit in that if you aired it.
I have to believe that you're better than this, and smart enough to fully research something like this before embarking on commentary that is not only inflammatory, but which also serves to skew the events as they unfolded.
Finally, the ONLY reason I am even responding is because, again, your teaser video appeared in my Discord channel. And since I was the one who did the original Tweet, I felt that I had to explain how it happened because clearly your version of the facts is tainted, and only serves to promote further discourse, rather than address anything. As if the few hundred people who are likely to see the stream, are somehow going to have a different opinion of what happened, let alone get a grip on what actually happened almost a MONTH ago, Sept 18th.
I'm going to have to write a blog now, aren't I?
Oh yeah, this it totally going to go down really well.
(https://imgur.com/JJTXXq4.jpg)
My comment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPKpBCNcls&lc=z23pf5ag4nrejd1wz04t1aokgk2o4k3ull4yhqhyvmogrk0h00410).QuoteOn the "left": The guys on /r/starcitizen_refunds/ dedicated to exposing Star Citizen as a SCAM, and helping backers get refunds. And no, not all of them are Goons.
On the "alt-off-right": The guys on /r/ds parked on a hate sub Reddit for targeted harassment against an individual saying bad stuff about a video game, while waging an Internet wide war against dissenting opinions on Star Citizen. The guys who see Derek Smart everywhere, and who can't stand the fact that the train-wreck they backed, and which - even as I type this - is coming to its explosive end - could possibly be a SCAM.
That said, as to your "tease" video, and opening description...
You do realize this is bullshit, right? And it's going to be just another fuel for discourse? Let me explain my POV.
"Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"
If the above excerpt is in fact the sentiment expressed in that interview, then one thing is certain - it's only going to get worse.
People need to take responsibility for their actions. She Tweeted that she got a refund - as is her right. Then the "alt-off-right" got wind of it from my Twitter feed (they stalk it 24-7), created a Reddit thread out it etc. As did the other guys on the refunds sub, which is actually the correct place where it would be.
THEN, as if the Twitter nonsense wasn't bad enough, she decided to walk right up to the edge of the cliff, then walked off it, by going to Reddit to "explain" herself. As if she needed any justification or explanation on how she spends her money, why she got a refund etc.
This person (posted on a hate Reddit) below actually made a very good point. That was back when they had the conspiracy theory that the other side had anything to do with her story. We didn't.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/70wl5h/derek_smart_on_twitter_gee_gamedevs_are_gamers/dn6ertz/
The fact that her Twitter profile (https://twitter.com/Yakaru) indicated that she works for Amazon (games, but not Lumberyard), should have been a clue that she was stepping off a cliff, and about to drop into a minefield.
Then she did. And the rest is history.
The other side didn't use her as propaganda at all, and no more than ALL the other refund posts in that sub Reddit. In fact, last I checked, there wasn't a SINGLE post about her refund and how her dev role gave any credibility to it. Personally, as most people know, I have LOTS of industry people in my social media feed, especially on Facebook - and most of them were Star Citizen backers who got a refund without making a big deal out of it. In fact, until her fiasco, I'm still the only industry person whose forced refund ever went public. But that's ONLY because CIG, in their infinite wisdom, decided to issue a FALSE press statement to PC Gamer, and made a big deal out of it because of who I was, and because they saw me as a threat. You all can thank Ben Lesnick (yeah shocking, I know) for that one, as he was a proponent of that dumb and disastrous decision. I've been on their case since. I actually just covered this in my latest blog (http://dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/)
I personally had several Twitter DM exchanges with her, in which I even advised her NOT to delete her Tweets, as she was planning to do because of the harassment that those guys were levying against her. Funny story: I know people she has worked with; and when one of them reached out to me - after seeing the discussion in my feed - that was the ONLY reason why she and I even had a Twitter DM exchange. It is, after all, a very small industry.
This bullshit has NOTHING to do with Star Citizen. She was a backer. Until she wasn't. End of story. There is no story here, aside from the impending noise that whatever it is you are about to air, goes live. Then we're back where we started. To what end? What is there to be gained?
Hey, as I said, people have to take responsibility for their actions. At least, like she voluntarily made her refund public, doing an interview - regardless of merit or discourse - is her decision to make. Most of us are just in this Star Citizen fiasco for the lols.
Bring it.
And furthermore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPKpBCNcls&lc=z23pf5ag4nrejd1wz04t1aokgk2o4k3ull4yhqhyvmogrk0h00410.1507844857018891)QuoteHey, it's your show, you can do what you want. Though I feel as if you didn't quite "get" what I was actually talking about.
The point that I was making has absolutely nothing to do with "defending" oneself. In fact, I quoted the part that you have in your descriptor. Here, so you don't have to scroll, I will copy and paste it again.
"So, the long and short, after Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"
I found it to be inflammatory (trust me, I know all about that) and sets the wrong tone for whatever it is you're going to be broadcast. You immediately made it about "two sides", this despite the fact it had nothing to do with that all.
I am commenting on this because clearly you have NO idea how this whole thing even blew up. The short version:
1) She Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/Yakaru/status/909673154431217664
2) Someone posted it in my Discord channel
3) I Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/909832097455632386
4) The denizens of the /r/ds hate-Red, saw it. And just like they do with everything in my feed, they created an attack thread out of it, and proceeded to attack me and her. The same way they attack anyone who refunds from the project - even you (as you well know)
5) Goons got involved by creating their own thread (since it's about refunds) https://goo.gl/uLY75J
6) For whatever reason, she shows up on Reddit, to engage posters and "defend/explain" herself
7) As things got heated, both in her Twitter feed and on Reddit, she said she was going to delete her Tweet etc
8) During all that, both in my public Tweets and in our private exchange, I told her to just ignore them and to not respond
- The End.
So how exactly did I or even that one side (the "refunds" sub) use this for "propaganda"? The evidence is there that the only people who attacked and/or derided her, are the same toxic clowns parked on a hate-Red doing what they do 24-7 because you know, any dissenting opinion about Star Citizen is either Derek Smart, an alt, or someone who has betrayed the cult.
And guess what, as if that wasn't bad enough, your teaser descriptor "Star Citizen - The Yakaru Interview, A Look Inside CIG and SC" now has those same clowns making posts alluding to the fact that she worked for CIG on the side, didn't take a job there, has inner workings of the company etc. You know, ALL the things she would be STUPID to even comment on publicly IF in fact she decides to talk about ANY of that with you - or anyone for that matter. How exactly do you think she's going to give you a "look inside CIG and SC" without either breaching an NDA, or sending out a message to potential employers that she can't be trusted to keep company information secret? You know, the sort of thing that NDAs are designed for. And even IF she doesn't have an NDA, it's basically CAREER SUICIDE if she tells you ANYTHING (good, bad, or ugly) - on the record - about the inner workings of the company. And you would be complicit in that if you aired it.
I have to believe that you're better than this, and smart enough to fully research something like this before embarking on commentary that is not only inflammatory, but which also serves to skew the events as they unfolded.
Finally, the ONLY reason I am even responding is because, again, your teaser video appeared in my Discord channel. And since I was the one who did the original Tweet, I felt that I had to explain how it happened because clearly your version of the facts is tainted, and only serves to promote further discourse, rather than address anything. As if the few hundred people who are likely to see the stream, are somehow going to have a different opinion of what happened, let alone get a grip on what actually happened almost a MONTH ago, Sept 18th.
I'm going to have to write a blog now, aren't I?
UPDATE: He took down the video. I had it in my cache. So I have replaced the link with an image of it because I want to preserve his description of the video.
This is bullshit. And you're a coward. And a fool.
This is precisely why you don't send a boy to do a man's job. If you can't stand the heat, don't go into the kitchen. In fact, stay out of the house!
First, you've already refunded (as you have claimed), but somehow, despite the fact that you have NOTHING invested (unlike me who is unequivocally out to put people in jail over this scam), you continue to make these videos which serve NO purpose other than to paint a giant "LOOK AT ME!!" bullseye on your ass.
Now, in what is the dumbest move to date, you squandered and completely KILLED all the goodwill and credibility you once had via those videos for drama. But when you consider that only a complete FOOL would spend $7K on a video game, it all kinda makes sense that you're probably a few berries short of a blueberry pie.
As if that wasn't bad enough, somehow you thought it was a brilliant idea to reach out to someone who, attention seeking aside, stands to lose more than you, if they went on the record about ANYTHING related to Star Citizen and/or CIG.
Then, you decided to create a teaser announcement video about it, complete with drama seeking inflammatory rhetoric. Which, now that I think about it, was probably a good move because, my comments (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg4927#msg4927) - preserved because somehow I figured that you would kill that video - aside, I'm quite sure that it didn't generate the sort of responses you were hoping for. You certainly didn't count on me dropping truth bombs in your feed.
Now that it has dawned on you - and her - that this was a DUMB thing to do, instead of just pulling the video and letting the whole thing die, you come up with yet more bullshit to justify your own blatant stupidity.
No, the video didn't "destroy the intent, and made it the source of drama". YOU made this whole thing the source of drama. And the fact that she was dumb enough to agree to do this, puts you and her in the same boat, up shit creek, in a boat with holes, and without a paddle.
While I'm at it, please explain to me at which point did it dawn on you that "making another video which could be twisted to fit an agenda" would bother you? What? There was a power outage or short circuit in both your brains during the discussion about doing this interview? Or was it during the interview itself? All those email exchanges that you and her had, leading to setting up the time, doing the interview, you post-processing it etc, there was never a point where it occurred to you that the power was probably out upstairs, and that you two inconsequential tools were about to step into a HIGHLY POLARIZED minefield of epic proportions? And that it was going to end up hurting one person (her) more than the other (you).
Aside from the fact that, without my permission, she shared privileged communications that I had with her, and which YOU made public in that video's comment, until I asked you to remove it. But I will deal with both of you later on that. The point is, God only knows what other privileged communication she may have shared with you. Either from her job at Amazon Game Studios which may have made her privy to that studios involvement with CIG and indeed the Star Citizen project, or during her short time work with CIG. BOTH of which I am quite certain are protected by NDA in some form. I mention this because the description ("Star Citizen - The Yakaru Interview, A Look Inside CIG and SC") for your video was highly suspicious, inflammatory, and gave the impression that she had decided to go full Leroy Jenkins with inside info on Star Citizen and CIG. Which was the point of my comments to you.
No, we don't know that the video had "...easily verifiable statements or facts out of context to fit a preconceived narrative" because it NEVER aired. What on Earth are you going on about? You know that's not how that works, right? Aside from that, how does a statement of fact, or easily verifiable information, get around the provisions of an NDA, let alone the inherent risks to her employment? Tip: Just because it's true and/or verifiable, doesn't mean it's OK to share on the record, and without permission. There is a reason why, time and time again, courts have upheld NDA decisions. The latest being the crippling fines imposed on parties who were found to have breached an NDA as per Zenimax v Oculus. Sure, people breach them all the time - just don't get caught. That's what leaks are about.
And don't thank me for being in your channel, or being the cause of you not continuing to deride CIG over a train wreck. I only came here when I got wind of the fact that YOU had decided to jump feet first into drama that you CLEARLY didn't have first hand knowledge of, and in which I was involved.
Annoyance aside, while I have to believe that your intentions were noble, the fact remains that you clearly don't know what it means to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for one's actions. The mark of a leader and/or a decent person, is to take responsibility for actions and words, while NOT making excuses or blaming other people for one's own follies. You did that in your comments in that video. You did that in the description of the video. And here - again - you're doing the SAME thing in the very video in which you're proclaiming: "Hey guyz! I screwed up! It must have been the cold medicine". You couldn't just OWN the shit that YOU started, you had to wave it off on third-parties who had NO hand in it - at all.
Own this shit, and take it LIKE A MAN! It's all on you.
ps: I know you have friends in Evocati, so you already know - without a doubt - that 3.0 is a pure and utter disaster. Maybe your time is better spent spreading the word so the fools who are still funding Chris Roberts' Golden parachute, know what's coming. That's worthy of your time, not all this other crap.
What? Because of Youtube video comments?
Apparently Evocati are running their own anti-FUD campaign now.
It all reads like a load of horseshit to me.
http://dumptext.com/07N8rKG7
FF to 59:55.
FF to 59:55.
I only watched a minute of the clip - and have never seen this podcast before - but judging by the title it seems to be dedicated to Star Citizen. Can that be right? It is 200 minutes long! Nearly 3.5 hours! Is it all about Star Citizen?
If so, all I can say is: These sad boys don't have lives!
These sad boys don't have lives!They get paid for it. So they have a life.
It's going to be a complete shit-show. I can't wait. I hope they have 3.0 there for people to play. Though being on a LAN, the experience will of course be totally different.
It's going to be a complete shit-show. I can't wait. I hope they have 3.0 there for people to play. Though being on a LAN, the experience will of course be totally different.
Being on a LAN didn't seem to give much help at GC17
Yeah, but imagine how much more of a shit-show it would have been. Considering the current state of Evocati 3.0, do you think it was that much better back in Aug?
But it keeps the cash flowing in, provides incentive for the community to support, encourages hype, and diversifies the player base before launch.
https://np.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/77ku2n/the_co_pioneer_will_go_on_sale_oct_27th_and_cost/
On the latest JPEG retailing at $850QuoteBut it keeps the cash flowing in, provides incentive for the community to support, encourages hype, and diversifies the player base before launch.
12 people in an instance, 10 FPS and constant game crashes will diversify a player base..
A cursory look at the official forums and r/starcitizen will show that a lot of backers are outraged over the perceived nerfs to their stable of ships, which confirms the egregious state of the game and how unprecedently, and indefensibly p2w this game has become.
The most common defense against the assertation that Star Citizen is a calamitous p2w fiasco is that the action of spending hundreds (if not many thousands of dollars) on ships is NOT to gain a competitive advantage over other players but to fund the development of the game. But then if this were the case why would anyone care about their ships being nerfed? Surely spending that $850 (or insert another preposterous number) was to contribute to the cause NOT to acquire a massive advantage over players who haven't, right? Yeah of course it fucking wasn't. Don't pretend that transaction was in any shape or form well-intentioned.
Whatever little hopes I have of this game ever releasing are constantly poisoned by the realization that there are other players who have spent tens of thousands of dollars with the sole intention of acquiring such an enormous advantage over me that I could never compete, unless I sunk the same amount or another preposterous amount of game-time - I say this because there is no way CiG would ever make any of these ships easily obtainable due to the inevitable outrage from the whales.
Furthermore, the idea that people are more outraged over numbers on a web page than they are over the fact that some of these ships they're complaining about aren't even in the game, years after they bought them.
Please don't feel i'm directing this at you good folks, I've been banned from r/starcitizen so I guess preaching to the choir will do.
I don't want anyone and Dereek to get too bent out of shape but there will be swift reprisals for bullshit if it continues to be spread here. If you have criticisms fine, but this fantasyland scam thing is decidedly over.
:lol:@ that guy on SA that paid :10bux: to declare the "fantasyland scam thing as decidedly over":Quote from: SCtrumpHaters https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=477826339#post477826339I don't want anyone and Dereek to get too bent out of shape but there will be swift reprisals for bullshit if it continues to be spread here. If you have criticisms fine, but this fantasyland scam thing is decidedly over.
And what exactly will be the swift reprisal if the "bullshit" continues? Are they going to revoke our citizenship :lol:
https://np.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/77ku2n/the_co_pioneer_will_go_on_sale_oct_27th_and_cost/
On the latest JPEG retailing at $850QuoteBut it keeps the cash flowing in, provides incentive for the community to support, encourages hype, and diversifies the player base before launch.
12 people in an instance, 10 FPS and constant game crashes will diversify a player base..
"I don't want anyone and Derek to get too bent out of shape but there will be swift reprisals for bullshit if it continues to be spread here. If you have criticisms fine, but this fantasyland scam thing is decidedly over."
What are they going to do If I spread hate and discontent? Take away my birthday? Idiots. If they keep talking shit I might just take the effort to register.
We're absolute twats because we are right. I think he didn't make that really clear :D
Yeah and if I glue pictures of different Star Citizen ship variants onto playing cards we would be playing Star Citizen, the game as well. It's just not the game that was promised to be delivered several years ago.See, when they started trotting out 'we're gonna have an FPS component' my eyebrows shot up.
I know... It's Hard.
We were asking for too much Fidelity but more than that we were expecting not to clip through walls, die trying to enter ships, Have our ships violently swing away from us on the most gentile EVA, you know, the small stuff. Good flight physics, a quality FPS in Space Marine would help and overall FUN gameplay is still a thing in most video game. I guess Chris Robbers didn't get the message.
Assclown
Pong would meet the definition of a game but nobody would blow hundreds or thousands of dollars on it. What are these people smoking crack all day? They are devoid of reality. It's bad when they begin to believe their own bullshit.
I mention Derek Once in an Obscure comment and he Quotes me. Nowhere is safe Apparently.
"I have total faith that CIG will make the best game ever."
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No, seriously. He's just laid out all the reasons he SHOULD be asking some very hard questions, right up to 'Explain this shit now, or I want a refund' and... he promptly backslides. How does someone like this survive, day to day?
We're absolute twats because we are right. I think he didn't make that really clear :D
It's amazing. I've been telling these guys for over two years now that the project is doomed and that it's a scam to get their money. But hey, I'm just in it for the lols now - what do I care about their money?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN4sEYNXUAEmNDI.jpg)
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7ayd4k/did_cig_lie/
Yeah, I wonder. Back when I said they were lying, you crazy cultists attacked us. Now the cows have come home.
This is what I expect at this point sadly. The main homes of these people have become so paranoid that anyone coming in with a criticism has to 'prove their cred' by making the requisite 'hail chris' and other ceremonial supplication. It's supposed to be a discussion area, not a fanboy zone.
Just look how SHITTY and SMALL skyrim is compared to the BDSSE!!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/AwvO1oe.jpg)
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7azho2/star_citizen_4km_plot_vs_skyrim/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7azho2/star_citizen_4km_plot_vs_skyrim/)
Yeah, it's pathetic. Meanwhile, this is the sort of thing that continues to cast them in a poor light. OSC rips them a new one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b2wc3/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/
Yeah, it's pathetic. Meanwhile, this is the sort of thing that continues to cast them in a poor light. OSC rips them a new one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b2wc3/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/
Nope. Post got modded far away to an unknown galaxy. Was to personal addressed I guess.
Bensday is on hiatus. @RobertsSpaceInd asked employees not to do recurring shows. That’s all the info I have at this time. #StarCitizen
Yeah, because it's going to be easy to spot those no longer there. But that's nuthin'. It's only the beginning of what comes next. Wait and see. At least you will have the memories.
LOL!! The answer is no. It's not possible. It never was. And it never - ever - will be. At all.
It's all in The July Blog where I called this back in Summer 2015 but then got attacked by both RSI/CIG and their rabid fans.
http://dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/
You should read it. Word for word, it precisely encapsulates everything that I said would be problematic and that they could never - ever - pull it off. And that was at $85m at the time I wrote that they couldn't do it for anything less than $150m, a capable engine, and a team that actually knows how to build space games, let alone MMO ones. Now, five years later, we're at $163m, no game, no capable engine, and Star Citizen isn't even 15% completed. To say nothing of Squadron 42 which nobody has seen since the Godawful The Morrow Tour trailer from Q4/2015.
This is the biggest crowd-funding disaster in history. And it's evolved into an outright scam. They're no longer selling a game. They're selling the concept of a dream; and there are a few whales still funding it out of spite, attrition, and sunk cost fallacy. It's an amazing phenomenon to be sure.
The only thing to come out of it is that Chris Roberts (who has run every single company he ever had a hand in, right into the ground) and his friends and family, got rich.
Meanwhile, over there: Are we backing a game anymore (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/are-we-really-backing-a-game-anymore)?
If CIG stops selling ships, people will take it as a sign of problems. If CIG keeps selling ships, it's a problem. When can CIG win? Probably never. This is project hypochondria every little thing is taken as a bad thing that could, at any moment, spell doom.
Meanwhile, over there: Are we backing a game anymore (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/are-we-really-backing-a-game-anymore)?QuoteIf CIG stops selling ships, people will take it as a sign of problems. If CIG keeps selling ships, it's a problem. When can CIG win? Probably never. This is project hypochondria every little thing is taken as a bad thing that could, at any moment, spell doom.
It seems to me that these are typical symptoms of PSS (Ponzi Stress Syndrome) or OCJD (Obsessive Compulsive JPEG Disorder)
Also, CIG has asked all employees to no longer do repeating shows. Even the super whales. This is going to go down so well.
https://twitter.com/StarCitizenAA/status/928000254615617536QuoteBensday is on hiatus. @RobertsSpaceInd asked employees not to do recurring shows. That’s all the info I have at this time. #StarCitizen
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/928241589394305029QuoteYeah, because it's going to be easy to spot those no longer there. But that's nuthin'. It's only the beginning of what comes next. Wait and see. At least you will have the memories.
"[my twitch name] is STARCITIZENAA, because you know I was dedicating my life to that damn game. Now I'm gonna be playing SOUTH PARK or DESTINY 2. Forget it, I'm gonna start a new show, it's gonna be called DS DAY.":vince:
Quoad with any form of the indicative means "as long as." To make quoad mean "until", you need the subjunctive.
"Faithful as long as we will die" is ridiculous.
The reason they got into this trap is that they didn't want to use "dum", a much easier adverb to work with. But it looks like "dumb", which they are.
I'm too disappointed. they just deleted a post i started an hour ago to say not to expect 3.0 anytime soon.
I'm concierge and you dare to delete my post on this forum. Shame on you. No free speech on this forum.
im not disappointed, im fucking disappointed.
lmao, Jester using an alt account to advertise black market services on the refunds subreddit. Now I've seen it all.
Exhibit A: this post by one Ivan_SC advertising black market shit on /refunds
(https://i.imgur.com/KErqbtj.png)
Exhibit B: Jester responding to comments in that thread with comments clearly written as "Ivan" lol. These comments don't exist because as soon as he realized the issue he deleted them, but since he's flagged for manual comment approval they're still in the modmail. Whoops!
(https://i.imgur.com/aVBMCQ5.png)
It's a common issue if you use their app - it'll show you PMs and comment replies for all your accounts regardless of which one you're currently signed in as. It also lets you respond to them, and doesn't show you which account you're logged in as until after lol. Reddit is shit.
https://i.imgur.com/UqSFbsI.jpg
Meanwhile, over at the targeted harassment hate sub (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/7cdhmb/meta_finally_a_slow_news_day_discussing_the/)
They've lost all the credibility they thought they had within the space of 5 minutes of Jester fucking up, so they're just going to shut it down, lmao
"I've said it before and I'll say it again. Throughout the history of the internet people have told themselves "I'm going to be the one that gets into an internet argument with Derek Smart, owns him hardcore and shuts him up once and for all" and every single one that has tried have all gone through with their attempts in exactly the same ways. You've seen it most recently on Reddit with his fanclub, or with guys like MoMA. You saw it with Chris Roberts. Now you're seeing it with obey-the-fist!
It's like watching an ever increasing number of people try to put out a fire with their hands, with each one is going "Hah! Those idiots couldn't do it because their hands aren't big enough! Mine are larger and I'm going to spit on them so they're moist! I'll show this fire who's boss!"
Burn them down, one by one! :cop:
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Hello members of the community and visitors.
As of November 13th, 2017, this subreddit has been placed in archive mode. We would like to thank everyone who contributed to this archive over the past two years. When it was started we never thought it'd remain active this long as our intention was to keep it only until CIG could release 3.0 (or, any minimum viable product). Future prospects would then be able make their own judgement based on free flights, youtube videos and community word of mouth.
Well, shame on us, CIG is still (as of today) working on getting Star Citizen 3.0 Alpha to a suitable public release state. We feel that despite not having a mass launch ready, recent demonstrations and content leaks from early 3.0 testers have put enough material online to loosely allow people to make their own decisions. From that, we feel that this subreddit has reached a point in its lifespan where it is no longer necessary to refute Derek Smart's claims as CIG's work is at a point to speak for itself.
In addition, the content and repetition of Derek's daily claims have eroded to such a point over the past several months (as seen by the content still posted on the front page) that there's no use in discussing it further. Allegations of racism, targeted attacks on specific community members and consistent legal threats show that there's really nothing left in the toolbox capable of damaging the project. Therefore, by removing this discussion platform we are accomplishing several goals, some of which may be obvious and some of which likely aren't. This subreddit is arguably Derek Smart's largest audience and now it has been silenced by his own doing. As requested, here are the subreddit traffic stats as we believe in backing up our claims with proof. While Derek may continue to bluster with legal threats and personal attacks, they will reach a severely diminished audience. We have been consistently clear that such behaviour will not be tolerated here and this is our stand to show that we believe no one should be subject to such abuse for any reason, let alone voicing support for a video game. Please take a minute to let that sink in.
Moving forward, a new subreddit may be started by the existing members of this community. It (likely) will not be affiliated with this subreddit or it's moderation however we will include a redirect post to allow new users to find it. It was decided that a handoff of this subreddit to new moderation was not in the best interest of the archive at this time.
This subreddit will remain in its current view-only format indefinitely, pending a viable reason to change it (for instance, a request from reddit admin or CIG to set it to private or an overwhelming resurgence of moderator willingness to revive the project).
Comments will be allowed for the next week, at which time AutoModerator will be set to remove all future comments.
Thank you to (mostly) everyone for your time and contributions, and thanks for all the fish.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Throughout the history of the internet people have told themselves "I'm going to be the one that gets into an internet argument with Derek Smart, owns him hardcore and shuts him up once and for all" and every single one that has tried have all gone through with their attempts in exactly the same ways. You've seen it most recently on Reddit with his fanclub, or with guys like MoMA. You saw it with Chris Roberts. Now you're seeing it with obey-the-fist!
It's like watching an ever increasing number of people try to put out a fire with their hands, with each one is going "Hah! Those idiots couldn't do it because their hands aren't big enough! Mine are larger and I'm going to spit on them so they're moist! I'll show this fire who's boss!" - SomethingAwful WiseAss
There are some serious delusions in that farewell thread.
What exactly did they win? SC still isn't out...not even remotely close. 3.0 is a fucking trainwreck that will NEVER be fixed. They lost their voice, DS still has his.
So remind me again, in what bizzaro world did they "win"?
Derek, congratulations for seeing off that reddit hate thread.
Hopefully all those guys will be reading this blog and fuming about it. :laugh:
From that, we feel that this subreddit has reached a point in its lifespan where it is no longer necessary to refute Derek Smart's claims as CIG's work is at a point to speak for itself
I have seen some really weird shit overthere, but somehow they managed to top it all with their closing statement :vince:
Maybe it's time to do a re-run series of some of your better Tweets? Mass lay-offs, 3.0 not being ready, all the breaking news items, those things. No place for them to get mad about them and then having to witness that you were actually right. :dance:
Maybe it's time to do a re-run series of some of your better Tweets? Mass lay-offs, 3.0 not being ready, all the breaking news items, those things. No place for them to get mad about them and then having to witness that you were actually right. :dance:
Meanwhile, back at the farm...
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/burndown-production-schedule-megathread-nov-9th-20/628713
So the Reddit fanatics now seem to be turning on each other over the continuing delays:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7dvszl/stop_the_disinformation/
One guy quotes the ATV figures, then someone accuses them of misinformation. It all seems to be about the definition of an issues vs a bug - which hardly seems to justify the argument that has erupted.
I think they're in full Cognitive Dissonance mode. Half of what they're ranting at each other makes no sense. Unsurprisingly Derek's name came up:QuoteIt doesn't help when you someone, like Derek Smart, that lies about what 179 issues means. They keep on claiming that CIG are lying by saying there are only "179 bugs" when in fact there are many many more bugs than that. But these people do not realize that 179 issues are issues they want to get rid of before going to the next phase, and does not mean those are the only bugs in the game. But those liars will continue with their attack on the game.
Hilarious :laugh:
I like the concept of paying additional money to get a card so that you can spend more money and time driving to a party where you can meet the guy who scammed you out of at least $1000 in the first place.
This is some next level shit.
I like the concept of paying additional money to get a card so that you can spend more money and time driving to a party where you can meet the guy who scammed you out of at least $1000 in the first place.
This is some next level shit.
Yeah, it's incredible. :laugh:
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Daniel_40 19 hours ago
I wonder how much you would have paid to suck his Dick?
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VerrucktKumpelnew 18 hours ago
If an Anvil Lightning comes out , I'll do it
Meanwhile, over on Reddit, Gorf is typing (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7f1y2c/a_few_question_from_a_star_citizen_fan/dq9kshg/?sh=f48eb135&st=JADHTXT3) :laugh:DELICIOUS! :haw:
All of the stupid suckers kicking in $10 to "subscribe" and get 3.0 a week or two early. Jackasses.
ROTFLMAO!! Stay for the comments :laugh:
EDIT: The really shitty part of this, though, is when this game fails, people like him will just turn around and say :"Oh well, I got 500$ worth of fun out of this . That's how the cookie crumbles. You weren't really expecting them to do everything ,right? We had our fun dreaming, now it's time to move on and forget about it, right guys :3:? "
I love how the goal line is now an acceptable 10 years. I guess their "go-to" chart is irrelevant now:And you gotta love how cherry-picked this chart is too. No games that started its development after '07. It only lists SC as 3 years as opposed to 5 going on 6 years...
(https://i.imgur.com/79l4dDd.jpg)
I love how the goal line is now an acceptable 10 years. I guess their "go-to" chart is irrelevant now:I thought SC initially started development in 2011?
(https://i.imgur.com/79l4dDd.jpg)
I thought SC initially started development in 2011?
The idea of you saying to ANYONE that Star Citizen is _________ because of them is hilarious, because you are unanimously the reason that the community is so polarized and full of double down syndrome.
So I let him have it.
So I let him have it.
Derek, as a non-native English speaker, I really appreciate your periodical online language classes! Thanks to you, I've managed to expand my daily use vocabulary quite a bit in the past year. Today's introduction to boot-licking Trumpettes, peanut-basted fruitcakes and strawberry flavored condoms was worth the price of admission alone… :D
So I let him have it.
Derek, as a non-native English speaker, I really appreciate your periodical online language classes! Thanks to you, I've managed to expand my daily use vocabulary quite a bit in the past year. Today's introduction to boot-licking Trumpettes, peanut-basted fruitcakes and strawberry flavored condoms was worth the price of admission alone… :D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
No seriously, as I posted, these guys are 100% RESPONSIBLE for how we ended up here.
And then CIG crashes. All of that money gone. How do you go on from there and how did you get there in the first place? It's beyond me...
No seriously, as I posted, these guys are 100% RESPONSIBLE for how we ended up here.
QuoteNo seriously, as I posted, these guys are 100% RESPONSIBLE for how we ended up here.
His stream and others like him are also partially if not majorly responsible for the misled expectations, salt, and trolling and dissing of ED development and
the game itself on the ED forums imo. I was late following this mess, but I had seen FTR's pretentious videos for the past year. He's just a fugktard with a
stupid over-cussing stream now trying to appear blameless and hilariously even clueless about you being right for so long. I remember when he often dissed Elite: Dangerous
in comparison to Star Citizen's "future" glory in earlier streams. Then it was hilarious when he did his "refund" video a few months back trying to act all angrily justified
when all he really had was egg on his face for being so wrong and barking it up as the biggest fool. He said he refunded then lamely claims he still
"believes" SC would get made the way their ponzi marketing described it. Fools like him are ignorant young streaming twats of this yt generation
who don't value honesty and admit they wrong in a simple civilized debate turning it into a useless ego-drama war.
It's nothing to do with that. For those of us who have developed multiplayer games, it almost always starts out as a single player session with stub code for all the networking bits which you later fill in. And that off-line mode is valuable for testing because without the actual data set earlier on, you have no idea how you need to streamline your code down the road.
And that's typically the problem that Star Citizen has. They somehow figured that - untouched - the baseline CryEngine network layer was adequate. It wasn't - as anyone who has played a CryEngine multiplayer game will tell you. But they decided, wtf, we're just going to make an MMO anyway.
Having done that, knowing that they're never - ever - getting an MMO out of this shit-show, they decided to focus on other things, while making minor to subtle revisions to the network layer in order to be able to actually come up with a proper client-server (FYI CryEngine base networking is peer-to-peer, but you can hack in a client-server model if you wanted to). It's how the PU came to be, whereby they were touting "persistence" despite the fact that there was nothing actually persistent (db store and pulls are not persistence) about it.
So, right now in 3.0, hype aside - with zero optimizations to their networking - each client in a serssion sends in excess of 4K bytes (I shit you not, fire up Wireshark and see) per second to the server. The server response is over 160K bytes - to every fucking client. This is only part of the reason why the server shits itself so frequently.
However, there is NO fixing their networking layer without ripping it all out. They know this - that's why they haven't touched it. And even though they have yet to switch to LumberYard's own implementation (LY deprecated the base CryEngine networking), even doing that won't help because that too wasn't designed for large scale networking.
The end result? As I've written over and over, they're never - ever - getting an MMO out of this. If they don't collapse in the short-term, and somehow limp (they won't - they're fucked, it's just not news yet) along putting bandaid on the PU until they shit out SQ42, the closest they're ever going to get to meaningful multiplayer, is precisely where they are right now, but with fewer clients.
This is the kind of thing you can expect more updates on once patches with these updated systems (remember what is often referred to as "the Network Code Revamp" is actually improvements to several different systems alongside the addition of new ones that all work in conjunction with one other) go to Evocati/PTU/Live. It's when we get to put these systems into widespread practice that we'll begin to see the fruits of these labors, gauge how successful they are, and continue to iterate throughout the entire 3.x series of patches.
DiscoLando says:QuoteThe entire 3.x series of patches you say. Remember when the networking fix was supposed to be in a long time ago?
Just think of how incompetent one would have to be to reach the starry heights of croberts. How many ships have been reworked, some twice or more? How much effort has been put into making pointless animations or capturing useless motion data? Some things are completely unnecessarily detailed right now, and then you compare that against networking, which is barely past nonexistent.
A robust network setup should have been the first thing implemented after getting ships flying around, not the...87th thing.
More hilarity as the SC sub reddit denizens turn on each other:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7h8r2r/i_hate_it_when_someone_says_its_been_6_years_in/
Some idiot (50 upvotes after 4 hours) is trying to argue that SC has actually been in development for 3.5 years. Even the zealots are finding fault with this one.
More hilarity as the SC sub reddit denizens turn on each other:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7h8r2r/i_hate_it_when_someone_says_its_been_6_years_in/
Some idiot (50 upvotes after 4 hours) is trying to argue that SC has actually been in development for 3.5 years. Even the zealots are finding fault with this one.
What always makes me wonder is how many people are arguing about it being X years since they started working on it, when the more interesting metric would be which first release estimate they'd given us.
More hilarity as the SC sub reddit denizens turn on each other:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7h8r2r/i_hate_it_when_someone_says_its_been_6_years_in/
Some idiot (50 upvotes after 4 hours) is trying to argue that SC has actually been in development for 3.5 years. Even the zealots are finding fault with this one.
The sequence - as I understand it - is essentially
2011 - Development of Star Citizen (original) begins
2012 - October; Kickstarter launches
2013 - September; F42 incorporated
2013 - October 18; $23 million (the figure at which no outside investor is needed) raised
2015 - April, Foundry 42 Frankfurt created
2017 - January, 2.6 released
2017 - December, 3.0 released (presumed)
2011 to 2017, gives 6 years, heading onto 7. All that pre-production work? it counts as part of the game development.
I do note that there seems to be some confusion about when CIG was actually founded.
Some sites give a date of 2010, some of 2012. CIGs own site apparently once said 2011, but that page has been removed. I'd be inclined to go with 2010 myself as there had to be somebody doing the work in 2011 when development started.
You know though, I think in full fairness CIG hadn't REALLY ramped up until Q1 of this year. So if you think about it, it's actually been in development less than a year!
Bravo CIG, looking good in such a short time period!
Star Citizen Defense Playbook:
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* What are you talking about? I just spent <X> hours playing the game it's great/runs great/no bugs/perfectly smooth/amazing.
Can we add? I'm missing Stop spreading FUD.
Meanwhile, over on Spectrum
[img]https://i.imgur.com/mdG3k2V.png[img]
And from the archives, this is Sandi Gardiner in 2014 for that competition, pretending (I didn't break the news until July 2015) she wasn't married to croberts
*MOVED*
FailureToReport being open and honest about why he finally joined us on the dark side
It's my understanding the charity route already had been filled to the max. So he's probably doing OK. Better than I am...
Thank you /r/starcitizen_refunds for providing me with the information I needed to ensure that I got this back.
I started this refund process around the time that 3.0 dropped to us in Evocati. After seeing it first hand and realizing it wasn't the dream patch that it was touted to be, I finally accepted that I wasn't going to be getting what was promised some years ago.
It might be worthy of a simple $60 someday, though.
As a related side note: I do admit that I have a problem when it comes to space games. I can't help myself and end up buying into the newest space game to play it early or just to help support them. Hopefully, this will finally break me of that habit.
I'm intrigued by that line about how they submit manual refunds once a week. So they're definitely getting enough refund requests that they've implemented a process to batch them all into one day as opposed to a more ad hoc style.
Not sure if the latest FailureToReport video was shared yet. Man, look at those down votes :laugh:
I'm starting to think Chris actually meant that every player has to run his own server in order to get the highest levels of fidelity. If you can't run your own server, this isn't a game for you :D
Looks like they've started preparing for the worse case scenario
What framerate will you be happy with once 3.0 goes live? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7j8mwh/what_framerate_will_you_be_happy_with_once_30/?sort=new)
I'm starting to think Chris actually meant that every player has to run his own server in order to get the highest levels of fidelity. If you can't run your own server, this isn't a game for you :D
2019: A wealthy Chinese businessman and passionate Star Citizen backer shows off his server rig running the latest 3.0.1q-384772 patch in Evocati. „If you hop in immediately after reboot, you can get frame rates as high as 15 fps“ he gloats proudly. By the way, the Chinese inscription on the server reads „Derek Smart Was Right, But He’s Still an #%$&“.
(http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170522174852-06-supercomputers-sunway-taihulight-super-169.jpg)
No backer can deny that CIG went with CryEngine. And no backer can deny that CryEngine just sued CIG. So this news will hit them hard. They can't shake this off that easily. And this landing just before the release of SQ42 news that probably won't contain much news at all will hit CIG hard. Very hard. Prepare for the final stage of the ELE guys. Hang on to yourJPEGshats!
Ok, you know what? I was extremely skeptical about the "cult" thing, but no, that pretty much seals the deal for me. That's .... just wrong.
I'll 100% concede this: Derek Smart was right about them being a cult, cause I have no idea how that can make sense otherwise.
Talk about duckspeak.... :monocle:
It's mind blowing how much they're still going on about "BUT IT'S JUST IN ALPHA GUYS, STOP COMPLAINING". Like, is there some limit where they won't accept it anymore? I'm not even sure. (Never mind that it's maybe 20% of the way to being an alpha)
Maybe at 8 years and $200 million? 12 years and $500 million? We all know it won't last that long but it's just a thought experiment that these fanboys should take on. Is there any point at which you would doubt or is it full blown cult time?
The latest line from the cultists is that Crytek is just a failing company looking for a quick cash grab without giving one thought about the irony of that statement as it applies nicely to CIG.
I feel sorry for all the CIG devs who didn't see this coming - not a great Christmas present. But then again, they'll be better off NOT working for Chris Roberts in the long run.
I'm starting to think Chris actually meant that every player has to run his own server in order to get the highest levels of fidelity. If you can't run your own server, this isn't a game for you :D
2019: A wealthy Chinese businessman and passionate Star Citizen backer shows off his server rig running the latest 3.0.1q-384772 patch in Evocati. „If you hop in immediately after reboot, you can get frame rates as high as 15 fps“ he gloats proudly. By the way, the Chinese inscription on the server reads „Derek Smart Was Right, But He’s Still an #%$&“.
(http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170522174852-06-supercomputers-sunway-taihulight-super-169.jpg)
:five: :five: :five:
Just in case you wondered, this is the guy (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7k047s/apology_thread_for_derek_smart_and_sentient/drajqmf/) :laugh:
This 850+ point Reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7j297i/dayz_is_dead_four_years_in_early_access/dr3ef7y/) is about the death of DayZ, and how it compares to Star Citizen. You should read it.It perfectly described the reasons why I never touch Early Access games ever again after Star Citizen. Every time some outlet tries to promote $GAME to me as the hottest shit to be finished in two years, I just tell them to come back when it's finished. And guess what: 99 % of that "exciting" stuff including the game and developer is long forgotten, when the due date finally arrives.
what they're showing next week is just another trailer
I suppose it is better than just showing a toilet trader..
I think you're confused. Toilet trading is part of the cargo career in Star Citizen, not the FPS SQ42.
Good on that guy. I know the most tragic part of this whole situation is the whales who are throwing in money that they can't actually afford. I think it really is one of those situations where the culty atmosphere just makes it seem 'normal' to put $10,000+ into a video game, and then before you know it you're in debt all over the place.
First land claim now tanks.
1) This was supposed to be a SPACEGAME
2) This was supposed to be released in 2014
3) This was NOT supposed to burn pledge money in a lawsuit against Crytek which we backers are not supposed to talk about ... BECAUSE it's not our money burned (anymore)
4) Ship sales were supposed to be stopped on relaese (which was supposed to be in2014) Now we have land (claim) sales and tank sales
And still this screwed up community in this brainwashed reddit is fine with that. Go love yourselfs, when they sell you virtual loot boxes - because of incompentence to implement them ingame.
Stop lying, advertising, milking and scripting and get actually something done!
Edit: Downvote suckers, just downvote, it won't deliver a fucking game!
I like that guy, whoever he is. He's honest, he's had enough, everyone can tell, and I personally fully respect that.
"Stop lying, advertising, milking and scripting and get actually something done!"
---> That's what I'm saying since 2015, I've asked everyone to stop giving CIG money ever since. But hey, I can't force anyone, I can just say how I see things and be happy when someone is allowed to use their brain.
It's sad enough that these things go out to Reddit because you'd get banned on Sprectrum if you would ever post concerns like these. Personally, I don't believe in God and think that any kind of religion is only there to keep people in check. But this, exactly this is the same mechanics as the church used about 700 years ago to maintain power. Remember what happened to them? Nothing. People still find the church attractive, even without Jpegs, it's just a believe system. So is Star Citizen.
Excuse me please when I crossed some borders with this statement, I don't mind anyone believing in anything, I am fine with you folks, whatever makes you happy. I just stated the obvious, no offence.
It's sad enough that these things go out to Reddit because you'd get banned on Sprectrum if you would ever post concerns like these. Personally, I don't believe in God and think that any kind of religion is only there to keep people in check. But this, exactly this is the same mechanics as the church used about 700 years ago to maintain power. Remember what happened to them? Nothing. People still find the church attractive, even without Jpegs, it's just a believe system. So is Star Citizen.
Excuse me please when I crossed some borders with this statement
Everything going on this planet serves a purpose.
No, it doesn't. There is absolutely no point in being alive. No matter how you look at it, our existence is meaningless and pointless. There is nothing "higher" about it.
You know things are BAD when one of your dedicated streamers starts writing blogs (https://medium.com/@baron_52141/star-citizen-delays-as-a-content-creator-98c5235adf4e). This is the most sad and pathetic thing I have ever read regarding this project.
My Twitter thread (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/944226021083090944)
In a delicious bit of irony, I think it's clear that he doesn't know a damn thing about game development if he thinks this is par for the course.If your company gets sued, it's almost Game Over.
That list of games is very nice, but in their 6th year of development those games were wrapping up final touches or heading into their final year of development. Star Citizen is at the same point and they're not even midway through development.
Let's imagine they have infinite money. This thing still wouldn't be 'done' until at least a decade of development. What a crackpot.
Everything i need to know about that guy, is that he's from Marketing. I could rant about marketing guys and their intelligence insulting marketing bullshit for months. Sadly people really fall for their bullshit.
In a delicious bit of irony, I think it's clear that he doesn't know a damn thing about game development if he thinks this is par for the course.
That list of games is very nice, but in their 6th year of development those games were wrapping up final touches or heading into their final year of development. Star Citizen is at the same point and they're not even midway through development.
Let's imagine they have infinite money. This thing still wouldn't be 'done' until at least a decade of development. What a crackpot.
Er no.
There are some very bright and able people working in Marketing.
This chump isn't one of them !
That is an absolutely cringe worthy post. I can't believe he's not embarrassed to have that attached to his name. This is like a non-ironic version of that Rick and Morty copypasta.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he has a Pepe avatar.
He is such a POS liar. He says "they have met every single stretch goal. Everything you see here is done" at 11:05.
Derek Smart
2 seconds ago
I have a question. Were you drunk when @ 11:05 you claimed that they had met every stretch goal?
You see, this is why we keep track, and why only devout backers need pay ANY attention to what you guys ( have a vested interest in lying) have to say. This is a COMPLETE list of everything Chris promised. Even discounting 3.0, they haven't even made it to 18% completed yet. After 6 yrs and $175M.
https://starcitizentracker.github.io/
Just finished the SC video from Montoya which is very disingenuous on the completion aspect of the game. If SC should ever collapse I hope a very in-depth legal investigation takes places concerning the backers money.
A certain type of "gobshite" as they are known in the North of England !
He strikes me as a bit thick however, as he possesses some presentation skills and is outgoing, too many people think he knows what he is talking about.
A certain type of "gobshite" as they are known in the North of England !
From my experience the zealots never let the facts get in the way of their adoration for Star Citizen. #Notacult
Scott Manley takes on 3.0, and the comments are everything you expect
No, it's a message from the AI system that it needs improving.
Yeah, I was actually aghast when he said that.
I left him a message. I'm probably getting banned.
Talonsbane is very mean spirited person for the death remark and the same for those that liked the post. I do not wish any physical harm on Chris or any of those that work with him. I would like to see legal action taken to expose the finances which could harm Chris financially. But if Chris and his relatives used the money inappropriately then its self inflicted.
Guy loads up the game, while waiting for it to load, he goes off to play with his dog.
I'm personally not aware of any game that's achieved what CIG is trying to achieve with SC. ED comes close, but their plan is to spread it out over a longer period - CIG want most of what ED will have in future content, to be at release.
Meanwhile, over there (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/396642-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v8?p=6253216&viewfull=1#post6253216)
That probably would be easier to follow if the original post had been quoted
i just would like to know,Violating CryTek's intellectual property, I guess.
what they did between:
"we are sorry, but it was a close decision not to show squadron on gamescom 08/2016. we don't want to show unfinished stuff and it just needs a bit more polish"
and:
"here we have a very early work in progress demo, laggy as hell, 24h hours delay in 12/2017."
Twerk17 - Very sad and sick to wish harm on someone that says something you do not like. This seems to be the norm in many circles which is sad, looking at any thread where people are discussing nvdia vs amd, amd vs intel etc. They are so mean to one another over something so trivial. One thing that seems innate is people do like to hear the truth, I'm pointing my finger back at myself as I did not want to accept Derek's posts. But not once have I thought or wished harm on Derek or anyone for that matter that I disagreed with.
LOL!! The Shillizen who backed out of debating (he would have been crushed, of course) me live on @GameTalkLive a few weeks ago, is back again. It's cringe-worthy and hilarious. They're all doing disaster control, following the 3.0 disaster release
This is the sort of thing that Star Citizen cult members will totally do, if they could
I fear for my life and that of my wife and two small children when @dsmart incites this kind of behavior! #GamersUnite to fight this toxicity! After what happened in Kansas, its enough! @Charlie_L_Hall #noswat
In light of the recent tragedy of an innocent man being killed after being doxxed and swatted, we as a community need to come together and condemn those who use doxxing as a means of intimidation! @Polygon @MassivelyOP #GamersUnite #noswat
I and my entire organization of gamers send our deepest condolences to the family of the young man whose life was so tragically cut short. Let this be a lesson to people like @dsmart who have a history of doxxing that there could be dangerous repercussions to their actions.
You truly are despicable scum. Taking the tragic death of a fellow gamer to further your on-going attacks against someone saying bad things about a video game scam you all profit from.
Chris Roberts destroyed Star Citizen. You guys destroyed the community.
D Smart Doxxed Chris and Sandi Roberts kids to the point they had to sent a Cease and Desist. This is widely known in the SC Community.
Dolvak, one day, you & your buddies are going to get sued for defamation. Then you're going to show, among other things, how retweeting social media links is doxing.
It's interesting that you guys never post the C&D, nor my attorney's scathing response.
I have warned you guys, time & time again, that there is NO version of this fiasco whereby u guys don't answer for what u have done. I am notorious for being extremely patient & resilient. So do carry on. I'm glad that Montoya has now added himself to the legal action list
In today's episode of @dsmart criticizes @dsmart. With that, I would like to call for a cease fire as we settle in to enjoy new year celebrations. Best wishes to all, and mean everybody, even you!
Basically, you claiming that I doxxed a kid (also FALSE) in a wheelchair, despite it being FALSE, is you supporting that "kid" and his friends in their attempt to SWAT and possibly have me killed. As if I don't have enough death threats from Star Citizen backers.
That incident, was the impetus for my Tweet in relation to the Kansas SWATing incident, which you then proceeded to use to attack me over Star Citizen.
But don't worry, you will get your chance to explain how exactly it is that any of this is doxing. https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/946812430788816896
You continue to publicly accuse me of illegal activity, despite knowing it to be FALSE.
Nick Butler (NitroTypat) was 19 back in 2015 when him and his friends discussed SWATing me.
archive.is/h9BMi
He was identified & reported using social media data
If you are serious and want to formulate an educated opinion, then I will be happy to help. Here he is doxxing a kid in a wheelchair https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/3rs5vq/compiling_a_list_of_predictions_and_allegations/cwrc863/
has now publicly threatened to dox me after I said I was fearful for the safety of my family and I don't want to be doxxed. After what happened in Kansas I am very concerned! Hugging my kids a lot today.
Im sorry to have angered you. I, like most people, live month to month. I don't have money for any lawyers. I would never wish bankruptcy on anybody, its a terrible thing.
4) The gamer shooting in Kansas happened and I Tweeted this
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/946812430788816896
To be fair to all sides, given the tragedy of the situation, I have to say that I found this tweet of yours to be in poor taste.
Regardless of your intent, it does come across...strongly...as using the tragedy to push your own argument.
IMO...it would have been better to leave it alone and to have done nothing more than issue a statement of commiseration. Mentioning the tragedy in this manner comes across as rather crass, regardless of the point you were trying to make.
I'm not defending the tweet, but note that the tweet doesn't single anybody out, just a non-specific group, nor does it incite hatred towards said group. Poor taste would be the limit of the criticism in this case. Contrast this with the stance Montoya took in his last video where he spends most of the time effectively inciting hatred towards a single individual. There's a huge difference.
To be fair to all sides, given the tragedy of the situation, I have to say that I found this tweet of yours to be in poor taste.
Regardless of your intent, it does come across...strongly...as using the tragedy to push your own argument.
IMO...it would have been better to leave it alone and to have done nothing more than issue a statement of commiseration. Mentioning the tragedy in this manner comes across as rather crass, regardless of the point you were trying to make.
I simply feel Derek Smarts post was...IMO...in poor taste and, whether it was meant to or not, gave the impression he was using the tragedy to push a personal vendetta.
Others may feel differently, but again IMO the correct thing to do would simply have been to offer condolences to the family.
Could the "real population" be far less than presented?See here: http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg6839#msg6839
Yeah, I'm thinking he's mad? FF to 27:26. It's amazingThat was epic, :lol:
That was epic, :lol:
The fps are absolutely pathetic, if they ever add vr as promised it will be the barf simulator.
Yeah, I'm thinking he's mad? FF to 27:26. It's amazing
This whole video is pretty good for schadenfreude if you're looking to burn some time.
1) Game freezes immediately at the start of the video.
2) Reloading takes 70 seconds.
3) Cutlass Black is lost due to the freeze, reclaiming it takes 85 minutes, reduced to 7.5 minutes if you pay to expedite the claim. (Note: expedited processing fees seem to be waived currently).
3) It takes him 12 minutes of space combat action to kill a single NPC fighter guarding the mission objective.
4) After grabbing the mission objective box floating in space and re-entering his ship, the local physics grid ejects him and he is stuck paralyzed in space, with no working controls.
5) He suicides and flies back out to the mission site in another ship. The mission objective box is still sitting inside his previous ship but is glitched and cannot be picked up.
6) He attempts to quantum travel back to Olisar but QT is not working and removes control of the ship, fixable only by exiting the pilot seat. Another NPC ship comes and takes his shields down to critical while he's sitting, immobilized.
7) Suicide, respawn, and rant.
All this takes place at sub-20 fps, except for dips down to 3-5 fps during items 5 and 6.
His rant at the end gloriously missed the point as well. He's obviously upset at the whole thing, and he's ranting at CIG about how the quality of Live is lower than the PTU etc. Just ranting and raving and not having any of the "It's just an Alpha" excuses slow him down. While I enjoy the salt, I'm still blown away - absolutely mind blown - how much he's missing the point. And it's not just him - every streamer, every backer, missing the procedurally-generated forest for the high-fidelity trees.
It doesn't matter that CIG released the game in this state to the Live environment. The frame-rate doesn't matter. The patch cycle doesn't matter. This guy needs to get something through his head - he can't treat CIG like a game development company because CIG is not a game development company. They are a company creating digital assets for sale, and they're attempting to cobble together an online world in which to use those assets. The company is led by a non-game developer who is not qualified, and in fact uniquely unqualified to do his job, and the company has produced nothing, has no history, and no path forward. Holding them to the standards of a game development company is unbelievably stupid.
That's one part of it.
The next part is the assumption that CIG gives a flying fuck about what they release to the PTU or whatnot as if it's all part of normal game testing and deployment. It isn't. Every single byte of code that lands on the PTU, or anywhere else, is done for purely optic reasons - not to do anything for backers or the people who have funded this. It's to create gaming journal headlines like "Long-Awaited 3.0 Patch Goes Live" just in time for backers to spend their Christmas money on Chris's lies again. It's so they can create a false narrative of progress (like how 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, now 3.0, are all numbers going up hence progress and not a scam at all guys). So when this guy rants and raves about the relative quality of what's released to "Test" vs. "Live" my stomach actually hurts as I realize how naive he is - going into this with the belief that the "Test" and "Live" environments are being used as if Chris understands them, how they're used, why they're used, etc. It literally hurts to listen to.
Dear Streamer: if you haven't already, please take a few hours out of your life and go watch The Truman Show. Then come to the realization that Chris Roberts is doing the exact same thing with Star Citizen. That's why there are so many videos which they are peddling as "open development." It explains why the highest possible fidelity assets were built before the engine was done. It explains why they don't patch properly or test properly. Or do anything properly. I realize the awakening to the fact that Star Citizen has devolved into a scam is a painful one, but that pain is worth it. Once you get past it, instead of banging your head against the wall trying to understand this project, you will actually be able to predict its course.
Example: soon there will be a concept ship sale. No matter the state of the game at the time, no matter the bug count, no matter the lawsuit status - there will be a ship sale. Anything and everything CIG can do to move dollars from your bank account to theirs is their #1 priority all day and all night, 365 days of the year. Stop throwing yourself against this brick wall - there's nothing on the other side.
Meanwhile, over on SA
Bovis (the data analytics dude):
Scruffpuff:
LOL!! Oh, now he's feeling ripped off? :lol
Star Citizen - Masterpiece or Pay to Win Technical Nightmare?
LOL!! Oh, now he's feeling ripped off? :lol
Dissent is not allowed someone needs to tell him to hand over his CR Commander Cap and then get a refund.
But I do have some empathy the original pitched game was an exciting announcement.
Another good video, he also quotes development started by CR that started a year before pitching the game is now known to be a lie.
You don't want to think what will happen to these kind of backers when CIG crashes and all the money is just gone.
Sympathy ?
This *unt, Citizen Armadildo, has had his head buried up his *hit pipe for years....
The most shocking Star Citizen related thing (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7qq8vq/question_to_my_fellow_citizens/) you will read today.
His son is in hospital with a coma.
He wants a refund to help with medical bills.
But he's concerned CIG will close his account after the refund.
Seriously.
Gorf wrote up a post about Batgirl's latest video.
YOUTUBE: Batgirl’s State of the Game, January 13th
I do as this is not an easy world to live in, I've been stolen from in my businesses twice
including family and friends over the years. I do not like to see anyone stolen from even if they have helped
to create the situation knowingly or unknowingly. This individual was much like myself before
I started researching the information that many were providing that something was amiss.
Considering the fiasco that is SC, I give them credit on the ability to smile and provide a slick YouTube videos.
The average person without knowledge of the situation could easily be taken in by them.
LOL!! Watch
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/220671107?t=58m29s
The C**t with the silly tache is laughing at the ongoing rip off but I bet he hasnt asked for his refund....
Yeah, they're all morons. One and all.
Not sure where to post this one but they are on to you Derek, the gig is up.
This tells me how deceived they are on reddit to always resort to calling someone
you with a dissenting opinion.
Yeah that's not new. They see me all opposing views as coming from a Derek Smart alt.
For those of you new to the spectacle, meet the guy who made the Imagine Star Citizen trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=VwCvDUcglrY
Seriously have CIG even made any of their own marketing? It turned out that Crytek made the inital Kickstarter trailers that raised millions (which were apparently game material from 2 years of "existing development") :cop: and now it turns out some of the best Youtube trailers were made by some kid in his mom's basement. I mean props to the kid, he did a great video editing job, but what isRaiding the company's coffers before bolting for Switzerland when the jig is up?tickle porn actressexperienced marketing director Sandi Gardiner actually doing?
That's what happens when you decide not to take your meds anymore. Seriously.
It's been one month after the premature disaster launch of 3.0. Ignoring that most of what 3.0 was supposed to be was pushed to 3.1, it is simply unacceptable on all levels that nothing has been done about it. That there is no visible effort to address it. You may say; 3.1 will fix it. And I say; when? This should have been fixed yesterday. And why should I believe that 3.1 will help? They have never delivered in the past. Not one single deadline has ever been met. And most releases have been lacking compared to what they said they would have. So why is 3.1 any different?
I was patient when they missed the original November 2014 release date. I thought it was too optimistic from the start. I was patient when Squadron 42 Episode 1 failed to materialize. I was patient when 2.0 released full of bugs and with nearly no content, thinking they would deliver on their promises for monthly updates. I was patient when Star Marine failed to materialize, thinking it was just a testing module. I was patient when 3.0 was delayed for weeks, then months, then more months, and then a whole year. They said it was almost nearly done in December of 2016. Yet they talked about just having started developing basic features for it in October of 2017. How can both be true? They were blowing smoke up my for an entire year. So why should I believe anything they say now? I don't want to hear any more lies. My patience has run out. I want action now.
You give people for calling it a scam but that's exactly what it looks like. Give me one good reason not to pursue a refund.
Because, you know, the bat shit crazy expectations that get instilled into the community by the community.
self-awareness starts @ 9:23
LOL!! So this happened on the live ED stream
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964204019693453312.html :smuggo:
Great detective work on the backer not even sure what to say. How in the world could a real company even think to treat customers that way. Usually money talks and I could understand working a little harder on this large accounts but she showed complete disregard for the individual. Wonder how much she is costing the company in salary, bad press and refunds, I would like to see the charted.
Conclusion: Dr. Smart's out trolling.
OK, for those of you who lack reading comprehension skills, and are thus mad about the whole speculative Sandi == Kraiklyn | CIG thing, I am willing to debate you in your favorite enclave.
Please meet me at the URL below at sundown. Start without me.
I think it has to be CR, Sandi or inner circle, I do not believe that the person would keep their job. Unless the top brass are completely oblivious to whats going on in the forums with mods. If they were just normal hire I would believe have to believe they would be fired. No way would I let someone act with such disregard and cost my company.
We don't care about any of that. The whole point was to highlight the toxicity and horrid nature of the CS staff, and that the problem is endemic to this company.
I guess I'm in the minority when I say my interaction with CS was always pleasant, I even met my concierge at Citcon one time, very nice young lady. Refunding was relatively quick and overall a positive experience. I got the copy paste response but they dropped that act by the 2nd e-mail. The only department that actually got anything done at CIG was CS. However, if CR and SG are breathing down their necks to stop giving out refunds I can see why they have gotten a lot more difficult.
Did any of the cultists reply to your twitter thread?
Also, I've just had a thought: the cultists in Far Cry 5 are named "Peggies" (Project at Eden Gate). Well, we could start calling the Star Citizen zealots Peggies aswell after their love of J-PEG-s
Did any of the cultists reply to your twitter thread?
LOL!! This is hilarious. Watch.
Yeah well, we've been saying this for MONTHS now. Glad you woke up to the reality that Star Citizen is pretty much - DEAD
My biggest fear for SC has never been that CIG won't be able to finish it, but that by the time they do, no one will care anymore.no one will care anymore
There's definitely an invisible "deadline" looming somewhere out there (hopefully still ahead of us), after which no matter how well the game is eventually, it will have passed the point where it could have been a blockbuster smash hit.invisible "deadline" (hopefully still ahead of us)
Yeah well, we've been saying this for MONTHS now. Glad you woke up to the reality that Star Citizen is pretty much - DEAD
2.6.1 lasted 42 days this time last year. It had 1500 pilots with 1hr+ in Squad Battle. 3.0, at 60 days has only 90 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7z8uxx/261_lasted_42_days_this_time_last_year_it_had/)
A whale song just went out to Concierge backers:
Holy crap, Derek, you've been posting a lot of junk on that thread with a couple of dozen of your various alts!
Because if not that we'd have to conclude there aren't a lot of happy campers over there ...
That's really shocking. I mean, completely. This is my shocked face ---> :magical:
I think some people MISSED the point of that epic trolling Twitter thread (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964204019693453312.html). It was designed to remind everyone about the following:
- about past horrid CS activities
- that Sandi Gardiner, is a horrid person (http://www.dereksmart.com/2016/08/woman-in-gaming-so-what/); especially as portrayed in The Escapist article (https://web.archive.org/web/20170119204020/http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company)
- that most of the people at the top of CS food chain (headed by Sandi), are horrid people. e.g. See Ben Lesnick
- they have no regard for backers who gave them money; that's why they do what they do
- they continue to alienate their whales e.g. See latest $30K exit
The "Sandi is probably Kraiklyn|CIG" (who joined in 2015 (https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5678178/#Comment_5678178) - with ZERO experience in CS) was the only trolling in that thread. And it was there to point out that while that person was also patently horrid, for all intent and purposes, it could very well be Sandi herself. Plus, they all answer to her. Hence this Tweet (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/964250422839074818) below:
This was all plotted on my Discord channel btw. :smuggo:
And of course, as expected, it causes those toxic chuckleheads grief. And since their hate-Reddit on /r/ds was closed, the hope is that they continue to spill their bullshit into either /r/starcitizen or /r/starcitizen_refunds where they get routinely banned :sandance:
This is what his Twitter feed image (https://twitter.com/Kraiklyn_) looked like back on Nov 26, 2015 when he was shilling the Constellation. (https://twitter.com/Kraiklyn_/status/670002685521825792)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362664170254106624/413999007120097280/PsFXiJe.png)
And this a CS refund exchange ticket from 2015, with both Sandi and Kraiklyn|CIG in it. https://pastebin.com/mSM29KZs
So @Twitter - Is it acceptable to permit someone to go hardcore creep, dox and stalk you without consequence? - I am seeing this happen way too often, and you seemingly fail to act on it. It was funny at first...This is just getting creepy now
And he doesn't have the brains to ignore it....
What would be the sense in that? Remember, these guys are a few raisins short of a fruitcake. It's even more hilarious that this was a week ago. But no, he had to start it up again. So now he has my full and undivided attention. These morons forget that Goons are EVERYWHERE. So there is literally NOTHING that they can do to hide abhorrent activities.
Lot to read through not quite sure at times what they are talking about. My take on the evidence presented is they are one big interconnected hive protecting CR and dedicated removing any dissented even if its true and founded?
The moment CIG crashes and she realises that she has wasted over 5 years on this "game" will be excruciating.
The moment CIG crashes and she realises that she has wasted over 5 years on this "game" will be excruciating.
I think she's slowly realizing it now, though some of us feel she (like other backers) are stuck in Battered Wife Syndrome of some sort.
That time when...
Is there a really comprehensive infographic around? something that shows, funding, announced release dates, actual patch dates. dates of some of the big scandals. Dare I say even speculation to the finish line.
I have seen the promises tracker, but its hard to get the true sense of whats going on other than it is not finished.
Well that's a tad hostile. Man, Shitizens are the best.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/80e0qe/how_did_you_feel_about_telling_people_to_wait_for/duvlqii/
So, one raisin short of a fruitcake factory?
I think your analogy "Remember, these guys are a few raisins short of a fruitcake" is not strong enough for this one.
I think this discussion (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/80ycxr/30_is_boring_now/) says it all. The hype is over, Chris has lost the momentum and failing to deliver a decent patch or - more likely - failing to deliver a patch as promised at all, will turn more fanboys away. This game is dead.
No, I don't have link. That was over five years and three forums ago. Those of us who have been around since the beginning know the story behind the prototype and how Star Citizen became a crowdfunding endeavor. Even if there was a chance to find a corresponding thread in the Wordpress abomination that was our website and forum back then, I won't spend probably countless hours crawling through the internet archives to find that thread.
If I remember correctly it was Ben Lesnik who told us about the production of the prototype, that Chris Roberts wrote the bespoke code on top of the of the CryEngine, sometimes on his own, sometimes with the help of tech consultants like Paul Reindell. CGBot was involved in the project until 2014. The very first generation of ships and art assets - the one that you see in the original pitch trailer - were done by them.
Again, all of that is well known to those who have been here since the beginning, but many of the original sources are now hidden deep in some archives from over five years ago. I guess we should probably ask Ben to tell the story again so that we have a fresh source. One small source I can give you right away is this interview with Paul Reindell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2hETOEGt-Q&t=63s) where he talks about how he got involved in the project. Note that he didn't see the prototype until Chris had send him a demo for troubleshooting.
Yes, we know that Shitizens have a knack for revisionist history. But even though Crytek said in their court filings that they made the tech demos - something that CIG didn't even deny or regard in their filings, there are those who still keep saying the opposite (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/81f84p/star_citizen_update_cig_vs_crytek_youtuber_law/dv6k1d8/).
Well....
Isnt a problem with this that although Reindell says he helped Chris with the prototype in his capacity as a Technical Consultant at Crytek, it isnt clear how extensively he helped ?
The 'Tales of Citizens' podcast, one of the longest running since the original 2012 Kickstarter, has bailed. He's lost faith in the game, no longer passionate about it etc.
Interesting that he is not directly blaming cig,
Interesting that he is not directly blaming cig, wonder if the die hard believers have soured the experience for him. Went back and watched his dec 5 video and he did not seem to off towards SC at that time.You'll see why he's jumping ship if you go to his videos tab and switch view to "Most Popular".
I think he is just lying...he just does not want to anger SC Defence Forces, but d/l ratio is 16/7 so...
Interesting that he is not directly blaming cig, wonder if the die hard believers have soured the experience for him. Went back and watched his dec 5 video and he did not seem to off towards SC at that time.
It's not the fault that CIG is taking so long, it's my fault that I don't have the patience.
Interesting vid, but still shouts its something that's never been done before.
You see, the more they claim "it's never been done before", the more likely it is to come true. :rolleyes::emot-lol:
You see, the more they claim "it's never been done before", the more likely it is to come true. :rolleyes:
:emot-lol:
And this looks like is true for other kickstarters too, e.g. System shock fail...
It's amazing. Despite the fact that there is literally NOTHING in the game that hasn't been done before, they've been uttering and spreading that croberts-inspired bullshit forever.
Derek, @Versecast of “Those guys with Ships” org under @HouseGleep command also stopped making SC related content after 190(!!!) episodes
Meanwhile,
LOL!! They want Chris Roberts to step down. :emot-lol:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/84vwnv/an_open_letter_to_cloud_imperium_games/
LOL I will step in and put a note defending the awesome ongoing development of this game.
Well it didn't even survive 10 mins over at the theme park :emote-lol:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/84x59n/an_open_letter_to_cloud_imperium_games/
Idk what 3.5k gets you now with the new gold items but the 3.5k I got back has provided much more fun than SC ever did! I came here a long time ago to see the opposing views and have some laughs at DS. Instead I got my money back, the irony...
Quote from: The Titanic" post="482503378One of the cutest things about Chris is that it always feels like he's out of touch with everything going on around him.
We've only actually seen him try to play his own game one time, and that single time spawned years of hilarious gifs and other things. But the root of it was he had no idea about his own game. He acted and played it as if it was the first time he's ever seen it. He commented on such things as bashing his own chat interface, etc.
So from the standpoint where he really doesn't know and probably most importantly doesn't care about what his own game can actually for real do, all he needs to do is assume. So he goes on record bashing other games and studios because he can only assume his is better. For him though, his assumptions are his for real belief.
This is sort of his wizardry that has helped to keep his dumpster fire burning though. His complete inability to recognize the failure of his game and just blindly ignore its condition and tout it like its better than anything has given people willpower to believe in his lies.
Unfortunately however, because he's also got this sycophantic-like part public and people whom already believe his game is better than most AAA products as is, it's going to be tough for him to believe anything less.
There's a hilarious possibility that all the paid internet management companies he has doing social media crowd control are some of the people he listens to and is told about. It's very likely he has no idea what those users are. So his companies finger on the pulse may be dead set on listening to the people they are paying to turn the tide of belief. Pure misunderstanding.
Now how to explain how they continually make the same amount of money each year even at this stage of doubt and shaking belief? Dunno! :)
My best guess here is there is a larger bank account nobody knows about that is continually piping a set amount of money into CIG at pretty even intervals. May be in the form of those magical "completionist packages" that just randomly get sold about once a day or something but naturally nobody ever claims to be the buyer of. I would be hard pressed to believe any company working via donations would continually make almost the same amount of yearly revenue. Especially when confidence is lowering.
He is the chief emitter of this distorted view, though, due to his amoral character and his myopic biases towards Assets against Mechanics. He’s pathologically addicted to the game loop of selling high poly ultra-fidelity in game assets and robbing his own artists of their design agency by micromanaging even the most trivial details to the Nth degree then telling himself “I am the Master (https://youtu.be/ByYkSuY40AU) and by my touch I have elevated what began as mundane object into priceless art.”
It’s not that he believes his sycophants, its that he demands conformity to his narcissism and micromanagement impulse and organizational survival demands obedience. It drove guys like Jennison out, it’s driven lots of talent out. The talent that remains like Paul Jones or Dearsley or whoever is willing to indulge this fiction of Chris’s transcendent artistry but it is a fiction. The same is no less true of Sandi, who is even less competent — a figure of the highest symbolic power yet utterly inessential to her high station. So inessential that this VP of Marketing for a $180 million dollar gaming studio doesn’t even know basic details of the demonstrations her husband is presenting at their biggest externally-facing marketing event of the year! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LXFlVHD-R4&t=0m26s) If only prickly Pete Hines had it so easy!
Utterly inessential, yet it goes without saying inside CIG that anyone in the organization who might cross this personified hood ornament is out the door. Sycophancy is demanded by Chris and Sandi both and the history of the entire project is a testament to just how malformed organizational processes become under the nepotistic rule of unhinged narcissism.
The fact that lower ego artists yield to Chris’s vanity and engage in a mutually agreed upon act of collusive fiction that in turn justifies the incredible wastes of dev time and backer money is one example of how the pathology of Chris is systemic inside Cloud Imperium Games. It is now and has always been one of the biggest taxes backers pay and just as “The Road To CitizenCon” glamorized one set of pathologies Chris should be profoundly ashamed of, so too “The Origin of Spaceships (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paZYtrgaouw&t=19m12s)” glamorized another set. They are proud of that which they should apologize for because it has been demanded of them for so long that the dysfunction has been normalized.
If 2017 has kept a steadyish pace month to month I’d have believed the Tracker reflected natural ongoing demand, even if it was difficult to believe. But we saw a turnaround miracle in the span of the last 5 weeks that really does suggest manipulation even while an unplayable 3.0 was dumped at the 11th hour. While it’s possible the most far gone of the whales might account for it the sums are such that it’s far easier for me to imagine yet another pathology — an invisible one — very rooted in Chris Roberts precedent (misallocating development money for film FX in the good old days). It would be perfectly in keeping with organizational deviance already made visible elsewhere through close scrutiny.
I can only assume the scoffing from some of the silent observers always in our company that we might posit such a thing. :tinfoil: Madness.
There is infernal, nearly invisible machinery guiding logic and action within Cloud Imperium Games in accordance with the indomitable will of dishonest, vain people. The backers only rarely see it not because it can not be seen but because they do not wish to see it — for once it is fully stared at in all its ghastliness, it cannot be unseen. So too the metronomically grinding gears of this machine, a crunching easily mistaken for some ambient hum of room noise, are made distinct from it with cautious ears and they can not be unheard once discerned.
Do you silent lurkers want to see it? As you sit there shaking your heads, closing your minds and telling yourself it’s not really true, it’s too harsh a view. We can show it to you, but do you really want to see it? Hear it?
If you do, watch this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqX9pBw3Uas&t=41m45s) Closely. @ 41:46
Watch a man laugh to tell a brazen lie he does not believe and ask his brother to confirm it for an audience of thousands. Watch the reflection of his wife’s head as she turns in surprise to hear that request for confirmation go out to the brother, and hear their chuckling as that confirmation is given. See the faces of a team of developers who mostly know it can’t be so — they are half a year from even shooting the motion capture and God knows they haven’t got their AI working nor their missions fully built and there are assets required that haven’t yet been begun and will not for the entire year ahead.
See the discomfort of some, the knowing smiles of others? And hear it conclude as Ben Lesnick of all people blurts out “No more dates!”
Why, you might wonder, did he do so after a room full of people jointly smiled their agreement with the Boss’s ambitious claim for an audience of thousands in the very season of goodwill towards men?
Because he knew it wasn’t so. They all knew. They knew it was wrong and they nodded along anyone because it was asked of them and to defy it would be subversion. And Lesnick knew it was wrong, he knew it wasn’t so, and while he could not defy it he could at least plead for it not to be repeated.
This was but a glimpse of the machinery and it is hidden everywhere in plain view should you wish to see it. It is not hatred or trolling to call it what it is for it is monstrous. It is wrong and you know it’s wrong and to root for that which you know is wrong to succeed for the sake of the game you desperately wish to play is to become yet another gear in a hellish machine yourself. So lurk silently if you must but don’t delude yourself that this is all some chattering sophistry from losers who can not see the Grand Design. We see it better than you think, only we call it what it is, and if you can’t you’re a fool and if you won’t you’re a liar.
Gorf also does a good job in exposing the sham. Hindsight is always interesting as going back and watching the old vids now its so much easier to see the problems.
STATE OF THE GAME: WTFO EDITION (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/243309924?t=1375)
(or “WTFO meets ‘the worst Uber driver ever’, an Existential Horror Story”)
I was checking out recent streams, curious how the 3.1 testing was going, and saw WTFO testing out Service Beacons, which went from non-functional to functional in a recent update. Given that Roberts was hyping player-generated missions as bringing a new dynamism to the ‘Verse, i was eager to see how it worked in practical terms.
At the link above, he’s sending out the request for a $100 Uber ride to Grimhex. By 28:25, his driver has arrived but floats a couple hundred meters off of the landing zone. WTFO’s annoyance was so visceral it almost felt like a real life cab had parked 2 football fields away from him and expected him to close the remaining distance.
“Is HE going to make me fly, fuckin’ EVA over to HIM?!”
He has to EVA out but you can see the gears turning as he’s planning his one star review for the pilot.
Eventually, against the sputtering backdrop of the server, he reaches the Terrapin and doubts he’ll be able to enter. However, he manages to open the side door and fly in, then closes the door and seats himself. He has a view of the pilot, skittering about at 6 FPS before he seats himself.
WTFO grouses yet again about about the “worst Uber driver ever” making him have to EVA over to the ship, an action which required him to depress one key on his keyboard for less than ten seconds.
He is now secured in his passenger seat with a military tech babytray locking him in position. His view of space is only a tiny slideshow glimpsed past the pilot he can not communicate with, who is far, far ahead of him in the Terrapin cockpit.
“Let’s see if he figures out where we need to go...”
After nearly a minute of 4 FPS action, it seems all hope is lost. (31:05) WTFO assumes the server has crashed. But wait! What’s this? The pilot is turning around... 20 degrees at a time. He gets out of his seat. Stands, and after an awkward pause begins moving down the corridor in a fashion so comically terrifying it can’t be described, only seen to never be unseen again.
WTFO is, however, trapped in his military tech babychair, restrained by the tray. The macabre dance as the pilot moves closer foreshadows pending death and even WTFO can sense it nearing.
From chat: “He is going to come and shoot you...”
WTFO braces for the inevitable as the pilot spaz-a-jigs up beside him. The end is so obviously near, with the hope of a crashing server seeming our surly bearded hero’s only chance of escape.
At 32:00 in, the Pilot starts a stuttering, slow-motion fall that under better conditions might have looked like a man crumpling to his death. But this is not such a circumstance.
“He just killed himself... and I can’t get out of the thing.”
His “worst Uber driver ever” now dead, his spacedoll trapped in his military spec babychair, WTFO has no choice but to quit as well. Yet the show must go on, so he returns as he so often does, to the mundane miseries of another Star Marine session. It will last three hours that surely feel like six.
At least he’s not stuck playing Sea of Thieves. It doesn’t have half the gameplay of Chris Roberts’ Star Citizen.
LOL.
There is some fun to be had for those thousands of $ and all these years ...but it is free fun if you watch other peoples vids.