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Title: Star Citizen Citizenship
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 02:54:35 AM
I will dedicate this thread to Citizens that seem sad, please cheer up guys/girls/girls with voice modulators.


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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 02:59:29 AM
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Fear not Raess2014, I shall start a technical support thread for you.
Title: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: iron buns on November 22, 2016, 07:16:00 AM
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Gameranx: How to Get a Refund for Star Citizen (http://gameranx.com/updates/id/65926/article/how-to-get-a-refund-in-star-citizen/)

LA DCBA: https://iddweb.isd.lacounty.gov/dca_ecomplaint/ (https://iddweb.isd.lacounty.gov/dca_ecomplaint/)

FTC: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#&panel1-1 (https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#&panel1-1)

LA Attorney General: https://oag.ca.gov/consumers (https://oag.ca.gov/consumers)

Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/ (https://reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 07:24:48 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 07:32:48 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 07:48:09 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 08:01:47 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 08:13:11 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 22, 2016, 08:14:06 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: iron buns on November 22, 2016, 08:20:26 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 08:24:14 AM
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Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: ConfusedMonkeh on November 22, 2016, 08:28:37 AM
I still believe. I will not be asking for a refund. Can't be a dirty leaver now can I? Whatever would my mother say?
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Daz on November 22, 2016, 08:30:26 AM
I still believe. I will not be asking for a refund. Can't be a dirty leaver now can I? Whatever would my mother say?


You could buy your mother a nice dinner for raising you right and taking care of you  :)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: ConfusedMonkeh on November 22, 2016, 08:32:25 AM
I bought her a nice dinner this Sunday just gone actually. True story. She had a chicken and cous cous salad.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 08:53:34 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 09:02:38 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 09:08:29 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 10:39:55 AM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 22, 2016, 01:58:51 PM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Gradis on November 22, 2016, 07:39:02 PM
 :humility: the best one :humility:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 23, 2016, 04:00:15 PM
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Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: AP on November 23, 2016, 04:17:18 PM
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Title: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: eminussleepus on November 23, 2016, 08:41:03 PM
post here if are the one who took the blue pill and finally found out that SC is  :lesnick: :sandance: :lesnick: :sandance:

RSI Name: Eminus Sleepus
Status: Banned till the game will be launched which is 2026  :smug:
Total Money Spent: $4000+
Total Money Recovered: $4000+
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 23, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
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Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: iHover on November 24, 2016, 08:13:38 AM
I took the Blue pill 11/19/2015 After PAX East.

RSI Name: iHover

Status:  Out of that mess

Total Money spent: 2600+
Total Money  recovered: 2600
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Rogerio on November 24, 2016, 08:27:49 AM
Well done guys! :)  :five:

Was it hard to get the money back? Did they try to persuade you not to leave that mess, or did they offer the refund without a problem ?
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on November 24, 2016, 09:48:13 AM
Most of the people who took the Blue pill posted over at https://reddit.com/r/StarCitizen_Refunds/
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Rogerio on November 24, 2016, 01:27:58 PM
I wonder if those who asked the refund and got them, if by a miracle that tech demo ever gets to be a game, if they will be allowed to buy it again...

I have heard some companies parting ways with a customer due to refunds, and never allowing them to purchase from them ever again, at least with the same credentials/payment details.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: TylerDurd0n on November 24, 2016, 01:59:10 PM
I wonder if those who asked the refund and got them, if by a miracle that tech demo ever gets to be a game, if they will be allowed to buy it again...

I have heard some companies parting ways with a customer due to refunds, and never allowing them to purchase from them ever again, at least with the same credentials/payment details.

I was an OB, had the golden ticket, sub-8000 citizen number and got fully refunded.

Even if by some miracle this game will ever be released I will not touch it. The vocal part of the player base is toxic, cultish and downright hostile to anybody that doesn't subscribe to their group think and that's not something I want to expose myself to for "enjoyment".
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: iHover on November 24, 2016, 04:41:43 PM
Well done guys! :)  I wonder if those who asked the refund and got them, if by a miracle that tech demo ever gets to be a game, if they will be allowed to buy it again...

I have heard some companies parting ways with a customer due to refunds, and never allowing them to purchase from them ever again, at least with the same credentials/payment details.
From the email CIG sent with the refund.
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Your account has been permanently de-activated. Should you wish to return in the future you can create a new account with the same details.

Even if and its a BIG if they manage to push something out the door I wont be playing. Once they put mouse interactive mode in it destroyed the game. I wont fly a ship with the mouse and there is no way to be competitive with someone that is. The game went from being a space sim to being an FPS game where your wrapped in a ship.

Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Robert Trimbole on November 24, 2016, 07:25:25 PM
I refunded not long after the Beer incident. The way Sandi acted talked in those e-mails exchanges set off  :siren:  straight away that they're is something not right about this game company. So i got my 17k back pronto  :thumbsup:


I will admit though once the refund came in, i did purchase a new starter account that way if/when the game does release properly i can zoom zoom around the verse in my basic starter ship trolling B'Tak with some hot PvP action  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 26, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
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$2500+ backer
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 26, 2016, 11:35:45 AM
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 :smith:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 26, 2016, 11:37:26 AM
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:negative:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 26, 2016, 11:39:13 AM
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:yikes:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 26, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
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 :humility:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 26, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
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:stare:
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: ANeuroticCorncob on November 26, 2016, 11:54:46 AM
citizen

                             get a refund
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: somedude on November 26, 2016, 01:14:57 PM
I requested my first refund at the end of 2015 wich got denied. After 6 more repeats it finally was accepted last month.
I was a VB, created a corp and was looking forward to playing Freelancer 2 ^^.
backed: 500
refunded: 500
My tactic for getting my refund was getting really toxic on their forums. It eventually worked.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Stan on November 27, 2016, 09:26:37 PM
I refunded not long after the Beer incident. The way Sandi acted talked in those e-mails exchanges set off  :siren:  straight away that they're is something not right about this game company. So i got my 17k back pronto  :thumbsup:


I will admit though once the refund came in, i did purchase a new starter account that way if/when the game does release properly i can zoom zoom around the verse in my basic starter ship trolling B'Tak with some hot PvP action  :laugh:

Do we have much of an idea how many people there are that backed the game over the $5-10k mark ?
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on November 28, 2016, 07:18:26 AM
Do we have much of an idea how many people there are that backed the game over the $5-10k mark ?

Yeah, we have some metrics which I included in my This War Of Mine (http://www.dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/) blog.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Stan on November 29, 2016, 01:16:34 AM

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That one is pretty sad......this guy obviously didn't play World Of Warcraft enough.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Stan on November 29, 2016, 01:28:10 AM
I took a pill.  Not sure what colour.

Had about $900 of ships I got on the grey market and sold them all  end of last year/early this year - for a slight profit.

Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: HycoCam on November 29, 2016, 07:23:30 AM
Kudos to Derek and Streetroller!!  Refunds are now relatively quick and straightforward.  After CitizenCON, it was clear there would be no complete and playable game from CIG ever.  With the grey market in shambles, my choice was eat the game packages or get a refund.  So thanks for making refunds possible.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on November 29, 2016, 08:01:44 AM
You're welcome.

Also, new backers who agreed to the June 2016 ToS change, are also entitled to a refund within 14 days.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on November 29, 2016, 01:22:04 PM
If you took the Blue pill and got a refund, post over here (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=31.0).
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Norefund14days on November 30, 2016, 01:03:49 PM
I took the blue pill.

Original backer from the start.

Invested $310
Recovered $250  :D
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Rogerio on November 30, 2016, 03:07:11 PM
I took the blue pill.

Original backer from the start.

Invested $310
Recovered $250  :D

Well done! :)

One question though, did they refuse to refund the rest of the money or you chose to maintain the basic pledge amount ?
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on December 01, 2016, 12:26:13 PM
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/profile/99247/KommissarKlose (https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/profile/99247/KommissarKlose)

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Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Robert Trimbole on December 01, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
Any idea on how much he was in for ?
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on December 01, 2016, 04:41:10 PM
Any idea on how much he was in for ?

We don't have exact numbers; and unfortunately his citizen dossier (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizens/KommissarKlose) which would have shown this (via the account flairs), is now offline. But one account said that he was a legacy whale.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Robert Trimbole on December 01, 2016, 05:01:03 PM
Cheers D.  :wave:


I might dig around waybackmachine usually that has some interesting cache to look through.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on December 01, 2016, 05:29:57 PM
Cheers D.  :wave:


I might dig around waybackmachine usually that has some interesting cache to look through.

Yeah, good idea. Let us know if you find anything. But this chart (http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Titles) will give you an idea of the various pledge titles
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: mackjazno on December 01, 2016, 11:58:21 PM
Are people still getting refunds?   I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.

I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars.   I'd be very happy with a partial refund.  Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Rogerio on December 02, 2016, 02:02:48 AM
Are people still getting refunds?   I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.

I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars.   I'd be very happy with a partial refund.  Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?

Hey mackjazno, it is never too late to get your refund and pride back.

Derek has wrote a couple of articles about it, you can read one here:

http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/07/star-citizen-the-refund-debacle/ (http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/07/star-citizen-the-refund-debacle/)

There is information at the end of the article in how to get your refund. You can also see that info here:

http://www.dereksmart.org/forums/topic/star-citizen-tos/#post-3796 (http://www.dereksmart.org/forums/topic/star-citizen-tos/#post-3796)

Hope it helps and you can get your money back.
:dance:
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on December 02, 2016, 05:08:35 AM
Are people still getting refunds?   I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.

I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars.   I'd be very happy with a partial refund.  Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?

You can also get some refund tips at https://reddit.com/r/StarCitizen_Refunds/

People are getting refunds. You just have to ask, and be persistent.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on December 02, 2016, 05:10:45 AM
Are people still getting refunds?   I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.

I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars.   I'd be very happy with a partial refund.  Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?

You can also get some refund tips at https://reddit.com/r/StarCitizen_Refunds/

People are getting refunds. You just have to ask, and be persistent.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Norefund14days on December 02, 2016, 03:01:06 PM
I took the blue pill.

Original backer from the start.

Invested $310
Recovered $250  :D

Well done! :)

One question though, did they refuse to refund the rest of the money or you chose to maintain the basic pledge amount ?

THey do not refund subs.  I was 60 in on that.  Didnt feel like fighting since it was over a year in the making.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: mackjazno on December 02, 2016, 06:04:47 PM
Thanks. I'll give it a shot.  I'm ok with not getting back subs.  For what its worth, it's a service of sorts in this day and age.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on December 02, 2016, 06:39:05 PM
Yeah, they don't refund subs or gifts. So don't even bother trying; it's a waste of time.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Beexoffel on December 06, 2016, 03:25:49 PM
Blue pill? Isn't the red pill for embracing the sometimes painful truth?
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on December 06, 2016, 05:05:56 PM
True. But it's Star Citizen; so it's not supposed to make one lick of sense  :shrug:
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Beexoffel on December 07, 2016, 03:59:49 AM
I see. Like how they also use '42' in places where it's not interesting.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: mackjazno on January 04, 2017, 11:57:45 PM
Are people still getting refunds?   I've got my own long story and you can say I'm not happy with the $2k I've dropped on concept art.

I'm entertained but I've put over 1000 hours in Kerbal Space Program and I sure didn't give them thousands of dollars.   I'd be very happy with a partial refund.  Or are they canceling all accounts that they give refunds to?

FYI, I asked and got a partial refund.  I had a huge credit and they refunded all my credit.  I didn't cancel my account but I've not put any money in for nearly 2 years so I'm happy.  In less than a week, I got some of my sanity back.  No big explanation, or trying to talk me out of it, just a simple request.

However, if the console rumors are true, I may go full on cancel.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on January 05, 2017, 06:12:35 AM
In 2017 it is going to be harder to get refunds past the 14 day period. In fact, we're now hearing that refunds are now being refused (https://twitter.com/paul75331/status/816788693398777856).

As I posted on Twitter (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/816717056406093828)

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Star Citizen has failed. CIG is robbing Peter (new sales) to pay Paul (refunds). The plan loved by Ponzi scheme purveyors the world over
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Narrenbart on January 08, 2017, 11:40:26 AM
You're welcome.

Also, new backers who agreed to the June 2016 ToS change, are also entitled to a refund within 14 days.
I guess they've lost some kind of lawsuit they are refunding with less hassle for the last 6 months.
Well in Germany we have a law that we can retreat every contract that has not been signed in a shop where you could actually touch the product for 14 days, well that includes if you buy a ship that has not been implemented - as soon as its in the game and FULLY playable my 14 days begin to count (delivery date). (in a nutshell this means: test the product fully functional for 14 days)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on January 09, 2017, 08:03:28 AM
You're welcome.

Also, new backers who agreed to the June 2016 ToS change, are also entitled to a refund within 14 days.
I guess they've lost some kind of lawsuit they are refunding with less hassle for the last 6 months.
Well in Germany we have a law that we can retreat every contract that has not been signed in a shop where you could actually touch the product for 14 days, well that includes if you buy a ship that has not been implemented - as soon as its in the game and FULLY playable my 14 days begin to count (delivery date). (in a nutshell this means: test the product fully functional for 14 days)

No lawsuit. One guy went to the California State authorities after I wrote a blog showing people that they were entitled to a refund. From that point on, they started giving refunds to people who pledged before the June 2016 ToS change. They have been doing refunds since that time. I wrote a whole blog about it in July 2016: The Refund Debacle (http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/07/star-citizen-the-refund-debacle/)

Regardless, there are countries with laws which require CIG to refund within a certain period of time - no questions asked.

We have been hearing that they have started refusing some people refunds this year though. It looks like those getting refunds in 2017, applied for them back in 2016. It is possible that they will stop doing refunds in 2017 completely.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Motto on January 12, 2017, 05:17:47 PM
I would say it's very likely that they wil stop in 2017. Like, period.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on January 13, 2017, 10:31:03 AM
That's what we're thinking as well.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on January 16, 2017, 03:34:20 PM
Another whale exits. (https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/profile/Fain80)

(http://i.imgur.com/QYAV87Fh.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5oe4dc/fain80_gets_a_refund_7k/

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I have finally decided that I am done with this game. As of now, four years in, this community still gets by on wishes, rainbows, and fairy dust. This "game" only exists in our minds as we envision swooping over a planet in our massive idrisses and picture epic corridor to corridor gunfights, capital ships blasting away at each other with swarms of fighters buzzing in between and engineers making emergency repairs.

All of that is our imagination at work. Look at what we actually have. A bunch of small tech demos that still break frequently and haven't been significantly advanced in over a year. We have a substandard FPS module that, while a great first attempt, is not indicative of mechanics that should be pretty much wrapped up at this point for the single player game. Some of the wins that have been celebrated are tiny. Glass that breaks? Flashy glowing pickup icons in arena commander? Wow, color me impressed!

The ship sales have led to bait and switch after bait and switch as ships are nerfed or redesigned before they ever come out. We have marketing tactics that would make EA' blush with embarrassment and we've had some of the worst live streams I have ever seen over the past few months. We have what is basically hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of DLC ships that are going to jack up game balance to all hell when this thing finally comes out.

At this point, who knows if SQ42 even exists? Why is it so difficult to show us the game? 4 years into development the project shouldn't even remotely feel like it may be a sham but this game continues to have an off putting stink to it. When delays happen for the PU it's because they were working on SQ42, when they happen for SQ42 it's because of the PU.

I hope that this game winds up being great but I think it's a pipe dream. For everyone here who pumped at least a thousand dollars into this dream I hope it comes out and you feel like you've gotten your money's worth but I'm done with this sham.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on February 17, 2017, 12:50:09 PM
A Star Citizen whale just got his refund after 2 weeks since asking. Read his departing synopsis (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5unjhs/im_out/)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Scruffpuff on February 17, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
A Star Citizen whale just got his refund after 2 weeks since asking. Read his departing synopsis (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5unjhs/im_out/)

Damn - that's some startling clarity for someone who was about $1000 in.  This is good news, really - if some of the backers are waking up and seeing the reality of the project, then CIG has officially lost control of the narrative.  Reality has to assert itself sometime, and that time appears to have come.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on February 17, 2017, 06:27:51 PM
Yes, if you look through that sub-Redd at some of the other leavers' anecdotes, it's pretty clear that some backers are waking up. Note that we have no idea about ALL the others who decided to silently refund and move on, with no fanfare or publicity.

Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Stan on February 17, 2017, 10:41:48 PM
A Star Citizen whale just got his refund after 2 weeks since asking. Read his departing synopsis (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5unjhs/im_out/)

Damn - that's some startling clarity for someone who was about $1000 in.  This is good news, really - if some of the backers are waking up and seeing the reality of the project, then CIG has officially lost control of the narrative.  Reality has to assert itself sometime, and that time appears to have come.

Don't be so sure. 

SC is like a religion. 
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on February 18, 2017, 09:31:05 AM
This was posted over on SA
 (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=654#post469528142)
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Here's a very sad backer story for you.

My Boss' son lost his apartment about 7 months ago. His son is a 28 year old male with a $17.50/hr factory worker job with some regular OT, so he brings in $2400/month take home. Boss and his wife said the manboy could move back in for one year to straighten his finances out, catch up on car payments, get his insurance paid, get some money in the bank. He now has 6 months before he has to move out. Boss has been working with him to get a budget set up, reasonable goals for savings by fall etc. So far Boss and his wife have paid out near $3100 to catch up insurance, stop car repossession and a couple of other things. When the manboy moved in my Boss got him set up on Mint.com and YNAB (You need a budget, awesome free budget program on Steam) with the goal of saving $400/month, totally reasonable for someone not paying room/board. Boss decides to check in his son's finances and logs into Mint.com on Wednesday. In the last 6 months our young lad has spent:

$881 on VUDU (Walmart's streaming service I guess?)
$1620 dollars with Xsolla (MWO)
$3320 with RSI.
$4100 on fast food. In 6 months. Despite his parents providing full meals.

He has exactly 0 dollars in savings currently with a $980 dollar bill for insurance coming up mid March.
I asked my boss how much his son was in for total to Star Citizen and MWO, and I thought he was going to cry.
He's resolute in kicking the boy out this fall, and his son is basically going to be homeless because he believes in "dreams".

I told my Boss his son could get a refund like our co-worker I posted about last month and fix his financial issues, so my Boss talked with him on Thursday night about that. His son got very agitated and told his dad that supporting such an amazing project that would change gaming forever was one of the only things that gave his life meaning and getting a refund would be betraying Chris Roberts.

Fuck this scam.

Fuck Chris Roberts.

Fuck every single person still working on this scam, no matter what the excuse is. They're all culpable in taking advantage of a bunch of mentally disturbed idiots.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on February 18, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
CIG is now asking for personal ID in order to do refunds. This is just another way to make it difficult to get refunds.

It's not legal.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4982GWWYAAKhXH.jpg)

It's not legal. That's why banks, Amazon, Microsoft etc, don't go that far when you ask for a refund.

In fact, the FTC has some strict guidelines about that sort of thing; and there is an entire list of companies they've gone after and fined for obtaining user personal info without cause or reason - and not disclosing the reason to the person.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/privacy-and-security (https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/privacy-and-security)

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/protecting-consumer-privacy/enforcing-privacy-promises (https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/protecting-consumer-privacy/enforcing-privacy-promises)

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0272-how-keep-your-personal-information-secure (https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0272-how-keep-your-personal-information-secure)

https://www.privacyrights.org/consumer-guides/privacy-when-shopping (https://www.privacyrights.org/consumer-guides/privacy-when-shopping)

Hater115 (a backer), posted a Blizzard link showing they ask for ID. Of course it's not the same thing, because their use is for hacked accounts.

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/7006 (https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/7006)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Flashwit on February 20, 2017, 11:28:51 AM
This was posted over on SA
 (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=654#post469528142)
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Here's a very sad backer story for you.

My Boss' son lost his apartment about 7 months ago. His son is a 28 year old male with a $17.50/hr factory worker job with some regular OT, so he brings in $2400/month take home. Boss and his wife said the manboy could move back in for one year to straighten his finances out, catch up on car payments, get his insurance paid, get some money in the bank. He now has 6 months before he has to move out. Boss has been working with him to get a budget set up, reasonable goals for savings by fall etc. So far Boss and his wife have paid out near $3100 to catch up insurance, stop car repossession and a couple of other things. When the manboy moved in my Boss got him set up on Mint.com and YNAB (You need a budget, awesome free budget program on Steam) with the goal of saving $400/month, totally reasonable for someone not paying room/board. Boss decides to check in his son's finances and logs into Mint.com on Wednesday. In the last 6 months our young lad has spent:

$881 on VUDU (Walmart's streaming service I guess?)
$1620 dollars with Xsolla (MWO)
$3320 with RSI.
$4100 on fast food. In 6 months. Despite his parents providing full meals.

He has exactly 0 dollars in savings currently with a $980 dollar bill for insurance coming up mid March.
I asked my boss how much his son was in for total to Star Citizen and MWO, and I thought he was going to cry.
He's resolute in kicking the boy out this fall, and his son is basically going to be homeless because he believes in "dreams".

I told my Boss his son could get a refund like our co-worker I posted about last month and fix his financial issues, so my Boss talked with him on Thursday night about that. His son got very agitated and told his dad that supporting such an amazing project that would change gaming forever was one of the only things that gave his life meaning and getting a refund would be betraying Chris Roberts.

Fuck this scam.

Fuck Chris Roberts.

Fuck every single person still working on this scam, no matter what the excuse is. They're all culpable in taking advantage of a bunch of mentally disturbed idiots.

I don't want to be insensitive and I'm not qualified to make medical diagnoses, but it sounds like this guy's son has clinical depression. This goes past 'bad with money' into actual mental health issues.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on February 20, 2017, 12:59:41 PM
Yeah, some of us are thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: RGX520Z on February 23, 2017, 10:46:58 AM
Blue Pill has been  taken

White Citizens card officially revoked

Refund cleared today

$40 richer
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on February 23, 2017, 12:46:34 PM
Blue Pill has been  taken

White Citizens card officially revoked

Refund cleared today

$40 richer

Outstanding! Now go back Hellion! It's on Steam Early Access today.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on February 27, 2017, 06:50:11 AM
Back in April 2016 when I took Line Of Defense off Steam (http://lodgame.com/news/16-04-29-01/) by switching it from Early Access to CBT thus killing two birds with one stone due to Steam store page review bombing, the Shitizen pricks who were doing it out of spite were denying it. Like the cowards that they are. Once in a while, we link their Steam profiles to their social media profiles, then ban them.

But at least they're not denying it anymore (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/5vr4t2/in_time_for_the_upcoming_major_update_you_can_now/de46rz5/).

(https://i.imgur.com/jxrLWj2.png)
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on February 28, 2017, 04:40:52 PM
Ho Lee Cow!

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5wpa93/got_a_full_refund_ill_see_you_all_in_a_few_years/debtsto/

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Too bad you asked for a refund and no longer have faith in the project. They are holding a large majority of the content back due to people like you complaining about unfinished mechanics, content, etc. People touring CIG have seen stuff that would shit your pants and make you take down this shitpost. But I can't tell you cause NDA.

Also, they're either backlogged or they're still employing delay tactics. TWO WEEKS to get a refund?!?

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5wq62q/redpandarawr_gets_a_refund_516/

ps: TheAgent had a leak some weeks back where he had said that refunds were going to slow down based on sales/funding. Which explains the recent flurry of refunds after recent sales. Here's another one

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5wrhki/just_received_my_1200_refund/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5wrhki/just_received_my_1200_refund/)
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on March 01, 2017, 06:47:48 AM
...another whale ($8K) exits (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5ws6d6/refunded/)
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on March 01, 2017, 02:45:15 PM
Star Citizen whale sells $5K account for $3K (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5wx5tz/5000_dollar_account_sold/) on the Black market, just to "get out"
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on March 02, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
"When you finally get your money out of Star Citizen (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5x48o0/when_you_finally_get_your_money_out_of_star/)"

(http://static.businessinsider.com/image/5515af336bb3f798788e52ef/image.gif)
Title: Cursed Citizen
Post by: -fatcat- on March 03, 2017, 10:32:36 AM
Dear Mr. Smart,
I'm 41 yo now and although i still enjoy videogames, I've become pretty unsocial in terms of game or game-related communities: the older i get, the worsen it gets. I'm strictly invested in the games themselves and nothing more. Point is, in October 2016 I bought a SC starting package as a result of personal frustration and casual watching of a YT clip of their citizencon planet tech: i never had been interested in SC in the first place, but the idea of having the spacesim/dogfight experience to be just means so that i could be able to land on a procedural planet and explore/fight in 1st person seemed way more appealing to me and -i guess- many others.
Unfortunately, being the unsocial piece of shit that i am, i knew pretty much zero of all the drama surrounding the development of the game or even how the game itself was in terms of playable stuff.
I knew who the author was (and had mixed memories of his past), i had read the kickstarter campaign and ofc i knew there was a fair bit of teenage nostalgia involved in the entire process. I will spare you my first impression of actually playing the 'game', but i can tell you i had good laughs. Thing is, instead of just forgetting about it for a year -my original plan- i started wondering why people had been giving away lots of money for that pile of shit and, sparked by my curiosity, i watched plenty of zero-actual-content videos about its fableish gameplay mechanics, the 'groundbreaking' tech behind it and blah blah blah. Eventually i dove into the cesspool of insanity that is the official RSI forums and that's how i got hooked.

Fast forward to today: I'm still a baker, I already had my 30something euros worth of enjoyment by fucking around with the hilarious bugs in the 'game' whenever a new patch comes out and i still follow the equally hilarious story developments, which is become the videogame equivalent of a very addictive spanish soap opera, whose drama component is fat and greasy while the 'serious' social/economic implications are incredibly fascinating to me. However i do avoid the official forums like the plague cause there's only so much i can take in.

I'm really glad you chose to stick on providing a collection of tangible facts about what's going on and although our conclusions on the matter may be different, i genuinely hope your actions will help pile up proof so that when the time comes and this shitfest finally collapses, hopefully there will be some serious consequences and accountability. To be perfectly honest, i personally hope it all crumbles at least in such a way that governments WILL have to refine some specific laws, perhaps resulting in way less shady commerce practices for the future.

At the same time, in a very '80s-Xmas-witch-curse-movie fashion, i hope you will be rewarded for your efforts by magically watching the whole SC+NMS communities flood your games: you will gain the deserved success, but at the price of having a community made entirely of fucking idiots. ;)
Title: Re: Cursed Citizen
Post by: dsmart on March 03, 2017, 04:12:15 PM
Dear Mr. Smart,
I'm 41 yo now and although i still enjoy videogames, I've become pretty unsocial in terms of game or game-related communities: the older i get, the worsen it gets. I'm strictly invested in the games themselves and nothing more. Point is, in October 2016 I bought a SC starting package as a result of personal frustration and casual watching of a YT clip of their citizencon planet tech: i never had been interested in SC in the first place, but the idea of having the spacesim/dogfight experience to be just means so that i could be able to land on a procedural planet and explore/fight in 1st person seemed way more appealing to me and -i guess- many others.
Unfortunately, being the unsocial piece of shit that i am, i knew pretty much zero of all the drama surrounding the development of the game or even how the game itself was in terms of playable stuff.
I knew who the author was (and had mixed memories of his past), i had read the kickstarter campaign and ofc i knew there was a fair bit of teenage nostalgia involved in the entire process. I will spare you my first impression of actually playing the 'game', but i can tell you i had good laughs. Thing is, instead of just forgetting about it for a year -my original plan- i started wondering why people had been giving away lots of money for that pile of shit and, sparked by my curiosity, i watched plenty of zero-actual-content videos about its fableish gameplay mechanics, the 'groundbreaking' tech behind it and blah blah blah. Eventually i dove into the cesspool of insanity that is the official RSI forums and that's how i got hooked.

Fast forward to today: I'm still a baker, I already had my 30something euros worth of enjoyment by fucking around with the hilarious bugs in the 'game' whenever a new patch comes out and i still follow the equally hilarious story developments, which is become the videogame equivalent of a very addictive spanish soap opera, whose drama component is fat and greasy while the 'serious' social/economic implications are incredibly fascinating to me. However i do avoid the official forums like the plague cause there's only so much i can take in.

I'm really glad you chose to stick on providing a collection of tangible facts about what's going on and although our conclusions on the matter may be different, i genuinely hope your actions will help pile up proof so that when the time comes and this shitfest finally collapses, hopefully there will be some serious consequences and accountability. To be perfectly honest, i personally hope it all crumbles at least in such a way that governments WILL have to refine some specific laws, perhaps resulting in way less shady commerce practices for the future.

Hey man, thanks for stopping by.

Yeah, my blogs, this forum, and my other site are all part of my effort to catalog everything in one place. Due to how the Internet works, at some point when the collapse comes, there's going to be a lot of misinformation being spread; even as some of the more pertinent stuff is lost. Which is why we religiously archive even CIG's own sites because they've been busted removing stuff over the years.

I have no doubt in my mind that the collapse is coming - and is imminent. What form it will take, is the only question at this point.

At the end of the day, those who still have money in it, will only have themselves to blame when the end comes.

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At the same time, in a very '80s-Xmas-witch-curse-movie fashion, i hope you will be rewarded for your efforts by magically watching the whole SC+NMS communities flood your games: you will gain the deserved success, but at the price of having a community made entirely of fucking idiots. ;)

Yeah, I don't think so. Those guys scare me.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on March 08, 2017, 05:21:20 PM
Who remembers this case (https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/12/sf-district-attorney-lawsuit-against-lily-may-have-prompted-refund/) brought by the CA District Attorney over the Lily drone?

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There’s also a slightly technical issue that forms a second front in the DA’s lawsuit: the fact that they went with an independent “pre-order” strategy rather than an established crowdfunded development site like Kickstarter. That makes Lily’s money qualify more on the side of internet sales than investment in an idea (something Kickstarter and its projects are always careful to explain), which exposed the company to certain consumer protection laws.

This is what I believe will be the inevitable fate of the Star Citizen project when the curtain falls.

And it's also the other reason why refunds are going to continue happening (http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/07/star-citizen-the-refund-debacle/); regardless of what CIG/RSI thinks or wants to do. Unless and until they deliver what was promised, refunds are a thing. Period. End of story.

And no, they can't foist an MVP on backers, then use that as a reason to deny refunds, because - again, the massive amounts of historical data are enough to show that backers were easily misled about the status and state of the project, as well as the numerous promises made.

What Getting A Refund Looked Like One Year Ago (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5xtxw1/what_getting_a_refund_looked_like_one_year_ago/)

Meanwhile, though few make it public, instead reaching out to us privately, the whale exit continues with a total of three (the highest being $1,500 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5yb9au/done_1563_refunded/)) reporting today.

Another med-high Concierge level whale who had reached out to me about getting a refund, also notified me privately (he states: "I don't feel a need to go bragging about getting a large refund.") that he got a refund as well. He's off to buy a boat.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Flashwit on March 09, 2017, 12:09:30 PM
Woo, what's the deal with that Vertisce guy?

He seems to think he's laying down killer arguments when all he can do is bring up LoD for some reason.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on March 09, 2017, 06:39:44 PM
Woo, what's the deal with that Vertisce guy?

He seems to think he's laying down killer arguments when all he can do is bring up LoD for some reason.

He's not the only one. There's a bunch of them over on /r/DS and that's all they do. It's a whole other level of crazy. But I'm about to set an example of two (one lives in Australia, which has some serious defamation laws) of them. They just don't know it yet.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on March 11, 2017, 07:50:35 AM
There goes another whale ($3.3K). (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5ypqps/asked_for_a_refund/)

I don't think they care about backers leaving, more than they care about the money they're giving out. The bottom line is that they don't have a choice in doing refunds. Like at all. And it doesn't matter if it's a $5K or $50 backer if it comes to lawsuits, because that's what class actions are for.

A skeptic would think that them giving refunds is a "good" thing. However, the fact is that they don't have a choice any longer.

In 2015, I spent quite a bit of money in legal fees going back and forth with them asking for things like refunds, schedules, financial accountability promised. So far, I got 2 out of 3 because outside of a lawsuit by backers, State or Fed officials, there is no scenario under which they will make those financials (which they promised) available to anyone.

As long as people are getting their money back when requested, financial accountability is left to those who are going to end up losing their money when this shit-show finally collapses. At least they won't say they didn't know it was coming.

As much as I'd like to see the game they promised be released, almost two years later since I started making noise back in July 2015, I simply don't see it happening. Anyone who thinks that at the end of they day, the $5K they paid for a $60 game is worth it, that's up to them. It's their money.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: nightfire on March 11, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
At least they won't say they didn't know it was coming.

Actually, I'm confident that we'll see a whole new level of denial and crazy reasoning when the time comes.

In particular, we'll see people convinced that CR merely disappeared from the surface of the earth and let CIG go out of business to get rid of all the haters and refund seekers. He then went into hiding together with Sandi and a small group of trusted elite devs. From an undisclosed location in the cave areas of the Afghan mountains, they would actually continue to work on release 3.0 to fulfill their promises to their loyal backers. Occasional annual video tape messages would assure the public that they were still making steady progress.

Remember, you read it here first  :dance:
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on March 12, 2017, 06:35:09 AM
Why i'm handing in my citizenship (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/5yu1oz/why_im_handing_in_my_citizenship/)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on March 16, 2017, 05:48:47 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5zobhh/i_donated_money_to_this_game_over_2_years_ago/df0g0qa/?context=3)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Narrenbart on March 16, 2017, 08:11:27 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/5zun71/something_i_got_from_dereks_discord/
Are the shills now faking refunds to prove that goons fake refunds all the time? I don't get it ... or is a goon playing triple agent  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on March 17, 2017, 02:49:25 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/5zun71/something_i_got_from_dereks_discord/
Are the shills now faking refunds to prove that goons fake refunds all the time? I don't get it ... or is a goon playing triple agent  :psyduck:

It's hilarious. Come to my Discord channel (https://discord.gg/7nUXA9u) to see the False Flag op that's in full swing. Shitizens are as dumb as a bag of flour.

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on April 04, 2017, 11:40:37 AM
Yet people will wonder why when this game ultimately fails, CIG and all its companies collapse, and someone goes to jail, some of us will be laughing our asses off.

So back on Feb 23rd, this retard DisturbedJim (James Brand) decided he was going to run a campaign (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/62fnqb/ds_on_twitter_for_those_sending_us_inquiries/dfn9dl3/?context=3) to get GamersGate to pull LoD from their store. Pretty much the same op they tried - and failed - with Steam; yet still tried to take credit for something I I did (when I moved the game to CBT almost a year ago (http://lodgame.com/news/16-04-29-01/) and disabled the Steam store).

He was bragging and taking credit for something he had nothing to do with.

Unknown to him, since we're building our own games portal, while limiting our games to Steam (we even updated our Digital River storefront (http://3000ad.com/buy/) to use only Steam codes), we were already transitioning out of GamersGate store - the last one (we pulled out of Direct2Drive and others months back) that was left.

So last week, we made a series of tweets

https://twitter.com/3000ad_games/status/847508991718690817

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/847901032499884032

I guess GamersGate were getting inquiries, so today they tweeted this

https://twitter.com/GamersGate/status/849237056429666305

This is just another example of how, besides review bombing that they do of my games, these guys continue to engage in attacks & harassment because someone is writing bad things about Star Citizen.

UPDATE:

Yeah, I'm just as puzzled as you are (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/63f441/disturbedjim_is_going_to_be_enraged_derek_discord/dftozzb/). These people are deranged.

Yeah, as if a partner site is going to pull a game from a partner whose games they've had for decades.

In fact, the only reason LoD was even on there recently, is because we were able to generate CBT Steam keys for it; and which Valve approved. Previously only LOD Tactics was Steam key supported. All previous titles were SecuROM.

Valve won't allow devs to sell a game on an outside site, that's not sold on Steam. LoD is currently in CBT and not for sale on Steam. So we used our CBT key allotment for not only our own DR* store, but also on GG. That's why key generation requires approval from Steam.

Note the date (from 2016) of my response below? That's because LoD wasn't sold on Steam after 04/29/16; and we couldn't get approval for CBT keys to be sold on an outside site, when the game itself wasn't being sold on Steam. We generated CBT keys for them to do their limited time sales (http://archive.is/QttH5) (which is what the email they sent 6 months later, was about). Of course we pulled the games as planned, after the sales was over.

(http://3000ad.com/bin/2017-04-04_14-18-35.jpg)

None of this is relevant. What's relevant is, aside from the other times when we've busted them, this is more proof that they do in fact do this shit, review bomb etc, even as they deny it. And his original post on Reddit got over 45 upvotes last I checked.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on April 04, 2017, 11:46:07 AM
From the SA archives (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&pagenumber=885#post471029349)

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Fat Shat Sings posted:
(2:57:30 is around the time Streetroller called James a pussy because he wasn't coming on teamspeak despite trolling the chat, he shows up just after that)

This stream was great. They invite James Brand on and he just mewls about Derek Smart nonstop. I'd love a transcript of Him Vs Streetroller.

Everytime anyone asked long time SC backer questions about the game he would go

"weeeellllll.....uhhh......ehhhh...........mmmm.......Line of Defense.......had bad steam ratings.....before....before........he commented on Star Citizen"
"Where is this going? Jim?"
"......uuhhh.......welllllllllllll.....Derek shouldn't be slinging mud..........."
"Nobody is talking about Derek Smart"

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For anyone who wasn't around back then, this is the same concierge level whale that came on a podcast and got eviscerated after lying about his pledge amount.


He is probably Lazrin since nobody else shows this much obsession with Derek Smart. Dude has been raging for almost two years straight about Derek at this point.

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on April 10, 2017, 10:10:46 AM
LOL!! Those guys over on /r/DS are seriously pissed that they can't control the narrative on SA (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=912) and on FDev (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/259596-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v5/page2632) forums, like they can on Reddit.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/913/758/a12.jpg)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on April 10, 2017, 04:07:33 PM
I started this over on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/64n234/stop_buying_from_star_citizen_grey_market/).

In the past, the Grey Market (e.g. /r/Starcitizen_trades (https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades)) was a flourishing enterprise. It has all but collapsed now.

Like most games with in-game items, the selling of game items was never something that CIG officially supported.

Why do I say "officially"? Because even though they turn a blind eye, they still profit from it because there are known people who buy items from CIG; only to sell them on the Grey market. It's the oldest gaming racket, that's always profitable for laundering money as I wrote in my recent blog (http://dereksmart.com/2017/03/star-citizen-money-laundromat/).

The problem comes when you try to refund an item that's either a legit gift (e.g. from a friend) or something you bought off the Grey market.

CIG will not refund those items, as they are not obligated to do so.

The end result? CIG gets to keep the money either way.

The latest clear proof and evidence of this, just surfaced (https://twitter.com/BoobzillaWalk) (1 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9EozE0W0AAylUm.jpg), 2 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9EKiluXUAA9Cor.jpg), 3 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9EJd3nXkAAoKHP.jpg)) today. Just like back when the infamous backer, Streetroller, decided to test my "CIG refund policy is bullshit!" theory with the State of CA, and which I wrote about here, this too is sure to cause some serious problems for CIG if someone took it all the way to the authorities.

So unless you intend on selling your Grey market items outside of CIG, don't for one minute think they are going to refund you.

EDIT: To be clear: (1) I have no problem with CIG not refunding items sold on the Grey market. However, they have an obligation to refund any items bought directly from them. Including gifted items transacted within their ecosystem (2) Refusing to refund an item bought as a gift by the gifter, is wrong - and illegal (3) Refusing to refund an item given to a giftee, is a legal Grey area (4) They are under no obligation to refund items bought on the Grey market - and they shouldn't refund them.

When they close a refunded account that has gifted items in it, they're literally confiscating the items. They should refund the items purchased through them, while leaving the gifted or Grey market items in the account. This is what's going to cause them problems (e.g. in US, Australia, UK) if someone went to the authorities.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2017, 06:15:33 AM
When they close a refunded account that has gifted items in it, they're literally confiscating the items. They should refund the items purchased through them, while leaving the gifted or Grey market items in the account. This is what's going to cause them problems (e.g. in US, Australia, UK) if someone went to the authorities.
Is there any current legal precedent on digital sales transactions? I remember hearing somewhere that Steam added refund functionality to avoid issues in Australia.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on April 11, 2017, 07:52:15 AM
When they close a refunded account that has gifted items in it, they're literally confiscating the items. They should refund the items purchased through them, while leaving the gifted or Grey market items in the account. This is what's going to cause them problems (e.g. in US, Australia, UK) if someone went to the authorities.
Is there any current legal precedent on digital sales transactions? I remember hearing somewhere that Steam added refund functionality to avoid issues in Australia.

Yeah, that's what I was saying in my post above. They will run into issues here in the US, but most especially in UK and AUS where they don't mess around with stuff like this; as Valve and others have learned in the past.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on April 11, 2017, 03:51:57 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/64lied/account_refund_cig_fucked_me/dg50gma/

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Thx a lot to thedereksmart. I'm going to read your blog an check for the FTC and State DCBA links. I will now compile all the valuable information that has been given to me. From what I see today :
The entire gifting system was developed and is supported by CIG.
CIG has allowed trades on their own forum during a time. CIG changed the old TOS for a new one (circa June 2016) to specifically state that gifted items were not refundable. (I did my payments and received the gifts in 2015)
If CIG did not want /r/StarCitizen_Trades to exist CIG could, with one simple change to their website, they can stop the transfer of assets between accounts. So as much as you would like to call it a gray market and claim it is unofficial--the transfer of assets between accounts is 100% a function of CIG's development.
CIG still promotes trades an gift (link of their Valentine's Day sale of two ships as an example).
CIG sold the ship and know the account it's in and the account it came from. Unless there is a clear sign of criminal activity there is not legitimate reason for them to fully close an account with hundreds of dollars in assets on it. They need to either let a backer keep the account and all non-refundable assests or refund the full value of the account. The player should not be punished for the mess CIG has allowed via the grey market.
When they close a refunded account that has gifted items in it, they're literally confiscating the items. They should refund the items purchased through them, while leaving the gifted or Grey market items in the account.
Despite having a legal flaw / law to prevent them from reimbursing trade, we should not be naïf, it is obvious that we are faced with a very elaborate system of marketing to defraud money from backers.
All this already says a lot about what kind of people we are dealing with.
I will dig a little more before putting myself into action.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on April 12, 2017, 12:51:25 PM
Star Citizen refunds have been steadily ramping up; and some people continue to post their experiences/reasons (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/64yoqb/handing_in_my_gun_and_badge/)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on April 19, 2017, 05:15:07 PM
So the latest Star Citizen thread on FDev (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/259596-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v5/page2703) has just been closed (UPDATE: It's back (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/259596-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v5?p=5409721&viewfull=1#post5409721)) because, well, guess why.

Like in the comments for this recent Ars article (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/11/star-citizen-production-schedule-release/), Shitizens are everywhere. Like genetically altered harassment locusts.

Guys like GeraltMasterWitcher (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/11/star-citizen-production-schedule-release/?comments=1&post=33177097#comment-33177097) (his DisturbedJim83 Twitter account banner image is of Geralt of Rivia fer crissakes) aka  DisturbedJim* (https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/profile/DisturbedJim) (James Brand* (http://archive.is/dycNq) as per his Star Citizen game), all they do is create alts (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/11/star-citizen-production-schedule-release/?comments=1&post=33175877#comment-33175877) to go around harassing (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_s3D8WsLVVR/) people.

Think I'm kidding? Take a look at his Reddit profile (https://www.reddit.com/user/disturbedjim). 99% of what he posts, is about me.

Facebook? This was about me (https://www.facebook.com/james.brand.5872/posts/10155207424726779); just mere days ago.

Twitter? Go look and see (https://twitter.com/disturbedjim83).

Then when they find themselves on the ropes, they cry foul (my favorite is how they scream doxing when you link to social media they themselves share online), throw up deflection tactics etc.

This particular lunatic, has at least three alts - that we know of. And he tends to talk to himself back and forth between them.

That's precisely why it's best not to engage him and his ilk. At all.

And we know ALL of them. So it's very easy to spot them when they leave their /r/DS Reddit hate-sub corral.

e.g. Joe Blobber (who we think is Fandred1 - though he denies it, to much hilarity (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/166260954412089344/304347104279789578/screenshot-forums.frontier.co.uk_2017-04-19_15-33-58.jpg)) is another one. His handiwork required lots of mod clean-up in this recent MassivelyOp article (http://massivelyop.com/2017/04/17/star-citizens-3-0-to-simulate-a-first-person-universe-with-almost-no-limits/) comments.

Latest PC Gamer article (http://www.pcgamer.com/star-citizens-30-alpha-will-release-on-june-29/)? Yup, they're there.

Latest GameSpot article (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizen-alpha-30-detailed-as-creator-says-its/1100-6449369/)? Like you have to ask.

These are the Usual Suspects in the Shitizen Army Against Dissent (SAAD) who are waging an Internet-wide war of attrition against any dissenting opinions on this project.

*
His RSI profile has his email publicly listed and it's literally [email protected] or whatever. Also his Disqus (which he uses to comment on all these different SC articles around the web) has his full name on it and is linked to his facebook.

Dec 20, 2015

http://www.informationredux.com/index.php/2015/12/19/the-star-citizen-community-is-souring-the-game/
(http://i.imgur.com/opBfwgo.jpg)

Dec 21, 2015

http://www.informationredux.com/index.php/2015/12/19/the-star-citizen-community-is-souring-the-game/#comment-2419316118
(http://i.imgur.com/fi8NV3M.jpg)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 05, 2017, 06:21:32 AM
So some guy got a referral code to Star Citizen. He created an account, heard about the newsletter etc. Then before he could pull the trigger, he decided to do some more reading.

In the end, he created a Reddit account and posted a reply in this thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/685dz4/weekly_newsletter_cr_on_why_making_star_citizen/) on Sat.

He contacted me on Sat to let me know what they were censoring posts. Thinking that it was because he had a new account, he said he waited. By Sun, it still wasn't showing in the thread. He messaged the mods, and they ignored him.

So he messaged me (on Discord) the entire text. I asked him to post it here in my forum, but he declined, saying that he didn't think my forums were unbiased either. Then I asked him if I could share it. I heard back from him earlier today with his permission to do so. He also says that as of now, the /r/StarCitizen Reddit mods have still not approved the post. He didn't send me the source text, so there is no way to go to the embedded links though.

So yes, they are still censoring posts over there; even though it should be a neutral sub-Reddit. Last week, there was another fiasco in which a widely popular thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/66qrlc/cig_your_marketing_is_too_far_ahead_of_itself/) simply vanished after a bunch of Shitizens (no doubt) kept reporting it when it hit the frontpage. It came back several hours later.

As I wrote over in the PC Invasion article (https://www.pcinvasion.com/chris-roberts-pleads-for-more-money#comment-3283063854) where those guys are in full force, they are the worst thing - besides Chris Roberts - to ever happen to this project.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-vvgq9XgAAKOpn.jpg)

ps: He also sent me his commander profile as proof https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizens/OldSchoolCmdr

UPDATE: OK he created an original thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/) which appears to be showing now
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 05, 2017, 06:22:11 AM
That thread was amazing. We were chatting about it on my Discord channel late last night. Right up to the point where the guy noticed that his thread was removed. It's interesting how all the critical threads over there get removed. Then there is an outcry, and they come back. It happened to two such threads last week.

So apparently those guys there mass reported his thread (as they did to the others) and the auto-moderator removed it. But after this thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68qg4e/why_was_this_mans_post_deleted/dh0jdnh/) happened, it was manually brought back. The poor guy never stood a chance. I mean, look at the -25 downvotes (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68qg4e/why_was_this_mans_post_deleted/dh0hpwa/) just for asking a question as to why his post was removed. It's hilarious that before it was made known why the thread was removed, they were all speculating and trying to find a reason for his post to be removed. Of course they were all wrong.

Some have been attacking him (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh1aowl/) for being me (aka DS) and over in the /r/DS someone else is now speculating that it's RISC911 (a Goon).

If you go to the guy's Reddit profile (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/) and read his comments, it's easy to see why the Usual Suspects would be threatened with reason. He went entirely against their narrative and totally ruffled some knickers.

These were my favorites. I even created an image album (http://imgur.com/a/kknWk) out of them because such p0wning needs to be archived for posterity.

1) About those guys on a hate sub-Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh09w4h/)

Headshot:

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If you think my response is harsh well think about all the other potential backers who don't bother to post anything but who by looking at these things just shake their heads and go away. You see how the Star Citizen community got its bad rap? This is how. Which is sad because every response I received here and which answered my questions and concerns were polite and informative. It is also very interesting to me that most of those people have never posted on /r/DerekSmart afaik.

2) on elevating DS to bogeyman (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh0d5sm/)

3) on DS undermining the project (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh0bztj/)

4) LOL!!! takes on TheGremlich, Shitizen 96 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh08ji2/)

5) About that famous lie (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh03z60/) that "the community voted to expanded the game scope"

About that... (http://dereksmart.com/2016/06/star-citizen-fidelity-of-failure/#comment-3407)

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Jun 12, 2014: POLL: Should we continue to offer stretch goals?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13944-Letter-From-The-Chairman-46-Million

Nov 12, 2012: POLL: What do YOU think we could plan to add to our campaign?
https://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12760-Poll-Additional-Stretch-Goals

Sep 16, 2013: POLL: What should we do with the crowdfunding counter after we reach our goal?
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13266-Letter-From-The-Chairman-19-Million

6) About the need to raise money when the game is already late & over budget (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh0ftrm/)

7) LOL!! You mad, bro? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh09gn2/)

8) On DS being "jealous" of Star Citizen (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh07tj8/)

9) LOL!! Apparently having no credit rating means you can still get business loans (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh07cd1/?context=10000)

10) About those pesky things like schedules (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh00kdb/)

11) where they are now making excuses for why moons instead of planets are coming (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dgzxspm/)

12) The ever-shifting release date goal post (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dgzwglv/)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 05, 2017, 06:23:01 AM
NOTE: Scroll up to see the preview two installments.

Over the past 24hrs, that OldSchoolCmdr (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/) guy on Reddit has literally eviscerated those fools. It's embarrassing to watch. The greatest hits (!) so far:

After the guy said he was going to spend $60 on the game a few days ago, post-attacks, he changed his mind (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh1aowl/).

They are obsessed with this Derek Smart guy (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh3s5s3/)

It pleases me that people take the time to read and understand my pov while not accusing me of being partial or blind or something worse. (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh4xelq/)

TheGremlich steps in it, and gets thrown out a 9th floor window (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh1wvil/). Then he respawns, comes back up, gets shot in the head, and thrown off the roof (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh55o3c/). Well, he respawned again. This time he got shot in the head, set on fire, and buried under a concrete slab (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh5938k/).

Anna-Belle Huxley takes the fallback Ph.D position (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh1ztxg/) and gets her toes nailed to the floorboards   ps: if you know who that is, you're going to love this one.

Some dude comes up with 13 reasons (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh24tm4/) why OldSchoolCmdr is maybe Derek Smart, and gets his eyelids glued to his forehead.

I don't think they will be inviting him (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh1xeaj/) to  /r/DerekSmart again.

That poor sap, messi_knessi didn't stand a chance (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh59m2z/) when he did the same* thing that TheGremlich did.

* This is an old Blues News post from 2008 (https://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&boardid=1&threadid=84288&id=419806&view=threads).

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"I was so excited at the prospects of a good Star Trek game and MMO, that I was rooting for the n00bs, thinking that they hadn't already dipped in the poison well. To the extent that I contacted them in 2004 and offered my consulting (since I had my own games and have no intentions of working for anyone, ever) assistance as well as my seamless space/planetary tech which they could build from. That went nowhere. The rest is history." - 2008

Yeah, I remember that. Actually I met up with two of them at E3 back in 2004 and we had a chat about the direction they were taking. I told them I couldn't work as part of a team because I don't want to work for anyone in that capacity, and I was already working on Universal Combat which came out that same year (2004). It was really just chatting with industry peers and saying "well if you guys need some thoughts and ideas, let me know". I recall that I was trying (for the third time I think) to get the Freespace license in order to do an FS3 after Universal Combat. I ended up doing All Aspect Warfare & Angle Of Attack instead, both of which released in 2009.

This is what messi_knessi stated (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/68wzlu/derek_investigates_mmo_kickstarter_ashes_of/dh41xa5/), which made his statement false. Pretty much the same sort of thing TheGremlich did and just razed for it. This is probably why OldSchoolGamer didn't even reference it because it doesn't at all fit the description of what messi_knessi was saying.

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"I wonder what triggered derek to jump onto the backs of this kickstarter project ... I'm guessing he might have applied for a job or as he calls it "offered his services" and got rejected. Or maybe he offered something to them and got rejected. Like what happened with Star Trek Online and Battlescape Inffinity, where derek publically turn sour on them (saying they will fail) when he got rejected by them."[/b]

Of course we all know what happened with STO before it got taken away, and after.

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: kaizerscythe on May 05, 2017, 08:37:29 AM
I had to read all of it, he wrote everything so eloquently that's just E.P.I.C. :D :D
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 05, 2017, 10:24:53 AM
I had to read all of it, he wrote everything so eloquently that's just E.P.I.C. :D :D

Yeah, that guy is amazing. Too bad he chose not to post here. But I can understand his reason :smugjones:

The Usual Suspects over on /r/DerekSmart/ appear to be ignoring him for now, though I am sure they are reading the thread. So far only those 4 have dared to engage. We Goons are waiting to see if the other highly toxic numskulls like obey_the_fist, redchris18, cymelion, DisturbedJim, Lethality and some of the regulars, will dare to engage him. I would pay to read that.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 05, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
I interrupt this program, to bring you more LOLS (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6wyis/), 2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6x07z/)) from OSC.

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Quick word on the money. Last night while I was continuing my research, I was browsing the project website. I went to the store, looked around, made some notes etc. Then a very disturbing feeling came over me. Say you are a backer who has paid $250 to a company for them to create a game. You see a mouse pad or t-shirt for sale. You buy it. How many backers were able to deduce that they had paid money to CIG, who then used some of that money to manufacture goods at low cost, which they then sold back to the backer at a premium. I am going to leave you with that picture in your mind.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: J How on May 06, 2017, 05:36:17 AM
In trust I can conclusively say he is not Derek Smart (or are we all Derek Smart? by the logic of /r/dereksmart) humph...

They are creating their own drama it seems, although I am tending to shy away from all of it if I can, neither the time or patience anymore to sift through it. It is steadily getting worse for them (/r/ds and /r/starcitizen) just because they now seem to be stuck in this accusative hate cycle and to be honest I've lost all interest in it for that reason.

Still from time to time I get pinged either through discord or email. Looking at how things are right now I don't see it changing anytime soon, they are stuck in the cycle and can't break free from it (at a guess because there is nothing else going on). SC 3.0 keeps on moving goal posts, things changing, things being withdrawn, etc.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 06, 2017, 06:01:12 AM
Yes, that's how a cult works. The problem is that when you have more toxic members, once you let them keep getting away with shit, they will continue until they go overboard. That's the cycle they are in now. And there is no way that they can change that. That train left the station, and even if Star Citizen is released (it won't) and turns out to be the BDSSE, that stigma will still be there. Then just like how the NMS fiasco reached peak, then just died down along with the game, that's precisely what will happen to Star Citizen.

As much as I would absolutely love to take credit for going straight into the /r/starcitizen/ lion's den, and causing angst and consternation, it's not me. That would be the ultimate troll I think.

One of his posts from last night. I was howling. This guy is deviously funny, without even trying it looks like.

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Knowledge for those who seek it, can be found if you look hard enough. Because I choose not to remain ignorant, I made a decision to do as much research as possible so that I could be as effective when discussing this game and controversy with people who have no idea what they're writing about most of the time.
I did make a post asking questions. I got very few answers. But before I could benefit from the vast knowledge in this Reddit, a few of your buddies decided to inflict head shots even before I put my hat down on the table and ordered a drink from the fair maiden of knowledge. From that moment, I realized that my destiny and quest for knowledge lay not with the fair maiden herself, but with her offspring. Google.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 06, 2017, 08:44:39 PM
Yep !

Credit where it is due.

His replies, like Dereks SC blog posts,  are worth reading as examples of how to do "it".

You need not be interested in Sc to learn from them.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 07, 2017, 05:48:18 AM
Yeah, he does.

I have just now caught up with his latest posts

- about the timeline of the first blog that sparked the events now playing out (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6wyis/), 2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6x07z/))

- advising backers to take back their community (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh7ksc7/), 2 (http://2))

Also, I did an impromptu Periscope broadcast (https://www.pscp.tv/dsmart/1vAxRbeeRorxl) yesterday in response to his post above. He says he will be commenting (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh87opv/) on it later today. I can't wait.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 08, 2017, 06:30:20 AM
I am banned from that Reddit for suggesting that BoredGamer might go off the deep end when Star Citizen crashes because he has invested so much time into promoting it.

He is apparently suffering from depression and I got jumped on for being beyond the pale.

ClinicallyDepressedGamer would obviously be a more appropriate handle for him.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 08, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that /r/ds thinks I'm OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/); and if so, that means I've been owning them completely all week?  :vince:

He wrote two masterpieces this morning about the potential legal situation for CIG (Sandi's in it).

WHY CIG IS LEGALLY FUCKED (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh9j762/))

And since he showed up and dragged Jester86 (/r/ds mod) into his thread and gave him a 10K word lashing (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8ww71/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8wx2o/)) about his toxic Reddit, /r/ds has been in complete meltdown mode.

This was a lovely takedown (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8qde0/) when they claimed that I called Sandi a prostitute. They claim to be "archiving", but nobody could find a single instance of me saying it. Weird, that.

That guy is brutal. When I grow up, I want to be just like him.  :glomp:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 09, 2017, 06:37:07 AM
This is the mic-dropping money shot, right here:
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Dr Smart claims to have done the research. What you and I believe to be true, doesn't matter. What matters is that he dared to put it in writing, complete with cited sources and references. Because he did this, leaving himself open to a destructive open and shut defamation case if it was false, normal people would have every reason to believe him when he writes that Ms Gardiner lied about her credentials. And in doing so, as an exec married to the boss, she hurts the company in a lot of ways that will only be obvious if there is a lawsuit down the road from this project.

I admit I initially wondered if you had shot your mouth off at first. God knows you could be a hothead years back 

Now I don't believe you did. And the fact that CIG had money to burn in a legal shoving match with the Escapist's owner, but not to squash you? It's the dog that didn't bark, as Holmes might say.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 09, 2017, 07:09:12 AM
This is the mic-dropping money shot, right here:
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Dr Smart claims to have done the research. What you and I believe to be true, doesn't matter. What matters is that he dared to put it in writing, complete with cited sources and references. Because he did this, leaving himself open to a destructive open and shut defamation case if it was false, normal people would have every reason to believe him when he writes that Ms Gardiner lied about her credentials. And in doing so, as an exec married to the boss, she hurts the company in a lot of ways that will only be obvious if there is a lawsuit down the road from this project.

I admit I initially wondered if you had shot your mouth off at first. God knows you could be a hothead years back 

Now I don't believe you did. And the fact that CIG had money to burn in a legal shoving match with the Escapist's owner, but not to squash you? It's the dog that didn't bark, as Holmes might say.

I have business degree and specialised in Marketing and IT.   

There is lot done at CIG that would indicate that they lack professional experience in sufficient depth in a number of areas.

Sandi was always a prime suspect when it came to actually being qualified for a VP Marketing role and of course it would take minutes to put up the evidence she had qualifications.

Not that that reduces the apparent risk Derek took in publishing his blog.

I don't know enough about USA law, but presumably Sandi could have been hired as a Presenter/Actor and paid quite a lot for doing videos etc - a lower risk way of paying her a relatively high salary that claiming she had the experience to be a VP of Marketing.   Who is to say she hasn't been paid for two roles, VP Marketing and a separate job as a Presenter/Actor.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 09, 2017, 07:14:41 AM
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that /r/ds thinks I'm OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/); and if so, that means I've been owning them completely all week?  :vince:

He wrote two masterpieces this morning about the potential legal situation for CIG (Sandi's in it).

WHY CIG IS LEGALLY FUCKED (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh9j762/))

And since he showed up and dragged Jester86 (/r/ds mod) into his thread and gave him a 10K word lashing (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8ww71/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8wx2o/)) about his toxic Reddit, /r/ds has been in complete meltdown mode.

This was a lovely takedown (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8qde0/) when they claimed that I called Sandi a prostitute. They claim to be "archiving", but nobody could find a single instance of me saying it. Weird, that.

That guy is brutal. When I grow up, I want to be just like him.  :glomp:

I am having to look up what anti-SLAAP is.

It sounds to me like some cosmetic surgery procedure for women worried about the size of their beef curtains
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Flashwit on May 09, 2017, 11:13:33 AM
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that /r/ds thinks I'm OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/); and if so, that means I've been owning them completely all week?  :vince:

He wrote two masterpieces this morning about the potential legal situation for CIG (Sandi's in it).

WHY CIG IS LEGALLY FUCKED (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh9j762/))

And since he showed up and dragged Jester86 (/r/ds mod) into his thread and gave him a 10K word lashing (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8ww71/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8wx2o/)) about his toxic Reddit, /r/ds has been in complete meltdown mode.

This was a lovely takedown (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8qde0/) when they claimed that I called Sandi a prostitute. They claim to be "archiving", but nobody could find a single instance of me saying it. Weird, that.

That guy is brutal. When I grow up, I want to be just like him.  :glomp:

I am having to look up what anti-SLAAP is.

It sounds to me like some cosmetic surgery procedure for women worried about the size of their beef curtains

He spelled it wrong as it's actually anti-SLAPP (as in anti-Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation). SLAPP lawsuits are generally used by corporations against little guys to pressure them into shutting the hell up about any complaints they have about the corporation. They generally aren't lawsuits that the corporation expects to win, but the idea is that the legal costs are negligible to them while being extortionate for the little guy.

So the little guy will be forced into shutting the hell up because they cannot afford the legal costs, even on the minimal chance that they lose the (generally) frivolous lawsuits that are filed to silence them. It was actually a SLAPP suit that led to the creation of the well-known 'Streisand Effect'.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 09, 2017, 01:06:13 PM
I interrupt this program, to bring you more LOLS (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6wyis/), 2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh6x07z/)) from OSC.

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Quick word on the money. Last night while I was continuing my research, I was browsing the project website. I went to the store, looked around, made some notes etc. Then a very disturbing feeling came over me. Say you are a backer who has paid $250 to a company for them to create a game. You see a mouse pad or t-shirt for sale. You buy it. How many backers were able to deduce that they had paid money to CIG, who then used some of that money to manufacture goods at low cost, which they then sold back to the backer at a premium. I am going to leave you with that picture in your mind.

There's a t-shirt!!  :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_aM8eiWsAAh00q.jpg)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 09, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
LOL!! Listen to Twerk17 compare the Eve and ED communities to Star Citizen's community. It starts around 1:12

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 09, 2017, 02:08:50 PM
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that /r/ds thinks I'm OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/); and if so, that means I've been owning them completely all week?  :vince:

He wrote two masterpieces this morning about the potential legal situation for CIG (Sandi's in it).

WHY CIG IS LEGALLY FUCKED (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh9j762/))

And since he showed up and dragged Jester86 (/r/ds mod) into his thread and gave him a 10K word lashing (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8ww71/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8wx2o/)) about his toxic Reddit, /r/ds has been in complete meltdown mode.

This was a lovely takedown (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh8qde0/) when they claimed that I called Sandi a prostitute. They claim to be "archiving", but nobody could find a single instance of me saying it. Weird, that.

That guy is brutal. When I grow up, I want to be just like him.  :glomp:

Some of OldSchoolCmdr (OCG) latest hits.

1) He keeps asking Shitizens for evidence of all the things they are claiming. He has had several exchanges with this one guy, but man, this one was hilarious (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhai84w/).

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That's not evidence. You haven't provided any. You have failed, at every instance, to provide any evidence of anything that you have claimed.
If I were interrogating or deposing you, I think you would start sweating first, even as the feelings of despair creates knots in your stomach, and cramp your feet. You will then shift in your seat, to ease the discomfort, and reach for the glass of water you've almost finished, despite being only 5 mins into a gruesome 2 hr long session. You will stutter, and stammer, and repeat questions, as your brain finds every ploy to think on your feet. Then at the point you decide that you've been wasting everyone's time, it will occur to you that everything you just said on the record, not only cause you more harm, but you never produced any evidence to back up anything you claimed. That's when the crying usually starts. Followed by the 3rd or 4th bathroom break.

2) They keep accusing me - without evidence - of saying mean things about Sandi. When one guy ask "Alright. So as long as she isn't willing to indulge him in court, he gets to claim whatever he wants as per usual.", this was his response (PT1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoaf/), PT2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhaeoiv/)).

3) Some guy watched my Periscope video over the weekend and somehow concluded that my priorities had changed. Of course he went to misrepresent my actual statements. This was the response (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhcaasd/) by OSC. Part of that, he wrote up a list of FOUR things that I had been right about since 2015. These are things that Shitizens keep ignoring btw; even as they create a lengthy bogus list about my failed (my favorite is the "90 days to collapse one") predictions. Yes, they're morons.

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5) that he was right about a lot of things back in 2015.

(a) the money: they would need $150m. 2 years later they are at $148m and game still not done

(b) the engine: they didn't have the tech or the right engine. 2 years later they switched to LumberYard

(c) refunds: they were not doing no-questions-asked refunds as they should. they started doing it 2 years later after one person tested his theory about the TOS which they later changed to strengthen that aspect

(d) schedule: which they started doing 2 yrs later

Also, we had an exchange when he was asking me about Jester86 (mod of /r/ds) regarding his comment here. He had posted it here (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhbbgh2/), but the /r/StarCitizen/ mod removed (here's why (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhc8i3g/)) it because he said OSC was re-posting something on my behalf. Here is the full text. Goons had also made an image (http://i.imgur.com/RCsWKsv.jpg) before it was removed.



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Hi /u/jester86

Sorry to tag you, but I will never post in your Reddit, and I didn't want to send you a message because you had posted about this in public. I felt that you would want his response to your comment in the public domain as well.

Anyway, I had some exchanges with Dr. Smart, and he confirms what you said to me. He gave me the all clear to share his comment. Below is quoted verbatim; I only removed a word I would not want to use here.
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    i) I don't always agree with how the Reddit is moderated sometimes, but the mods (mostly that Jester86 guy) have been diligent in removing objectionable material. Sure he is biased, but I don't believe that he is intentionally condoning what those guys have devolved the Reddit into; and I think that it would be unfair to pin it all on him. Those guys are completely unhinged, and it's a full time job to keep them in line. I read your two page posts to him, and though you didn't specifically go after him, I thought your closing paragraph (forgotten what page it was on) was a bit harsh. He has never attacked me, nor treated me with any disrespect. Disdain and annoyance? Maybe. He responds to my messages, we argue sometimes, but that's the gist of it. The last time we had an argument was about 3-4 weeks ago when he found out that my attorneys and I had opened an active dialog/complaint with Reddit upper echelons, and we were already discussing the Reddit with them. Yes, he is overseeing a toxic Reddit, but he's right, he didn't create it. He inherited it and without him, I believe that the creator would either close it, or let it devolve (which would get it shutdown by Reddit) into a worse problem. Think about what happened in Libya when Ghadafi was killed, or Iraq when Saddam was killed.

    ii) Is it an attack sub (I call it a hate-Redd), well, you be the judge. But by the same token, I don't want to see it closed. They have a right to voice their opinion as much as they want; and the collection of what's there, as you yourself have written, falls right in the middle of harassment territory. So the Reddit is serving precisely the purpose for which it was intended: archiving their on-going harassment (via a proxy war they are fighting for RSI). That being, a collection of toxic Star Citizens (aka ******) showing the true nature of the most vocal part of the community. It's like herding cats. We know where they are - all the time. And when this train-wreck finally goes off the last rail, that's where we are going to be drinking their tears from. So closing that Reddit would rob me and my Goon friends, of that hilarity. It will also remove legacy data which may come in handy in any lawsuit stemming from this train-wreck. Also we have a code of conduct. I feed them scraps via my social media feed once in awhile; they "archive" it, then feed their angst, ego, and fetishes, for a few hundred posts. On good days, I can yield over 150 posts just by Tweeting nonsense (in 140 chars or less) just to wind them up while sitting on the toilet. Sometimes if I am busy or write something elsewhere (e.g. on my forum, SomethingAwful or Frontier Dev), they can get a lunch buffet which lasts them a few days. A really good one (e.g. if I point out the technical challenges of the project, or say something about their erstwhile Messiah) tends to yield several threads and 350+ posts.

    iii) I saw a thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/69xkmh/meta_disabling_comments/) in which Jester86 is looking to turn off comments. Aside from the fact that the OP clearly proves that they are in a harassment campaign because they would rather "I shut up about their stupid game", I think it's a bad idea (see above). What I think he should do is, identify the top (there are 9-13 of them) abusers, then put them all on auto-mod. Most of the other guys (think of the weaklings in a prison, walking around holding the pocket of their master) are just there for the lols. My crazy Goon friends (who are no angels btw. some tend to get carried away, and ruin everything) usually pick these guys off, make them weep (we can tell), which then brings in the big guns (the real targets). Are they mocking me? Hell yeah! Do I care? Well, you've seen me on Usenet - what do you think? That stuff tends not to faze me. It's when they dox me, bring my family and personal affairs/life into things, that I tend to take the gloves off and go postal. All their accusations of doxing, stalking etc are nonsense. It just feeds their angst. I know all the ones who are in the US, but my goal is not to spend legal bills on idiots who will just cry into a bowl the first time they received a court order. I have bigger fish to fry; and that bbq is coming sooner than they think.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 10, 2017, 05:48:01 AM
They seem to have given up replying now.

Game Set and Match I say !

(http://www.totallysporty.com/images/gallery/thumbnails/Wimbledon%20Tennis%20London-%20scoreboard%20Berdych%20v%20Tobias%20Kamke_800x800.JPG)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 10, 2017, 07:48:35 AM
They seem to have given up replying now.

It appears so. I guess getting consistently owned has its downsides. I particularly liked this latest post (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dhcpbbf/) from last night where one of those clowns was trying to deny facts surrounding all the key things that I have been correct about.

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 11, 2017, 03:55:56 PM
OSC is back with another masterful post (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6aek0o/video_game_raised_148_million_from_fans_now_its/dhftuhh/). This time, taking on the money issue.

FYI: In case you missed his recent take (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6aek0o/video_game_raised_148_million_from_fans_now_its/dhegg0k/) on the toxic community, as per the NYT article.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 13, 2017, 06:28:57 AM
So last night Redditor OldSchoolCmdr who has been a thorn in the sides of toxic Star Citizen backers these past two weeks (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1519#msg1519) made a fantabulous post (image (http://imgur.com/V5JxFeG.jpg)) about the project financials.

Whatever happened, shortly after his Reddit account (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/) disappeared. Though we don't know this to be true, word is that the /r/StarCitizen mods probably got him shadowbanned (http://nullprogram.com/am-i-shadowbanned/#OldSchoolCmdr) by their Reddit admin friends. Either that, or as Shitizens are known to do, they probably mass reported his thread and his account got auto-shadowbanned by a Reddit bot.

They did the same thing to me when I encroached on their Reddit hug box. Trevor Noblitt (https://www.cae.tntech.edu/~oelkeelany/1020F14/photogallery/2014-08-27%2014.14.20.jpg) (/u/Dolvak/) when he was a mod of /r/StarCitizen, got a Reddit admin to shadowban (it no longer is) my account for dubious (apparently posting a LinkedIn url is doxing now) reasons. It wasn't long before he was caught in a scandal, and forced to step aside as mod due to shady business (http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/05/star-citizen-the-inn-conspiracy/) between him, INN (a Star Citizen shillizen site) where he used to "write", and CIG. He is one of the guys who, along with the existing mods in /r/StarCitizen and /r/DerekSmart, put that Reddit under the control of some CIG community members who they have a long standing relationship with. This is why most of the Star Citizen backers are mindful of the fact that their Reddit is under the control by of CIG by proxy. The same way that some of those same mods are also mods and purveyors of profit in /r/StarCitizen_Trades where Star Citizen ships are bought and sold.

For the past two weeks, some Star Citizen backers have been speculating that he was either my alt, or the alt of a Goon. I can safely say that, as much as I would love to take credit for the hilarious consternation (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg1521#msg1521) that he's caused those delusional toxic clowns, I'm not him. And AFAIK, none of the Goons have taken credit. In fact, the only Goon that we know of who can match me for voluminous (aka effort posts) writings, Gorf, has been MIA for months now, saying that he was sick of the Star Citizen fiasco.

The hilarious thing is that some of those Shitizen clowns have been tying themselves in knots coming up with all kinds of reasons why they think he's my alt. Bear in mind that those guys are so nuts that any time they see a dissenting post they claim it's either me or a Goon using an alt. 

I don't, never have, never will use alts. People who have known me since Usenet, know this about me. Using alts didn't earn me my Internet Warlord medals and stripes. Accusing an opposing person of being an alt, is the oldest deflection trick in the social media book of discourse.

Their primary reasons behind their claims of OSC being me? 

1) He writes effort posts like I do
2) He sometimes references my blogs and writings, and appears to believe them
3) That he can put together an entire coherent paragraph
4) My writing "style". apparently using (1,2,3) nomenclature for cited sources, a staple of Reddit, Wikipedia and most comment systems, is so unique that anyone who uses it, is me
5) I write about his posts

Yes, it's all so hilarious.

The fact that he never uses hyperbole, sticks to facts and evidence in his posts etc, are all safely ignored of course. And he was always polite, and never lost his cool - no matter how fast and furious the attacks were. Don't take my word for it, go look at his posts. Now that his Reddit user profile is gone, you can't see all of them in one place, but his posts are easy to find in the only three threads he has posted in since he appeared on Reddit two weeks ago.

May 12th, 2017, Let's Talk Financial Accountability (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6auyeh/star_citizen_lets_talk_financial_accountability/)
May 10th, 2017, Videogame Raised $148 Million From Fans (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6aek0o/video_game_raised_148_million_from_fans_now_its/)
May 1st, 2017, Potential Backer With Questions (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/)

Remember when I said it was hilarious?

Anyway, I have reached out to him via Lockbin (where he first contacted me two weeks ago) to ask if he heard from Reddit about why his account was shadowbanned. I will post when I know more. Hopefully it was just Shitizens up to their suppression tactics again, and this was just a bot that banned his account.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Lir on May 13, 2017, 06:42:06 AM
Bah; let them make OSC beeing you if that is all they can come up with. These stupids will never understand anything outside their SC bubble , what I find more worrying is in the case the admins really shadowbanned him based on presumptions...
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 14, 2017, 07:54:55 AM
Bah; let them make OSC beeing you if that is all they can come up with. These stupids will never understand anything outside their SC bubble , what I find more worrying is in the case the admins really shadowbanned him based on presumptions...

I heard back from him. He says he is shadowbanned and that he contacted the mods since Fri; but nobody has responded to him. Even /u/qwints who used to engage in his subjects. Which means that this was definitely something that the mods did.

Meanwhile, /u/Jester86 who is the mod of /r/ds/ had this to say (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6ay2ty/dks_on_twitter_so_those_toxic_clowns_somehow_got/dhift09/?context=3) about it:

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A brand new account with minimal karma can be flagged as a spam bot if nearly all their comments are flagged as spam. I'm not saying that's what happened, or even possible in this case, but if someone posts exclusively on one sub and the mods go through their entire history to flag everything as spam a shadowban can be imposed automatically.

Meanwhile, the Star Citizen community outrage over CCu fees continues. This one is eye-opening (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6b0kq8/cig_marketing_community_teams_sit_down_chill_out/dhiy4sr/).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_y5mPyXUAAyeeF.jpg)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Mr M on May 14, 2017, 08:09:10 AM
I see the citizens have updated their game development graph...

(http://i.imgur.com/nb4RCBe.png)

So I thought I'd join in the fun ;)

(https://s22.postimg.org/3k20dyutt/SC-chart.jpg)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Lir on May 14, 2017, 08:15:37 AM
There was an interesting graph posted few times ago, that included the pre-alpha comparison times. SC was the ever going prealpha compared to everyother, making the whole development time a joke.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 14, 2017, 08:46:55 AM
Yeah, they use those graphs as if CIG is already a seasoned dev with shipped games. They're fucking morons.
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: dsmart on May 14, 2017, 08:47:46 AM
$1,500 refund (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6b3d9i/applied_for_a_refund_now_we_wait/)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 14, 2017, 09:38:39 AM
I heard back from him. He says he is shadowbanned and that he contacted the mods since Fri; but nobody has responded to him. Even /u/qwints who used to engage in his subjects. Which means that this was definitely something that the mods did.

Looks like OSC is back, but in a different Reddit

Star Citizen - Let's Talk Financial Accountability (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6b4nag/star_citizen_lets_talk_financial_accountability/)

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: mixalot on May 16, 2017, 03:34:44 PM
At best SQ42 is going to be a 2020 release. Currently CIG hasn't even nailed down the basic foundation of their flight model let alone any cockpit functionality, navigation system, weapon system balance, ECM/ECCM, scanning, etc. All that's going to take at least another 3-4 years to complete.

As far as the PU is concerned...we're talking 2025 at best for a full MMO experience that people will actually pay money for and not rage on because of shattered dreams. And that's assuming that 1) CIG doesn't run out of money beforehand, and 2) it's actually somehow physically possible within the computer industry to have hundreds of high-'fidelity' Cryengine ships all in the same instance at the same time and not have the server be running at 3.5 FPS.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 16, 2017, 03:40:53 PM
At best SQ42 is going to be a 2020 release. Currently CIG hasn't even nailed down the basic foundation of their flight model let alone any cockpit functionality, navigation system, weapon system balance, ECM/ECCM, scanning, etc. All that's going to take at least another 3-4 years to complete.

As far as the PU is concerned...we're talking 2025 at best for a full MMO experience that people will actually pay money for and not rage on because of shattered dreams. And that's assuming that 1) CIG doesn't run out of money beforehand, and 2) it's actually somehow physically possible within the computer industry to have hundreds of high-'fidelity' Cryengine ships all in the same instance at the same time and not have the server be running at 3.5 FPS.

And if that PU ever arrived, the Real Money Trade businesses would be all over it robbing ships, currency, accounts etc and pissing off many of the players.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 16, 2017, 04:52:28 PM
Looks like OSC is back, but in a different Reddit

Star Citizen - Let's Talk Financial Accountability (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6b4nag/star_citizen_lets_talk_financial_accountability/)

So OSC has been unbanned and is back (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6b4nag/star_citizen_lets_talk_financial_accountability/dhmjd2l/)!. Apparently those clowns mass reported him for spam, and got him auto-banned. Of course this goes completely against all the lies they were telling, saying that admins figured out that he was my alt and all that nonsense. Shocking that a bunch of harassers parked on a hate subreddit would tell heinous lies. Shocking.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Flashwit on May 17, 2017, 09:12:52 AM
Meanwhile, the Star Citizen community outrage over CCu fees continues. This one is eye-opening (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6b0kq8/cig_marketing_community_teams_sit_down_chill_out/dhiy4sr/).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_y5mPyXUAAyeeF.jpg)

Ah interesting, I didn't realize right away this was posted in a thread made by NKato. He's actually a well-known member of Test Squadron (the star citizen equivalent of EVE Online's Dreddit corporation/Test Alliance, Please Ignore). It's interesting because NKato is REALLY into Star Citizen. He's well known for his immense amount of writing on Star Citizen theory-crafting  and has obviously also put a lot of money into it. I guess it goes to show that the more intellectually stable members of the Star Citizen community are still capable of realizing when things have gotten out of hand.

(I am also a member of Test Squadron)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 17, 2017, 03:41:43 PM
Meanwhile, the Star Citizen community outrage over CCu fees continues. This one is eye-opening (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6b0kq8/cig_marketing_community_teams_sit_down_chill_out/dhiy4sr/).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_y5mPyXUAAyeeF.jpg)

Ah interesting, I didn't realize right away this was posted in a thread made by NKato. He's actually a well-known member of Test Squadron (the star citizen equivalent of EVE Online's Dreddit corporation/Test Alliance, Please Ignore). It's interesting because NKato is REALLY into Star Citizen. He's well known for his immense amount of writing on Star Citizen theory-crafting  and has obviously also put a lot of money into it. I guess it goes to show that the more intellectually stable members of the Star Citizen community are still capable of realizing when things have gotten out of hand.

(I am also a member of Test Squadron)

Yeah, I saw that when it first went up.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: mixalot on May 17, 2017, 04:54:41 PM
It's my personal opinion that issues like the CCU fee/removal are just recurring symptoms of large-scale project management failure. We can point to various things that Roberts does to piss off the community, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to this: CIG is in year 5 (6) of their development and they're still trying to figure out if they can build the game they promised. Think about that and forget all the content, new NPC missions, ship balance, flight model, etc... After all this time they don't even have the basic tech figured out to do what they've promised to everyone.

Roberts might be incompetent but I don't think he's dumb. I think he knows that his company is really struggling, and I think a lot of what he's doing is intentional and out of desperation to either get more money out of backers or to gloss over the fact that the project is in serious trouble. In this case, the CCU outrage was because he tried to milk backers and CIG tried to alter their course by blaming the decision on 0.05% of backers who'd stockpiled tons of CCUs.

So instead of dealing with the minuscule portion of backers who were abusing the system (a system that CIG themselves put in place and didn't regulate properly), they use it as an excuse to justify a new policy that will net them financial gain.

I mean, this is incredible. And not in a good way. 
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 17, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
It's my personal opinion that issues like the CCU fee/removal are just recurring symptoms of large-scale project management failure. We can point to various things that Roberts does to piss off the community, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to this: CIG is in year 5 (6) of their development and they're still trying to figure out if they can build the game they promised. Think about that and forget all the content, new NPC missions, ship balance, flight model, etc... After all this time they don't even have the basic tech figured out to do what they've promised to everyone.

Roberts might be incompetent but I don't think he's dumb. I think he knows that his company is really struggling, and I think a lot of what he's doing is intentional and out of desperation to either get more money out of backers or to gloss over the fact that the project is in serious trouble. In this case, the CCU outrage was because he tried to milk backers and CIG tried to alter their course by blaming the decision on 0.05% of backers who'd stockpiled tons of CCUs.

So instead of dealing with the minuscule portion of backers who were abusing the system (a system that CIG themselves put in place and didn't regulate properly), they use it as an excuse to justify a new policy that will net them financial gain.

I mean, this is incredible. And not in a good way.

Roberts doesn't need to be especially dumb to be stuck in his bubble.

He seems absolutely OK with repeating the idea that this is an open ended project. 

Technical challenges can be overcome and he can always remain optimistic about which new JPEGs he can sell to existing and new Backers.

Press coverage is still largely positive.

It is going to be a lot easier for him to believe his team can deliver and they have a vested interest in trundling along letting him believe that.

It is easy for him to believe a large percent of Backers enjoy the ride and will give him more time.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 18, 2017, 05:26:14 AM
It's my personal opinion that issues like the CCU fee/removal are just recurring symptoms of large-scale project management failure. We can point to various things that Roberts does to piss off the community, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to this: CIG is in year 5 (6) of their development and they're still trying to figure out if they can build the game they promised. Think about that and forget all the content, new NPC missions, ship balance, flight model, etc... After all this time they don't even have the basic tech figured out to do what they've promised to everyone.

Roberts might be incompetent but I don't think he's dumb. I think he knows that his company is really struggling, and I think a lot of what he's doing is intentional and out of desperation to either get more money out of backers or to gloss over the fact that the project is in serious trouble. In this case, the CCU outrage was because he tried to milk backers and CIG tried to alter their course by blaming the decision on 0.05% of backers who'd stockpiled tons of CCUs.

So instead of dealing with the minuscule portion of backers who were abusing the system (a system that CIG themselves put in place and didn't regulate properly), they use it as an excuse to justify a new policy that will net them financial gain.

I mean, this is incredible. And not in a good way.

It all boils down to arrogance and hubris. They ignored the referral outrage because it doesn't affect their bottom line. But the CCU outrage which was a blatant cash grab, regardless of how many backers were abusing the system, was a wakeup call for them. Even expiring them is a problem. They created this whole problem right off the bat; and in doing so, they created the Grey market - which has all but collapsed now due to various CIG changes since 2015.

They are still going to make money from concepts and ship sales; but I think they already know that the writing is on the wall that those resources have all but dried up in terms of long-term financial gain. At this point, they really have no choice but to downsize publicly. They've been downsizing quietly since early 2016 by getting rid of various external studios even though their work on the project wasn't even complete. And BHVR was the most recent from end of 2016 (even though I had leaked that info back then, croberts only acknowledged it in a newsletter earlier this year). I continue to hear that the downsizing is on-going, and that the jobs page is just for show (a lot of companies do this, even though they're not actually hiring).

The project is FUBAR, and we all have a front row seat to its inevitable collapse.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 19, 2017, 04:01:41 AM
OK this is getting kinda ridonculous now.

So OSC (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr) made a massive post Let's Talk LumberYard Engine Switch (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6c0778/lets_talk_lumberyard_engine_switch/) yesterday. Key point:

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"CIG spent millions to license a stock game engine, spent additional millions over several years to build a custom game engine; only to then scrap it for another custom engine. While Amazon spent millions to buy a stock engine license, is spending millions to improve it, and then released it as a more superior engine to CIG's (who had a huge head start over Amazon) own offering."

The /r/StarCitizen mods banned him shortly thereafter (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/6c06zl/so_i_have_been_banned_from_rstarcitizen/).  The reason?

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I messaged the mod to ask why. And got this response. At least they're not pretending anymore.

"Your close interaction with Derek Smart."

:laugh:

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 19, 2017, 04:58:48 AM
They have no integrity whatsoever.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 19, 2017, 09:38:32 AM
They have no integrity whatsoever.

None. They tried to ban him by mass reporting his previous post as spam. That got him shadowbanned. When that didn't work as expected (he was unbanned by a Reddit admin), they decided to just say "fuck it", we're going to ban him anyway - because we can.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on May 19, 2017, 09:45:20 AM
They have no integrity whatsoever.

None. They tried to ban him by mass reporting his previous post as spam. That got him shadowbanned. When that didn't work as expected (he was unbanned by a Reddit admin), they decided to just say "fuck it", we're going to ban him anyway - because we can.

I am not that familiar with Reddit, but isn't it possible/sensible to create an alternative Reddit for SC ?
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 19, 2017, 03:08:22 PM
They have no integrity whatsoever.

None. They tried to ban him by mass reporting his previous post as spam. That got him shadowbanned. When that didn't work as expected (he was unbanned by a Reddit admin), they decided to just say "fuck it", we're going to ban him anyway - because we can.

I am not that familiar with Reddit, but isn't it possible/sensible to create an alternative Reddit for SC ?

Yeah of course. But why bother? Those guys aren't worth it. Plus it's not like OSC is out to cause problems. All he is doing is expressing concern; while getting attacked by proxy (because for some dumb reason, some still believe that he is my alt account - which is nonsense)
Title: Re: Citizen. Get a Refund
Post by: StanTheMan on May 19, 2017, 06:11:01 PM
 :gary:

$3900 Refund
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6c51rw/is_this_the_line_for_refunds_if_so_count_my_4300/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6c51rw/is_this_the_line_for_refunds_if_so_count_my_4300/)



Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on May 24, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
Looks like /r/ds is on the verge of implosion

(http://i.imgur.com/UBYIjpb.jpg)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on June 05, 2017, 04:12:40 AM
Ah yeah, fun times.  :laugh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4z3usj/comments_from_derek_smart_on_rstarcitizen_discord/d6stnqg/
(http://imgur.com/h0ZcM0s.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4vuc71/breaking_news_its_official_squadron_42_is_not/d61hhj2/
(http://imgur.com/xJJGRu4.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4zibtf/derek_smart_or_maybe_that_what_i_said_in_2015_was/d6wwet3/
(http://imgur.com/jKX49CL.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4x4qky/after_seeing_the_much_touted_25_patch_land_with_a/d6cj3dl/
(http://imgur.com/qOHUU0u.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4x4qky/after_seeing_the_much_touted_25_patch_land_with_a/d6cr1ez/
(http://imgur.com/QQ1pXlK.jpg)

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on June 05, 2017, 10:06:27 AM
I'm getting to the point now that I really want to see CIG come crashing down. Let this just be over so we can watch how the remaining idiots handle that. That'll be fun  :D
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on June 06, 2017, 11:22:33 AM
SoTA backers looking for a refund, now using Star Citizen article & Reddit refunds page for guidance (https://www.reddit.com/r/shroudoftheavatar/comments/6flj9p/looking_for_a_refund_chris_portalarium_developer/)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on June 06, 2017, 02:11:47 PM

9) LOL!! Apparently having no credit rating means you can still get business loans (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/dh07cd1/?context=10000)

So who remembers the OSC thread above?

Well, Goons found this old Lesnick post:

(http://i.imgur.com/9qTc9wq.png)
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"at the end of the day we have to keep bringing in some amount of revenue to operate the way we are right now. That's not because we haven't raised a heck of a lot of money... but there are a number of fairly dull business reasons why it has to continue in some way (the largest has to do with, per my understanding, credit... anyone remember how hard it was to secure the lease in Austin with such an odd business model?" - Ben Lesnick, 2015

Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on June 14, 2017, 04:53:27 PM
Concierge (big bux) backer is out.  I hope you'll welcome me to the "dirty leavers club"  (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6h6bf1/i_hope_youll_welcome_me_to_the_dirty_leavers_club/)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on June 15, 2017, 12:01:26 PM
oh.  :vince:

(http://i.imgur.com/BUjNkFN.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChroniclesOfElyria/comments/6gx88x/does_anyone_else_feel_the_ambition_of_this_game/ditutqg/?context=3

FYI. Jester86 is one of the mods of /r/ds (Derek Smart hate-club
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on June 26, 2017, 04:58:20 AM
In case you didn't see my Tweets, OldSchoolCmdr is back!. And he wrote 3 books (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jear8/star_citizen_now_belongs_to_the_bank/djdxa18/), 2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jgfq0/official_cig_response_to_the_loan_news/djeboh2/),  3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jgfq0/official_cig_response_to_the_loan_news/djeboq8/))

All his Reddit comments (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/).

In case you missed his previous, go back to p3 of this thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.30), where it all started back in May.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 26, 2017, 05:59:34 AM
In case you didn't see my Tweets, OldSchoolCmdr is back!. And he wrote 3 books (1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jear8/star_citizen_now_belongs_to_the_bank/djdxa18/), 2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jgfq0/official_cig_response_to_the_loan_news/djeboh2/),  3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6jgfq0/official_cig_response_to_the_loan_news/djeboq8/))

All his Reddit comments (https://www.reddit.com/user/OldSchoolCmdr/comments/).

In case you missed his previous, go back to p3 of this thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.30), where it all started back in May.

Jesus on a nuclear-powered pogo stick. If people aren't at least a little twitchy now, there's no explaining it to them.

I just hope the fallout doesn't hit crowdfunding in general at this rate. I know, I know, Doc, you've stated it shouldn't. There's just a LOT of money involved in this mess, and governments LOVE to get their grubby little hands involved when there's lots of money.

Kinda sad though. I played Freelancer and actually enjoyed it, but you could tell it had been cauterized into the game it was. CR reminds me of people who brag about 'vision' and 'the big picture'... but don't realize that details are how you get those big pictures realized. The line about 'don't sweat the small stuff' is stupid; it should be 'don't sweat the big picture; focus on getting the details and the big picture will resolve accordingly'.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on June 26, 2017, 09:11:39 AM
They are mostly in denial.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizen-loan-coutts-and-co

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Question remains why they need such a small loan now (tax rebate is estimate below $5 million) and why they had to give the bank a floating charge and negative pledge. It's not currency exchange rate, that is the biggest bullshit i ever heard because neither CIG nor the Bank knows how the pound will develop and it might even cost CIG more if the pound recovers.

Floating Charge means that from now on everything F42 UK does is covered as collateral even if it does not exist yet. They create a new ship, it's automatically part of the collateral. Which extends to Star Citizen. The exclusion of Star Citizen is in name only (the IP).

Negative Pledge means that F42UK and parent company can not get any other loans. If for example CIG US would try to get a loan in the US and send money to CIG UK they would be in breach of contract and default on the loan.

This is typically only done for bailout loans. Never for a simple advance on tax were you typically only put up the tax credit as security and maybe a savings account.

The Bank obviously thought that there is a good chance CIG will not make it to the end of the fiscal year to get the tax rebate and therefor asked them to put up everything. This is a private Bank that knows when to make profit and it is pretty obvious that they have attached a very high interest rate on this and hope CIG will default.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: Meowz on July 05, 2017, 10:11:15 PM
Add 1k to the refund pile that I pulled out.
Title: Re: Sober Citizens(Those who took the blue pill)
Post by: dsmart on July 06, 2017, 04:46:57 AM
Add 1k to the refund pile that I pulled out.

Noyce!! If it's not too much trouble, be sure to let the gang know over at http://reddit.com/r/StarCitizen_Refunds/
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 09, 2017, 08:52:57 AM
ALERT!!! OldSchoolCmdr is back and posting again! (https://www.reddit.com/user/oldschoolcmdr/comments) He wrote two books.  :vince:

Also says Star Citizen isn't a scam, compares me to Harry Markopolos (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6lx4k0/star_citizen_crafting_procedural_moons_analysis/djydf6l/)

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 09, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
ALERT!!! OldSchoolCmdr is back and posting again! (https://www.reddit.com/user/oldschoolcmdr/comments) He wrote two books.  :vince:

Also says Star Citizen isn't a scam, compares me to Harry Markopolos (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6lx4k0/star_citizen_crafting_procedural_moons_analysis/djydf6l/)
That's a nice compliment when you get down to it.

However, OSC's cautions about 'it's not a scam... yet' are warranted. Hence my #5 conclusion (project collapses but no legal action sticks).

I really wonder what happens after the end, though. CIG pretty much has to draw a straight flush to win this, and I don't see it happening. It should be a salutary lesson about the dangers of hype, and promising the moon but failing to deliver. Even if CIG and CR avoid legal action, why would any sane person give them money ever again if the game tanks?
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 10, 2017, 05:38:55 AM
That's a nice compliment when you get down to it.

However, OSC's cautions about 'it's not a scam... yet' are warranted. Hence my #5 conclusion (project collapses but no legal action sticks).

Yeah, he is sticking to the legal definition and ramifications of whether or not it is a scam. I see what he means though. e.g. you could say that your bank is scamming you by opening accounts in your name without approval. Wells Fargo did that for years without being caught. Then they got caught. Same thing with credit reporting bureaus which have an incentive to keep incorrect and/or false info in your credit profile because then their subscribers (banks, investment companies, utility companies etc) then can charge your higher fees. Until they kept getting caught. And just a few days ago on July 1st, after a bunch of them got caught doing scammy shit, the govt again changed the FCRA, fined them, and new rules (liens and similar no longer in credit profiles without certain info) went into place. Same thing with AT&T, and other companies charging hidden fees which are completely unrelated to your account. All of those things are "scams", but until there is legal action, they can get away with it.

So I think that's what he is saying in the case of Star Citizen. That we can all continue to call it scam as much as we want, but it won't be true unless and until there is legal action that says and proves it to be a scam. He also made a follow-up post (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6lx4k0/star_citizen_crafting_procedural_moons_analysis/djzhvmk/) where he was explaining under what circumstances it would all come to a head.

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I really wonder what happens after the end, though. CIG pretty much has to draw a straight flush to win this, and I don't see it happening. It should be a salutary lesson about the dangers of hype, and promising the moon but failing to deliver. Even if CIG and CR avoid legal action, why would any sane person give them money ever again if the game tanks?

They won't avoid legal action. It's already clear that they can't build the game promised. What's going to happen is that investors and banks will lose their money. The backers who stay in, will probably make some noise, and a few of those who can afford it, will probably get attorneys and go for a class action suit. Even if none of that happens, I have every reason to believe that the State and/or Fed authorities will get involved at some point when (not if) the project comes to an end.

At the end of the day, those higher ups involved in the game, will be finished in the industry. But of course they could always place the blame on Chris behind the scenes.

Either way, I see Chris, Sandi, and Ortwin all getting sued here in the US. I don't know what will happen in the UK, but for an international company, if the Feds do get involved, it could spread over there. It's not like they didn't also have issues with the FCA (https://www.fca.org.uk/) in the past over the Gizmondo issue.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 14, 2017, 03:25:10 PM
So today's drama from the clowns over on /r/ds

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/

That's a year old video btw that's on our channel: youtube.com/c/3000ADGAMESCHANNEL (http://youtube.com/c/3000ADGAMESCHANNEL)

Apparently if you don't add a game tag (in the advanced settings), YT gets clever and auto-tags it.

Shockingly, a 1year old video, got tagged as "Star Citizen"

What our neighborhood clowns saw:

https://archive.is/6OJHv.jpg

The reality:

Without manual game tag:

(http://imgur.com/L9OaJYO.jpg)

With manual game tag:

(http://imgur.com/WOiQSQ3.jpg)

They are consistently self-owning themselves now. No Goon prompting required.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 19, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
For those of you who don't subscribe to SomethingAwful, Gorf made a post (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1533#post474524857) I wanted to share so that backers get to see it.

Quote from: G0RF
Whew!

So it took me awhile to read through all the comments about the chart on /Games. Though there were lots of crazed invocations of Derek Smart, demonizations of goons, and other overreactions, I did see a few fair criticisms that I've addressed in this latest update.

1). The inclusion of the reduction percentages was redundant. Fair enough. I deleted that.

2) Chris' quote didn't include his "I get shot for making promises but that's our goal" escape clause, the line that retroactively makes it all okay. So I included that, too.

3) I also added his mention of the 30 to 40 space stations that would be coming in 3.0. (We'll see how that turns out.)

4) I also fixed a graphical problem that had white boxes behind the Planet names in the Stanton layout.

So here's the latest version. If you're a DS lurker who feels like the last one was flawed or shortchanged Chris's quote, hopefully you might find this an improvement. I'm trying to be fair, even if stern.

(http://i.imgur.com/mBQspA4.jpg)

I have to admit, lurking friends, some of your reactions were a little frustrating, given that I'd tried to avoid editorializing. The focus of the piece was timelines, quotes, and scopes for Star Systems in Alpha 3.0.

The accusations that the infographic was a part of some organized FUD campaign were especially ironic, given that some of you tried to preemptively trying to counter an anticipated Derek Smart tweet and in so doing ended up creating a non-paywalled source for the /Games OP to reference.

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"They put so much work into this. We record it we make some comments and that's it. Smarties have absolutely no reach beyond their own echo chamber."

I didn't make the chart hoping for a /GAMES thread to blow up, or a MassivelyOP mention, or a psychodrama to unfold on /DS. I made it for my friends here on the forum, most of whom I haven't interacted with in a year, because organizing historical facts is something I like to do (http://justagamemode.com). It's clear to us by now that Chris Roberts doesn't learn from history because he keeps repeating it, so we keep discussing it, yet what I don't understand is why you keep defending it?

Surely I have my own biases, as do we all, but why rage about what strangers think on some random forum? Your recurring tendency to discount the observable past while exaggerating the imagined future produces the present tensions that discomfit you so. The relief you seek yet can't find won't come from excoriating random nobodies for discussing their opinions about troubling development issues or deceptive sales tactics. You are the publisher. The ones to whom pledges have been made for accountability and openness. You're intellectually and emotionally malnourished from the parody of it served up by a guy who believes himself accountable to no one and above all reproach. A man who hasn't once in the entire history of this project ever apologized for anything despite having either intentionally or inadvertently mislead you about matters of genuine consequence for years.

You deserve better than to be full-time apologists for that. I sincerely believe that --- why don't you?
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 20, 2017, 12:10:18 PM
These guys are fucking awful.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/what-am-i-missing

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What am I missing?

So, I have had this game for just a short while and.... I don't get it. To be honest, I feel that 1 of 2 options are the only answers to my confusion. Either I am totally missing something, or I got totally ripped off.

Before I purchased the game, I saw ads and trailers showing beautiful scenery, awesome graphics and interesting game play, so I bought the game along with what looked like an awesome addition: Squadron 42. watched videos and did my best to read or at least skim through all the information on the website.
I buy the game and Squadron 42, download, install and fire it up... Now, what can I do?

Well, from what I can tell, not a whole lot. First of all, on the "buy this game" page, there are zero obvious statements about the fact that Squadron 42 has not been released. Then I find out that release is long past the projected release dates. I just looked again and still see nothing that says, "Oh by the way, Squadron 42 is not out yet and we have no clue when it will be." Wow. I totally feel ripped off but, OK, maybe I didn't read everything and missed something. Potentially, my mistake but then, I start to play the other parts of the game. There is a FPS mode I see so I check it out. Uhmm... Hmmm... Well, not impressed. I have several FPS games and this is no better. (Ripped off feeling creeping in again.) OK, let me check out the persistent universe. Well, I see a small number of missions that are all seemingly identical; repair relays. These missions proceed as such: Fly to point A; get attacked by pirates; if you survive, float through space structure and push a button; return to my ship. I can't kill the pirates yet but have watched enough videos to know what happens when you do. Then I see another mission where I have to investigate some woman's husband. I go to another space structure, go inside, float around till I find an active panel, push a button, return to my ship and that's it.

The control configuration menus are absolutely confusing and when I tried to setup my HOTAS, all it did was screw everything up and it took me hours to figure out what the problem was. I still have not tried to set up back up.

What am I missing? I saw things saying I would be able to do anything but so far I see very little I can actually do.

I love Elite Dangerous. I can ship goods (buying low and selling high), I can fly passengers around and make good money with little risk, I can land on planets and explore, I can go on planetary missions and get paid for scanning beacons and destroying skimmers, I can mine, I can fight pirates, I can be a pirate, I can get into power play and politics, I have multiple add on programs I can, and do, use and if all I want to do is try to go to the furthest reaches of space, I can do that and get my name tagged for discovering something nobody else has. There are engineers I can travel to so I can make special modifications and improvements to my ships and much more I am either forgetting or have yet to learn.

So now I start up Star Citizen and wonder, am I missing a ton of things, or did I get totally scammed by the classic "bait and switch"?
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Flashwit on July 21, 2017, 08:38:11 AM
These guys are fucking awful.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/what-am-i-missing

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What am I missing?

...stuff...

BUT DEREK, blablablablablabalblablabla ALPHA!

Never mind that this is some definition of alpha that has never before been used in the gaming industry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_development#Alpha).
God, if these idiots actually took a look at the common usage of terminology they would see that it would be very debatable to even call Star Citizen PRE-ALPHA.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on July 21, 2017, 08:57:24 AM
The best way to describe SC would be pre-death I guess...
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 21, 2017, 04:09:40 PM
Oh this one is even better.

After 8 years development, for gold only 5 Systems? (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/after-8-years-development-for-gold-only-5-systems)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on July 21, 2017, 07:36:35 PM
Oh this one is even better.

After 8 years development, for gold only 5 Systems? (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/after-8-years-development-for-gold-only-5-systems)

And the people replying are all talking out of their arses.

"we are getting more content than promised ..."

They stumble accross the evidence that they are not getting the features they were sold, explore that a little because it troubles them .. then they make excuses and move on...
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 24, 2017, 04:48:22 PM
FF to 2:45

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Flashwit on July 25, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
So it looks like we're slowly getting to the point where it really is only the hardest of the hardcore that are going to keep putting their fingers in their ears then.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 25, 2017, 09:19:36 AM
So it looks like we're slowly getting to the point where it really is only the hardest of the hardcore that are going to keep putting their fingers in their ears then.

Yeah, we have two main castes left now:

1) hardcore believers

2) money launderers

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 25, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
Wth? How is this my fault? FF to 1:48


Quote
Things she's arrived at

1) The entire thing is being reworked for 3.0 essentially rendering the entire alpha process so far useless
2) Delta patcher still doesnt exist and its being used as an excuse by CIG to not actually do proper alpha testing of systems
3) CIG is marketing every single part of the alpha testing experience and not actually conducting any testing
4) No content has been released for nearly 8 months
5) This is all the fault of the Derek Smarts and naysayers of the world

This is the type of people still being bamboozled by CIG.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on July 25, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
Wth? How is this my fault? FF to 1:48


Quote
Things she's arrived at

1) The entire thing is being reworked for 3.0 essentially rendering the entire alpha process so far useless
2) Delta patcher still doesnt exist and its being used as an excuse by CIG to not actually do proper alpha testing of systems
3) CIG is marketing every single part of the alpha testing experience and not actually conducting any testing
4) No content has been released for nearly 8 months
5) This is all the fault of the Derek Smarts and naysayers of the world

This is the type of people still being bamboozled by CIG.

The only thing she has been pulling back is her foreskin.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 25, 2017, 06:23:15 PM
The only thing she has been pulling back is her foreskin.

OMG!! Man, that was harsh.  :cop:

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on July 26, 2017, 04:35:34 AM
Wth? How is this my fault? FF to 1:48

Well, that's obvious I'd say. CIG was a very open, userfriendly environment where the backers were all equal partners to Chris. Development was in the open, backer participation was the highest goal and full disclosure of everything going on at CIG was the second most important thing in this universe. Making the BDSSE being the first most important thing in the universe of course. So no problems.

But then came Derek and he started saying some nasty things. And since then, CIG decided to keep everything to themselves and only treating backers as people who should give them more money. And because of Derek, they stopped making the BDSSE and they don't want to make love to the backers anymore. The CIG universe has collapsed because Derek once said that he didn't like Chris. I see her point.

The fact that this whole game gradually had to turn into a money grabbing Ponzi scheme because Chris is an utter moron, that of course has nothing to do how backers now are treated by CIG. No no, nothing at all. It's all because of Derek.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Flashwit on July 26, 2017, 08:55:13 AM
Seriously guys, we're going to make anti-trans insults here now? Don't be shitbags.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Flashwit on July 27, 2017, 08:48:56 AM
Yes, I'm aware of both these guys and they're both assholes. I would not be into using them as a resource for how to act. Don't defer to 'authority' as an excuse for how you act.
Anyway, it's not the point of this forum, but beating down on an oppressed group is not the best look. "I insult everyone equally" is a weak cover.

I come here for star citizen coverage, not neoconservative viewpoints.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 27, 2017, 08:57:11 AM
Wth? How is this my fault? FF to 1:48

Well, that's obvious I'd say. CIG was a very open, userfriendly environment where the backers were all equal partners to Chris. Development was in the open, backer participation was the highest goal and full disclosure of everything going on at CIG was the second most important thing in this universe. Making the BDSSE being the first most important thing in the universe of course. So no problems.

But then came Derek and he started saying some nasty things. And since then, CIG decided to keep everything to themselves and only treating backers as people who should give them more money. And because of Derek, they stopped making the BDSSE and they don't want to make love to the backers anymore. The CIG universe has collapsed because Derek once said that he didn't like Chris. I see her point.

The fact that this whole game gradually had to turn into an money grabbing Ponzi scheme because Chris is an utter moron, that of course has nothing to do how backers now are treated by CIG. No no, nothing a all. It's all because of Derek.

 :laugh:  :lol:  :five: :five: :five:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 27, 2017, 08:58:04 AM
Seriously guys, we're going to make anti-trans insults here now? Don't be shitbags.

Yeah no. That's why I censored it.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on July 27, 2017, 09:04:14 AM
I didn't mean to insult a transgender / transgenders in general. I even have one in my personal circle.

If Batgirl is indeed is a transgender my comment could be seen as a personal insult. I had no intention to, so I've removed the remark.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 29, 2017, 11:43:06 AM
The Star Citizen fire rages on Reddit "8 months delay is disingenuous (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6qa1qc/8_months_delay_is_disingenuous/)."
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 29, 2017, 12:00:45 PM
will history repeat itself? I am talking about Digital Anvil's Freelancer(2003)  (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6qci03/will_history_repeat_itself_i_am_talking_about/)
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on July 29, 2017, 01:11:05 PM
The major change now is that the backer community will not accept a repeat from last year's events. Most of them seem to be anticipating a major disappointment. Where CR had still some credits (or at least the benefit of the doubt) left in 2016, not much has remained. It's the endgame now. The only way to survive this is to give the backers what they want, a working game. And that's the one thing CR can't produce. A working game. Backers won't stand for more nice words, fancy demo's and long-term future development statements. No more.
 
CIG might try to back-out of Games Com very last minute. No showing up there because Chris and Sandy have a severe case of food poisoning or something like that. And then hoping they do can produce something at Shitizencon.

Anyway, it's time to expect the towel in the ring. Game over...
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on July 29, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
The major change now is that the backer community will not accept a repeat from last year's events. Most of them seem to be anticipating a major disappointment. Where CR had still some credits (or at least the benefit of the doubt) left in 2016, not much has remained. It's the endgame now. The only way to survive this is to give the backers what they want, a working game. And that's the one thing CR can't produce. A working game. Backers won't stand for more nice words, fancy demo's and long-term future development statements. No more.
 
CIG might try to back-out of Games Com very last minute. No showing up there because Chris and Sandy have a severe case of food poisoning or something like that. And then hoping they do can produce something at Shitizencon.

Anyway, it's time to expect the towel in the ring. Game over...

Reading a lot of the replies there suggests that these people will accept almost anything short of a collapse of CIG.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 30, 2017, 08:59:39 AM
The major change now is that the backer community will not accept a repeat from last year's events. Most of them seem to be anticipating a major disappointment. Where CR had still some credits (or at least the benefit of the doubt) left in 2016, not much has remained. It's the endgame now. The only way to survive this is to give the backers what they want, a working game. And that's the one thing CR can't produce. A working game. Backers won't stand for more nice words, fancy demo's and long-term future development statements. No more.
 
CIG might try to back-out of Games Com very last minute. No showing up there because Chris and Sandy have a severe case of food poisoning or something like that. And then hoping they do can produce something at Shitizencon.

Anyway, it's time to expect the towel in the ring. Game over...

That may be the case, but Chris is arrogant, so I fully expect him to show up at GamesCom.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 30, 2017, 09:00:02 AM
The major change now is that the backer community will not accept a repeat from last year's events. Most of them seem to be anticipating a major disappointment. Where CR had still some credits (or at least the benefit of the doubt) left in 2016, not much has remained. It's the endgame now. The only way to survive this is to give the backers what they want, a working game. And that's the one thing CR can't produce. A working game. Backers won't stand for more nice words, fancy demo's and long-term future development statements. No more.
 
CIG might try to back-out of Games Com very last minute. No showing up there because Chris and Sandy have a severe case of food poisoning or something like that. And then hoping they do can produce something at Shitizencon.

Anyway, it's time to expect the towel in the ring. Game over...

Reading a lot of the replies there suggests that these people will accept almost anything short of a collapse of CIG.

Well they won't have much longer to wait.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 30, 2017, 09:00:09 AM
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/891686576794853376
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 30, 2017, 09:01:08 AM
LOL!!! This popped up on my Discord channel earlier this morning. OSC is back. And he wrote another book (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/6pvap6/who_is_derek_smart_and_why_is_he_so_mad_at_this/dkxacso/?context=3).

Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 30, 2017, 09:26:15 AM
I am a Star Citizen fan, which is why I'm asking you to stop giving CIG money (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6qdxh1/i_am_a_star_citizen_fan_which_is_why_im_asking/)

Yeah, too late. $155M is gone. If funding stops, the project dies quicker. I 100% guarantee it.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 30, 2017, 10:05:08 AM
LOL!!! This popped up on my Discord channel earlier this morning. OSC is back. And he wrote another book (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/6pvap6/who_is_derek_smart_and_why_is_he_so_mad_at_this/dkxacso/?context=3).
Who's 'nielsenwashere' and why does he keep thinking OSC is you? (aside from 'anyone giving extensive critique of SC must be Derek Smart')
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 30, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
LOL!!! This popped up on my Discord channel earlier this morning. OSC is back. And he wrote another book (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/6pvap6/who_is_derek_smart_and_why_is_he_so_mad_at_this/dkxacso/?context=3).
Who's 'nielsenwashere' and why does he keep thinking OSC is you? (aside from 'anyone giving extensive critique of SC must be Derek Smart')

No clue. We just ignore those guys now.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on July 30, 2017, 12:18:14 PM
Meanwhile, this is new...

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1209438-Megathread-Star-Citizen?p=46699369&viewfull=1#post46699369 (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1209438-Megathread-Star-Citizen?p=46699369&viewfull=1#post46699369)

Quote
Derek Smart was right about many of the issues he could foresee. The real issue is how Chris & co decided to communicate regarding the game. Derek Smart really succeeded in poisoning the water to the point where Chris always pretends like everything is almost ready and will not discuss concerns. He is trying his best to hide them because he doesn't want them in Derek's hands.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: StanTheMan on July 31, 2017, 07:58:02 PM
Meanwhile, this is new...

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1209438-Megathread-Star-Citizen?p=46699369&viewfull=1#post46699369 (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1209438-Megathread-Star-Citizen?p=46699369&viewfull=1#post46699369)

Quote
Derek Smart was right about many of the issues he could foresee. The real issue is how Chris & co decided to communicate regarding the game. Derek Smart really succeeded in poisoning the water to the point where Chris always pretends like everything is almost ready and will not discuss concerns. He is trying his best to hide them because he doesn't want them in Derek's hands.

"It's pretty ironic that Chris in his response to Derek and The Escapist said: "Star Citizen will speak for itself". I guess it kind of does? A "game" run by a company that feeds their backers so much crap during events and can't be honest about anything.
"
I like thIS.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2017, 03:48:30 AM
'Star Citizen will speak for itself'.

Sure, that's why they got Escapist to take down a prize-winning article criticizing SC's development cycle.

 :psyduck:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on August 01, 2017, 03:56:22 AM
'Star Citizen will speak for itself'.

Sure, that's why they got Escapist to take down a prize-winning article criticizing SC's development cycle.

 :psyduck:

As I wrote in The Money Laundromat (http://dereksmart.com/2017/03/star-citizen-money-laundromat/), the owners of The Escapist didn't want to spend money on legal bills fighting CIG. So they came to a mutual agreement that they would take down the article, if CIG took down their threats and Roberts' infantile diatribe.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 01, 2017, 06:27:59 PM
'Star Citizen will speak for itself'.

Sure, that's why they got Escapist to take down a prize-winning article criticizing SC's development cycle.

 :psyduck:

As I wrote in The Money Laundromat (http://dereksmart.com/2017/03/star-citizen-money-laundromat/), the owners of The Escapist didn't want to spend money on legal bills fighting CIG. So they came to a mutual agreement that they would take down the article, if CIG took down their threats and Roberts' infantile diatribe.

I wasn't clear there.

If Star Citizen could 'speak for itself', why bother threatening Defy Media with legal action? The best revenge is success, I've found.

That thing with Defy could've gone SEVERELY pear shaped for CIG. Their action was what Popehat refers to as 'shutuppery', and there's a number of lawyers who really don't like it.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on August 02, 2017, 04:23:25 AM
'Star Citizen will speak for itself'.

Sure, that's why they got Escapist to take down a prize-winning article criticizing SC's development cycle.

 :psyduck:

As I wrote in The Money Laundromat (http://dereksmart.com/2017/03/star-citizen-money-laundromat/), the owners of The Escapist didn't want to spend money on legal bills fighting CIG. So they came to a mutual agreement that they would take down the article, if CIG took down their threats and Roberts' infantile diatribe.

I wasn't clear there.

If Star Citizen could 'speak for itself', why bother threatening Defy Media with legal action? The best revenge is success, I've found.

That thing with Defy could've gone SEVERELY pear shaped for CIG. Their action was what Popehat refers to as 'shutuppery', and there's a number of lawyers who really don't like it.

Oh right, yeah. That's why my attorneys and I just laugh at Ortwin's nonsense.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on August 02, 2017, 03:53:10 PM
*moved*

So, another backer has seen the light (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6r28zv/i_enjoy_watching_their_open_development_if_only/). More and more are getting there, slowly but steadily. Finally, Chris is on the right track  :smuggo:

Yeah, I was reading that thread earlier today. A LOT of them are waking up, and I don't believe that even 3.0 is going to appease anyone but the hardcore....and the money launderers  :smuggo:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on August 02, 2017, 04:09:36 PM
The thing is, are there enough money launderers around to keep CIG afloat? One wonders...
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on August 02, 2017, 04:40:36 PM
The thing is, are there enough money launderers around to keep CIG afloat? One wonders...

Well there are at least and average of 2000 whales who keep buying stuff. So  :shrug:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on August 02, 2017, 05:04:33 PM
Even the "official funding chart" now is showing the downfall. Whatever mechanics they have to generate those (fake) numbers, even the scripts cannot compensate for the dwindling number of people actually paying over and over again for stuff that just won't be delivered. I can't wait to see what they'll try to sell at Games Com, or when they'll announce. Starting another sale before showing anything else might be dangerous. It's just pushing the backers to their limits. But starting another sale after having to admit that they have nothing tangible or dumping another BS load of R&D demo clips won't work either. I have a feeling that they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Without an actual working 3.0 that has some real body to it, they're fucked.

We have made no progress whatsoever in the last year. At least, nothing that we can give to you, the backers. Sorry. But hey, luckily, you can buy a new ship! Another nice picture for your JPEG collection.
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: dsmart on August 02, 2017, 05:14:02 PM
Even the "official funding chart" now is showing the downfall. Whatever mechanics they have to generate those (fake) numbers, even the scripts cannot compensate for the dwindling number of people actually paying over and over again for stuff that just won't be delivered. I can't wait to see what they'll try to sell at Games Com, or when they'll announce. Starting another sale before showing anything else might be dangerous. It's just pushing the backers to their limits. But starting another sale after having to admit that they have nothing tangible or dumping another BS load of R&D demo clips won't work either. I have a feeling that they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Without an actual working 3.0 that has some real body to it, they're fucked.

We have made no progress whatsoever in the last year. At least, nothing that we can give to you, the backers. Sorry. But hey, luckily, you can buy a new ship! Another nice picture for your JPEG collection.

My sources tell me that there WILL be a sale during GamesCom. Wait for my Aug 22nd article.  :smuggo:
Title: Re: Sad Citizens
Post by: Motto on August 02, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
I didn't doubt that for a minute. The best, if any, moment to announce that sale, that's my main wondering. Besides the nerve you must have to do it. But, no choice of course, 'cause, you know, money. You have it, we don't. So give!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 06, 2017, 08:38:41 AM
Star Citizen's best shills weigh in on Gorf's chart

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/164676343?t=01h07m45s

(https://i.imgur.com/CRQa5ov.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 07, 2017, 11:24:53 AM
This is so sad  :smugjones:

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/894625241363869697
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 08, 2017, 09:03:59 AM
Guard Frequency Episode 179 | CIG, Lies and Videotape http://guardfrequency.com/179

Quote
Mental Gymnastics & lols:
 
13:00 - I am not surprised or upset by the delay at all. At least it's only couple weeks delay instead of months
13:50 - Chris has a secret schedule in his head. The public schedule is to motivate devs to work harder
16:15 - "CIG always lies" "Chris Roberts always lies" but it's a good thing because,
16:30 - there is a complex strategy that we don't understand from the outside. CIG moves in mysterious ways
18:45 - We've had to make stuff up for 9 months while we wait for the something playable to come out
19:30 - [CONCERN] Uhh where's mining? 3.0 is supposedly 6 weeks away and we haven't seen any gameplay of Trading or Cargo
23:15 - 3.0 will come out, with uhh... features
27:00 - Chris is a perfectionist, but only on visual stuff. Bugs are fine
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 16, 2017, 06:42:55 AM
If you needed more evidence that the denizens of /r/ds are complete morons, this should do it (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6txrat/ds_on_facebook_civil_war_against_nazis_pah_us/). Then they decided to branch out (https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverybadass/comments/6txpak/gamer_who_plays_wolfenstein_totally_knows_how_to/dlowcqy/?context=3).

Considering the reception of the original Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/thedereksmart/posts/10155643746727679), well, you be the judge.

They're not even trying anymore.



Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 17, 2017, 08:28:04 AM
You have to read this thread. Seriously, if you have time, just do it. It's getting upvoted. When you see what it's about, and you start wondering WHY it's getting upvoted, all will be clear why these guys are completely oblivious to the fact that they're being scammed. :psyduck:

We shouldn't call our moons/planets procedural; They are handcrafted (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6u6t8t/we_shouldnt_call_our_moonsplanets_procedural_they/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on August 17, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
They are so dumb, if you tell them you can travel to the sun if you only fly at night, they start calculating how long it would take...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 18, 2017, 05:05:14 AM
They are so dumb, if you tell them you can travel to the sun if you only fly at night, they start calculating how long it would take...

It beggars belief. Sometimes I really wonder if this project has simply tapped into the dumbest group of gamers in history. Sure, not all of them are like that, but man.  :magical:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 18, 2017, 06:33:06 AM
Meanwhile.... What if CIG focuses on ship sales during the Gamescom presentation? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6u54br/what_if_cig_focuses_on_ship_sales_during_the/)

What do they mean by "what if" ?

Or this one: When CIG inevitably succeeds with SC one day, what will you remember as your biggest concerns about the progress of this project? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6u4l3m/when_cig_inevitably_succeeds_with_sc_one_day_what/)

Since when is fails spelled succeeds?

Oh yeah, I have been following those too. It's almost as if they're becoming self-aware.

This one didn't last very long. If Star Citizen has a problem, it's Chris Roberts himself (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/if-star-citizen-has-a-problem-it-s-chris-roberts-h/393794)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 18, 2017, 06:33:16 AM
This is some serious broken-brained shit right here. The Journey so far, backing Star Citizen (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6uciiy/the_journey_so_far_backing_star_citizen/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 18, 2017, 08:22:30 AM
Not sure if the 10 bux SA paywall is up, but Gorf wrote this (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1800#post475503712).

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Derek is a heat sink for misdirected backer frustration and rage. It's funny how elegantly this has worked out.

1) Derek feeds off the contempt of furious detractors, knowing that the angrier they are at him, the more he's succeeded at consuming their thoughts and tormenting their spirits. (They're writing novels daily about a person they claim has no talent and no consequence. Yet his consequence is proven by the extent of their efforts at disproving it for his talent is trolling.)

2) Backers are rightly pissed and need an outlet. Chris, given his affable disposition and starry-eyed proclamations, will always be the backers "right" choice in a false dichotomy pick between himself and Derek. As long as Derek shares the stage with Chris, Chris is the easy pick for backers. They "win" a false choice based on favorability of personality.

3) Chris benefits greatly from the theatrical villainy of Derek's trolling, for it keeps Chris from sharing the stage with his TRUE mortal enemy, that being yesterday's Chris and his attendant claims and promises. This allows present Chris to keep LARPing as Future Chris, Director of the Most Ambitious Game in History, and channeling his energies and attentions into the next commercial or demo for that game. The more fidelitous the better, he's trying to brute force his way into the Pantheon of Modern Gaming Gods via his usual overcompensation techniques (polycount overkill, competitor feature oneupmanship, perpetual tinkering with finished assets, etc.) "Please God let me run out this string a little longer... My guys in Frankfurt, I just know they can crack this nut, turn lead into gold and save this thing... just a little more time... Pleeeease?"

4) Goons are cockroaches and can subsist off such a wide variety of garbage that the above three sources - Chris lols, Derek lols, backer lols - will keep them feeding and sometimes feasting.

There's little that's especially healthy about this ecosystem. It's a bizarrely efficient and self-sustaining set of loops fueled by the dysfunctions and unfulfilled longings of its constituent players. It shall continue as it has until the unbearable tensions straining Chris's infernal machine either blow it apart (as skeptics predict) or are relieved via The Long Awaited Breakthrough that finally sees the machine spitting out the Promethean fire Chris promised to steal from the heavens and deliver.

The quiet drama lost behind the hugely entertaining sideshow is a race, with present Chris huffing and puffing to escape past Chris while charging people to convince them he's Future Chris -- he's hoping against hope that if he keeps it up long enough it might eventually come true.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 19, 2017, 09:27:53 AM
Courtesy of Virtual Captain (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1813#post475535067) (the keeper of Star Citizen Tracker (https://starcitizentracker.github.io/)) over on SA

Guard Frequency Episode 180 http://guardfrequency.com/180 (http://guardfrequency.com/180)

Interesting bits:
30:40 - Talking about GORF's The 9 voices of the Star Citizen debate
33:50 - Classivies self between "believer" and "evangelist"
34:30 - "believer"
34:50 - I've moved to "skeptic"
35:00 - 4th guy? between "skeptic" and "agnostic"
36:30 - Elite has my attention till SC releases in 5 or 6 years

--feedback section--
42:30 - oh that dudes a skeptic, oh this guy is a believer. Oh this next feedback is an evangelist
45:10 - loosely transcribed feedback from someone named 'proxy thoughts' that I couldn't find posted anywhere.
"I would like to deposit a new item to the list of items on why they are missing goals. Intentional Obfuscation. What I mean by that is a calculated risk weighing how much they will annoy and anger fans over when planned dates fail purely in hopes of keeping people busy enough not to remember all the stuff they've quietly removed from the schedule. Or an even better example, the phenomenon of CIG's continuing erratas 3.0 timeline and everyone bleeding out their dissatisfaction with yet another slide, while not even thinking of the first chapter of Squadron 42 that was promised, and look that's not even on the schedule anymore. It hasn't even been whispered about since they failed to deliver it almost a year ago and yanked it "at the last minute" Which I would expect to mean it was very close to complete.
No matter the case, even if all the dates they put forward were earnest, which I am certain they are not. CIG's and especially Chris Roberts' projected dates are about as reliable as the weather forecast, which puts predictions in solid runnings with the local palm reader. The point is you can bet on one thing, it's all an elaborate ruse to net in your money."

47:50 - 3.0 needs to be stable or the media is gonna rip CIG a new one
50:20 - Derek's tweet. "Where are we gonna put Derek on the wheel?" "For the record, the feedback and conversations I've had with this particular listener have actually been rather pleasant I have to say. Derek, keep listening, thanks for being a fan, I look forward to more rather pleasant interactions and discussions in the future."
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Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 21, 2017, 05:58:41 AM
Once in awhile, some crazy shit pops up in my GoogleAlerts emails

Derek Smart Was Right - 4chan (http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/387579259/derek-smart-was-right)


Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 25, 2017, 05:19:38 AM
Words fail me (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6vumw4/ds_twitter_tomorrow_chris_is_going_to_be_showing/dm3rfy3/?context=3).  :sigh:

(http://i.imgur.com/qw3iBrA.png)

Ho Lee Cow! These guys truly are dense, and deserve to be scammed.  :cripes:

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on August 25, 2017, 06:52:54 AM
Sure, I will get three days of total exposure with utter crap on the biggest game event of the year and then, on the last minute of the last day, I'll show something better.   :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 25, 2017, 08:32:04 AM
Meanwhile over there... (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6vtp8z/is_it_possible_to_get_a_refund_after_a_long_while/dm3sx76/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 26, 2017, 10:30:25 AM
Meanwhile over there... (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6w1epo/ill_take_real_live_demo_crash_over_prerendered/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 26, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
Oh the irony

Are we hurting ourselves / RSI by continuing to give them FREE money / adding backing money? (https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/6w6oby/discussstar_citizen_and_continued_funding/)

(https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/6w6oby/discussstar_citizen_and_continued_funding/)

(http://i.imgur.com/mDiViLe.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 26, 2017, 04:23:12 PM
Meanwhile, over on Spectrum

This gamescom was pretty painful (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/this-gamescom-was-pretty-painful)

600i ship naming for warbonds only. No thanks (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/600i-ship-naming-for-warbonds-only-no-thanks)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 26, 2017, 05:42:58 PM
Meanwhile over there (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6w74rw/the_pathetic_gamescom_presentation_and_the_reason/dm64m2v/?context=4) <--- it's hilarious. Those disastrous RemindMe never fail to amuse when they are triggered
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on August 27, 2017, 02:45:23 AM
Unique ship naming if you pay for it. No, we don't have any money problems and we're definately not looking to see if backers are so stupid that they are even willing to do that. Because if they do, we could apply it to all our ships.

Next step, to keep alive in the game, your character has to eat and drink. That you have to buy in-game with real money. Next up after that, paying rent for your wanking pod.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kastenbrust on August 27, 2017, 05:59:23 AM
More brainwashed morons....  :vince:

(https://i.imgur.com/a5LKLUE.png)

Also this tasty brainwashed moron... "Miles Eckhart is the most lifelike NPC I have ever seen" :psyduck:

(https://i.imgur.com/Kc1V1vk.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 27, 2017, 06:07:15 AM
More brainwashed morons....  :vince:

Anytime you see new user/low karma posters, rest assured, they're most likely marketing accounts. We spot and unmask them all the time.

Meanwhile...Changed my concerns from release date to gameplay, have I been misinformed (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wavk6/changed_my_concerns_from_release_date_to_gameplay/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 28, 2017, 06:36:17 AM
Meanwhile over there...Criticism is good. The demo had issues and we need to acknowledge them (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6w1m9z/criticism_is_good_the_demo_had_issues_and_we_need/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on August 28, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
Well, there actually is a debate going on there. That's progress already  :golfclap:

I am enjoying myself daily now with trolling and FUDing around, as they claim. I'm merely voicing a different opinion. That nowbody sees because of the downvoting of course, but what the heck. There's always one who can't stop himself from reacting  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 28, 2017, 07:37:22 AM
Meanwhile over on r/Games/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/6we9ua/star_citizen_gamescom_2017_presentation_no_dialog/dm7i1di/) where the FUD is usually thick  :laugh:

Meanwhile, over at the hive (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6whgwz/former_game_developers_comment_on_the_star/)

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XxXtdreaperXxXnew user/low karma [score hidden] 56 minutes ago
In before its just Derek Smart commenting under aliases, actually it sounds like something he would do.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 28, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
CIG quietly changed date for 3.0 release just after Gamescom Event to 9th October. Long Vent. Coming from a place of love not hate. (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/cig-quietly-changed-date-for-3-0-release-just-afte)

Everything is fine though. Nothing to worry about. At all.  :smugjones:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 28, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
FF to around 54:00 (https://youtu.be/rhSCN6BKi3U?t=3235) and go from there


Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on August 28, 2017, 12:47:21 PM

Bored Gamer has another of his standard Star Citizen videos online. The comments, however, are gold:

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Does anyone ever worry that something bad is going to happen and then we are just going to be left disappointed ? Like every game that has attempted to be as amazing as Star Citizen has crashed and burned, but Star Citizen seems to still be standing tall but it's still very mysterious and very unclear when things are happening. Is it just me that's worried?

Someone named Wylie28 replies:
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Star citizen has no publisher to push it out early. They have more than enough money. And they have a large enough team. The only problem with these games they haven't got solved is everyone having unrealistic expectations that have never been met by any game in history. But that's a problem the stupid people in this community will have to sort out on their own.

 :lol:

Someone else:
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I've donated over $1000 to this game, in the hope that we'll finally get some innovation in this industry. But my goodness, this Gamescom presentation was a disaster. They really need a marketing guy who is a gamer. Someone who knows what, and what not, to do. The cringy voice role play, the miscommunication, the terrible bugs, crashes, etc. They should've scaled back the demo, so we wouldn't have to see that stuff during the presentation. I'm definitely not spending another cent until they show that they can deliver.

Wylie28 replies:
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Cheesy acting could have been solved yes. But I think they showed the bugs and crashes on purpose. People need to know 3.0 was delayed for a reason.
:wtf: :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on August 28, 2017, 01:05:28 PM
But that's true. I have seen the light now! Chris has started scamming people because there are people who need to be scammed! OMG, it all makes sense now. I need to give Chris my money, it was written in the stars all along.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 28, 2017, 01:38:33 PM
 :lol: :vince:

https://twitter.com/UnderdogSMO/status/902240930668965888

https://twitter.com/lowtax/status/902247147613163528
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on August 28, 2017, 03:55:59 PM
CIG quietly changed date for 3.0 release just after Gamescom Event to 9th October. Long Vent. Coming from a place of love not hate. (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/cig-quietly-changed-date-for-3-0-release-just-afte)

Everything is fine though. Nothing to worry about. At all.  :smugjones:

Hmmm

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Between us in my family we have 5 accounts 35 ships and spent a lot of money. Well mostly my brother. I wont even say what he thought all week. While we watched live every stream and the CR main show. !"

I know what his brother thought.."I am being taken from behind with hot crumpet"

And this one ...

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Don't bother mate. Facts or having some professional knowledge so that they can make informed points don't mean much to some.

There are those that don't believe CIG and there is nothing we can do about it unless they get a job in the industry and actually find out for themselves how hard it is to invent complex software.

I doubt many companies will want to follow in CIGs footsteps about being so open. Being called liars and amateurs (it seems a lot of these non-devs are so much better than the real devs) isn't something many people like to read when they work their asses off. It is much easier to hide it all behind closed doors and give the "fans" (lol!) no input until they are about to release the game. But sometimes I have to remind myself that given the number of backers, some people yell loud but they are a drop in the bucket.

Devoid of any critical thinking...

and they keep coming

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If given the chance to meet Chris Roberts and the team I would shake each and every one of their hands and THANK them for having the guts and integrity to stand up and say to the big investors and heavy hitters of the AAA software warehouses that make up the industry and say; NO people WANT a space sim, if you will not help I'll do it on my own! Then to go create a new company from ground up - and produce what we have as an ALPHA in 5 years is frankly ASTOUNDING IMO. !
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 29, 2017, 07:32:29 AM
And so it begins...

Star Citizen Development - are we too harsh? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wpxxd/star_citizen_development_are_we_too_harsh/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on August 29, 2017, 12:12:28 PM
And so it begins...

Star Citizen Development - are we too harsh? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wpxxd/star_citizen_development_are_we_too_harsh/)

Yeah ?


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CMDR_Agony_Aunt 10 points 4 hours ago
First of all it's not a guess CR specifically stated numerous time he gives aggressive dates deliberately.
Yeah, had this discussion a few times here on reddit. I've tried to explain from the perspective of project management and managing client expectations why this is an absoloutely terrible idea. Won't get into that discussion again, but as someone who has spent a number of years as a project manager and seen and done plenty of mistakes, i know what i'm talking about.
Half truths are the worst type of lies.
Indeed, and its time CIG stopped it.
This is normal in project management
Oh not its not. And if anyone in our company started running projects like that they would be absoloutely shitcanned. I guess EKD simply doesn't understand software development :D
This has nothing to do with Chris' management style.
He is the man at the top. He makes all executive decisions. He is 100% responsible for everything on the project.
Those people don't survive at CIG or working for Chris.
LOL, and i bet they are very happy to be out from underneath such a terrible leader.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 29, 2017, 03:10:12 PM
Meanwhile, over there (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5870077&viewfull=1#post5870077)

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After the Gamescom reality bite, out of the 30 or so friends who had backed at similar levels to myself ($300 or so)...I'm the only one left. 22 of them asked for refunds within hours of Gamescom with no intention of buying back in with even a starter package.

As for me...I keep hovering over the figurative refund button then not doing it, no real idea why. Sure, I can afford to write the sum off without much thought...but should I be encouraging CR's directorial cinematic fantasies on the whim of ever landing my Cutlass Black on a planet/moon and actually completing a simple trade mission?

I can't keep extending my deadline to cut off my support much more without feeling like so many of the hopelessly and tragically emotionally invested drones... I'm not one of those...but wishful thinking is fast becoming a guilty passion
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 29, 2017, 04:56:24 PM
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/902680901389307904
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Aya Reiko on August 29, 2017, 11:08:12 PM
Meanwhile, over there (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5870077&viewfull=1#post5870077)

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After the Gamescom reality bite, out of the 30 or so friends who had backed at similar levels to myself ($300 or so)...I'm the only one left. 22 of them asked for refunds within hours of Gamescom with no intention of buying back in with even a starter package.

As for me...I keep hovering over the figurative refund button then not doing it, no real idea why. Sure, I can afford to write the sum off without much thought...but should I be encouraging CR's directorial cinematic fantasies on the whim of ever landing my Cutlass Black on a planet/moon and actually completing a simple trade mission?

I can't keep extending my deadline to cut off my support much more without feeling like so many of the hopelessly and tragically emotionally invested drones... I'm not one of those...but wishful thinking is fast becoming a guilty passion
Now that I think of it.  I still haven't slammed that refund button myself, even though I'm only $30 into this mess.  (Thank God I didn't buy further into this debacle, I almost did.)  Can anyone share with me how I go about and get one?  Anything to further torpedo this shitshow, the better.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on August 30, 2017, 12:17:34 AM
There's a Reddit for it somewhere

Edit: here (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on August 30, 2017, 12:20:31 AM
So, this quote (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5870077&viewfull=1#post5870077) from MTBFritz on the Frontier SC v6 thread is pretty clear  :golfclap:   :five:

1. because its non-existing. With all the new features coming up and technological "break-throughs" discovered by CiG they would be forced to re-write the single player campaign every few months because the foundation and the possibilities change so often. So IF it exists I d say its nothing more then a skeleton without any meaty pieces attached to it. Mo-cap will be missing completely, if they had that integrated a lot of it would ve trickled down to the PU already. As CR always touts (repeated by the white knights) how closely connected PU and SQ42 are I think we can take a good hard look at the current PU and determine from that how far along SQ42 is. Being unable to show anything because of "spoilers" makes me think that they either A) have such a tiny campaign that a single 5 second snippet would probably reveal 50% of its content or B) it simply doesnt exist the PAARP speech aside.

2. SQ42 is all about space ships and your career in the navy which focuses again around ships and space warfare (think Top Gun in space). I am sure space legs and FPS elements can be integrated as well but it will be an addition at best and never the focus. Sadly thats exactly what seems to the current Magnus Opus tho. Everything is about walking, running, doing FPS things while the ship aspects (beside visuals) is pretty much ignored. If I imagine CiG releasing a full campaign with current dogfight mechanics SQ42 will be one of the biggest flops in history. As the 2017 Gamescom showed CiG will showcase and present half-finished stuff and even content that was never asked for in order to create an appearance. Do you really think that if SQ42 would be finished or mostly done CiG would just sit on it and not use it to leech more $$$ off the gullies?

3. again I believe SQ42 is pretty much non-existent so releasing a "simple" cinematic single player campaign in the spirit of Wing Commander would mean buckle down and start from pretty much zero. By now they dont have the manpower nor the financial means to undertake such a project and come out with anything that would even raise an eyebrow. I guess they sat on their dream too long and too careless expanding and bloating without working on any of the basics and now the hollow mountain starts to crumble and all they can do is to walk lightly in order to avoid a landslide. Everything about Star Citizen screams "maintenance mode" to me. We follow their "progress" for months with in-editor snippets of good-looking fragments but none of it ever makes it into the PU and even now....a full year after 2016 most of the things shown in 2016 are missing. I consider the 2017 presentation "smoke & mirror" until it makes an appearance on the PU. Chris Roberts proves time and time again that he is disconnected from reality and still lives in 1990 regarding technological capabilities. All the surrounding factors make the existence of SQ42 highly improbable.

We ll never hear the "real" story about SQ42 for sure but I hope that we ll get an insight into all the assets and work completed on this game and then realize that it was all an illusion from the start and never had a chance to take off.

Again, this is not how the real life works. You reserve this attitude for a childish dream of yours, yourself or maybe next of kin (children most likely, people tend to be less forgiving with their partners). You will always find it in yourself to forgive yourself or strike a compromise to keep on going. If this behavior is projectd on outside factors then something is seriously wrong. We are not talking about a child-time teddybear or your own toddler kid. This is a grown man with a company behind him taking money for promises without delivering anything in return. At this point the ultra/white knight behavior borders on a clinical condition. Even if you loan money to your best friend you ll do it a couple of times at best. But if you never see anything of it back and your friend keeps asking for more you will eventually change your relationship or make a hard cut.

Not with CiG which is extremely strange/funny. Instead of asking for results or trying to get value in return for your financial investment (notadonation) people try to avoid the subject at best they can instead bringing forth this "when its ready" crap. Tiny little things which are non-existent at this point are rewarded with 400$ purchases and a single word (for example "soon") is worth millions to the fans if the tracker can be trusted. Take a good hard look around yourself. Check every other released game and observe the complaints and critiques about the smallest things. And this goes for private people mostly. If you deal with business partners things become much more strict and harsh. Fail a deadline and you are looking at penalties, keep doing so and your contract gets adjusted until your own profit dwindles toward zero or puts you in debt. A "deal" entails conditions and responsibilities which need to be met else there will be consequences. Our world doesnt work on the principle of "when its ready". Chris Roberts could maintain that statement if he would develop Star Citizen on his own dime like....I dont know.....Derek Smart does with his games. But he does it with other peoples money and those people expect a return value which is pretty non-existent at this point. Kickstarter never was a donation. It was a token of trust at best. People who pledged expected something and I m pretty sure none of them was thinking "I ll pledge 2000$ and this game will be released when its done". No, Chris Roberts advertised proficiency he doesnt possess and claimed awards he never accomplished (Wing Commander) to gain the trust of people (me included) and projected a timeline which was very agreeable to all of us.

I believe the initial influx of money was used to purchase good looking videos and fluff stuff in order to make people part with yet more money making it the beginning of a scam. Once people were involved it was rather easy to look past delays and "problems" but nothing really comes forth expect yet another excuse or another delay or another broken promise. At some point a mature adult will take a good hard look at his business relation and make a call. Some will have a bigger financial pool to draw from so even 30.000 might not hurt all that much (hard to believe but I guess its possible, lots of the super rich have kids you know). But please dont try to sell this condition or apathy of yours as "take as much time as you need, its ready when its ready". I could ve been a backer as well if I didnt wait a few more months to see how it evolves and if I were whoever says this doesnt speak for me. Also I wouldnt be a smarty or goon or hater, I would simply be a disappointed backer whos expectations were not met. If other people are so shallow and easy to please....good for them, just dont try to talk me down because I expect actual value for my hard-earned money. And telling me to "get lost" or "get a refund" will not save the project either. It will simply reduce the pool of people to draw money from. Apart from the project turning into an echo chamber eventually.

But thank god people dont simply turn their back and walk away. I am not invested in Star Citizen and yet I keep speaking up. Freedom of speech and all that you know. Dont be mad at me if the results from CiG are laughable and reek of extortion and scam. Dont stalk me because I dare to point out obvious flaws and mistakes and even lies. Why would you hate on the messenger and not the one who actually creates the message?

There are countless people promising the world or the sky and often enough there are people who so desperately want that vision to become true that they will donate or give money to it. Most of these scams are short-lived tho because people stop caring if nothing ever comes to fruitation. A well managed scam lives from a carrot on a stick and this is something Chris Roberts and his family are pretty proficient in sad as it is. We are basically talking about extortion by now. CR lost my trust back in 2014 and everything he has done since then only confirms my initial impression. I am always amazed how people are willing and able to twist their own perception and willfully ignore obvious flaws and hints in order to "keep the dream alive". Due to the short attention span of todays population the frequent release of ATVs is an absolute MUST to keep the money-train going.

You always have to wake up eventually tho. A dream is just that, a dream and eventually even this one will come to an end.

I would give that scenario a 80%+ probability. Personal estimate of course. If anybody thinks its wrong and has an impression of success regarding SQ42 feel free to provide examples and facts which might support your opinion.

Star Citizen by now might as well be a still born project with no hope of revitalization. We have a thesis of a pool of roughly 2000 heavily invested people, called "whales" and I dont doubt that number really. Such a financial commitment would result in lots of community interaction (to keep up the hype and continue spreading the dream) and while the shills, ultras and white knights are still numerous on various comment sections and forums its nowhere as bad as it was in the first 2 years where you risked a tidal wave of crap beating you into the ground whenever you dared to show any sign of doubt. Things have changed and I m sure its because the pool of fanatics has become smaller over time. With a smaller pool of people to draw money from CiGs options have become less and I think thats what we see in the past 2 years or so. Videos have become less impressive and much shorter, its often in-editor snippets now instead of full-blown propaganda videos and the presentations have also lost a lot of glimmer and shine. I can credit CiG with a "good looking video" in 2017 but that doesnt change the fact that everything feels half-baked, unfinished and improvised. Yes, its an alpha, I never forgot that you know. Star Citizen reminds me in every moment that its "at best" an alpha and nothing more. But I am one of the people who remember what the original kickstarter amount was and I still see the list of stretch goals linked to monetary values before my eyes. CiG has been given time enough and also more then enough goodwill to materialize anything of those things and you know what.....I am still waiting for anything that will "blow my mind". The absolute BEST thing from Star Citizen so far for me was the original Kickstarter Trailer. We dont have that and if I take a look at the current game I see a game that doesnt resemble what was promised back then.

Anyway, if this thesis is true (less people who give money resulting in less impressive stuff coming from CiG) then we are talking about a downward spiral which will eventually result in a collapse. How long this will take depends on the remaining people who continue giving money for nothing in return. But if the current status is upheld and this is the best CiG can manage with the money from the die-hard fans who continue to believe then things will not improve. They will rather turn worse and every single backer going for a refund really hurts now further reducing CiGs movement.

CiG does NOT have all the time they need to make this work. They have a window and as far as I can tell that window is closing. And if the game finally dies it wont be because of the "haters" or "Derek Smart" its because Chris Roberts was unable to deliver what he promised. Simple truth folks.

People talk about the "future" of Star Citizen. About how content and quality needs to be "sufficient" in order to allow purchases and sales to reach a wider audience. This makes me LOL really. A final release resembling a functional game equals a wonder at the moment and people talk about as if thats a given.

As for the "future of crowdfunding" I dont really think a reveal of the scam that Star Citizen is or its collapse will "hurt" crowdfunding in general. It will make people more aware of the risks for sure (and only for those who followed the project really, so many people never heard about SC, a failure will not affect them or their decisions regarding crowdfunding). There are a few individuals who cannot be helped (I m talking about the remaining whales who keep giving hundreds each month) but the majority of people evaluates risk versus reward when backing a project. That wont change. Maybe people will look more into the background of the project managers. If that would happen with Chris Roberts back in 2012 Star Citizen probably wouldnt have blown past the 65 million so easily resulting in the mess we now have.

I believe that poll to be as bogus as the fundtracker of number of backers. It was used as a justification for a decision made by Chris Roberts. Neither were a sufficiant number of backers informed nor asked in order to justify turning the whole project around. The poll was for whoever managed to stumble across is in the time window it was up. I would ve expected emails to everybody but that never happened because then CRoberts couldnt control the outcome.

1. While I m sure thats exactly his plan he cannot do it because 3.0 doesnt exist to an extent that would allow him such a move. We only saw fragments of 3.0 and the presentation he gave himself wasnt 3.0 but "future patches" so of all the things 3.0 promised to deliver only a couple are checked.
2. I m sure their "exit strategy" is finetuned and maintained as we speak and discuss this trainwreck.
3. the whales and fanatics already do this and try to drive away anybody who isnt all-in. The problem is that they are unable to shut up skeptics and criticism but those things never were responsible for a projetcs failure.

No doubt but the simple and ugly truth is that all those shiny visuals dont make a game and the creator of those videos obviously thinks exactly the same way putting more focus and weight on shiny pictures then a solid foundation. Star Citizen reminds me of a delicate crystal statue. Its looks beautiful but touch it and it falls apart. Its meant to be watched, not played with. Wouldnt that be a shame for Star Citizen?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 30, 2017, 04:24:59 AM
So, this quote (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5870077&viewfull=1#post5870077) from MTBFritz on the Frontier SC v6 thread is pretty clear  :golfclap:   :five:

Yeah, I saw that yesterday. It's a brilliant post indeed. Thanks for sharing.

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I believe that poll to be as bogus as the fundtracker of number of backers. It was used as a justification for a decision made by Chris Roberts. Neither were a sufficiant number of backers informed nor asked in order to justify turning the whole project around. The poll was for whoever managed to stumble across is in the time window it was up. I would ve expected emails to everybody but that never happened because then CRoberts couldnt control the outcome.

I had previously written about the poll (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg2233#msg2233) he is talking about.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 30, 2017, 05:50:26 PM
Saved another one (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5873954&viewfull=1#post5873954)

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Well I read Derek Smarts blog and have drawn a personal conclusion towards Star Citizen, the game. I was offered some very good advice with no added comments one way or another when I first came into this thread. I was advised to wait and see what occurred with SC before dropping any real world money in. I disregarded what now appears to be very good advice. So, having cleared my thoughts on this, IS there a way to get a refund without a law suite I would never win? If so, how? Any help, like in the beginning, would be appreciated.

Chief
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 31, 2017, 09:29:09 AM
Yeah, he's never going to see his post/comment karma again, after those guys send it into a blackhole  :psyduck:

The 1 question that people need to ask CIG but no-one ever does (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6x7591/the_1_question_that_people_need_to_ask_cig_but/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on August 31, 2017, 09:36:30 AM
Yeah, he's never going to see his post/comment karma again, after those guys send it into a blackhole  :psyduck:

The 1 question that people need to ask CIG but no-one ever does (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6x7591/the_1_question_that_people_need_to_ask_cig_but/)
The poster states having completed two software development projects. That's two more than CIG/RSI has.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 31, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
Yeah, he's never going to see his post/comment karma again, after those guys send it into a blackhole  :psyduck:

The 1 question that people need to ask CIG but no-one ever does (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6x7591/the_1_question_that_people_need_to_ask_cig_but/)
The poster states having completed two software development projects. That's two more than CIG/RSI has.

Heh, yeah.

And it's almost as if all these questions that are coming up, following the disastrous GC2017, are all the same questions that fucking Derek Smart guy has been asking, and writing about since July 2015  :smuggo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 31, 2017, 09:48:36 AM
There goes another one (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6x7u72/submited_a_refund_request/)

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Thank you for your help. You are the reason that I made this decision, thank you for keeping my eyes clear and open to the stupidity going on with CIG. This is a link to my post about the refund.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on August 31, 2017, 05:23:04 PM
Who remembers about a month ago when Shitizens kicked up a furor that I had intentionally tagged Line Of Defense demos on YT using Star Citizen? Even though YT tends to mis-tag videos all the time.

Well, Mirificus over on SA (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=2059#post475947730), came across this.

Quote from: Mirificus" post="475946926
(http://i.imgur.com/SQemv8A.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6w1opq/twitter_omg_the_whole_thing_was_scripted_and_on/dm4yt4d/)

(http://i.imgur.com/TwhvzZs.png) (http://archive.is/V3dkG)


ONE MONTH AGO :


(http://i.imgur.com/W1ec2dh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/t4gMyH1.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/)

(http://i.imgur.com/EHtBtRX.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk8bsr7/)

(http://i.imgur.com/AgDQt6L.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk89v62/)

(http://i.imgur.com/myojq5B.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dkam56u/)

(http://i.imgur.com/eVhvvA6.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk8fzy9/)

(http://i.imgur.com/NfuuPja.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6nbpp3/derek_changed_the_name_of_his_game_on_youtube_to/dk8d8nb/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 01, 2017, 09:50:11 AM
Meanwhile, MTBFritz  has another one of his masterclass posts up (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5878839&viewfull=1#post5878839)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 01, 2017, 09:58:38 AM
Meanwhile, over there Development time of games and SC development time evaluation (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wkwm1/superb_post_on_spectrum_by_marti_development_time/)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wkwm1/superb_post_on_spectrum_by_marti_development_time/dm92y5h/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wkwm1/superb_post_on_spectrum_by_marti_development_time/dm97awk/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wkwm1/superb_post_on_spectrum_by_marti_development_time/dm9atg9/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wkwm1/superb_post_on_spectrum_by_marti_development_time/dm9ss67/

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wkwm1/superb_post_on_spectrum_by_marti_development_time/dm8rnrb/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 01, 2017, 10:21:14 AM
The tribe are pretty much getting used to the fact that 3.0 is a clusterfuck that, if released this year, would just continue to prolong the disaster.

I bet they release it by year end. They have to.

Star Citizen: Around the Verse - Gamescom 2017 Behind the Scenes (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6xcwbe/star_citizen_around_the_verse_gamescom_2017/dmf2bi5/?context=3)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 01, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Meanwhile, MTBFritz  has another one of his masterclass posts up (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/355735-Star-Citizen-Thread-v6?p=5878839&viewfull=1#post5878839)

That piece of text is a Tweet worth I'd say  :five:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 01, 2017, 10:35:19 AM
It is NOT set in stone that SQ42 will be shown during this years Citizencon! (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6xecds/it_is_not_set_in_stone_that_sq42_will_be_shown/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 01, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
The tribe are pretty much getting used to the fact that 3.0 is a clusterfuck that, if released this year, would just continue to prolong the disaster.

I bet they release it by year end. They have to.

Star Citizen: Around the Verse - Gamescom 2017 Behind the Scenes (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6xcwbe/star_citizen_around_the_verse_gamescom_2017/dmf2bi5/?context=3)

And because the 3.0 is such a disaster, Chris will then announce that it is obvious that the 4 studio thingy is not working and he therefore has decided to close 3 studio's immediatly and will regroup the best of the best into one studio so the 4.0 build will bring the polished quality of the highest fidelity. As he promised. Finally. Now if we just al could bear with him just thru one more concept sale, it'll be swell!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 01, 2017, 11:15:59 AM
Nice tweet BTW  :smuggo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 01, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Nice tweet BTW  :smuggo:

Yeah. I saw your earlier post, and considered it a good idea.  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 01, 2017, 11:34:35 AM
I'm full of it. Good idea's I mean   :cop:

Now let's see how they will comment on that tweet at /r/dereksmart

I'm really curious to see how they will spin that since it's no text from you
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 01, 2017, 02:29:42 PM
I swear these guys are way off the Sperg spectrum

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6xggl9/heres_why_i_think_luxury_is_important_and_worth/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6xggl9/heres_why_i_think_luxury_is_important_and_worth/)

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My goal in Star Citizen is to be a weapons trader. I want to get the good guns, tweak them and sell them. My dream is that when I deliver a load of weapons, it will be in a luxury ship like the 600i. When I show up to give you your weapons, I want you to think of me as a successful business man to be taken seriously.

I think there's a big difference between showing up in a Connie Andromeda vs. a 600i. It's not something most people would probably think about consciously, but there's a statement being made and people are going to respond to it in game.

On another note, probably even more important, everyone will probably be doing a lot of business with the AI and the ship you use could very well have a big impact on the AI's opinion of you. I could totally see some in-verse organizations
completely ignoring you if you don't show up in the right type of ship. That's a pretty easy thing to program and the AI will be way more common than players. Even pirates would likely respond very differently.

EDIT: I cannot afford to buy a 600i in real life. I plan on making the money in-game and buying one.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on September 02, 2017, 12:46:56 AM
I have a personal theory (with no real way to test it): since at every interview CRoberts says you can do anything in the game, nobody has really explained what the core gameplay really is. CIG are selling the dream of the BDSSE backed up with flashy jpegs. So I think all the zealots probably have their own little fantasy about what Star Citizen means to them and how they want to play it - and, my hypothesis, is that they are all different.

Of Course this means that they'll all be disappointed eventually when they realise that the game can never meet their fantasy expectations.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on September 02, 2017, 02:48:47 AM
^ Kind of the hype-loop NMS fell into? Jee, if only we had a recent example of how that ended... :doh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Aya Reiko on September 02, 2017, 03:00:09 AM
^ Kind of the hype-loop NMS fell into? Jee, if only we had a recent example of how that ended... :doh:
In NMS's case, it worked because the hype showcases worked as intended.

In SC's case, well...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on September 02, 2017, 08:18:00 AM
Interesting...
Is it just me or is this game also flagged falsely as Star Citizen by YouTube?
(https://i.imgur.com/7JIaWSx.png)

On a side note, looks like this game promises everything SC does minus the MMO part and will most surely deliver on their promise considering Egosoft's track record.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 02, 2017, 08:21:28 AM
Interesting...
Is it just me or is this game also flagged falsely as Star Citizen by YouTube?
(https://i.imgur.com/7JIaWSx.png)

On a side note, looks like this game promises everything SC does minus the MMO part and will most surely deliver on their promise considering Egosoft's track record.

heh, good find. Shitizens have been claiming that we tagged our videos manually in order to get page hits through Star Citizen.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on September 02, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
heh, good find. Shitizens have been claiming that we tagged our videos manually in order to get page hits through Star Citizen.

I stumbled upon it out of pure interest for X4's release details. The moment I saw the incorrect tag is when I recalled the YouTube false tagging debacle that was brought back in this thread a few days ago.

Call me paranoid but how exactly did YouTube rank Star Citizen as so important as to tag any video resembling it. Could it be all the streamers doing CIGs bidding that skews YT's algorithms?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 02, 2017, 08:44:47 AM
heh, good find. Shitizens have been claiming that we tagged our videos manually in order to get page hits through Star Citizen.

I stumbled upon it out of pure interest for X4's release details. The moment I saw the incorrect tag is when I recalled the YouTube false tagging debacle that was brought back in this thread a few days ago.

Call me paranoid but how exactly did YouTube rank Star Citizen as so important as to tag any video resembling it. Could it be all the streamers doing CIGs bidding that skews YT's algorithms?

We have no clue. What we found is that if you don't manually tag a video, it will then use Star Citizen. Probably because it's the most popular video tag used on the system. We had to go in and manually tag all our videos with our actual game name in order to fix it.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 02, 2017, 09:09:43 AM
Meanwhile, over at the refund shack (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6xhsvu/to_hell_with_the_verse_refund_request_submitted/)

The reasons are bollocks. They all wanted out. Now they're using all kinds of bullshit reasons to get out because you know impressions are everything. Fuck 'em.

As I said yesterday, I hope CIG just stops giving refunds. I want them ALL to lose their money because THEY are the reason that this farce continues, and has lasted this long, thus prolonging my fucking E.L.E. Those bastards.  :argh:

After a long drawn out battle, my fight is over. Unfortunately my full refund request was denied (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6xbuyw/after_a_long_drawn_out_battle_my_fight_is_over/)

Just wait, it's about to get a whole lot worse

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on September 02, 2017, 09:34:11 AM
I truly believe some of the people genuinely deserve to get their money back as they are being actively manipulated into thinking they're buying into a project that will succeed. Especially most of the newcomers.

That said, it's the whales and white knights that deserve no pity and to lose all their money :black101: :10bux:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 02, 2017, 10:04:37 AM
Another good thing about denying the refunds is that it wil create a shitload of work for Customer Service. Now I do not wish that to them personally of course, but as a company, they have to take on the extra work and might start wondering why they have to deny and deny and deny and maybe they start asking questions internally or try to vent their frustrations outwards. It's not only another sign that something is wrong, it might be another opening of the lid of the cesspool.

The honest believers who now have seen the light, I would like them to get a refund. The white knights and the cultists however, I wouldn't lose any sleep over them not getting their money back.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 03, 2017, 05:02:46 AM
LOL!!! This is getting kinda hilarious. I guess we're all getting in on that sweet, sweet, infringement (Shitizens are fucking morons) action  :laugh:

(https://i.imgur.com/WglAehJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VtrE0bS.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 03, 2017, 05:07:48 AM
Another good thing about denying the refunds is that it wil create a shitload of work for Customer Service. Now I do not wish that to them personally of course, but as a company, they have to take on the extra work and might start wondering why they have to deny and deny and deny and maybe they start asking questions internally or try to vent their frustrations outwards. It's not only another sign that something is wrong, it might be another opening of the lid of the cesspool.

The honest believers who now have seen the light, I would like them to get a refund. The white knights and the cultists however, I wouldn't lose any sleep over them not getting their money back.

I don't feel sorry for them at all. It's their job. That's what CS is for. As to the refunds, as long as backers have the right to a refund, they have no choice but to give it. Sure they can stop giving refunds, and challenge Shitizens in court, but that will be the dumbest thing ever - and they know it. But soon, they won't have a choice but to stop giving refunds, which is what I've recently been hearing.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 03, 2017, 05:15:51 AM
Well, I do feel sorry for them, as for most staff at CIG. They are just people trying to earn a living. Not all of them are part of the scam that Chris is running. Probably some of them even don't know what is going on. So in that regard, I do not want to see CIG collapse. The human aspect remains that some 300 people will lose their jobs. But you didn't back Scam Shitizen to pay for other people's income. You want the game. And that's why this scam should stop.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 03, 2017, 10:59:21 AM
We all know the answer to this one, I think.

Does it make financial sense for CIG to ever release this game? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6xmvl6/does_it_make_financial_sense_for_cig_to_ever/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 03, 2017, 11:40:45 AM
I didn't get a downvote in that thread  :stare:

It's doesn't matter. CIG has burned through all the money already and is running on fumes. This whole farce will crash and burn, probably within a few months. The sooner people will stop buying more fancy JPEGs, the sooner CIG will collapse. And no, by buying them you will not make sure the game will finish. That is not going to happen. It's beyond salvation.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 03, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
I didn't get a downvote in that thread  :stare:

It's doesn't matter. CIG has burned through all the money already and is running on fumes. This whole farce will crash and burn, probably within a few months. The sooner people will stop buying more fancy JPEGs, the sooner CIG will collapse. And no, by buying them you will not make sure the game will finish. That is not going to happen. It's beyond salvation.

I think they're either ignoring you now, or the even the most fanatic are on the ropes.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 03, 2017, 12:13:12 PM
Ignoring me? Ignoring ME? IGNORING ME? WHAT?

No, I don't think they can  :D

But even if they do, my comments are there for others to read. Just keep poking it up and up. Wanna share how long you think I have to keep doing that?  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 03, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: Mirificus" post="476032895
(http://i.imgur.com/IicF4qL.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/6xs6ag/dsmart_on_twitter_ptii_of_matts_star_citizen_cost/dmidhdg/?context=3)

These. Fucking. Morons.

Let's see, shall we?

First of all, since my very first game, I have used the industry standard build/patch numbering scheme. Most recent:

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LoD:
http://lodgame.com/changelog

LoD Tactics
http://lodgame.com/tactics-changelog/

UCCE 3.0
http://3000ad.com/ucce30-changelog/

UCCE 2.0
http://3000ad.com/ucce20-changelog/

AAW
http://downloads.3000ad.com/aaw_changelog.txt

AOA
http://downloads.3000ad.com/aoa_changelog.txt

GCES
http://3000ad.com/downloads/gc/stm/gcesSE_changelog.txt

CIG. A comedy of failures.

And they're not even out of Alpha yet, but they're using numbering scheme for a live released title. Because clearly we know nothing about game development.

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Yeah because this is perfectly normal:

2.6 (Star Marine) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15646-Star-Citizen-Alpha-26-With-Star-Marine-Available

2.0 (PU) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15106-Star-Citizen-Alpha-20-Available

1.2 (ArcCorp) <https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14927-Welcome-To-ArcCorp-Star-Citizen-12-Released

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Then on April 10, 2015, they switched.

1.1 https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14651-Note-From-The-Chairman-Version-Numbering

New Plan!

Alpha 1.1.1 – Today’s Update (Primarily Arena Commander improvements)
Alpha 1.1.2 – Code Stability bug fix patch for Pre-Star Marine
Alpha 1.2.0 – Star Marine
Alpha 1.3.0 – Social Module

1.0 (Arena Commander) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link//14399-Star-Citizen-Patch-V100

0.8 (Hangar) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13909-Arena-Commander-Launched

0.x (Hangar) https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13233-Hangar-Module-Released
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 04, 2017, 07:54:09 AM
Surprisingly, they are still actually debating (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/gamescon-2017-disappointment/427406) the fact that GC2017 was a nonsensical and disastrous rehash of what was shown at GC2016.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 04, 2017, 09:02:57 AM
Meanwhile, over there. Happiness, Star Citizen, and you (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6y0yj9/happiness_star_citizen_and_you/?st=J76CPZV5&sh=a5cea215)  #notacult
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 04, 2017, 09:04:01 AM
From that same topic: Who knows maybe connection issue was sabotaged by haters

Oh man,  :wtf:  :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 07, 2017, 07:38:23 AM
MOVED

So, someone posted this rumor on Reddit: (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6yezmh/rumors_from_gamescom_2017/)

So guys, I don't think this post will be very popular but I've head some gossip from a source that was on the floor in Cologne. Here is what he heard, apparently the team from GiG was looking to secure funding, in the form of a 75 million dollars investment, from other game companies during the conference for use of their technology. No news on why they would want to do that but that's the rumor. Apparently, the other piece of it is that there's not been any progress on SQ 42 at all since last year, they focused entirely on making the technology work for SC 3.0 so they would have chance of selling it ? Not sure. I'm not saying they are running out of money, I have no idea if it's true. But the source is someone I trust (friend of mine since school in Switzerland) working for a large Eastern European games company. Anyway that's the rumor, wanted to share it with you guys.

It's worse than that.

And it's not the tech they were trying to sell. They were seeking investment funding for the project itself. I already wrote about this, but most people discarded it as rumor.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/905473821049802752

So, someone posted this rumor on Reddit: (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6yezmh/rumors_from_gamescom_2017/)

So guys, I don't think this post will be very popular but I've head some gossip from a source that was on the floor in Cologne. Here is what he heard, apparently the team from GiG was looking to secure funding, in the form of a 75 million dollars investment, from other game companies during the conference for use of their technology. No news on why they would want to do that but that's the rumor. Apparently, the other piece of it is that there's not been any progress on SQ 42 at all since last year, they focused entirely on making the technology work for SC 3.0 so they would have chance of selling it ? Not sure. I'm not saying they are running out of money, I have no idea if it's true. But the source is someone I trust (friend of mine since school in Switzerland) working for a large Eastern European games company. Anyway that's the rumor, wanted to share it with you guys.

It's worse than that.

And it's not the tech they were trying to sell. They were seeking investment funding for the project itself. I already wrote about this, but most people discarded it as rumor.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/905473821049802752

Well, he made a video.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 07, 2017, 07:38:40 AM
MOVED

Well considering nothing he said can be proven, I am not sure why that video is even a topic of discussion anyways?  Anybody can make a video and start making all kinds of claims, just because it happens to match what you like to hear does not mean it is true.

That's what this sub-forum is for. It's for discussing such things. Hence "Star Citizen Media Articles".

And yeah, rumors are what they are; however, like all the lies Croberts and CIG have been telling, and which ended up in print, those could very well be the same as rumors because they're either true or false.

And obviously this backer is talking about rumors which I have written about for MONTHS now. But since those guys tend to just ignore everything...until it turns out to be true, they just ignored it as usual. I recall it was only recently we were arguing about the Coutts loan. Here we are.

In a 01/12/17 article (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5174/) which I wrote, I said:

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They’re rumored to be quite low on funds (it’s expensive to fund [img=https://imgur.com/5fqTqpt.jpg]http://4 studios and almost 400 people[/img] around the globe), so we already expected this to start happening eventually. With this much money at stake, all things considered, CIG is basically robbing Peter (new backers) to pay Paul (refunds). Which is how a Ponzi scheme collapses once the amount of money needed to give to Paul, exceeds what was taken from Peter – and spent.

If after all these months of being warned you didn’t get a refund, well, you only have yourself to blame.

In a 01/14/17 article (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5198/), I wrote an article in which Croberts basically admitted (https://web.archive.org/web/20170406022710/https://www.pcinvasion.com/squadron-42-fund-star-citizen-cash) that he was now running a Ponzi scheme:

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"First of all, we always have a decent amount of money in reserve, so if all support would collapse, we would not suddenly be incapacitated. We plan the scope of the development based on what arrives monthly by the people to support. I’m not worried, because even if no money came in, we would have sufficient funds to complete Squadron 42. The revenue from this could in-turn be used for the completion of Star Citizen."

Even though we know for a fact that the funding chart is inaccurate, it stands to reason that they have been living month-to-month off sales, subscriptions and these shows. With their estimated worldwide burn rate, no way in hell they can sustain it without shipping a final project.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: FredBloggs on September 07, 2017, 07:58:57 AM
MOVED

Well considering nothing he said can be proven, I am not sure why that video is even a topic of discussion anyways?  Anybody can make a video and start making all kinds of claims, just because it happens to match what you like to hear does not mean it is true.

That's what this sub-forum is for. It's for discussing such things. Hence "Star Citizen Media Articles".

And yeah, rumors are what they are; however, like all the lies Croberts and CIG have been telling, and which ended up in print, those could very well be the same as rumors because they're either true or false.

And obviously this backer is talking about rumors which I have written about for MONTHS now. But since those guys tend to just ignore everything...until it turns out to be true, they just ignored it as usual. I recall it was only recently we were arguing about the Coutts loan. Here we are.

In a 01/12/17 article (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5174/) which I wrote, I said:

Quote
They’re rumored to be quite low on funds (it’s expensive to fund 4 studios and almost 400 people around the globe), so we already expected this to start happening eventually. With this much money at stake, all things considered, CIG is basically robbing Peter (new backers) to pay Paul (refunds). Which is how a Ponzi scheme collapses once the amount of money needed to give to Paul, exceeds what was taken from Peter – and spent.

(https://imgur.com/5fqTqpt.jpg)

If after all these months of being warned you didn’t get a refund, well, you only have yourself to blame.

In a 01/14/17 article (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5198/), I wrote an article in which Croberts basically admitted (http://www.pcinvasion.com/squadron-42-fund-star-citizen-cash) that he was now running a Ponzi scheme:

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"First of all, we always have a decent amount of money in reserve, so if all support would collapse, we would not suddenly be incapacitated. We plan the scope of the development based on what arrives monthly by the people to support. I’m not worried, because even if no money came in, we would have sufficient funds to complete Squadron 42. The revenue from this could in-turn be used for the completion of Star Citizen."

Even though we know for a fact that the funding chart is inaccurate, it stands to reason that they have been living month-to-month off sales, subscriptions and these shows. With their estimated worldwide burn rate, no way in hell they can sustain it without shipping a final project.

The pc invasion article doesn't exist anymore - do you have an archive version of it so I can read it please? Thanks.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 07, 2017, 08:29:53 AM
The pc invasion article doesn't exist anymore - do you have an archive version of it so I can read it please? Thanks.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170406022710/https://www.pcinvasion.com/squadron-42-fund-star-citizen-cash
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on September 07, 2017, 08:38:32 AM
Well, I do feel sorry for them, as for most staff at CIG. They are just people trying to earn a living. Not all of them are part of the scam that Chris is running. Probably some of them even don't know what is going on. So in that regard, I do not want to see CIG collapse. The human aspect remains that some 300 people will lose their jobs. But you didn't back Scam Shitizen to pay for other people's income. You want the game. And that's why this scam should stop.

I was sacked twice and made redundant twice in five years in my 20's.   All from degree plus level professional jobs , 3 of which were Blue Chips. None of those were remotely my fault and I had skills and experience in demand too.

This is the world of work.

But sure it isn't a nice thing to happen to people but quite frankly if you work for CIG you do have acces to what is going on far more readily than most people do in their jobs in other industries.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 08, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
Meanwhile, over there, they have a thread on a recently departed team member (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6yu35n/omar_aweidah_has_moved_on_from_cig/dmqc8zu/?context=3)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 08, 2017, 09:38:59 AM
I just posted the link, nothing more. No comments, nothing. Just the link. See how some jump on it  :D

Oh, and somebody connected the dots.... motto and mjotto. Kudo's guys, like I did hide it or something  :doh:

23 unread messages overthere. That 9 minute is killing me. Anyway, away now. Come on Derek, spill the beans already  :supaburn:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 08, 2017, 11:25:35 AM
I just posted the link, nothing more. No comments, nothing. Just the link. See how some jump on it  :D

Oh, and somebody connected the dots.... motto and mjotto. Kudo's guys, like I did hide it or something  :doh:

23 unread messages overthere. That 9 minute is killing me. Anyway, away now. Come on Derek, spill the beans already  :supaburn:

Ah don't pressure him, I'm sure he gave verbal agreements to the people he talked to that he wouldn't leak what they were telling him in a personally identifiable manner. NDA's and all you know the spiel. At the least from this you know Derek follows a code of conduct, and ethics to a degree that makes Croberts look like the amoral A-Hole he is...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 08, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
I just posted the link, nothing more. No comments, nothing. Just the link. See how some jump on it  :D

Oh, and somebody connected the dots.... motto and mjotto. Kudo's guys, like I did hide it or something  :doh:

23 unread messages overthere. That 9 minute is killing me. Anyway, away now. Come on Derek, spill the beans already  :supaburn:

Ah don't pressure him, I'm sure he gave verbal agreements to the people he talked to that he wouldn't leak what they were telling him in a personally identifiable manner. NDA's and all you know the spiel. At the least from this you know Derek follows a code of conduct, and ethics to a degree that makes Croberts look like the amoral A-Hole he is...

I have always maintained that I will never publicly post anything that sources told me not to reveal. I have well placed sources and I know a lot of things that are not even public, for that very reason. I'm just a blogger who isn't profiting from, nor have anything to gain from any of this. So I have no incentive to jump the gun.

As an example, I knew for exactly 11 days, that 3.0 was "non-existent" and that "Croberts went to GC2016" and lied. I also knew that the demo was full blown R&D and wasn't actual 3.0 gameplay code. I never revealed any of those things until I was given the all clear because only very few people had knowledge of it before Croberts went on stage. If you check the timeline, as soon as he was done with his lies, I started writing about all those three things. All of which came true. Most glaring ones were the R&D demo (which they later confessed to), as well as the state of 3.0 when Croberts lied about it.

The SQ42 leak was hilarious because I had reported that months before that it was neither going to be shown, let alone released in 2016. And ahead of the show, I repeated that. Shitizens went nuclear. Then I was right - again. And the same thing happened this year.

Right now, what I'm sitting on is highly explosive, and even only a select few Goons already (in the past 24hrs) know a small part of it.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/906168038705201157
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 08, 2017, 05:25:30 PM
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 08, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...

I already wrote a book. Been working on it since early 2016 and about 95% finished. I am not going to publish (Amazon) it until the final curtain.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 08, 2017, 05:37:19 PM
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...

I already wrote a book. Been working on it since early 2016 and about 95% finished. I am not going to publish (Amazon) it until the final curtain.

Good deal, you'll have a sale from me. So have you thought about that cover yet???
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 08, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...

I already wrote a book. Been working on it since early 2016 and about 95% finished. I am not going to publish (Amazon) it until the final curtain.

Good deal, you'll have a sale from me. So have you thought about that cover yet???

Yup, already have a cover and everything.  :smuggo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 08, 2017, 05:48:11 PM
And, of course, a huge discount for those guys I assume?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 08, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
And, of course, a huge discount for those guys I assume?

I'd give them all a free copy because the tears would be worth their price in Gold.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 08, 2017, 06:03:47 PM
But if they want a cover, they have to pay for it. Because that's such a nice JPEG  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on September 08, 2017, 06:23:07 PM
All I have to say is when this shit show finally ends, you have to write a book. You can put me down for a copy. My only request is that you somehow work :gary: on to the cover in holographic foil...

I already wrote a book. Been working on it since early 2016 and about 95% finished. I am not going to publish (Amazon) it until the final curtain.

Good deal, you'll have a sale from me. So have you thought about that cover yet???

It would be a nice touch imho to get one of CIGs fired artists to design the cover...

Then Derek could get him/her to do it again 478.63 times.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 08, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 08, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl

See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 08, 2017, 08:18:00 PM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl

See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.

hmmm....

Moeis=Fandred1

Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 08, 2017, 09:19:17 PM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl

See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.

hmmm....

Moeis=Fandred1

Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...

Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me.  It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit. 
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here.  :shrug:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 08, 2017, 09:26:03 PM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl

See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.

hmmm....

Moeis=Fandred1

Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...

Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me.  It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit. 
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here.  :shrug:

I said I'd rule for preponderance of the evidence. Look that up, it only means you have to be 51% sure. You do see my disclaimer, eg... "Though you can't be totally sure", eg... "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt." eg... 90%+ sure."

Basically what I'm trying to say is that in forum mod land, (and I've modded on more then a few forums, and game servers). You run on preponderance of the evidence, you have to, seriously who is going to call for a jury trial at midnight???

And it's not like you got perma banned, eg... Capital Punishment. Derek and the other mods are in my view very fair.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 08, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl

See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.

hmmm....

Moeis=Fandred1

Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...

Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me.  It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit. 
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here.  :shrug:

I said I'd rule for preponderance of the evidence. Look that up, it only means you have to be 51% sure. You do see my disclaimer, eg... "Though you can't be totally sure", eg... "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt." eg... 90%+ sure."

Basically what I'm trying to say is that in forum mod land, (and I've modded on more then a few forums, and game servers). You run on preponderance of the evidence, you have to, seriously who is going to call for a jury trial at midnight???

And it's not like you got perma banned, eg... Capital Punishment. Derek and the other mods are in my view very fair.

Sorry, that is my bad, I really meant to click on the quote for Derek's post, it is a force of habit for me to click on the bottom right hand corner for quoting because of a forum I have been a member of for over a decade that has the quote button on the bottom right corner.  I have 10's of thousands of posts in that forum, it is basically muscle memory, haha.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 09, 2017, 08:03:49 AM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl

See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.

hmmm....

Moeis=Fandred1

Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...

Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me.  It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit. 
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here.  :shrug:

Well, we go with evidence, as well as track record. That's how we ended up busting - and banning - most of them. Serendipity is only still here because 1) others (e.g. Motto) decided that we needed a forum mascot and /r/ds representative to laugh at, so I unbanned him. That was after he got busted as being ConfusedMonkeh (who is banned here) - which he admitted to 2) we DO welcome dissenting voices and people with opposing opinions.

The problem is that if you look at the denizens of /r/ds, they're not the sort of people you would be caught associating with, let alone playing a game with. As a result, we simply don't want them here.

We also get reasonable people from /r/starcitizen from time to time. We argue. We laugh etc. But no insults or anything of the sort because we know that a LOT of the true fans of the game, are still hopefully, want the game etc. And they're not engaged in any harassment or anything of the sort.

There is a reason why the mods in /r/starcitizen simply do NOT allow those /r/ds guys to bring ANY of their crap into their sub Reddit. The /r/ds guys are the dregs of the Star Citizen community, the worst of the worst, and are a big part of the reason that the Star Citizen community gets a bad rap. When I told them that creating a sub Reddit in my name, for the sole purpose of engaging in targeted harassment was only going to end up amplifying my commentary, and make them look like the anti-social abusive stalkers, they thought it was just hyperbole. Then they wonder why people go there, take one look, and judge the Star Citizen community by what they see there. They're their own worst enemy, not to mention that, besides Croberts, are the worst thing that could ever have happened to Star Citizen.

As I mentioned in my PM to you, we welcome all kinds of discussions here. What we do NOT allow are personal attacks, circular arguments, strawman arguments, and wanton trolling (e.g. "You! No, you!" are not meaningful discussions). This is not a hug box, and nobody is here to win anyone over, or convince anyone to change their position. We simply don't do that here, nor encourage it.

And making a discussion about someone (e.g. your incessant attacks about how I spend my time, how you think it has made my life worse etc), instead of Star Citizen, gets you banned. No second chances. I opted not to ban you last night because with Serendipity on a temp ban until next week, you seem to be filling in his slot for the lols.

Anyway, as per my PM, if you're going to engage us here, just know that we're not the type of people who just throw stuff out there for the heck of it. That's why this forum doesn't have any "noise". So when you continue to post things like "I don't believe you", "You haven't convinced me" etc, we just ignore those because you're not adding anything to the discussion, as you don't offer any reasonable explanation as to why you chose a position. And if you continue along that path, myself and the mods will just keep deleting your posts without warning.

You are more than welcome to stick around; but rule of thumb is simple. If you can't stick to the rules, don't post. You don't need an account to read the forum, that's why I have it open to reading, but an account is required to post.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 09, 2017, 02:38:13 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6z4d22/new_player_can_anyone_save_me_from_a_miserable/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJUBj-FWAAETSVF.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on September 09, 2017, 02:51:57 PM
Quote
Can someone give me some pointers on what a brand new player should be doing?
1. Get a refund
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 09, 2017, 03:38:26 PM
https://www.reddit.com/user/CyberArmProsthesis (https://www.reddit.com/user/CyberArmProsthesis)

(http://i.imgur.com/9v3ofi4.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/guKsxbJ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/DGuDGmn.png)


Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 09, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
 :lol:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJUDa8cX0AAmuXc.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 09, 2017, 05:19:00 PM
:damn: That was quick, snapshot already posted over at r/ds...

http://archive.is/gjRkl

See the time stamp? Now go look in the other thread (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3828#new) where I'm engaged in a discussion. Now put 2+2 together and see if you can guess who did that. These guys are so predictable.

hmmm....

Moeis=Fandred1

Would be my guess. Though you can't be totally sure, but I would certainly rule in favor of a mere preponderance of the evidence...

Now I know what r/ds is, why nobody could tell me what it was in the first place, is beyond me.  It might come as a surprise but not everybody goes to rededit. 
Of course i am going to be accused of posting that especially since there is no way to prove I am not that person, and using circumstantial evidence seems to be in order here.  :shrug:

Well, we go with evidence, as well as track record. That's how we ended up busting - and banning - most of them. Serendipity is only still here because 1) others (e.g. Motto) decided that we needed a forum mascot and /r/ds representative to laugh at, so I unbanned him. That was after he got busted as being ConfusedMonkeh (who is banned here) - which he admitted to 2) we DO welcome dissenting voices and people with opposing opinions.

The problem is that if you look at the denizens of /r/ds, they're not the sort of people you would be caught associating with, let alone playing a game with. As a result, we simply don't want them here.

We also get reasonable people from /r/starcitizen from time to time. We argue. We laugh etc. But no insults or anything of the sort because we know that a LOT of the true fans of the game, are still hopefully, want the game etc. And they're not engaged in any harassment or anything of the sort.

There is a reason why the mods in /r/starcitizen simply do NOT allow those /r/ds guys to bring ANY of their crap into their sub Reddit. The /r/ds guys are the dregs of the Star Citizen community, the worst of the worst, and are a big part of the reason that the Star Citizen community gets a bad rap. When I told them that creating a sub Reddit in my name, for the sole purpose of engaging in targeted harassment was only going to end up amplifying my commentary, and make them look like the anti-social abusive stalkers, they thought it was just hyperbole. Then they wonder why people go there, take one look, and judge the Star Citizen community by what they see there. They're their own worst enemy, not to mention that, besides Croberts, are the worst thing that could ever have happened to Star Citizen.

As I mentioned in my PM to you, we welcome all kinds of discussions here. What we do NOT allow are personal attacks, circular arguments, strawman arguments, and wanton trolling (e.g. "You! No, you!" are not meaningful discussions). This is not a hug box, and nobody is here to win anyone over, or convince anyone to change their position. We simply don't do that here, nor encourage it.

And making a discussion about someone (e.g. your incessant attacks about how I spend my time, how you think it has made my life worse etc), instead of Star Citizen, gets you banned. No second chances. I opted not to ban you last night because with Serendipity on a temp ban until next week, you seem to be filling in his slot for the lols.

Anyway, as per my PM, if you're going to engage us here, just know that we're not the type of people who just throw stuff out there for the heck of it. That's why this forum doesn't have any "noise". So when you continue to post things like "I don't believe you", "You haven't convinced me" etc, we just ignore those because you're not adding anything to the discussion, as you don't offer any reasonable explanation as to why you chose a position. And if you continue along that path, myself and the mods will just keep deleting your posts without warning.

You are more than welcome to stick around; but rule of thumb is simple. If you can't stick to the rules, don't post. You don't need an account to read the forum, that's why I have it open to reading, but an account is required to post.


Pretty lame of them create a rededit page related to you.  I looked it over for a little bit, and it doesn't seem any different than any of the other pages I looked at years ago and what made me decide to not ever be  lurker nor a member there.  The only time rededit has ever been useful for me is when someone links a developer question and answer session there.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 12, 2017, 03:18:07 PM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 12, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on September 12, 2017, 04:01:56 PM
I don't think that leaver wants to be doxxed. So no screens for you.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 12, 2017, 04:04:14 PM
Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

Well, the only thing I trust about now - besides Derek of course - are people admitting to go for a refund.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 12, 2017, 04:19:10 PM
I don't think that leaver wants to be doxxed. So no screens for you.
Considering a screenshot would not contain personal information, he wouldn't get doxxed.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on September 12, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 12, 2017, 05:49:32 PM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true.  So yeah, big difference.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on September 12, 2017, 06:41:47 PM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true.  So yeah, big difference.

Thats an idiotic thing to say.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Aya Reiko on September 12, 2017, 10:48:12 PM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true.  So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 12, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true.  So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 09:32:24 AM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

Goons actually found and linked his RSI profile in our Discord channel as they've been doing due to that Redit moron, http://reddit.com/u/hater115/, using new accounts to post fake refunds.

Plus, what's it to you, and why do you care whether people refunding is real or not?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

 :lol:
 :five: :five: :five:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true.  So yeah, big difference.

OMG!! That's the dumbest thing I've read all week. And it's already Wednesday. Are you serious?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 09:37:03 AM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true.  So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?

We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 10:54:03 AM
Meanwhile over there, another whale refunded (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zjwm7/i_just_put_in_a_refund_request_too_through/)
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

and yet you dont require CIG to publish accounts...

CIG has proven they are still making the games in various ways, the "whale" is just some random poster that doesn't have anything to show that could lead to his story might be true.  So yeah, big difference.
Serenstupidity, is that you?

We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

Lol, this is the second person you guys claimed I am, yet you guys can't fathom the idea I am someone completly new. /Facepalm
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 11:11:57 AM
Quote
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

Lol, this is the second person you guys claimed I am, yet you guys can't fathom the idea I am someone completly new. /Facepalm

You should read what I wrote again. Slowly. If I was convinced you were another of his alts, you would be banned by now. Why else I did I use the word "think" above?

And several of us think you're another of his alts; not just two people.

Get a grip.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kastenbrust on September 13, 2017, 02:25:54 PM
He would be better off providing a screenshot of his account showing how much he put into the games.  That way people can have more to go by then just some post that may or may not be true. Anything that can help backup his story would be a good thing.

It would be incredibly dumb to do that before the refund is actually paid and cleared into his bank account, as CIG has a history of refusing refunds if you criticise the game publicly.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kastenbrust on September 13, 2017, 02:44:26 PM
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...

For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 13, 2017, 03:48:22 PM
Boy am I glad that all my personalities are on a VPN  :smuggo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 04:19:25 PM
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...

For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:

 :lol: He's going to be so triggered when he reads this  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 04:20:02 PM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on September 13, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...

For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:

 :lol: He's going to be so triggered when he reads this  :laugh:

As a recruitment consultant I had already made the feminine trait connection.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 13, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
Maybe it's Batgirl?  :wave:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 05:27:42 PM
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...

For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 05:29:36 PM
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...

For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:

 :lol: He's going to be so triggered when he reads this  :laugh:

Triggered by a post from some random anonymous person?
https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on September 13, 2017, 05:37:12 PM
Maybe it's Batgirl?  :wave:

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 05:40:33 PM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

Now that is what I am talking about, they provided screenshots that can lead to credibility that the story is true.

Don't blame that group for getting a refund.  Like I have said, nobody should ever spend more on a crowdfunded game than they are willing to lose, cause there are no guarantees.  If you are someone with even a tiny bit of doubt and you see your money as something you can't fathom to lose, then you better get a refund, otherwise it might eat at you, and it is not worth being eaten at like that over a game.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 05:41:41 PM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

Now that is what I am talking about, they provided screenshots that can lead to credibility that the story is true.

Don't blame that group for getting a refund.  Like I have said, nobody should ever spend more on a crowdfunded game than they are willing to lose, cause there are no guarantees.  If you are someone with even a tiny bit of doubt and you see your money as something you can't fathom to lose, then you better get a refund, otherwise it might eat at you, and it is not worth being eaten at like that over a game.

haha,
"he is worse than dead, his brain is gone"
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 06:00:05 PM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

The guy just added the Zendesk log to the post for those who are thinking the refund claim is fake.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 06:04:36 PM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

The guy just added the Zendesk log to the post for those who are thinking the refund claim is fake.

Since not all of their members agreed with refunding, I wondering how much of that 45K will go back into SC.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 13, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

The guy just added the Zendesk log to the post for those who are thinking the refund claim is fake.

Since not all of their members agreed with refunding, I wondering how much of that 45K will go back into SC.

Why don't you go and ask them? And what does it matter how much, if any, will go back into SC?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 06:28:13 PM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

The guy just added the Zendesk log to the post for those who are thinking the refund claim is fake.

Since not all of their members agreed with refunding, I wondering how much of that 45K will go back into SC.

Why don't you go and ask them? And what does it matter how much, if any, will go back into SC?

I have no interest of becoming a member of rededit.  Why does it matter how much, if any, will be taken out of SC?  You are curious about refunds happening, just as valid to be curious to know if any of that will go back in.

I now it is an answer I will never see, but the thought still came to me none the less.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kastenbrust on September 13, 2017, 07:21:51 PM
Since not all of their members agreed with refunding, I wondering how much of that 45K will go back into SC.

I'm guessing they got spooked by the coming Terms of Service change, and so will probably get all their money out and reinvest when the game is finally released. They hinted at that in the Reddit post, saying other org users are refunding their own personal account ships also, and it could amount to even more than $45k.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: ecg on September 13, 2017, 07:26:32 PM
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong) and looks to be due to a lack of trust/faith/etc. in CIG and Croberts. Some members of that group may re-pledge their personal amounts.
Again the important part seems that everyday it looks like more and more original KS backers are jumping ship. I got my 250$ out earlier this year, pledged via KS Oct. 2012. This was also based on personal observations, months before I started following the DS side of things.
And yes, some could be fake. But would not be surprised if some of the gaming sites start reporting on this large refund activity, which will lead to more questions about the state of the game.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kastenbrust on September 13, 2017, 07:31:33 PM
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...

There's actually been quite a shocking amount of refunds just in total amounts, we've calculated it's into the multiple millions now, although as you say nowhere near $100 million. But remember CIG is constantly spending cash and even needs bank loans to keep going, so refunds will hurt them a lot like a wounded animal haemorrhaging blood. If they have a negative cash flow it makes the business look terrible to prospective investors or for future loans, it's what kills most businesses.  :black101:

Also on your other point, the number of refunds is also turning exponential and reaching a "critical mass". The main Star Citizen refund subreddit has grown nearly 50% in a couple of months and adding hundreds of people almost every other week now. After Gamescom we expected things to quieten down, but the opposite has happened and refunds are speeding up still!! Goodness knows what's going to happen after Citizencon but I expect an armageddon.  :supaburn:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on September 13, 2017, 07:36:09 PM
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...

There's actually been quite a shocking amount of refunds just in total amounts, we've calculated it's into the multiple millions now, although as you say nowhere near $100 million. But remember CIG is constantly spending cash and even needs bank loans to keep going, so refunds will hurt them a lot like a wounded animal haemorrhaging blood. If they have a negative cash flow it makes the business look terrible to prospective investors or for future loans, it's what kills most businesses.  :black101:

Also on your other point, the number of refunds is also turning exponential and reaching a "critical mass". The main Star Citizen refund subreddit has grown nearly 50% in a couple of months and adding hundreds of people almost every other week now. After Gamescom we expected things to quieten down, but the opposite has happened and refunds are speeding up still!! Goodness knows what's going to happen after Citizencon but I expect an armageddon.  :supaburn:

Yes Reddit SC refunds has exploded this month.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: ecg on September 13, 2017, 07:36:13 PM
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...

There's actually been quite a shocking amount of refunds just in total amounts, we've calculated it's into the multiple millions now, although as you say nowhere near $100 million. But remember CIG is constantly spending cash and even needs bank loans to keep going, so refunds will hurt them a lot like a wounded animal haemorrhaging blood. If they have a negative cash flow it makes the business look terrible to prospective investors or for future loans, it's what kills most businesses.  :black101:

Also on your other point, the number of refunds is also turning exponential and reaching a "critical mass". The main Star Citizen refund subreddit has grown nearly 50% in a couple of months and adding hundreds of people almost every other week now. After Gamescom we expected things to quieten down, but the opposite has happened and refunds are speeding up still!! Goodness knows what's going to happen after Citizencon but I expect an armageddon.  :supaburn:

and this would jive with the move to EA and a change in TOS  to remove refunds.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 13, 2017, 08:42:11 PM
Based on the total amount taken in by CIG, I don't think the amounts refunded are that significant. Unless of course it totaled 100 million. More significant are the number of accounts that have been refunded. Refunds seem to be on the rise lately(could be wrong)...

There's actually been quite a shocking amount of refunds just in total amounts, we've calculated it's into the multiple millions now, although as you say nowhere near $100 million. But remember CIG is constantly spending cash and even needs bank loans to keep going, so refunds will hurt them a lot like a wounded animal haemorrhaging blood. If they have a negative cash flow it makes the business look terrible to prospective investors or for future loans, it's what kills most businesses.  :black101:

Also on your other point, the number of refunds is also turning exponential and reaching a "critical mass". The main Star Citizen refund subreddit has grown nearly 50% in a couple of months and adding hundreds of people almost every other week now. After Gamescom we expected things to quieten down, but the opposite has happened and refunds are speeding up still!! Goodness knows what's going to happen after Citizencon but I expect an armageddon.  :supaburn:

How many multiple millions and how did you come up with this calculation?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on September 14, 2017, 01:13:17 AM
How many multiple millions and how did you come up with this calculation?

Ever heard of guesstimating? Why don't you ask CIG for the financial numbers? Refunds ought to be one of them. Oh right... you can't because of the TOS changes. :shrug:

You realise that if this information was public it would destroy the project then and there? You don't!?

Each passing day you turn more and more into ConfusedMonkeh/Serendipity. There are 2 possible explanations: you are an alt, or you're turning into a close copy. The latter option is very scary as it means we'll never get a sane SC defender around here. Just driveling fools that demand justification of red flags that are so easily recognizable that you have to be truly antismart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antismart) to miss.

(https://memeguy.com/photos/thumbs/mrw-someone-jumps-over-my-barbed-wire-fence-into-my-property-to-catch-a-snorlax-at-pm-221136.gif)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Moeis on September 14, 2017, 01:41:19 AM
How many multiple millions and how did you come up with this calculation?

Ever heard of guesstimating? Why don't you ask CIG for the financial numbers? Refunds ought to be one of them. Oh right... you can't because of the TOS changes. :shrug:

You realise that if this information was public it would destroy the project then and there? You don't!?

Each passing day you turn more and more into ConfusedMonkeh/Serendipity. There are 2 possible explanations: you are an alt, or you're turning into a close copy. The latter option is very scary as it means we'll never get a sane SC defender around here. Just driveling fools that demand justification of red flags that are so easily recognizable that you have to be truly antismart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antismart) to miss.

(https://memeguy.com/photos/thumbs/mrw-someone-jumps-over-my-barbed-wire-fence-into-my-property-to-catch-a-snorlax-at-pm-221136.gif)

Sheesh you people are obsessed with thinking I might be this serendepity guy.

he said they calculated it, I asked them how they came to this calculation, not exactly the same thing as a guesstimate.  If it was just a guess, then he should have just said they were taking a guess.

Lets see if you have paid attention, what verification have I asked for on red flags?
Cause I really do not think you actually read vast majority of my posts.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on September 14, 2017, 02:03:31 AM
Any calculation done without full financial papers provided by CIG and their shell companies can only be a well-educated guess. It can be inferred by the sum of confirmed and disclosed refund amounts on reddit. This will establish a minimum but the maximum cannot be extrapolated as we don't know how many people refunded in the "dark".

You failed to notice that the last sentence was not about you. It's up to you to stay that way.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on September 14, 2017, 02:53:19 AM
For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles
Out of nerdy interest, which software did you use?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on September 14, 2017, 03:06:43 AM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

And once again someone checked whether the funding tracker decreased… which it did not. So much for that recurring debate – if it doesn’t move to the tune of $45k, then Q.E.D.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 14, 2017, 06:28:42 AM
Three Star Citizen whales (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/) just refunded three Completionist packages (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital) to the tune of $45K :vince:

And once again someone checked whether the funding tracker decreased… which it did not. So much for that recurring debate – if it doesn’t move to the tune of $45k, then Q.E.D.

Yeah, we checked, but we already knew that refunds are never taken into account anyway, so that was no surprise.

The issue here is that, just like a Ponzi scheme, as they're using new money to refund old, eventually it will become unsustainable. And anyone who comes up with math that points to "it's a drop in the bucket compared to how much they've raised", is a fucking moron, because the money raised is being spent. It's not sitting in a bank account.

That's precisely why they're considering changing to Early Access. And that only makes sense in terms of refusing refunds after the fact because even in EA, you still have the various phases of development (alpha, beta, release candidate etc). So the only plausible reason they would have for now going with the EA moniker is to introduce a new ToS which has more stricter terms for refunds. Problem is, if they do that, they run the huge risk of triggering a refund cascade for all but the most devout backers.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 14, 2017, 06:36:24 AM
Each passing day you turn more and more into ConfusedMonkeh/Serendipity. There are 2 possible explanations: you are an alt, or you're turning into a close copy. The latter option is very scary as it means we'll never get a sane SC defender around here. Just driveling fools that demand justification of red flags that are so easily recognizable that you have to be truly antismart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=antismart) to miss.

Now you see why I asked him if he was purposefully trying to be obtuse in the E.L.E. thread. (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg4028#msg4028) I meant that as a legitimate question, not an ad hominem.

To me, everyone single one of Moeis's posts smack of willful ignorance, and circular reasoning. He hasn't really engaged in clubbing the strawman yet, so paid troll isn't earning his keep, if that's what he really is. I'm not saying that he is, but in this day and age of the interwebs, that possibility can't be overlooked.

The question still stands Moeis,

(https://i.imgur.com/Y46ikNb.gif)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 14, 2017, 11:38:51 AM
In a move to give voice to abusive Star Citizen backers who shout down dissenters, Spectrum now has a karma system (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/spectrum-0-3-6-release-notes)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 14, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
At least there they made it to build 3.6  :laugh:

You can tweet that. CIG launches Alpha build 3.6 (for their echo chamber Spectrum)  :dance:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 14, 2017, 01:57:36 PM
At least there they made it to build 3.6  :laugh:

You can tweet that. CIG launches Alpha build 3.6 (for their echo chamber Spectrum)  :dance:

Man, you just love to see those /r/ds twerps get all mad and start yelling at me.  :lol: :supaburn:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 14, 2017, 02:14:31 PM
I just don't have Twitter, nor am I going to. And you seem to be doing alright there. Besides, the joke itself is worth it. You can always defend yourself that you sometimes make fun of CIG. It's not all business  :smuggo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 14, 2017, 07:22:32 PM
I remember this $11K refund (https://twitter.com/CrushBoss/status/908496746602311680)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 15, 2017, 08:35:22 AM
LOL!! They made a video.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: VeritasLiberos on September 15, 2017, 05:26:09 PM
LOL!! They made a video.


Look at the downvotes!! :vince: Top comment is someone asking how to get a refund...  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Serendipity on September 16, 2017, 06:00:49 AM
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...

For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:

I'm not Moeis. I have no other alts. The account you banned for being me, wasn't me Derek. However you confirmed that new account was me was bad m'kay.

I am male. I'm firmly in touch with my feminine side and often get called camp or mistaken for being honosexual so, fabulously flawed yet interesting software there. I blame hanging around with girls all the time in high school. I only wanted to get in their pants and it turned me camp. What a world we live in.

Shame he's banned as I was interested in a conversation about this writing style analysis. Sounds fascinating. I'd recommend doing a similar analysis of ConfusedMonkeh and me and then me and Moeis as that should prove us to be different people. I didn't exactly try to hide my posting style when I created this account. Can't be arsed with the effort.

Also Derek, my temporary ban didn't expire until yesterday. You posted that it had expired and I hadn't logged in, being suspicious, but you were wrong.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 16, 2017, 06:07:49 AM
We still think it's him using a VPN. Don't worry, we're still on it. He's going to trip soon enough since there are only so many IP addresses available to VPN hosts, and I already installed server tools for this.

His ISP could just use dynamic IP's, most ISP's in Europe do making it basically impossible to IP ban people...

For shits n' giggles I ran a forensic text analysis against the pages of text on all three profiles; Moeis, Serendipity and ConfusedMonkeh... There's an 87% certainty rating that all 3 are the same person. Good enough for security services to convict terrorists. :cop: Further investigation reveals a similar historical time-of-day posting pattern. Interestingly the software thinks the user is male but with strong feminine traits and isn't very masculine (no joke) :laugh:

I'm not Moeis. I have no other alts. The account you banned for being me, wasn't me Derek. However you confirmed that new account was me was bad m'kay.

I am male. I'm firmly in touch with my feminine side and often get called camp or mistaken for being honosexual so, fabulously flawed yet interesting software there. I blame hanging around with girls all the time in high school. I only wanted to get in their pants and it turned me camp. What a world we live in.

Shame he's banned as I was interested in a conversation about this writing style analysis. Sounds fascinating. I'd recommend doing a similar analysis of ConfusedMonkeh and me and then me and Moeis as that should prove us to be different people. I didn't exactly try to hide my posting style when I created this account. Can't be arsed with the effort.

Also Derek, my temporary ban didn't expire until yesterday. You posted that it had expired and I hadn't logged in, being suspicious, but you were wrong.

uh-huh. OK then. Anyway, enough of that. Let's move on. :smugjones:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 16, 2017, 11:50:08 AM
OK well, it looks like it's time to make this public.

Some of you here already received my PMs from yesterday when VeritasLiberos (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=551) registered here, and on my Discord channel

We knew it's the same guy who faked the $45K refund, because if you look at the Twitter accounts (1 (https://twitter.com/VeritasLiberos/), 2 (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pSpAtki4ylgJ:https://twitter.com/VereEstLiberum+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk)) that were linked in my refund article (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5807/), and which were traced back to the info he provided, he is (again) using the same identifiable username everywhere.

Following my refund article, he appeared on the Discord channel as VeritasLibero, where he was subsequently banned. In discussions with others, we decided to unban him in order to see what he was up to. Both have been banned again of course.

(https://imgur.com/iug71sr.jpg)

Then he registered here as well as VeritasLibero, and I noticed it when I got the email notification. I then sent him a PM asking him to rejoin Discord because he was "accidentally" banned there. He made two posts here (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=551).

(https://imgur.com/erJhGTg.jpg)

So now, he has resurfaced (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/70d0z7/ds_twitter_and_blog_it_was_an_elaborate_hoax_that/dn29s76/?sh=a0f28370&st=J7MROM1S) on, where else, but Shitizen enclave over on /r/ds. Again he's using an alt account (https://www.reddit.com/user/VeritasLiberos) created back on Aug 27th.

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He's gone into full on paranoid mode, it's almost like this $45k refund was a purposeful Derek Smart discrediting scheme. Derek's deleting people left, right and centre from his forums and Discord at the moment, he's running scared.

Here is the truly hilarious part....

Having used two Twitter accounts which were uncovered during our investigation, he changed one of them to have a new image and name. I present:

Thomas Crabtree (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pSpAtki4ylgJ:https://twitter.com/VereEstLiberum+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk) (Google Cache)

(https://imgur.com/FXxAh8F.jpg)

Thomas Williams (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pBnwbMdZBBcJ:https://twitter.com/VeritasLiberos+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) (Google Cache)

(https://imgur.com/fqPsPPT.jpg)

Nick Parsons (https://twitter.com/VeritasLiberos/) (current one)

(https://imgur.com/bPXmZQY.jpg)

UPDATE: Guess where he got (https://www.mongodb.com/startup-accelerator) the new Nick Parsons name and image? Scroll to the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 17, 2017, 06:42:30 AM
OK well, it looks like it's time to make this public.

UPDATE: Guess where he got (https://www.mongodb.com/startup-accelerator) the new Nick Parsons name and image? Scroll to the bottom of the page.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/909411093247877125

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Hey @nickparsons if this is you featured at the bottom of the MongodB page, checkout @VeritasLiberos then read  http://goo.gl/yoqDNy
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 17, 2017, 07:08:30 AM
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 18, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
This is how crazy the Star Citizen fiasco has become. Someone trying to sell their 25 ship (https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/70r0cy/blackmarketstar_citizen_account_25_ships/) "press" account

Meanwhile, this is a real $15K backer looking to liquidate (https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/70nv6q/discuss_rsi_refunds/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 18, 2017, 10:16:24 AM
LOL!! Meanwhile....OPEN QUESTION TO CIG, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OUR $160M? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/70uwb1/open_question_to_cig_what_have_you_done_with_our/)

It's almost as if there's a ToS they can use to take them to arbitration to get answers.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 18, 2017, 10:28:41 AM
Gee! Even game devs are gamers too. Who knew?!?

Senior Gameplay Engineer at Amazon asks for refund (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/70vc55/repost_senior_gameplay_engineer_at_amazon_asks/dn6avng/)

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Wing Commander 1 was the game that inspired me to become a game developer, so this stings hard. :(

Sr Gameplay Engineer at Amazon. ex-Valve, Riot, and Epic (https://twitter.com/Yakaru/status/909673154431217664)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on September 18, 2017, 10:47:15 AM
This is how crazy the Star Citizen fiasco has become.

Whoa, is it just me, or is the refund bandwagon starting to pick up speed now? The number of eyebrow-raising whale refunds in the wake of GC2017 seems to have increased quite a bit lately (not counting the $45k fake of course) – it's almost like if the chickens are finally coming home to roost.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 18, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
I think the cat is out of the bag now. Now the first sheep have crossed the dam so it's easier for the others to come forward too.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 18, 2017, 12:14:09 PM
This is how crazy the Star Citizen fiasco has become.

Whoa, is it just me, or is the refund bandwagon starting to pick up speed now? The number of eyebrow-raising whale refunds in the wake of GC2017 seems to have increased quite a bit lately (not counting the $45k fake of course) – it's almost like if the chickens are finally coming home to roost.

It's been picking up steam. And those are just the ones that we know about. Not everyone is making their refunds public. I personally know a few people who emailed and/or DM me to say thanks for "opening their eyes".

I don't think most of those who remain, have any confidence that 3.0 (or whatever it's called) will change the status quo that the project is FUBAR.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 18, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Meanwhile, over there (where this ass-clown (http://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/comments/105355/Erillion) apparently gets away with everything, and never banned)...

Why Derek Smart is right about Star Citizen - His facts and why SC is likely to fail (http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/468215/why-derek-smart-is-right-about-star-citizen-his-facts-and-why-sc-is-likely-to-fail)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 20, 2017, 06:47:18 AM
The refund cascade continues in full swing. Apparently they're ignoring the high rollers now.

I'm now officialy a retired Space Marshall (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/719vnn/im_now_officialy_a_retired_space_marshall/)

How long to wait for response (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7162we/how_long_to_wait_for_response/)





Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on September 20, 2017, 06:48:33 AM
It will get more interesting once the money for the refunds runs out.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 20, 2017, 04:32:43 PM
This is so sad. Goons made this Twitch.tv channel. And it's the #1 Star Citizen channel now. wow.

https://www.twitch.tv/this_game_is_dead_already

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKNFykFXUAI7Hnp.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 20, 2017, 04:36:44 PM
RIP Star Citizen

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: ecg on September 20, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
RIP Star Citizen

LMAO!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on September 21, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
RIP Star Citizen

Not knowing the lyrics, I got to the line "Because a vision softly creeping" and I thought the goons had changed the lyrics and sung it themselves.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 21, 2017, 05:17:51 AM
Yeah, it was hilarious last night. I was on that Twitch channel for sometime, and there were dozens of people there. Shitizens were so pissed, they created a Reddit thread on /r/ds

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 21, 2017, 05:20:25 AM
If you can't stand the heat, stay away from the supernova  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 21, 2017, 08:08:04 AM
So I was going to write a musing article about how those abusive ass-clowns over on /r/ds and who have been engaged in targeted harassment (1 (http://archive.is/5ZA1Y), 2 (http://archive.is/zZSh8)), treated the Amazon dev who Tweeted (not as a dev, but as a gamer - on her own Twitter account) about her refund. But I refrained from doing that because I didn't want to prolong the fiasco, nor continue to give those guys a reason to keep harassing and attacking her.

(https://i.imgur.com/JzG2f6v.jpg)

There was even a White Nationalist Shitizen in there have a go at her (https://twitter.com/ImHunted34/status/909900716482981888).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKHI51DWAAA_Akg.jpg)

The issue here is that, they decided to attack this person - like they do all backers who eject - because 1) she dared to refund 2) she works for Amazon as a dev (those clods seem to think she has anything to do with Star Citizen's use of LumberYard) and somehow that sort of was a slight against the project 3) that she was gender neutral.

Even though they tried very hard to pin this on me and Goons - again - the FACT (which those clowns tend to ignore because it goes against their narrative) is that, she has every right to Tweet as she fits. Why would this person - or anyone - be afraid to talk about Star Citizen and their desire to eject (for whatever reason) from the project? That's part of what they have been doing this whole time; and it's that behavior that has completely destroyed the reputation of the game's community. To the extent that, aside from the diehards still with skin in the game,

This guy, put it mildly yesterday when talking about how white knights have ruined the community.



Then I see this shit on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/70vc55/repost_senior_gameplay_engineer_at_amazon_asks/dn6neyq/).

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/188332576459587584/360229021155328001/beet-shit.jpg)

Below was my first Tweet about this. And it wasn't even a re-tweet. I made a comment, then embedded her tweet. I did this so that it won't end up in HER feed (as re-tweet would). It's not different from any other refund tweet that I've made; except that when I noticed she worked for Amazon as a dev, I decided not to retweet it.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/909832097455632386
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Gee! gamedevs are gamers too. Who knew? https://t.co/IJkqssbrpI

Then I noticed that someone had already created a thread on the refund sub-Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/70vc55/repost_senior_gameplay_engineer_at_amazon_asks/). Which is also perfectly normal.

I made a SINGLE tweet which didn't generate ANY controversy in my feed.

Someone created a SINGLE Reddit thread which generated ALL the controversy which a bunch of /r/ds ass-clowns keep referring to.

And I'm the one who "attempted to weaponize her refund".

I asked Beet twice what he was referring to.

He said:

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She pretty clearly felt that you had weaponized her, dude. Her words. I was trying to outreach, assuming that you were mature enough to understand that occasionally you have to give a little to get a little.

Then posted this as proof:

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You couldn't find her saying she didn't want to be weaponized on twitter huh

https://mobile.twitter.com/Yakaru/status/909838707389210625

Which of course only proves that he lied about it.

I asked him again. He came up with this gem, even as he doubled down

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Man it's almost like you didn't read the Reddit post where she heavily intimated she didn't want a fucking thing to do with you. Honestly man, for a warlord you're insecure as absolute fuck. Either chill out and realize we're all on the same side here or don't, I don't really care.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/70vc55/repost_senior_gameplay_engineer_at_amazon_asks/dn6eqy7/

Which again, doesn't support ANYTHING he claimed. And unknown to him, I had reached out to this person with words of encouragement soon after the whole thing blew up, and they started attacking her for no reason. Since it's not confidential, here is that exchange.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/188332576459587584/360217818979106822/screenshot-2017-09-20_20-16-31-168.jpg)

He's never liked me. And this is the same moron who banned me on SA for doxing because I posted a fucking social media link during our expose (http://www.dereksmart.com/forums/reply/4905) of that Deloria scammer. That was when I was de-modded, and him and Beer4TheBeerGod became mods in my forum there.

This is the sort of thing that was the reason that I banned Beet from the Discord server weeks ago. Only that time, he was doing this on another server, and someone leaked it to us.

So after it was proven that he lied, then doubled down, I simply banned him from my Discord server last night. Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 21, 2017, 04:28:21 PM
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 22, 2017, 07:00:20 AM
$13K refund from a long standing verifiable backer (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/71n781/refund_update/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 23, 2017, 06:18:48 AM
The No Bamboozles Release guy quit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/71vzo4/no_bamboozles_release_forecast_for_september_23rd/)

Vital Stats

- CIG feature complete estimate: Sep 29 (originally Jun 26)
- CIG Evocati "must fix" bugs remain: 7 (26 last week) <--- this is where 19 bugs automagically disappeared (no, they weren't fixed. Read this (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3824#msg3824))
- No Bamboozles feature complete forecast (p50-p75): Oct 4 - 12 (originally Jul 19 - Sep 6)
- Worst-case (p90) feature complete date: October 25th (originally Oct 27)
- Live release date guess: one week after feature complete (Oct 11 - 19; worst case Nov 1)

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I wish SC all the best.

I hope they succeed.

But CIG are showing a remarkable lack of progress, and are still stuck in the pre-Alpha stage of development. By their own timetable, they won't get anywhere near an Alpha state until 4.0...

And there is a lack of direction. CIG are working on adding new ships and characters - but at this stage, the basic game engine still isn't finished, the netcode still isn't done, the flight model needs improving and by adding characters, ships and other assets now, CIG have just doubled or tripled their workload because these assets will - by their own admission - need to be redone.

We all saw the demo at GC17. Those graphics looked years out of date. Granted, the actual worlds looked good but the ships, characters and so on need a complete overhaul.

CIG seem to be working on detail that ultimately does not matter. Creating new tools only pays off if they cut the total development time. There is no point spending five years developing a toolkit that will allow you to create a world or ships in seconds if you could otherwise have written the entire game in three. There is no point spending years developing an AI system that won't be of use within this game. A shopkeeper doesn't need AI to serve you and to be honest, a simple terminal system with robotic handlers is just as convenient, more realistic and easier to program.

I am hoping....really hoping...that despite all my criticism, and that of others...that 3.0 will really truly pay off. That it will reward the patience of the people who have backed this project. I want Star Citizen to succeed. I like the genre. I have ED, I have NMS...I got Elite itself in 1984 on the Speccy. I didn't even mind the lenslok....the game was THAT good.

So I want SC to be out and I want it to meet expectations and promises.

Maybe its because I'm a natural skeptic but I just cannot understand why the backers of Star Citizen seem so blind to its problems. I know they want it...I know **I** want it.

But the development of this game went off track years ago. Chris Roberts got carried away and embraced feature creep and bloat. That was, I think, mistake 1. Mistake 2 was sticking with CryEngine. I can't say if that was a wise choice for the game originally pitched, but I assume that it would have been possible, but I can't see how anyone can think it suited for the game CIG are developing now. I firmly believe that if CIG had taken a year or two to develop their own core engine and netcode, they would currently be much further along in the development of Star Citizen.

As it is, SC has a lot of systems that aren't needed and add little or no value to the game, all while the core foundations - the game engine, the netcode, the flight model - remain unfinished. Meanwhile, CIG seems to be embracing gameplay elements that sound impressive...but ultimately, totally unfun. Do I really need to worry about loading cargo onto a ship? I'm all for realism and I'm all for challenge and I'm all for immersion - but all of that needs to be balanced against the factor that is "fun".
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on September 23, 2017, 07:45:46 AM
He finally realized he has been bamboozled.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on September 23, 2017, 07:55:09 AM
Yes, he woke up recently one morning and realized: It Doesn't Matter Anymore .

I guess his life is super busy now because of the refund process and mails going back and forth to CIG customer service...

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 25, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
*MOVED*

Quote from: Motto
And another one is leaving (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/729x8q/gamescom_2017_bull_sht_this_is_the_first_time_we/)

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He sure got the Cult riled up with that one.  Downvote central.  In the back of their heads, they recognize it's over and they are lashing out with the only method they know.  The implosion is going to be spectacular.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgak2tTUIAAZolH.jpg:large)
I am leaving some replies in R/DerekSmart. You should do that too, it's so much fun. It's just adding insult to injury there now  :D

Quote from: Motto
The level of butt-hurt those guys are going to get when CIG collapses is of a yet unknown scale.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 25, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
Quote
Quote from: Motto
And another one is leaving (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/729x8q/gamescom_2017_bull_sht_this_is_the_first_time_we/)

Yeah, it's a new account, so let's hope it's not another "$45K" incident. But then again there are lots of backers who never had a Reddit account before.

But real or not, it's still hilarious either way if Shitizens continue to troll themselves and create their own FUD.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 25, 2017, 02:14:44 PM
Speaking of Shitizens, this truly is the dumbest thing (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/723y3i/is_there_any_chance_that_star_citizen_will_get_a/dnfzob0/) you will read today. Guaranteed. And for laughs, just take a look at his Reddit posting history and it will all make sense. Completely.

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That instance-switching veiled loading screen POS Elite Dangerous just shrinks planets and stars to tennis ball size to fool you into believing you travel far distances in supercruise. It's nothing but smoke and mirrors because their tech is so dated and lazy, they couldn't do it any other way without spending money on developement.
And I bet they needed that dev money elsewhere: Braben's shareholders, Braben's pool, Braben's dinosaur- and rollercoaster games, Braben's console ports, etc.
TLDR, no we don't want any lazy shit from Elite's game design, the only few good things they took from Chris Robert's game design answers, and implemented them in a half assed way.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 25, 2017, 02:47:03 PM
Now, I just wacked a tennisball and a marble into the sky with a racket. At one point, they both had the same visible size. But when they landed on my head, the marble did hurt way, way more than the tennisbal. Is that because the fidelity of the marble (see-thru glass) was higher than that of the tennisball (yellow no-see thru rubber/felt)? Or was it because I was looking directly into the sun? Is there a Reddit where I can ask that question? Anybody?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 25, 2017, 02:58:55 PM
Meanwhile, over there

good luck to you all, im deleting my account and wont be coming back to this or anything else related to star citizen (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/72fp60/good_luck_to_you_all_im_deleting_my_account_and/)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/166260954412089344/361993632322158612/Screenshot_2017-09-25_at_5.53.07_PM.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: premiumnugz on September 25, 2017, 03:24:00 PM
Yeah, it's a new account, so let's hope it's not another "$45K" incident. But then again there are lots of backers who never had a Reddit account before.

But real or not, it's still hilarious either way if Shitizens continue to troll themselves and create their own FUD.

We could set up a system with trusted mods on the Discord to verify refunds by logging into the Zendesk. Simple enough and completely secure.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 25, 2017, 03:31:56 PM
Meanwhile over on SA (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=476731249#post476731249)

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Here’s a sickening truth. As 3.0 started slipping they added features for a while, to make it make up for the delays. I’ve seen this kind of thing in project management before. Some part of a project slips so you ask for extra time and then the person in charge tries to make that something you can bargain about. Yes, we can put it out later, but we have to add ____ to mollify the publisher (or backers). And they guess that the thing they are adding won’t be that much of an increase, or it’ll affect unrelated parts of the team from the blocker or whatever. And they’re always wrong. Because the slipping happening in the first place means we’re not great at timing out tasks; we would we think we’re better now?

So 3.0 has grown in scope and in importance as a kind of Jesus patch that would fundamentally alter the game. Reward their patience. Backers bought this story and so did we. Backers because they wanted all their pipeline theories to be true. And we did because we keep telling ourselves that 3.0 might be the MVP that would let SC shut down refunds and maybe walk away.

But we’re getting none of that. After delays and delays, dropping the schedule entirely, and then a Burndown process that was horizontal or perhaps even upward trending, CIG have started cutting features from the patch entirely. As far as we can tell, the last two weeks of must fix bug counts dropping off are attributable to the features those bugs are attached to being cut out of the 3.0 patch. Whoever makes the game dev documentaries has Erin Roberts on film for all if us to enjoy as he gives up and asks the team to get the most basic thing out the door. The Jesus patch is long abandoned, and it’s looking more and more like 3.0 will feel like an incremental update accompanied by claims that under the hood it’s revolutionary.

Nearly a year of pain and suffering by the CIG people in the trenches to force out something that’s going to feel and awful lot like a monthly patch.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 27, 2017, 08:22:36 AM

The comments are Golden. I added mine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKwYE9ANwMw&lc=z22kghlbmv2ugvjnwacdp432ospi0e0ksvkyv2eh1rtw03c010c.1506525613887907), something I rarely do on those videos. But he invoked my name. So. :colbert:

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I know that you guys see my face tattooed on the back of your eyelids when you sleep at night, but seriously, is there ANY discussion about Star Citizen without you guys dragging me into it? And why do you guys keep doing this? I am NOT responsible for this train-wreck; you DO know that, right?

Star Citizen is a disastrous mess and an on-going scam. I didn't do that. Chris Roberts did.

And NO backers voted to :

1) change the scope of the game
2) change the premise of the game
3) change the gameplay style of the game

You guys keep parroting that bullshit knowing fully well that it's 100% FALSE.

There was NO vote by backers that arrived at this decision. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.  And I have PROOF.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg2233#msg2233

Chris Roberts changed ALL OF THAT on his own. It was a unanimous decision that he made, and it's that same management style that the famous Jennison letter which I just wrote about yesterday, served to highlight. That was TWO years ago THIS month btw.

http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5840/

As to that 1.8 million backers. First, that's pure and utter rubbish. Last we checked, even with duplicates, refunds (closed accounts) etc, there were barely 500K backers. Even Turbulent confirmed this barely a year ago in a widely publicized interview they did. Care to look that up? Just like how Twitter, Facebook and similar subscription services can claim numbers in ballpark figures, so too does CIG. And we even have analytics.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.0

Right now, as I type this, there is NO player engagement with most of the modules, not even the PU. And yes, we have analytics for that too.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg4486#msg4486

The streamers have all mostly jumped ship, and even they they do stream nowadays, they hardly get a few viewers. And most of those are just Goons trolling them - hard.

You know why ALL of this is happening, apart from the fact that the game is pure shite, the last patch was in April 2017, and the community is mostly TOXIC? Because THERE IS NO GAMEPLAY LOOP. There are so many times you can do the same repetitive bullshit before you start putting salt in your tea, and sniffing glue to maintain your sense of reality.

In 2014 the mantra was to wait for 2.0. Then it came out in Dec 2015, a disaster.

In 2016 the mantra was to wait for 3.0. Then instead of the 3.0 promised, 2.6 came out in Dec 2016, a wet fart.

Now in 2017, it's yeah, this time 3.0 is going to absolutely kill it. Then guess what? By the time the first 3.0 schedule appeared in April 2017, it looked NOTHING like the promised 3.0 from Aug 2016. And then YOU guys keep talking shit about "...but yeah, they are giving us so much more than what they promised in 2016". Which, any gerbil with a neural implant will take one freaking look at the before & after list of 3.0 promises, and go "wtf you talking about, bro?". Yeah, we have that INDISPUTABLE PROOF too.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg4494#msg4494

Just stop it.

If you're going to rave and rant, here's an idea, trying doing it against CIG or Chris Roberts (who btw, doesn't even talk to you plebs who gave him $160M to blow on bullshit under the pretext of making a game). NOTHING is gained by engaging and attacking people who have an opposing opinion on this train-wreck.

The game is FUBAR, and there is NO SAVING IT. This is something you guys have to deal with.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 27, 2017, 02:14:49 PM
Just wait until something called 3.0 drops and they really stop doing refunds. Don't say you weren't warned

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/72uhy2/cig_tries_to_make_refunds_harder/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwovKWXcAA5SN8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Orgetorix on September 27, 2017, 09:57:16 PM

The comments are Golden. I added mine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKwYE9ANwMw&lc=z22kghlbmv2ugvjnwacdp432ospi0e0ksvkyv2eh1rtw03c010c.1506525613887907), something I rarely do on those videos. But he invoked my name. So. :colbert:

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I know that you guys see my face tattooed on the back of your eyelids when you sleep at night, but seriously, is there ANY discussion about Star Citizen without you guys dragging me into it? And why do you guys keep doing this? I am NOT responsible for this train-wreck; you DO know that, right?

Star Citizen is a disastrous mess and an on-going scam. I didn't do that. Chris Roberts did.

And NO backers voted to :

1) change the scope of the game
2) change the premise of the game
3) change the gameplay style of the game

You guys keep parroting that bullshit knowing fully well that it's 100% FALSE.

There was NO vote by backers that arrived at this decision. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.  And I have PROOF.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg2233#msg2233

Chris Roberts changed ALL OF THAT on his own. It was a unanimous decision that he made, and it's that same management style that the famous Jennison letter which I just wrote about yesterday, served to highlight. That was TWO years ago THIS month btw.

http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5840/

As to that 1.8 million backers. First, that's pure and utter rubbish. Last we checked, even with duplicates, refunds (closed accounts) etc, there were barely 500K backers. Even Turbulent confirmed this barely a year ago in a widely publicized interview they did. Care to look that up? Just like how Twitter, Facebook and similar subscription services can claim numbers in ballpark figures, so too does CIG. And we even have analytics.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.0

Right now, as I type this, there is NO player engagement with most of the modules, not even the PU. And yes, we have analytics for that too.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg4486#msg4486

The streamers have all mostly jumped ship, and even they they do stream nowadays, they hardly get a few viewers. And most of those are just Goons trolling them - hard.

You know why ALL of this is happening, apart from the fact that the game is pure shite, the last patch was in April 2017, and the community is mostly TOXIC? Because THERE IS NO GAMEPLAY LOOP. There are so many times you can do the same repetitive bullshit before you start putting salt in your tea, and sniffing glue to maintain your sense of reality.

In 2014 the mantra was to wait for 2.0. Then it came out in Dec 2015, a disaster.

In 2016 the mantra was to wait for 3.0. Then instead of the 3.0 promised, 2.6 came out in Dec 2016, a wet fart.

Now in 2017, it's yeah, this time 3.0 is going to absolutely kill it. Then guess what? By the time the first 3.0 schedule appeared in April 2017, it looked NOTHING like the promised 3.0 from Aug 2016. And then YOU guys keep talking shit about "...but yeah, they are giving us so much more than what they promised in 2016". Which, any gerbil with a neural implant will take one freaking look at the before & after list of 3.0 promises, and go "wtf you talking about, bro?". Yeah, we have that INDISPUTABLE PROOF too.

http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg4494#msg4494

Just stop it.

If you're going to rave and rant, here's an idea, trying doing it against CIG or Chris Roberts (who btw, doesn't even talk to you plebs who gave him $160M to blow on bullshit under the pretext of making a game). NOTHING is gained by engaging and attacking people who have an opposing opinion on this train-wreck.

The game is FUBAR, and there is NO SAVING IT. This is something you guys have to deal with.

 :perfect:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on September 27, 2017, 11:53:06 PM
The No Bamboozles Release guy quit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/71vzo4/no_bamboozles_release_forecast_for_september_23rd/)

Vital Stats

- CIG feature complete estimate: Sep 29 (originally Jun 26)
- CIG Evocati "must fix" bugs remain: 7 (26 last week) <--- this is where 19 bugs automagically disappeared (no, they weren't fixed. Read this (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg3824#msg3824))
- No Bamboozles feature complete forecast (p50-p75): Oct 4 - 12 (originally Jul 19 - Sep 6)
- Worst-case (p90) feature complete date: October 25th (originally Oct 27)
- Live release date guess: one week after feature complete (Oct 11 - 19; worst case Nov 1)

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I wish SC all the best.

I hope they succeed.

But CIG are showing a remarkable lack of progress, and are still stuck in the pre-Alpha stage of development. By their own timetable, they won't get anywhere near an Alpha state until 4.0...

And there is a lack of direction. CIG are working on adding new ships and characters - but at this stage, the basic game engine still isn't finished, the netcode still isn't done, the flight model needs improving and by adding characters, ships and other assets now, CIG have just doubled or tripled their workload because these assets will - by their own admission - need to be redone.

We all saw the demo at GC17. Those graphics looked years out of date. Granted, the actual worlds looked good but the ships, characters and so on need a complete overhaul.

CIG seem to be working on detail that ultimately does not matter. Creating new tools only pays off if they cut the total development time. There is no point spending five years developing a toolkit that will allow you to create a world or ships in seconds if you could otherwise have written the entire game in three. There is no point spending years developing an AI system that won't be of use within this game. A shopkeeper doesn't need AI to serve you and to be honest, a simple terminal system with robotic handlers is just as convenient, more realistic and easier to program.

I am hoping....really hoping...that despite all my criticism, and that of others...that 3.0 will really truly pay off. That it will reward the patience of the people who have backed this project. I want Star Citizen to succeed. I like the genre. I have ED, I have NMS...I got Elite itself in 1984 on the Speccy. I didn't even mind the lenslok....the game was THAT good.

So I want SC to be out and I want it to meet expectations and promises.

Maybe its because I'm a natural skeptic but I just cannot understand why the backers of Star Citizen seem so blind to its problems. I know they want it...I know **I** want it.

But the development of this game went off track years ago. Chris Roberts got carried away and embraced feature creep and bloat. That was, I think, mistake 1. Mistake 2 was sticking with CryEngine. I can't say if that was a wise choice for the game originally pitched, but I assume that it would have been possible, but I can't see how anyone can think it suited for the game CIG are developing now. I firmly believe that if CIG had taken a year or two to develop their own core engine and netcode, they would currently be much further along in the development of Star Citizen.

As it is, SC has a lot of systems that aren't needed and add little or no value to the game, all while the core foundations - the game engine, the netcode, the flight model - remain unfinished. Meanwhile, CIG seems to be embracing gameplay elements that sound impressive...but ultimately, totally unfun. Do I really need to worry about loading cargo onto a ship? I'm all for realism and I'm all for challenge and I'm all for immersion - but all of that needs to be balanced against the factor that is "fun".

Just to clarify things - the quote is from me, and I am not the No Bamboozles guy.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: GaryII on September 28, 2017, 02:34:51 AM

 I know that you guys see my face tattooed on the back of your eyelids when you sleep at night, but seriously, is there ANY discussion about Star Citizen without you guys dragging me into it? And why do you guys keep doing this? I am NOT responsible for this train-wreck; you DO know that, right?

  Some of them will blame you for refunds that started because of you...
  Also CIG lost money from sales that did not happen because you started your crusade against CR..so when SC fails I bet some cultists will blame you not CR...     
   
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on September 28, 2017, 02:55:51 AM
Some of them will blame you for refunds that started because of you...
  Also CIG lost money from sales that did not happen because you started your crusade against CR..so when SC fails I bet some cultists will blame you not CR...   

Most likely.

Personally, I think DS is having an effect, but its overstated. The game is still raising millions every month.

What hurts fundraising and refunds more is...I believe...the lack of progress from CIG and the flawed presentations.

Showing what SHOULD have been a highly polished demo at GC17 was a good move.

IF it had worked perfectly. Or nearly so.

Having it crash...having it highlight the lack of persistence...having them show the sync and lag issues...not showing a full mission loop....that capital ship fight at the end?...the buggy exploding....the aged graphics...the performance issues...and more.

Showing THAT was not a good idea. That demo needed to be polished to within an inch of its life and it needed to work....and that it didn't only reinforced the impression that CIG didn't really care, especially after the delays.

That one event probably had more of an impact on fundraising and refunds than everything Derek Smart has said over two years.  Hes had an impact...but a small one.

That isn't going to stop people scapegoating him.

Personally, I'd say let the people keep pushing their money at CIG. Let them deal with the fallout. But Derek Smart is probably right...given the crowdfunding nature, the fallout from any collapse will be negative for the industry.



Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 28, 2017, 03:23:37 AM
Now how could that be? By own admission of the backer fanbase, Derek Smart is an irrelevant, insignificant, wannabe developer of games that nobody wants to buy or play even if they are given away for free. He's a nobody desperately trying to draw attention to himself and his so-called games by attaching himself to the greatest game developer ever. Now how can a guy as dumb as he singlehandedly be responsible for the crash of a six (seven) year project that has collected over 160 million from backers worldwide? That can't be right. That's way too much credit for that washed-out fossil.

Remember the following: "Happy customers do not ask their money back!" Now that's the second mantra for when CIG has collapsed. The first one being "Derek Smart was right!" of course.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: GaryII on September 28, 2017, 03:39:59 AM
What hurts fundraising and refunds more is...I believe...the lack of progress from CIG and the flawed presentations.

 If there was good progress every year, then today we probably had very playable SC and SQ42 versions to play...
 And instead of writing blogs or getting refunds Derek and many others now would be enjoying the game...       

 I have no idea how much money CR lost because of Derek, but I think its at least several millions...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 28, 2017, 04:29:17 AM
They didn't lose money because of Derek. To state that would mean that Derek actually had something to do with that, and he didn't. Derek has nothing to do with CIG being a train-wreck. He is only documenting it.

They are losing money because they don't deliver. It's that simple.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 28, 2017, 01:59:31 PM
What hurts fundraising and refunds more is...I believe...the lack of progress from CIG and the flawed presentations.

 If there was good progress every year, then today we probably had very playable SC and SQ42 versions to play...
 And instead of writing blogs or getting refunds Derek and many others now would be enjoying the game...       

 I have no idea how much money CR lost because of Derek, but I think its at least several millions...

I would very much like to think that the only effect I have is in my documenting things as I see them.

At the end of the day, much like everything you read online, it's up to you to make your own determination as to the veracity of such opinions. It's no more to say that I had some effect based on my opinion, than to blame a reviewer on Rotten Tomatoes for a movie tanking due to bad reviews. That's why you simply cannot sue people for having an opinion. You CAN sue if you have reason to believe that they have written (libel) or said (slander) something that had a negative effect. Therein lies the rub. As much as I'm sure Chris, Sandi, and Ortwin (my attorney keeps wiping the floor with him) would love to have sued me, they have no leg to stand on because in doing so, they would have to show two simple things 1) that I knowingly made false statements, which they can prove were false 2) that they incurred damages as a result. And of course the Achilles heel there is that it will all go right back to the money; and that's something they're not bloody likely to want to have to deal with in court, due to the ramifications.

Let's not forget that the only reason I even went down this road is when they drew first blood. Then foolishly assumed that I would just lie down and take it.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 28, 2017, 03:22:17 PM
Man, these guys are a few raisins short of a fruitcake.

So another CIG employee announces that he's leaving end of Oct.

https://twitter.com/JoeKinglake/status/913321383521914880

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Its been an exciting venture and it was a tough decision. I can't wait to see where Star Citizen goes in the future. All the best, team <3

https://twitter.com/JoeKinglake/status/913322214493126657

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I'm excited & proud to announce my next venture will be joining the @SumoDigitalLtd team as a Senior Game Designer at the end of next month!

Then comes this...

https://twitter.com/starnivore/status/913396671383523328

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He was a Squadron 42 level designer. His services are no longer needed! You know what that means!

I guess he didn't notice the "tough decision" which implies that he made a decision to quit; and didn't leave because they didn't have work (on SQ42) for him.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on September 28, 2017, 03:29:35 PM
It was a tough decision. Do I stay for a company that will never release anything with that the moronic big boss chief manager and lose every last bit of self esteem I have left, with the big chance that the company will go bust very shortly, or do I start working for a more reliable and stable company where my talent and skills are actually valued? I don't know really. See, there still are some people expecting SQ42. But the again, since we haven't worked on that in two years now, maybe I just should go. Yeah, let's do that.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on September 28, 2017, 03:53:50 PM
It was a tough decision. Do I stay for a company that will never release anything with that the moronic big boss chief manager and lose every last bit of self esteem I have left, with the big chance that the company will go bust very shortly, or do I start working for a more reliable and stable company where my talent and skills are actually valued? I don't know really. See, there still are some people expecting SQ42. But the again, since we haven't worked on that in two years now, maybe I just should go. Yeah, let's do that.

Tough decision I think.  :allears:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 01, 2017, 07:09:49 AM
Meanwhile, over there, you won't believe what they're using as a "coping" method (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73kqad/coping_methods/) for dealing with a game critic.

Yeah, that's not messed up at all. :laffo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on October 02, 2017, 01:15:51 AM
Meanwhile, over there, you won't believe what they're using as a "coping" method (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73kqad/coping_methods/) for dealing with a game critic.

Yeah, that's not messed up at all. :laffo:
True cultists with OCD, vitamin D deficiency and possibly a whole lot of other pathological behavior anomalies caused by spending life in front of a PC in a dark corner of mom's basement, removed from real-world society.

Whenever I read those threads, I'm glad that those maniacs are safely tucked away in their little busy self-referencing game universe, instead of causing havoc and crime on the streets, or eating hikers in the woods.

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Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on October 02, 2017, 03:09:41 AM
I'd prefer they go eating hikers in the wood though, rather than having them on the Internet. Man, I hate hikers.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 02, 2017, 08:19:06 AM
Well, apparently the cycle of attorney-->Reddit-->admin-->mod is in full swing, resulting in yet another policy change (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/73ovik/rules_updated_to_clarify_derailing_and_private/) over at the harassment enclave.

The mods pretending that they give a shit, and aren't part of the problem, is always a hilarious thing to watch. That jester86 mod, who btw along with other mods also part of the /r/starcitizen_trades/, is a hypocritical piece of work. Of course since I'm apparently "hurting" their Grey market, they have every incentive to condone the harassment.

They're their own worst enemy; but wait, judgement day is coming. I told them that I was going to pick one, set an example, then tie CIG to it. As with everything else, they really think I'm joking.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 02, 2017, 08:20:12 AM
 A concierge has refunded. You should read his parting "The Dream Is Dead (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/73qpw3/dream_is_dead_just_refunded_my_concierge_account/)" post.

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TL/DR:
Just got a full refund after 18 days for approximately $2K.

Refund Process:
Very similar to what has been described here lately. I sent an initial refund request via email earlier this month. There were a lot of emails back and forth and I found it slightly absurd how much information they requested to verify my ID, but 18 days later and I had a full refund sent to my PayPal account. The staff that I worked with were polite and other than reminding me of the ramifications of my request, I didn’t feel they were trying to pressure me into keeping my money in the game.

Backstory:
Like many of you, I grew up playing the original Wing Commander and Privateer games. I didn’t know much about what Chris had been up to after about Wing 4, so all I had were good and somewhat nostalgic memories of those early successes. When the initial campaign kicked off in 2012 I was psyched. I had a couple other friends who were just as excited at what was being pitched. Our excitement fed off each other and we all put up decent sized pledges right off the bat. Supporting the great space combat sim comeback was a no-brainer with the likes of Chris and the veteran dev crew that was originally involved.
I remember following things fairly closely in the early days because everything just kept getting bigger and (seemingly) more promising due to how much money was coming in. At the time that seemed like it could only be a good thing. Who wouldn’t want more ships, more star systems, more ways to play the game, yada yada, etc.? And with every new vaguely defined feature, everyone filled-in the blanks and question marks with their own vision of what this dream-game would actually be like. The possibilities seemed endless, and the promises tried to keep up.

I have fond memories of sitting down with my friends and watching those early Around the Verse and 10 With The Chairman videos. Again, it was all too easy to hear Chris describe any number of different features and fill in all the blanks with this idealized version that you wished for it to be. I can’t recall exactly when, but eventually we all started to realize how widespread and dangerous this wish-fulfillment was getting in the community. If I had more time I’d go back and find some of those Chairman videos because it wasn’t too long before they were getting laughably absurd.
Question 7: “If I’m sitting on the space-shitter in my Constellation when I get boarded unexpectedly, will I be able to hit a button in order to pinch it off prematurely so I can defend my ship faster or will I have to wait for the full bowl movement to finish first? Follow-up Question: Will I be able to put experience points into quick-shitting, or will deuces just naturally speed up over time as long as I stay on a regular potty schedule and eat a high fiber diet?
Answer: Well, uhh, errr, we umm, we want to make sure the fidelity is just as precise in this instance as in any other and that everything will be to scale as well, so it will most likely depend on a number of factors, including but not limited to how long it has been since you last duked it out, what your diet has been over a period of time, how many extreme G flight maneuvers you've made lately, and of course if you have chosen to get any shit-mod-bio-implants.
Bottom Line, the whole project is a failure because Chris is a Designer, not a Producer. You certainly need the creative designer type to bring the ideas and give the rest of the team something to shoot for, but you also need the producer to prioritize and basically say "No" a lot in order to actually get a game made. Very few people have the aptitude/skillsets to do both well, which is why most successful large games will have different people filling both of those roles. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like Chris has (and maybe never had) anyone to say "No" to him.

The situation reminds me of George Lucas in the making of the Prequels. Both men had great initial success that granted them massive resources for subsequent projects. By the time George got around to making the prequels, he had so much money and cred in the industry that he could make anything he wanted. But just watch some of the behind the scenes footage from the prequels and you'll see how no one is able to say "no" to him, despite him bringing up one terrible idea after another. Granted, not every idea he had was horrible or else Star Wars wouldn't be the pop culture phenomenon that it is, but no one has good ideas 100% of the time, and Lucas had many more of the terrible sort make it into the prequels because no one was there to say no to them. Well, people were there that could have challenged him, but they didn't, because he was Motherfucking George Lucas dammit, and no one questions G to the L when it comes to Star Wars right?!

Anyway, without a big Dev Studio holding him accountable, all Chris had to do to get more funding was delight the overanxious fans with JPG ships and promises of trivial features that shouldn't even be seriously considered until years after release, if at all. I don't know if anyone ever did/does challenge Chris on some of the crazier stuff he promises, but it certainly doesn't seem to be working if there is.

So, if this game ever is completed in some form or fashion, I'm not hoping for anything more than a Phantom Menace type of let-down. Feels good to be out.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 02, 2017, 09:00:47 AM
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/914882232011108357 (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/914882232011108357)

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BREAKING!! Star Citizen streamer admits making money from game content. I've said this for months now; but they kept denying it. With backer unrest at an all-time high, well, they know any 3.0 going to Evocati, is getting LEAKED IMMEDIATELY.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJQhcwWsAEtaXf.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73t9ha/psa_evocatti_leaks_hurt_content_creators/?st=J8ABEYOM&sh=1cd28875 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73t9ha/psa_evocatti_leaks_hurt_content_creators/?st=J8ABEYOM&sh=1cd28875)

I am well aware of the revenue from streams; but that's NOT what my commentary is about. You would think that it would be fucking obvious, but no. So here we go:

CIG setup a system whereby they segregate backers. Part of that is Evocati where backers, and streamers, gain access to new content before other backers do.

As a result of getting access to that content before backers, said streamers then FINANCIALLY GAIN from it because they stream said content. To wit, in the past, some of them did in fact stream builds ahead of PTU and final release.

It's no different from CIG routinely revealing new material to the media (e.g. GameStar, PC Gamer) ahead of backers knowing anything about that same content. And those mags also benefit from that via their online viewership and print magazine subscriptions.

Streamers, on the other hand, have long held that they don't make any money from the game, that I was full of shit for suggesting that etc. In fact, my INN expose arguably let to the complete collapse of those shills over there.

This comment by AstroPub confirms that, they DO make money from the game. They're not content creators. They're not creating anything. All they're doing is broadcast the game. Yes, of course they can monetize it. But the elephant in the room is that, by merely suggesting that leaks "hurt" them, they admit to having access to exclusive material which they can make money from. Otherwise, how exactly does it hurt them?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 02, 2017, 10:51:31 AM
LOL! Who wants to go tell him?

Average 2.59 Million in Pledges a month.... Is it enough going forward? (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/average-2-59-million-in-pledges-a-month-is-it-enou)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 02, 2017, 01:38:52 PM
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/914882232011108357 (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/914882232011108357)

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BREAKING!! Star Citizen streamer admits making money from game content. I've said this for months now; but they kept denying it. With backer unrest at an all-time high, well, they know any 3.0 going to Evocati, is getting LEAKED IMMEDIATELY.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJQhcwWsAEtaXf.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73t9ha/psa_evocatti_leaks_hurt_content_creators/?st=J8ABEYOM&sh=1cd28875 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73t9ha/psa_evocatti_leaks_hurt_content_creators/?st=J8ABEYOM&sh=1cd28875)

I am well aware of the revenue from streams; but that's NOT what my commentary is about. You would think that it would be fucking obvious, but no. So here we go:

CIG setup a system whereby they segregate backers. Part of that is Evocati where backers, and streamers, gain access to new content before other backers do.

As a result of getting access to that content before backers, said streamers then FINANCIALLY GAIN from it because they stream said content. To wit, in the past, some of them did in fact stream builds ahead of PTU and final release.

It's no different from CIG routinely revealing new material to the media (e.g. GameStar, PC Gamer) ahead of backers knowing anything about that same content. And those mags also benefit from that via their online viewership and print magazine subscriptions.

Streamers, on the other hand, have long held that they don't make any money from the game, that I was full of shit for suggesting that etc. In fact, my INN expose arguably let to the complete collapse of those shills over there.

This comment by AstroPub confirms that, they DO make money from the game. They're not content creators. They're not creating anything. All they're doing is broadcast the game. Yes, of course they can monetize it. But the elephant in the room is that, by merely suggesting that leaks "hurt" them, they admit to having access to exclusive material which they can make money from. Otherwise, how exactly does it hurt them?

So he deleted the above thread. Then created another one. Which is subsequently deleted as well. :laffo:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73v1xh/my_recent_post_made_me_rethink_this_community/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73v1xh/my_recent_post_made_me_rethink_this_community/)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362664170254106624/364495985373872141/Screenshot_2017-10-02_at_3.36.31_PM.png)

Then he deleted it shortly afterwards :grin:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 02, 2017, 02:38:58 PM
MOVED

So, Astopub did a reply on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/73v1xh/my_recent_post_made_me_rethink_this_community/):

I deleted my most recent post because of the pure vile BS that was coming at it from both long term fans and trolls. When both team up on you for a discussion topic it's an odd feeling. Having DS call you a shill and white knights saying you suck for an opinion about a video game has made me rethink participation in the sub. I'm not here to argue my point, as even the people whom I was thinking about told me I was wrong, but to discuss how this community has slipped into pure toxicity. There is no discussion, point counter point or any kind of civil discourse anymore. I won't stop being a fan but thought I might need to explain why I deleted my topic and will no longer be part of this subreddit. Downvoted, hate, call me anything you want here because I am done. Good luck redditors.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on October 02, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
LOL! Who wants to go tell him?

Average 2.59 Million in Pledges a month.... Is it enough going forward? (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/average-2-59-million-in-pledges-a-month-is-it-enou)

Hooooly shit, look at this reply.

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I seriously doubt that the players that are going to play SC in the long run are already here as backers.
We are looking at ~10+ million players in the long run.

The delusion is unbelievable. Black Ops sold ~25 million worldwide and they think a niche space sim could reach close to half that? This is so laughable.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 02, 2017, 05:40:54 PM
And there you have it. Paul was on a CIG broadcast today. Yup. And now they mention plans for an in-game AstroPub. Because yeah, that's totally OK and normal. Not making that up. Here, watch.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on October 02, 2017, 07:16:02 PM
What a dirty bastard he is.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 03, 2017, 05:59:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/AjYhvgw.png)

less revenue opportunity

Wait! There's more.

Listen to these statements (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/179304090?t=11m35s) he made last night. It's amazing. But he's not a Shillizen though.  :smugjones:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 03, 2017, 06:12:38 AM
If you haven't been following the latest OSC vs Shitizens slap fight (https://www.reddit.com/user/oldschoolcmdr/comments/), it's hilarious.

Basically, a few days ago, Reddit admins (we did that btw) got on the case of the /r/ds mods. No doubt warning them about those guys going over the limits and violating Reddit ToS.

So Jester86, the primary and equally toxic mod of a bunch of ass-clowns, updated the Reddit's rules (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/73ovik/rules_updated_to_clarify_derailing_and_private/) - again.

Of course this has all happened before; and this OSC post (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/73ovik/rules_updated_to_clarify_derailing_and_private/dnt42yj/) basically lays it out clearly.

Jester, as usual, went off the rails because, you know, being a Shitizen requires that you keep taking your meds.

Naturally, if they don't get their act in gear, and people start getting sued (regardless of outcome), they're going to play the victim card. At least they can't say they didn't have enough warning.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on October 03, 2017, 08:54:52 AM
Those jokers, by digging their heels in, are begging to be sued.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 03, 2017, 09:45:00 AM
Those jokers, by digging their heels in, are begging to be sued.

All it takes is one. Just wait.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on October 03, 2017, 10:33:16 AM
I just got alerted by PM that all my posts on /r/ds are missing/ not visible/do not show up. Apparently they're modding a bit more and probably my posts need approval or something. I do see a lot (more) of "removed"s too. So all my hard work at defending Derek now will be lost. So nobody can see I was right later on. That's a shame  :cop:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 03, 2017, 10:41:33 AM
I just got alerted by PM that all my posts on /r/ds are missing/ not visible/do not show up. Apparently they're modding a bit more and probably my posts need approval or something. I do see a lot (more) of "removed"s too. So all my hard work at defending Derek now will be lost. So nobody can see I was right later on. That's a shame  :cop:

Yeah, they're big fans of revisionist history over there. But don't worry though, I am sure they will be certain to leave all the toxicity in place.

Those fucking clowns are so getting sued if they don't take down all that defamatory shit as they've been warned to do, time and time again. Just wait.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on October 03, 2017, 10:46:10 AM
So they're taking the right stuff down and keeping the wrong stuff up? Well, that figures I think  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 03, 2017, 12:13:38 PM
Are you sure they're vulnerable to legal action? I've been following the trials and travails of lawsuits filed by a couple of real scumbags, Brett Kimberlin and Bill Schmalfeldt. Kimberlin has been practicing 'brass knuckle reputation management' for a number of years, threatening (and filing) suits against people commenting or writing about him online. Schmalfeldt has done the same. But so far, they've had little luck obtaining judgments against their targets.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 03, 2017, 01:06:02 PM
Are you sure they're vulnerable to legal action? I've been following the trials and travails of lawsuits filed by a couple of real scumbags, Brett Kimberlin and Bill Schmalfeldt. Kimberlin has been practicing 'brass knuckle reputation management' for a number of years, threatening (and filing) suits against people commenting or writing about him online. Schmalfeldt has done the same. But so far, they've had little luck obtaining judgments against their targets.

Defamation cases aren't easy. I've prevailed in two. So I know what is involved, how they play out, what the bar for success is etc.

The problem that most people fail to realize about defamation is that 1) it has to be false; because truth is 99% defense against such a claim 2) it has to be such that a reasonable person would believe it

Libel per se is pretty cut and dry (https://www.lumendatabase.org/topics/8).

Defamation cases against a public figure are even harder because there has to be malicious intent, and/or someone posted (libel) or said (slander) something they knew to be false, but posted/said it anyway. In the case of the above examples, well, there it is.

That's what OSC was explaining to that TheGremlich guy who didn't seem to "get" it. Claiming that me or my company has committed "trade defamation" is false because not only has that not happened, he has no basis for such a claim, as that would be for CIG to make (and they would fail miserably). And we went overboard by stating on Reddit that he has also been reporting that to the FTC (he also posted it on Twitter). He knows it to be false, has no way of proving it to be true, and his Twitter account alone, as well as his Reddit posts, already show an engagement in a pattern of conduct from which a case for "malicious intent" can be made.

Go to www.eff.org and read some of their resources. They are written in plain English that any layman can understand.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 05, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
Mmm. Point made. I may be cynical due to watching those two lowlifes stagger around in court. There's been some countersuits made, but so far the courts seem to regard it as an Internet slapfight gone out of hand (at least from what I've seen).

Still, free speech has won out, and that's a good thing.

Especially when you're trying to let people know about a $160 million scam.  :woof:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 05, 2017, 12:49:18 PM
Yeah, that's going as expected.

Where is the promised SQ42 schedule report? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7474d8/where_is_the_promised_sq42_schedule_report/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 05, 2017, 01:00:22 PM
*MOVED*

Quote from: Motto
Here's a nice one too: Compared to the game now how much will 3.0 add, weapons? More ships? More mechanics? Anything cool? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/749va7/compared_to_the_game_now_how_much_will_30_add/)

My favorite reply: 2.6.3 could be considered a technology demo whereas 3.0 is really the true game foundation.   :dance:

 :lol:

I remember back when 2.0 was the Jesus Patch. Then it was 3.0. Now it looks like it's going to be the Baby Jesus Patch. I can't wait to see the plan for 3.1.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 05, 2017, 01:17:09 PM
So yesterday, the most hilarious thing happened.

CIG, a games company, was caught backing crowd-funded clothing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/749xey/cig_just_backed_their_first_kickstarter_in_over/

https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/cig

(https://i.imgur.com/xNehUpo.png)

They later pulled it after it was posted online.

"CIG are simply looking for new and exciting ways to pull the wool over peoples eyes" - Major Tom  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: FredBloggs on October 05, 2017, 05:13:48 PM
Star Citizen Alpaca's confirmed?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 05, 2017, 06:00:11 PM
Yeah, that went well.

Well its been a strong 4 years of waiting from me (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/74h7q5/well_its_been_a_strong_4_years_of_waiting_from_me/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: David-2 on October 05, 2017, 08:10:31 PM
Yeah, that went well.

Well its been a strong 4 years of waiting from me (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/74h7q5/well_its_been_a_strong_4_years_of_waiting_from_me/)

Already two replies there saying: don't quit now, 4 years = half way done.

Goalposts: Moving.

Again.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Meowz on October 06, 2017, 08:04:33 AM
Lol apparently /r/sc wasn't enough of an echo chamber, safe space for some. They needed to make their own private /r consisting of people who have been properly "vetted" #notacult.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SecretStarCitizen/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 06, 2017, 08:52:09 AM
This is how a Star Citizen reacted to the 3.0 Evocati release. Not a cult though. At all.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on October 06, 2017, 09:06:08 AM
This is how a Star Citizen reacted to the 3.0 Evocati release. Not a cult though. At all.

I'm pretty sure their deity has to be the flying spaghetti monster due to the spaghetti mess the underlying game code must be for it to perform so poorly.

Flying CRobletti Monster?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 06, 2017, 09:30:15 AM
All concierge members will now be in Wave 1 for PTU access after the NDA phase (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/74kg5i/will_leverett_all_concierge_members_will_now_be/dnz4xoq/)

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"Ah right - those unwashed peons who mearly bought a game and were told they could be alpha testers without restrictions - are suddenly told 4 years later - "Fuck off shitcunts you don't belong here with us REAL testers"
Good mentality to have there."

It's almost as if since they started Evocati, I have been saying that it was a bad idea and just used to milk backers for more money. Yup, I did. Back in April 2016, Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event (http://dereksmart.com/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/)

Right now, it's :

Dev -> QA -> Evocati -> Subscribers/Concierge -> PTU -> Live
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 06, 2017, 10:23:15 AM
Meanwhile, over at the Star Citizen Reddit cesspool, they're really mad at me (http://archive.is/l9vis) for 3.0 being a mess. Reported (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/74jdnu/we_dont_do_witchhunts_herethis_isnt_a_hug_box/dnyvcmd/).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLeKFGvXkAEcCjS.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 06, 2017, 12:16:26 PM
So Avacados, without breaking NDA, how is it? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/74pns4/so_avacados_without_breaking_nda_how_is_it/do056ay/?sh=7a5400b5&st=J8G9QRAJ)

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It sucks, I have been playing and FPS is solid 15. All the typical 2.6 bugs are still present. Game is done for.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on October 06, 2017, 01:01:17 PM
Well, this (https://www.reddit.com/user/Moeis1977) is fun reading. Moeis is even more stupid than we thought...

And persistent in the lie that he is not Serendipity. Even there. Because, we might look there? God, what an idiot  :doh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 08, 2017, 07:09:16 AM
Looks like someone found the White Nationalists (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/traditionalist-worker-party) in Star Citizen

(https://i.imgur.com/FSBIOhJ.jpg)

Remember this? Bungie fixing Destiny 2 armor resembling white nationalist symbol (https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/12/16296256/destiny-2-armor-hate-group-symbol-kek-kekistan-flag)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 10, 2017, 05:00:20 AM
What's the deal with bulk accounts being sold? example in post (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7599cm/whats_the_deal_with_bulk_accounts_being_sold/do4csun/)

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A guy i know purchased 12 accounts off ebay. Paid just over 200 dollars for over 800 dollars worth of ships+plus game, all with SQ42.. and then just gifted them all to himself. Accounts came with usernames and passwords. He said there is TONS of them available in a lot of places. How does this even happen?
  :shrug:

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on October 10, 2017, 06:54:09 AM
Well, CIG can create accounts and JPGs out of thin air.  Connect the dots.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 12, 2017, 07:42:08 AM
Oh yeah, this it totally going to go down really well.

(https://imgur.com/JJTXXq4.jpg)

My comment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPKpBCNcls&lc=z23pf5ag4nrejd1wz04t1aokgk2o4k3ull4yhqhyvmogrk0h00410).

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On the "left": The guys on /r/starcitizen_refunds/ dedicated to exposing Star Citizen as a SCAM, and helping backers get refunds. And no, not all of them are Goons.

On the "alt-off-right": The guys on /r/ds parked on a hate sub Reddit for targeted harassment against an individual saying bad stuff about a video game, while waging an Internet wide war against dissenting opinions on Star Citizen. The guys who see Derek Smart everywhere, and who can't stand the fact that the train-wreck they backed, and which - even as I type this - is coming to its explosive end - could possibly be a SCAM.

That said, as to your "tease" video, and opening description...

You do realize this is bullshit, right? And it's going to be just another fuel for discourse? Let me explain my POV.

"Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"

If the above excerpt is in fact the sentiment expressed in that interview, then one thing is certain - it's only going to get worse.

People need to take responsibility for their actions. She Tweeted that she got a refund - as is her right. Then the "alt-off-right" got wind of it from my Twitter feed (they stalk it 24-7), created a Reddit thread out it etc. As did the other guys on the refunds sub, which is actually the correct place where it would be.

THEN, as if the Twitter nonsense wasn't bad enough, she decided to walk right up to the edge of the cliff, then walked off it, by going to Reddit to "explain" herself. As if she needed any justification or explanation on how she spends her money, why she got a refund etc.

This person (posted on a hate Reddit) below actually made a very good point. That was back when they had the conspiracy theory that the other side had anything to do with her story. We didn't.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/70wl5h/derek_smart_on_twitter_gee_gamedevs_are_gamers/dn6ertz/

The fact that her Twitter profile (https://twitter.com/Yakaru) indicated that she works for Amazon (games, but not Lumberyard), should have been a clue that she was stepping off a cliff, and about to drop into a minefield.

Then she did. And the rest is history.

The other side didn't use her as propaganda at all, and no more than ALL the other refund posts in that sub Reddit. In fact, last I checked, there wasn't a SINGLE post about her refund and how her dev role gave any credibility to it. Personally, as most people know, I have LOTS of industry people in my social media feed, especially on Facebook - and most of them were Star Citizen backers who got a refund without making a big deal out of it. In fact, until her fiasco, I'm still the only industry person whose forced refund ever went public. But that's ONLY because CIG, in their infinite wisdom, decided to issue a FALSE press statement to PC Gamer, and made a big deal out of it because of who I was, and because they saw me as a threat. You all can thank Ben Lesnick (yeah shocking, I know) for that one, as he was a proponent of that dumb and disastrous decision. I've been on their case since. I actually just covered this in my latest blog (http://dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/)

I personally had several Twitter DM exchanges with her, in which I even advised her NOT to delete her Tweets, as she was planning to do because of the harassment that those guys were levying against her. Funny story: I know people she has worked with; and when one of them reached out to me - after seeing the discussion in my feed - that was the ONLY reason why she and I even had a Twitter DM exchange. It is, after all, a very small industry.

This bullshit has NOTHING to do with Star Citizen. She was a backer. Until she wasn't. End of story. There is no story here, aside from the impending noise that whatever it is you are about to air, goes live. Then we're back where we started. To what end? What is there to be gained?

Hey, as I said, people have to take responsibility for their actions. At least, like she voluntarily made her refund public, doing an interview - regardless of merit or discourse - is her decision to make. Most of us are just in this Star Citizen fiasco for the lols.

Bring it.

And furthermore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPKpBCNcls&lc=z23pf5ag4nrejd1wz04t1aokgk2o4k3ull4yhqhyvmogrk0h00410.1507844857018891)

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Hey, it's your show, you can do what you want. Though I feel as if you didn't quite "get" what I was actually talking about.

The point that I was making has absolutely nothing to do with "defending" oneself. In fact, I quoted the part that you have in your descriptor. Here, so you don't have to scroll, I will copy and paste it again.

"So, the long and short, after Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"

I found it to be inflammatory (trust me, I know all about that) and sets the wrong tone for whatever it is you're going to be broadcast. You immediately made it about "two sides", this despite the fact it had nothing to do with that all.

I am commenting on this because clearly you have NO idea how this whole thing even blew up. The short version:

1) She Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/Yakaru/status/909673154431217664

2) Someone posted it in my Discord channel

3) I Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/909832097455632386

4) The denizens of the /r/ds hate-Red, saw it. And just like they do with everything in my feed, they created an attack thread out of it, and proceeded to attack me and her. The same way they attack anyone who refunds from the project - even you (as you well know)

5) Goons got involved by creating their own thread (since it's about refunds) https://goo.gl/uLY75J

6) For whatever reason, she shows up on Reddit, to engage posters and "defend/explain" herself

7) As things got heated, both in her Twitter feed and on Reddit, she said she was going to delete her Tweet etc

8) During all that, both in my public Tweets and in our private exchange, I told her to just ignore them and to not respond

- The End.

So how exactly did I or even that one side (the "refunds" sub) use this for "propaganda"? The evidence is there that the only people who attacked and/or derided her, are the same toxic clowns parked on a hate-Red doing what they do 24-7 because you know, any dissenting opinion about Star Citizen is either Derek Smart, an alt, or someone who has betrayed the cult.

And guess what, as if that wasn't bad enough, your teaser descriptor "Star Citizen - The Yakaru Interview, A Look Inside CIG and SC" now has those same clowns making posts alluding to the fact that she worked for CIG on the side, didn't take a job there, has inner workings of the company etc. You know, ALL the things she would be STUPID to even comment on publicly IF in fact she decides to talk about ANY of that with you - or anyone for that matter. How exactly do you think she's going to give you a "look inside CIG and SC" without either breaching an NDA, or sending out a message to potential employers that she can't be trusted to keep company information secret? You know, the sort of thing that NDAs are designed for. And even IF she doesn't have an NDA, it's basically CAREER SUICIDE if she tells you ANYTHING (good, bad, or ugly) - on the record - about the inner workings of the company. And you would be complicit in that if you aired it.

I have to believe that you're better than this, and smart enough to fully research something like this before embarking on commentary that is not only inflammatory, but which also serves to skew the events as they unfolded.

Finally, the ONLY reason I am even responding is because, again, your teaser video appeared in my Discord channel. And since I was the one who did the original Tweet, I felt that I had to explain how it happened because clearly your version of the facts is tainted, and only serves to promote further discourse, rather than address anything. As if the few hundred people who are likely to see the stream, are somehow going to have a different opinion of what happened, let alone get a grip on what actually happened almost a MONTH ago, Sept 18th.

I'm going to have to write a blog now, aren't I?

UPDATE: He took down the video. I had it in my cache. So I have replaced the link with an image of it because I want to preserve his description of the video.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 12, 2017, 10:33:39 AM
Apparently Evocati are running their own anti-FUD campaign now.

It all reads like a load of horseshit to me.

http://dumptext.com/07N8rKG7
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 13, 2017, 08:59:17 AM
Oh yeah, this it totally going to go down really well.

(https://imgur.com/JJTXXq4.jpg)

My comment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPKpBCNcls&lc=z23pf5ag4nrejd1wz04t1aokgk2o4k3ull4yhqhyvmogrk0h00410).

Quote
On the "left": The guys on /r/starcitizen_refunds/ dedicated to exposing Star Citizen as a SCAM, and helping backers get refunds. And no, not all of them are Goons.

On the "alt-off-right": The guys on /r/ds parked on a hate sub Reddit for targeted harassment against an individual saying bad stuff about a video game, while waging an Internet wide war against dissenting opinions on Star Citizen. The guys who see Derek Smart everywhere, and who can't stand the fact that the train-wreck they backed, and which - even as I type this - is coming to its explosive end - could possibly be a SCAM.

That said, as to your "tease" video, and opening description...

You do realize this is bullshit, right? And it's going to be just another fuel for discourse? Let me explain my POV.

"Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"

If the above excerpt is in fact the sentiment expressed in that interview, then one thing is certain - it's only going to get worse.

People need to take responsibility for their actions. She Tweeted that she got a refund - as is her right. Then the "alt-off-right" got wind of it from my Twitter feed (they stalk it 24-7), created a Reddit thread out it etc. As did the other guys on the refunds sub, which is actually the correct place where it would be.

THEN, as if the Twitter nonsense wasn't bad enough, she decided to walk right up to the edge of the cliff, then walked off it, by going to Reddit to "explain" herself. As if she needed any justification or explanation on how she spends her money, why she got a refund etc.

This person (posted on a hate Reddit) below actually made a very good point. That was back when they had the conspiracy theory that the other side had anything to do with her story. We didn't.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/70wl5h/derek_smart_on_twitter_gee_gamedevs_are_gamers/dn6ertz/

The fact that her Twitter profile (https://twitter.com/Yakaru) indicated that she works for Amazon (games, but not Lumberyard), should have been a clue that she was stepping off a cliff, and about to drop into a minefield.

Then she did. And the rest is history.

The other side didn't use her as propaganda at all, and no more than ALL the other refund posts in that sub Reddit. In fact, last I checked, there wasn't a SINGLE post about her refund and how her dev role gave any credibility to it. Personally, as most people know, I have LOTS of industry people in my social media feed, especially on Facebook - and most of them were Star Citizen backers who got a refund without making a big deal out of it. In fact, until her fiasco, I'm still the only industry person whose forced refund ever went public. But that's ONLY because CIG, in their infinite wisdom, decided to issue a FALSE press statement to PC Gamer, and made a big deal out of it because of who I was, and because they saw me as a threat. You all can thank Ben Lesnick (yeah shocking, I know) for that one, as he was a proponent of that dumb and disastrous decision. I've been on their case since. I actually just covered this in my latest blog (http://dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/)

I personally had several Twitter DM exchanges with her, in which I even advised her NOT to delete her Tweets, as she was planning to do because of the harassment that those guys were levying against her. Funny story: I know people she has worked with; and when one of them reached out to me - after seeing the discussion in my feed - that was the ONLY reason why she and I even had a Twitter DM exchange. It is, after all, a very small industry.

This bullshit has NOTHING to do with Star Citizen. She was a backer. Until she wasn't. End of story. There is no story here, aside from the impending noise that whatever it is you are about to air, goes live. Then we're back where we started. To what end? What is there to be gained?

Hey, as I said, people have to take responsibility for their actions. At least, like she voluntarily made her refund public, doing an interview - regardless of merit or discourse - is her decision to make. Most of us are just in this Star Citizen fiasco for the lols.

Bring it.

And furthermore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPKpBCNcls&lc=z23pf5ag4nrejd1wz04t1aokgk2o4k3ull4yhqhyvmogrk0h00410.1507844857018891)

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Hey, it's your show, you can do what you want. Though I feel as if you didn't quite "get" what I was actually talking about.

The point that I was making has absolutely nothing to do with "defending" oneself. In fact, I quoted the part that you have in your descriptor. Here, so you don't have to scroll, I will copy and paste it again.

"So, the long and short, after Her twitter post was blown up into a propaganda piece by one side and she was attacked by the other side"

I found it to be inflammatory (trust me, I know all about that) and sets the wrong tone for whatever it is you're going to be broadcast. You immediately made it about "two sides", this despite the fact it had nothing to do with that all.

I am commenting on this because clearly you have NO idea how this whole thing even blew up. The short version:

1) She Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/Yakaru/status/909673154431217664

2) Someone posted it in my Discord channel

3) I Tweeted this: https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/909832097455632386

4) The denizens of the /r/ds hate-Red, saw it. And just like they do with everything in my feed, they created an attack thread out of it, and proceeded to attack me and her. The same way they attack anyone who refunds from the project - even you (as you well know)

5) Goons got involved by creating their own thread (since it's about refunds) https://goo.gl/uLY75J

6) For whatever reason, she shows up on Reddit, to engage posters and "defend/explain" herself

7) As things got heated, both in her Twitter feed and on Reddit, she said she was going to delete her Tweet etc

8) During all that, both in my public Tweets and in our private exchange, I told her to just ignore them and to not respond

- The End.

So how exactly did I or even that one side (the "refunds" sub) use this for "propaganda"? The evidence is there that the only people who attacked and/or derided her, are the same toxic clowns parked on a hate-Red doing what they do 24-7 because you know, any dissenting opinion about Star Citizen is either Derek Smart, an alt, or someone who has betrayed the cult.

And guess what, as if that wasn't bad enough, your teaser descriptor "Star Citizen - The Yakaru Interview, A Look Inside CIG and SC" now has those same clowns making posts alluding to the fact that she worked for CIG on the side, didn't take a job there, has inner workings of the company etc. You know, ALL the things she would be STUPID to even comment on publicly IF in fact she decides to talk about ANY of that with you - or anyone for that matter. How exactly do you think she's going to give you a "look inside CIG and SC" without either breaching an NDA, or sending out a message to potential employers that she can't be trusted to keep company information secret? You know, the sort of thing that NDAs are designed for. And even IF she doesn't have an NDA, it's basically CAREER SUICIDE if she tells you ANYTHING (good, bad, or ugly) - on the record - about the inner workings of the company. And you would be complicit in that if you aired it.

I have to believe that you're better than this, and smart enough to fully research something like this before embarking on commentary that is not only inflammatory, but which also serves to skew the events as they unfolded.

Finally, the ONLY reason I am even responding is because, again, your teaser video appeared in my Discord channel. And since I was the one who did the original Tweet, I felt that I had to explain how it happened because clearly your version of the facts is tainted, and only serves to promote further discourse, rather than address anything. As if the few hundred people who are likely to see the stream, are somehow going to have a different opinion of what happened, let alone get a grip on what actually happened almost a MONTH ago, Sept 18th.

I'm going to have to write a blog now, aren't I?

UPDATE: He took down the video. I had it in my cache. So I have replaced the link with an image of it because I want to preserve his description of the video.

(https://imgur.com/XZlD6E6.jpg)

He has posted another video. I left him a comment which he has now removed. Shocking.

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This is bullshit. And you're a coward. And a fool.

This is precisely why you don't send a boy to do a man's job. If you can't stand the heat, don't go into the kitchen. In fact, stay out of the house!

First, you've already refunded (as you have claimed), but somehow, despite the fact that you have NOTHING invested (unlike me who is unequivocally out to put people in jail over this scam), you continue to make these videos which serve NO purpose other than to paint a giant "LOOK AT ME!!" bullseye on your ass.

Now, in what is the dumbest move to date, you squandered and completely KILLED all the goodwill and credibility you once had via those videos for drama. But when you consider that only a complete FOOL would spend $7K on a video game, it all kinda makes sense that you're probably a few berries short of a blueberry pie.

As if that wasn't bad enough, somehow you thought it was a brilliant idea to reach out to someone who, attention seeking aside, stands to lose more than you, if they went on the record about ANYTHING related to Star Citizen and/or CIG.

Then, you decided to create a teaser announcement video about it, complete with drama seeking inflammatory rhetoric. Which, now that I think about it, was probably a good move because, my comments (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg4927#msg4927) - preserved because somehow I figured that you would kill that video - aside, I'm quite sure that it didn't generate the sort of responses you were hoping for. You certainly didn't count on me dropping truth bombs in your feed.

Now that it has dawned on you - and her - that this was a DUMB thing to do, instead of just pulling the video and letting the whole thing die, you come up with yet more bullshit to justify your own blatant stupidity.

No, the video didn't "destroy the intent, and made it the source of drama". YOU made this whole thing the source of drama. And the fact that she was dumb enough to agree to do this, puts you and her in the same boat, up shit creek, in a boat with holes, and  without a paddle.

While I'm at it, please explain to me at which point did it dawn on you that "making another video which could be twisted to fit an agenda" would bother you? What? There was a power outage or short circuit in both your brains during the discussion about doing this interview? Or was it during the interview itself? All those email exchanges that you and her had, leading to setting up the time, doing the interview, you post-processing it etc, there was never a point where it occurred to you that the power was probably out upstairs, and that you two inconsequential tools were about to step into a HIGHLY POLARIZED minefield of epic proportions? And that it was going to end up hurting one person (her) more than the other (you).

Aside from the fact that, without my permission, she shared privileged communications that I had with her, and which YOU made public in that video's comment, until I asked you to remove it. But I will deal with both of you later on that. The point is, God only knows what other privileged communication she may have shared with you. Either from her job at Amazon Game Studios which may have made her privy to that studios involvement with CIG and indeed the Star Citizen project, or during her short time work with CIG. BOTH of which I am quite certain are protected by NDA in some form. I mention this because the description ("Star Citizen - The Yakaru Interview, A Look Inside CIG and SC") for your video was highly suspicious, inflammatory, and gave the impression that she had decided to go full Leroy Jenkins with inside info on Star Citizen and CIG. Which was the point of my comments to you.

No, we don't know that the video had "...easily verifiable statements or facts out of context to fit a preconceived narrative" because it NEVER aired. What on Earth are you going on about? You know that's not how that works, right? Aside from that, how does a statement of fact, or easily verifiable information, get around the provisions of an NDA, let alone the inherent risks to her employment? Tip: Just because it's true and/or verifiable, doesn't mean it's OK to share on the record, and without permission. There is a reason why, time and time again, courts have upheld NDA decisions. The latest being the crippling fines imposed on parties who were found to have breached an NDA as per Zenimax v Oculus. Sure, people breach them all the time - just don't get caught. That's what leaks are about.

And don't thank me for being in your channel, or being the cause of you not continuing to deride CIG over a train wreck. I only came here when I got wind of the fact that YOU had decided to jump feet first into drama that you CLEARLY didn't have first hand knowledge of, and in which I was involved.

Annoyance aside, while I have to believe that your intentions were noble, the fact remains that you clearly don't know what it means to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for one's actions. The mark of a leader and/or a decent person, is to take responsibility for actions and words, while NOT making excuses or blaming other people for one's own follies. You did that in your comments in that video. You did that in the description of the video. And here - again - you're doing the SAME thing in the very video in which you're proclaiming: "Hey guyz! I screwed up! It must have been the cold medicine". You couldn't just OWN the shit that YOU started, you had to wave it off on third-parties who had NO hand in it - at all.

Own this shit, and take it LIKE A MAN! It's all on you.

ps: I know you have friends in Evocati,  so you already know - without a doubt - that 3.0 is a pure and utter disaster. Maybe your time is better spent spreading the word so the fools who are still funding Chris Roberts' Golden parachute, know what's coming. That's worthy of your time, not all this other crap.

UPDATE: He called me a cuck, then hid my comments  :vince:

(https://imgur.com/bpTnIoG.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on October 13, 2017, 09:19:28 AM
He took the first video down?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Resin on October 13, 2017, 09:58:34 AM
 What? Because of Youtube video comments?
 


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Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on October 13, 2017, 10:08:03 AM
What? Because of Youtube video comments?

I love the way FailureToReport blames Derek simply because he made a comment pointing out that doing an interview was just going to cause arguments.

Poor guy gets blamed for everything.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on October 13, 2017, 10:39:16 AM
Apparently Evocati are running their own anti-FUD campaign now.

It all reads like a load of horseshit to me.

http://dumptext.com/07N8rKG7

Eh, if that's ANTI I don't think it's doing a very good job of it. Makes 3.0 sound like a pile of crap to be honest.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 17, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
Holy Crap these guys are seriously mad at me over a video game. FF to 59:55

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: David-2 on October 17, 2017, 07:37:49 PM
FF to 59:55.

I only watched a minute of the clip - and have never seen this podcast before - but judging by the title it seems to be dedicated to Star Citizen.  Can that be right?  It is 200 minutes long!  Nearly 3.5 hours!  Is it all about Star Citizen?

If so, all I can say is:  These sad boys don't have lives!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on October 18, 2017, 12:05:16 AM
FF to 59:55.

I only watched a minute of the clip - and have never seen this podcast before - but judging by the title it seems to be dedicated to Star Citizen.  Can that be right?  It is 200 minutes long!  Nearly 3.5 hours!  Is it all about Star Citizen?

If so, all I can say is:  These sad boys don't have lives!

That clip is hilarious.

But, yes, there are loads of dull discussion videos on Youtube about Star Citizen. The problem Chris Roberts has is that he's created a hype train, even greater that NMS, where he has promised the world to the fans (quite literally, they're still on about procedurally generated cities on planets). We're in the situation where the scope of SC is so huge, everyone just imagines what they'd want to do in their perfect space sim and when they check the list of features then inevitably parts of that dream are on the list. Which is why you can have 3hr discussion videos all about the non existent game mechanics, lore and development - all dreaming about what the game could be like. The problem is that, if it is made, it will NEVER live up to any of these over hyped expectations, which is why CRoberts says it will always be in development. The promised features will always be added in a future patch, and if you just buy some more ships then they can make it better, always in the future, always just out of reach, but doing enough to make the whales think that it will work out in the end. That strategy has worked for CRoberts for years now, the only way the whales might lose faith is if they realise that CIG can't make even a limited 3.0 patch work. CitizenCon will be interesting this year.

 
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on October 18, 2017, 04:28:14 AM
Shitizen Con will be the second nail in the coffin after GC17. They already got the word out "Nothing on SQ42" so that's a major setback/disappointment for a lot of backers. Adding to that the fiasco that CG17 was (nail number 1) and the fact that 3.0 isn't the glorious "now we are finally done polishing so you can have the best game experience EVER" patch that also isn't released yet to the masses, Shitizen Con '17 will not bring much to the table. Except things to sell of course. And then it's just waiting for the Holiday Event where they will have to show something about SQ42 that will be picked apart very shortly to something that's as far from the true state as SC is for being ready for public release. Nail number 3. Nail number 4 are the rapidly dwindling numbers of sales and increasing refund requests. Nail number 5 will be the difficulties paying back the loan(s) / getting the tax benefits. All the above will lead to CIG having to downsize drastically which will lead to uproar and massive bailouts and that'll be the final nail number 6. Game Over. Do not pass Start but go directly to Jail.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 18, 2017, 06:16:25 PM
It's going to be a complete shit-show. I can't wait. I hope they have 3.0 there for people to play. Though being on a LAN, the experience will of course be totally different.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on October 18, 2017, 06:19:07 PM
Our countdown for Shitizen Con has more hype and expectation in it than the one of the fanbois  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on October 18, 2017, 06:19:56 PM
These sad boys don't have lives!
They get paid for it. So they have a life.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on October 19, 2017, 01:45:00 AM
It's going to be a complete shit-show. I can't wait. I hope they have 3.0 there for people to play. Though being on a LAN, the experience will of course be totally different.

Being on a LAN didn't seem to give much help at GC17
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 19, 2017, 06:36:45 AM
It's going to be a complete shit-show. I can't wait. I hope they have 3.0 there for people to play. Though being on a LAN, the experience will of course be totally different.

Being on a LAN didn't seem to give much help at GC17

Yeah, but imagine how much more of a shit-show it would have been. Considering the current state of Evocati 3.0, do you think it was that much better back in Aug?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: premiumnugz on October 20, 2017, 10:15:00 AM
Yeah, but imagine how much more of a shit-show it would have been. Considering the current state of Evocati 3.0, do you think it was that much better back in Aug?

I would like to know what state it was last October 2016 when Chris said it would be coming out before Christmas that year  :psyduck: :bahgawd:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on October 20, 2017, 10:17:50 AM
Nah, I'd just settle for the 3.0 build that Gamestar totally played.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 20, 2017, 02:40:42 PM
We get these epic self-owns once in awhile. But when it's done by a Reddit mod, it's even more hilarious.

Short version.

1) OSC (the bane of Shitizens everywhere, who showed up this past Summer (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/68neg4/potential_backer_with_questions/)) created this thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/77bv0x/where_to_file_a_refund_complaint_against_roberts/

2) Jester86, the ever so hapless mod of the devils ass crack that is the /r/ds hate Sub, decided to post this gem. This is the unedited version btw.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMluIndW4AEFMAU.jpg:large)

3) Then he came up with this brilliant post about how asking for a refund is not only illegal, but also it is illegal for OSC to create a thread showing people how to do it. I kid you not. To which OSC responded.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/77ii0l/derek_on_twitter_things_are_getting_serious_over/don0127/

4) Then, after HE reported the post and it wasn't showing in his feed as a result, he somehow thought that it was removed by Reddit admins or the BeetWagon on of the mods (who latest claimed he knew nothing about it - at all) of the /r/starcitizen_refunds. He somehow tried to pass that off as him being right.

(https://i.imgur.com/VJRGmvB.png)

5) Except he wasn't. So he edited the original post.

(https://i.imgur.com/qs1anHF.jpg)

6) After OSC got wind of it, man I could feel the burn from down here in Florida

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/77bv0x/where_to_file_a_refund_complaint_against_roberts/don8l78/

This shit never gets boring.

(https://i.imgur.com/NitdVkL.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 21, 2017, 04:34:13 AM
Meanwhile, over on Facebook page. So much negativity (https://www.facebook.com/RobertsSpaceIndustries/photos/a.430328133675881.95170.426976044011090/1648678525174163/?type=3&theater).
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 21, 2017, 04:56:48 AM
So they had this "panel" at TwitchCon

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/183740101?t=01h59m40s

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMnOYn-VAAAPTnG.jpg)

L-R a shill without an audience (Bad News Baron), an untalented ex-hobo (Huckabee, CIG), a real gamedev (Ed Lewis, Frontier), a homophobic anti-semetic moron (Lesnick, CIG), a real gamer (Manley)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 21, 2017, 06:40:27 AM
2 yrs ago this month. Never forget. #dereksmartwasright

FF to @ 5:00



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMqmWXNX0AAE_4U.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on October 21, 2017, 06:45:04 PM
https://np.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/77ku2n/the_co_pioneer_will_go_on_sale_oct_27th_and_cost/

On the latest JPEG retailing at $850
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But it keeps the cash flowing in, provides incentive for the community to support, encourages hype, and diversifies the player base before launch.

12 people in an instance, 10 FPS and constant game crashes will diversify a player base..
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 21, 2017, 06:46:30 PM
https://np.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/77ku2n/the_co_pioneer_will_go_on_sale_oct_27th_and_cost/

On the latest JPEG retailing at $850
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But it keeps the cash flowing in, provides incentive for the community to support, encourages hype, and diversifies the player base before launch.

12 people in an instance, 10 FPS and constant game crashes will diversify a player base..

Yeah it would. It spreads them all across different instances of no more than 4 at a time. Works fine if you ask me. :colbert:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 27, 2017, 08:21:08 AM
Meanwhile, the ship matrix (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/ship-matrix) went live.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/792rm6/the_outrage_over_the_new_ship_matrix_reveals_what/

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A cursory look at the official forums and r/starcitizen will show that a lot of backers are outraged over the perceived nerfs to their stable of ships, which confirms the egregious state of the game and how unprecedently, and indefensibly p2w this game has become.
The most common defense against the assertation that Star Citizen is a calamitous p2w fiasco is that the action of spending hundreds (if not many thousands of dollars) on ships is NOT to gain a competitive advantage over other players but to fund the development of the game. But then if this were the case why would anyone care about their ships being nerfed? Surely spending that $850 (or insert another preposterous number) was to contribute to the cause NOT to acquire a massive advantage over players who haven't, right? Yeah of course it fucking wasn't. Don't pretend that transaction was in any shape or form well-intentioned.
Whatever little hopes I have of this game ever releasing are constantly poisoned by the realization that there are other players who have spent tens of thousands of dollars with the sole intention of acquiring such an enormous advantage over me that I could never compete, unless I sunk the same amount or another preposterous amount of game-time - I say this because there is no way CiG would ever make any of these ships easily obtainable due to the inevitable outrage from the whales.
Furthermore, the idea that people are more outraged over numbers on a web page than they are over the fact that some of these ships they're complaining about aren't even in the game, years after they bought them.
Please don't feel i'm directing this at you good folks, I've been banned from r/starcitizen so I guess preaching to the choir will do.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on October 28, 2017, 11:16:47 AM
 :lol:@ that guy on SA that paid :10bux: to declare the "fantasyland scam thing as decidedly over":
Quote from: SCtrumpHaters https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=477826339#post477826339
I don't want anyone and Dereek to get too bent out of shape but there will be swift reprisals for bullshit if it continues to be spread here. If you have criticisms fine, but this fantasyland scam thing is decidedly over.

And what exactly will be the swift reprisal if the "bullshit" continues? Are they going to revoke our citizenship :lol:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 29, 2017, 05:45:49 AM
:lol:@ that guy on SA that paid :10bux: to declare the "fantasyland scam thing as decidedly over":
Quote from: SCtrumpHaters https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=477826339#post477826339
I don't want anyone and Dereek to get too bent out of shape but there will be swift reprisals for bullshit if it continues to be spread here. If you have criticisms fine, but this fantasyland scam thing is decidedly over.

And what exactly will be the swift reprisal if the "bullshit" continues? Are they going to revoke our citizenship :lol:

Yeah, once in a while we catch a live one over there.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on October 29, 2017, 08:25:18 PM
"I don't want anyone and Derek to get too bent out of shape but there will be swift reprisals for bullshit if it continues to be spread here. If you have criticisms fine, but this fantasyland scam thing is decidedly over."

What are they going to do If I spread hate and discontent? Take away my birthday? Idiots. If they keep talking shit I might just take the effort to register.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Delvymatt on October 30, 2017, 03:47:50 AM
https://np.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/77ku2n/the_co_pioneer_will_go_on_sale_oct_27th_and_cost/

On the latest JPEG retailing at $850
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But it keeps the cash flowing in, provides incentive for the community to support, encourages hype, and diversifies the player base before launch.

12 people in an instance, 10 FPS and constant game crashes will diversify a player base..

I cannot see how anyone thinks it diversifies the player base - instead it does the opposite; it deepens the financial and emotional commitment of a small number of the existing investors/backers/player base...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: the_wolfmann on October 30, 2017, 12:36:08 PM

Karstenburst?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on October 30, 2017, 01:49:50 PM
"I don't want anyone and Derek to get too bent out of shape but there will be swift reprisals for bullshit if it continues to be spread here. If you have criticisms fine, but this fantasyland scam thing is decidedly over."

What are they going to do If I spread hate and discontent? Take away my birthday? Idiots. If they keep talking shit I might just take the effort to register.

Oh we're just laughing at the bad troll over on SA.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 03, 2017, 04:03:02 PM
LOL!! Star Citizen's Ben Parry is so fired. Here is he, putting a backer in his place for going overboard.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNvkHFEU8AAMQ5l.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNvkImOW0AI29Xn.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on November 03, 2017, 05:49:42 PM
Yeah and if I glue pictures of different Star Citizen ship variants onto playing cards we would be playing Star Citizen, the game as well. It's just not the game that was promised to be delivered several years ago.

I know... It's Hard.

We were asking for too much Fidelity but more than that we were expecting not to clip through walls, die trying to enter ships, Have our ships violently swing away from us on the most gentile EVA, you know, the small stuff. Good flight physics, a quality FPS in Space Marine would help and overall FUN  gameplay is still a thing in most video game. I guess Chris Robbers didn't get the message.

 Assclown           

Pong would meet the definition of a game but nobody would blow hundreds or thousands of dollars on it. What are these people smoking crack all day? They are devoid of reality. It's bad when they begin to believe their own bullshit.                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 04, 2017, 06:21:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vA9jZHe.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7aqk5w/300_and_global_progress_watch_update_20171103/dpcimdq/

We're absolute twats. So Star Citizen is good.  :supaburn:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on November 04, 2017, 06:31:37 PM
We're absolute twats because we are right. I think he didn't make that really clear  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 05, 2017, 04:57:26 AM
We're absolute twats because we are right. I think he didn't make that really clear  :D

It's amazing. I've been telling these guys for over two years now that the project is doomed and that it's a scam to get their money. But hey, I'm just in it for the lols now - what do I care about their money?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 05, 2017, 06:37:55 AM
Yeah and if I glue pictures of different Star Citizen ship variants onto playing cards we would be playing Star Citizen, the game as well. It's just not the game that was promised to be delivered several years ago.

I know... It's Hard.

We were asking for too much Fidelity but more than that we were expecting not to clip through walls, die trying to enter ships, Have our ships violently swing away from us on the most gentile EVA, you know, the small stuff. Good flight physics, a quality FPS in Space Marine would help and overall FUN  gameplay is still a thing in most video game. I guess Chris Robbers didn't get the message.

 Assclown           

Pong would meet the definition of a game but nobody would blow hundreds or thousands of dollars on it. What are these people smoking crack all day? They are devoid of reality. It's bad when they begin to believe their own bullshit.                                                                                                                     
See, when they started trotting out 'we're gonna have an FPS component' my eyebrows shot up.

This was supposed to be a SPACE sim. SPAAAAAAAAACE. Not Halo with a new coat of paint.

Feature creep, it's real.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 05, 2017, 10:34:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN4sEYNXUAEmNDI.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7ayd4k/did_cig_lie/

Yeah, I wonder. Back when I said they were lying, you crazy cultists attacked us. Now the cows have come home.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 05, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
"I have total faith that CIG will make the best game ever."

AYFKM.jpg

No, seriously. He's just laid out all the reasons he SHOULD be asking some very hard questions, right up to 'Explain this shit now, or I want a refund' and... he promptly backslides. How does someone like this survive, day to day?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 05, 2017, 10:53:01 AM
OK, I've seen it all now. They're crying foul about being quoted out of their safe space.

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I mention Derek Once in an Obscure comment and he Quotes me. Nowhere is safe Apparently.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/7ay3eo/i_mention_derek_once_in_an_obscure_comment_and_he/dpdocr7/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/7ay3eo/i_mention_derek_once_in_an_obscure_comment_and_he/dpdocr7/)

These fucking clowns.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 05, 2017, 10:53:53 AM
"I have total faith that CIG will make the best game ever."

AYFKM.jpg

No, seriously. He's just laid out all the reasons he SHOULD be asking some very hard questions, right up to 'Explain this shit now, or I want a refund' and... he promptly backslides. How does someone like this survive, day to day?

#notacult
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Meowz on November 05, 2017, 05:04:08 PM
We're absolute twats because we are right. I think he didn't make that really clear  :D

It's amazing. I've been telling these guys for over two years now that the project is doomed and that it's a scam to get their money. But hey, I'm just in it for the lols now - what do I care about their money?

Some listened, thanks to you I saved $3500. While it was in SC all it got me was looks of disbelief and mocking jabs from my friends. I convinced my other friend to pull his 2k out, but now they just wont reply to his refund requests (has sent two), not even the automatic message that states they received a ticket. I sent one of them myself. Its like if you select "refund" for the category it just goes to auto delete after confirming its been sent.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on November 06, 2017, 09:15:42 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN4sEYNXUAEmNDI.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7ayd4k/did_cig_lie/

Yeah, I wonder. Back when I said they were lying, you crazy cultists attacked us. Now the cows have come home.

This is what I expect at this point sadly. The main homes of these people have become so paranoid that anyone coming in with a criticism has to 'prove their cred' by making the requisite 'hail chris' and other ceremonial supplication. It's supposed to be a discussion area, not a fanboy zone.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 06, 2017, 09:51:35 AM
This is what I expect at this point sadly. The main homes of these people have become so paranoid that anyone coming in with a criticism has to 'prove their cred' by making the requisite 'hail chris' and other ceremonial supplication. It's supposed to be a discussion area, not a fanboy zone.

Yeah, it's pathetic. Meanwhile, this is the sort of thing that continues to cast them in a poor light. OSC rips them a new one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b8nh8/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 06, 2017, 09:52:40 AM
Meanwhile, since we're in bragging territory now...

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Just look how SHITTY and SMALL skyrim is compared to the BDSSE!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/AwvO1oe.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7azho2/star_citizen_4km_plot_vs_skyrim/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7azho2/star_citizen_4km_plot_vs_skyrim/)

awwww, that's so cute. :allears:

Line Of Defense, Gulge planetary base (http://lodgame.com/mediapage/), 256 sq km (16km x 16km)

(http://lodgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sb04_gulge_top.jpg)

I dare not even display a planetary base from my older Battlecruiser/Universal Combat games, some of which are about 10x that.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on November 06, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Yeah, it's pathetic. Meanwhile, this is the sort of thing that continues to cast them in a poor light. OSC rips them a new one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b2wc3/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/

Nope. Post got modded far away to an unknown galaxy. Was to personal addressed I guess.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 06, 2017, 07:14:14 PM
Yeah, it's pathetic. Meanwhile, this is the sort of thing that continues to cast them in a poor light. OSC rips them a new one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b2wc3/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/

Nope. Post got modded far away to an unknown galaxy. Was to personal addressed I guess.

Looks like he deleted the first one because of a warning from mods. He re-created it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b8nh8/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 08, 2017, 05:50:20 AM
Also, CIG has asked all employees to no longer do repeating shows. Even the super whales. This is going to go down so well.

https://twitter.com/StarCitizenAA/status/928000254615617536

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Bensday is on hiatus. @RobertsSpaceInd  asked employees not to do recurring shows. That’s all the info I have at this time.  #StarCitizen

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/928241589394305029

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Yeah, because it's going to be easy to spot those no longer there. But that's nuthin'. It's only the beginning of what comes next. Wait and see. At least you will have the memories.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 08, 2017, 06:45:03 AM

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LOL!! The answer is no. It's not possible. It never was.  And it never - ever - will be. At all.

It's all in The July Blog where I called this back in Summer 2015 but then got attacked by both RSI/CIG and their rabid fans.

http://dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/

You should read it. Word for word, it precisely encapsulates everything that I said would be problematic and that they could never - ever - pull it off. And that was at $85m at the time I wrote that they couldn't do it for anything less than $150m, a capable engine, and a team that actually knows how to build space games, let alone MMO ones. Now, five years later, we're at $163m, no game, no capable engine, and Star Citizen isn't even 15% completed. To say nothing of Squadron 42 which nobody has seen since the Godawful The Morrow Tour trailer from Q4/2015.

This is the biggest crowd-funding disaster in history. And it's evolved into an outright scam. They're no longer selling a game. They're selling the concept of a dream; and there are a few whales still funding it out of spite, attrition, and sunk cost fallacy. It's an amazing phenomenon to be sure.

The only thing to come out of it is that Chris Roberts (who has run every single company he ever had a hand in, right into the ground) and his friends and family, got rich.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 08, 2017, 11:21:37 AM
Meanwhile, over there: Are we backing a game anymore (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/are-we-really-backing-a-game-anymore)?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on November 08, 2017, 01:33:43 PM
Meanwhile, over there: Are we backing a game anymore (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/are-we-really-backing-a-game-anymore)?
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If CIG stops selling ships, people will take it as a sign of problems. If CIG keeps selling ships, it's a problem. When can CIG win? Probably never. This is project hypochondria every little thing is taken as a bad thing that could, at any moment, spell doom.

It seems to me that these are typical symptoms of PSS (Ponzi Stress Syndrome) or OCJD (Obsessive Compulsive JPEG Disorder)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 08, 2017, 04:02:31 PM
Meanwhile, over there: Are we backing a game anymore (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/are-we-really-backing-a-game-anymore)?
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If CIG stops selling ships, people will take it as a sign of problems. If CIG keeps selling ships, it's a problem. When can CIG win? Probably never. This is project hypochondria every little thing is taken as a bad thing that could, at any moment, spell doom.

It seems to me that these are typical symptoms of PSS (Ponzi Stress Syndrome) or OCJD (Obsessive Compulsive JPEG Disorder)

Why not both?  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 08, 2017, 05:47:17 PM
Also, CIG has asked all employees to no longer do repeating shows. Even the super whales. This is going to go down so well.

https://twitter.com/StarCitizenAA/status/928000254615617536

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Bensday is on hiatus. @RobertsSpaceInd  asked employees not to do recurring shows. That’s all the info I have at this time.  #StarCitizen

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/928241589394305029

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Yeah, because it's going to be easy to spot those no longer there. But that's nuthin'. It's only the beginning of what comes next. Wait and see. At least you will have the memories.

https://go.twitch.tv/videos/188522103 FF to 1:30

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"[my twitch name] is STARCITIZENAA, because you know I was dedicating my life to that damn game. Now I'm gonna be playing SOUTH PARK or DESTINY 2. Forget it, I'm gonna start a new show, it's gonna be called DS DAY."
  :vince:

@3:00 Courtesy of SomethingJones



Batgirl:
Maybe we could start a new show. We could do a show with the RECEPTIONIST at CIG. Call it... Call it... Conversation From The Water Cooler At CIG. Hey, the grapevine is 70% accurate."

Twitch Viewer:
Have you thought about a show were you interview backers and how they feel about certain things?

Batgirl:
Yeah actually I have thought of that. But that would have to be specific backers and... or MANY backers, like having them come into this chat channel...

Twitch Viewer:
Yeah that's what I mean, have a group come in and you just have like a round table discussion.

Batgirl:
(whilst docking at Lubbock Ring in Elite Dangerous) I think that's what happens on our Friday night Twitch stream, only we get drunk when we do it.



...


@05:00
Batgirl:
I'm longing to play some Star Citizen, I just don't know if we're ever going to get the game at this point.

(long pause)

Twitch Viewer:
Oh... quit being down it's just a bump in the road

Batgirl:
But they bumped MY road! Not somebody else's, MINE.

Twitch Viewer:
But didn't they bump everybody's road?

Batgirl:
But nobody else was doing BENSDAY, I was

Twitch Viewer:
Well it's personal that way. When they do it to YOU it becomes personal to YOU.

Twitch Viewer 2:
I thought it was more of an organisational announcement

Batgirl:
Well no, they said 'no more recurring shows', there's only one person that does a recurring show, that's Ben.

Twitch Viewer 2:
I'm sure it's the WHINERS

Batgirl:
What whiners?

Twitch Viewer 2:
The ones that complain about, not having you interview... or complain that everything's not (audio cuts) cos they're too lazy (audio cuts) to look in places besides the website

Batgirl:
But... aw whatever. I know people whine about it but the people that matter don't.

Twitch Viewer 2:
If that's all they're seeing on Spectrum cos most people don't bother with it like me, I didn't even know there was stuff going on again on the forums...

Batgirl:
There's stuff going on on the forums?

Twitch Viewer 2:
Apparently there's stuff I've missed, I've gone, 'ah, I'm not even gonna dive into that'

Batgirl:
Joe consistently plays forum commander all the time, so if you ever want to know what's going on on the forums, talk to him

...

Evidently in a fit of rage, I rage-purchased Destiny 2



Twitch Viewer 2:
What were you so angry about that made you purchase that? We're here to talk, it's THERAPY

Twitch Viewer 1:
(laughs his ass off)

Batgirl:
I need a hell of a lot of therapy at this point. Nah, I have a son that's probably gonna play it, that's what happened
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 10, 2017, 08:15:35 AM
LOL!! So backer whales have started getting their cards

(https://i.imgur.com/5IVXjuW.jpg)

Apparently, they think it means "Loyalty until the end"  :laugh:

A Goon familiar with Latin, says:

Quote
Quoad with any form of the indicative means "as long as." To make quoad mean "until", you need the subjunctive.

"Faithful as long as we will die" is ridiculous.

The reason they got into this trap is that they didn't want to use "dum", a much easier adverb to work with. But it looks like "dumb", which they are.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Meowz on November 10, 2017, 09:22:02 AM
I had one of those, the "Black" version. Sold it for twice what I paid to some googlie-eyed backer who didn't understand why I wanted to part with it.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 10, 2017, 11:59:45 AM
I still have my Platinum one. Collectors item! :woop:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 10, 2017, 05:39:18 PM
Meanwhile, over there

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/11-9-17-new-burndown-not-looking-good-for-ptu-rele/628921

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I'm too disappointed. they just deleted a post i started an hour ago to say not to expect 3.0 anytime soon.

I'm concierge and you dare to delete my post on this forum. Shame on you. No free speech on this forum.

im not disappointed, im fucking disappointed.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 12, 2017, 04:35:51 AM
Meanwhile, over at the targeted harassment hate sub (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/7cdhmb/meta_finally_a_slow_news_day_discussing_the/)

(https://i.imgur.com/vlOKh4V.png)

It's shocking that this happened shortly after one of the mods, Jester86, got busted (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7cad0h/want_to_cash_out_without_the_hassle_and_wait/dpoz98l/) using an alt to promote Grey market ships in the /r/Starcitizen_Trades sub that he also moderates.

From Beet Wagon, one of the /r/Starcitizen_refunds mods :

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lmao, Jester using an alt account to advertise black market services on the refunds subreddit. Now I've seen it all.

Exhibit A: this post by one Ivan_SC advertising black market shit on /refunds

(https://i.imgur.com/KErqbtj.png)

Exhibit B: Jester responding to comments in that thread with comments clearly written as "Ivan" lol. These comments don't exist because as soon as he realized the issue he deleted them, but since he's flagged for manual comment approval they're still in the modmail. Whoops!

(https://i.imgur.com/aVBMCQ5.png)

It's a common issue if you use their app - it'll show you PMs and comment replies for all your accounts regardless of which one you're currently signed in as. It also lets you respond to them, and doesn't show you which account you're logged in as until after lol. Reddit is shit.

https://i.imgur.com/UqSFbsI.jpg

It wasn't long ago that OSC ripped him a new one (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b8nh8/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/) for his bullshit.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 12, 2017, 05:07:25 AM
Meanwhile, over at the targeted harassment hate sub (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/7cdhmb/meta_finally_a_slow_news_day_discussing_the/)

My comment which I posted over on SA (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&pagenumber=2716#post478311605)



Quote from: SomethingJones" post="478309066
They've lost all the credibility they thought they had within the space of 5 minutes of Jester fucking up, so they're just going to shut it down, lmao

:laffo: yeah.

It's amazing that shortly after one of the mods of a hate sub, who just so happens to be a mod of a for-profit Star Citizen sub, gets outed with an alt, they decide to finally make good on setting the Reddit to read-only.

AFAIK BoredDellTechnician was never a part of the bullshit the Reddit turned into. I have had several exchanges with him, and didn't get the impression that he was at all in favor of what the Reddit had turned into. So for him to come out and actually post about this, says volumes. It truly is The End.

It won't save them from the ire that I am in the planning stages of raining down upon them as my gateway to RSI/CIG. It's not like they weren't warned for two years. All it takes is just ONE of those ass-clowns for me to make my point.

As Usenet refugee from the old days, for me, it's a bitter sweet moment because I really didn't mind the sub all that much; as long as they weren't going over the line. But people are who they are, and these dregs of humanity just can't be trusted to be decent, nor can they help themselves.

Fucking :lol: if he thinks I'm going to write a blog about this shit.

A wise man once said:

Quote
"I've said it before and I'll say it again. Throughout the history of the internet people have told themselves "I'm going to be the one that gets into an internet argument with Derek Smart, owns him hardcore and shuts him up once and for all" and every single one that has tried have all gone through with their attempts in exactly the same ways. You've seen it most recently on Reddit with his fanclub, or with guys like MoMA. You saw it with Chris Roberts. Now you're seeing it with obey-the-fist!

It's like watching an ever increasing number of people try to put out a fire with their hands, with each one is going "Hah! Those idiots couldn't do it because their hands aren't big enough! Mine are larger and I'm going to spit on them so they're moist! I'll show this fire who's boss!
"

Yeah. My one regret is that when The End of the E.L.E finally comes (it's sooner than most people think), we would have to wade through /r/starcitizen/ looking for the Usual Suspects to laugh at, and harvest their tears.

But they will scatter to the wind, and return from whence they came: obscurity.

And The Internet Warlord, will continue to wage war across these lands, remaining the last man standing after the bombs stop falling.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ZqlvCTNHpqrio/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on November 12, 2017, 05:32:25 AM
Burn them down, one by one!  :cop:

(http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/greek-fire-ships.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on November 12, 2017, 05:56:45 AM
Damn. I was actually looking forward to that Reddit going bonkers after CIG had crashed on every tweet from Derek with new info about the crash and burn / scam. Oh well, maybe that Dell guy will open it up again then :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 12, 2017, 11:09:26 AM
:laffo: Jester86 is on a bender

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7cad0h/want_to_cash_out_without_the_hassle_and_wait/dppmfu7/

(https://imgur.com/6oLtVrU.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on November 12, 2017, 06:29:00 PM
Burn them down, one by one!  :cop:

(http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/greek-fire-ships.jpg)

That is Greek Fire not Geek Fire.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 13, 2017, 08:09:12 AM
Meanwhile, back at the farm...

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/burndown-production-schedule-megathread-nov-9th-20/628713
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 14, 2017, 07:43:13 AM
We saw this coming a few days ago (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg5493#msg5493), well, say goodbye to our favorite hate sub for targeted harassment.

The parting statement (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/7csumc/this_subreddit_is_now_viewonly/) is a hilarious gift of delusion.

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Hello members of the community and visitors.

As of November 13th, 2017, this subreddit has been placed in archive mode. We would like to thank everyone who contributed to this archive over the past two years. When it was started we never thought it'd remain active this long as our intention was to keep it only until CIG could release 3.0 (or, any minimum viable product). Future prospects would then be able make their own judgement based on free flights, youtube videos and community word of mouth.

Well, shame on us, CIG is still (as of today) working on getting Star Citizen 3.0 Alpha to a suitable public release state. We feel that despite not having a mass launch ready, recent demonstrations and content leaks from early 3.0 testers have put enough material online to loosely allow people to make their own decisions. From that, we feel that this subreddit has reached a point in its lifespan where it is no longer necessary to refute Derek Smart's claims as CIG's work is at a point to speak for itself.

In addition, the content and repetition of Derek's daily claims have eroded to such a point over the past several months (as seen by the content still posted on the front page) that there's no use in discussing it further. Allegations of racism, targeted attacks on specific community members and consistent legal threats show that there's really nothing left in the toolbox capable of damaging the project. Therefore, by removing this discussion platform we are accomplishing several goals, some of which may be obvious and some of which likely aren't. This subreddit is arguably Derek Smart's largest audience and now it has been silenced by his own doing. As requested, here are the subreddit traffic stats as we believe in backing up our claims with proof. While Derek may continue to bluster with legal threats and personal attacks, they will reach a severely diminished audience. We have been consistently clear that such behaviour will not be tolerated here and this is our stand to show that we believe no one should be subject to such abuse for any reason, let alone voicing support for a video game. Please take a minute to let that sink in.

Moving forward, a new subreddit may be started by the existing members of this community. It (likely) will not be affiliated with this subreddit or it's moderation however we will include a redirect post to allow new users to find it. It was decided that a handoff of this subreddit to new moderation was not in the best interest of the archive at this time.

This subreddit will remain in its current view-only format indefinitely, pending a viable reason to change it (for instance, a request from reddit admin or CIG to set it to private or an overwhelming resurgence of moderator willingness to revive the project).

Comments will be allowed for the next week, at which time AutoModerator will be set to remove all future comments.

Thank you to (mostly) everyone for your time and contributions, and thanks for all the fish.

So, I think they "won"?  :laugh: :supaburn:

This is like an elite army chasing a group of shitlords across the plains and up a hill. Kick them off the hill, they will race to the other hill and claim victory - because they found another hill.  :bahgawd:

To say nothing of the fact that Jester86 (also the mod of /r/starcitizen_trades) not only accidentally outed himself (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7cad0h/want_to_cash_out_without_the_hassle_and_wait/dpoz5mq/) using an alt (later discovered to be a racist White Nationalist), but then coincidentally immediately afterward, they came up with the read-only plan. If you haven't yet, you should read the incredible take-down (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7cad0h/want_to_cash_out_without_the_hassle_and_wait/dppmfu7/) by OSC.

I think it's a combo of avoiding legal liability (which OSC mentioned here (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7b8nh8/the_toxic_star_citizen_community/), though I had never made details public), coupled with Jester's conflict of interest, as well as the fact that they won't want us loling at them when 3.0 drops, crashes, and burns.

They basically rage quit. While claiming victory and saying they're my biggest audience. They even have stats to "prove" it.  :smuggo:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbMjsN2.png)

I can't wait to see where they end up next. One thing is certain, we'll still be here to grief them, while pointing and laughing.  :wave:

 :rip:

(https://i.imgur.com/yhDtcc3.png)

Quote
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Throughout the history of the internet people have told themselves "I'm going to be the one that gets into an internet argument with Derek Smart, owns him hardcore and shuts him up once and for all" and every single one that has tried have all gone through with their attempts in exactly the same ways. You've seen it most recently on Reddit with his fanclub, or with guys like MoMA. You saw it with Chris Roberts. Now you're seeing it with obey-the-fist!

It's like watching an ever increasing number of people try to put out a fire with their hands, with each one is going "Hah! Those idiots couldn't do it because their hands aren't big enough! Mine are larger and I'm going to spit on them so they're moist! I'll show this fire who's boss!"
- SomethingAwful WiseAss
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on November 14, 2017, 08:19:23 AM
There are some serious delusions in that farewell thread.

What exactly did they win?  SC still isn't out...not even remotely close.  3.0 is a fucking trainwreck that will NEVER be fixed.  They lost their voice, DS still has his.

So remind me again, in what bizzaro world did they "win"?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on November 14, 2017, 09:33:18 AM
Derek, congratulations for seeing off that reddit hate thread.

Hopefully all those guys will be reading this blog and fuming about it.    :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 14, 2017, 10:05:04 AM
There are some serious delusions in that farewell thread.

What exactly did they win?  SC still isn't out...not even remotely close.  3.0 is a fucking trainwreck that will NEVER be fixed.  They lost their voice, DS still has his.

So remind me again, in what bizzaro world did they "win"?

 :shrug:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 14, 2017, 10:05:34 AM
Derek, congratulations for seeing off that reddit hate thread.

Hopefully all those guys will be reading this blog and fuming about it.    :laugh:

I have always said that those fucking ass-clowns are their own worst enemy.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Opalshine on November 14, 2017, 11:53:01 AM
From their replies, a lot of them really thought that a good, highly-functional 3.0 would be released by now.  From their perspective, that was the point of r/ds: to document what Derek said so they could point and laugh at him when the game came out.  That would be their epic rebuttal, just enjoying the game.  Of course the game didn't come out, and 3.0 is a hot mess, so they're in the situation they're in, and there ain't no cavalry coming.  It really is the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on November 14, 2017, 12:44:26 PM
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From that, we feel that this subreddit has reached a point in its lifespan where it is no longer necessary to refute Derek Smart's claims as CIG's work is at a point to speak for itself

Do they not sense the hilarious irony in this statement, or was this fully intentional? It's like maintaining that "Derek Smart Was Wrong" while admitting that "Derek Smart Was Right"  :dance:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on November 14, 2017, 01:21:04 PM
I have seen some really weird shit overthere, but somehow they managed to top it all with their closing statement  :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 14, 2017, 02:40:54 PM
I have seen some really weird shit overthere, but somehow they managed to top it all with their closing statement  :vince:

Yes, it's brilliant isn't it? Some of us who have been keeping up with that cesspit of anti-social malcontent, just can't believe that Jester86 actually wrote that shit.

You want to see something truly funny? After spending the past few days, literally begging the mods to either hand over the reigns or not close the Reddit, they switched their narrative to (https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/7csumc/this_subreddit_is_now_viewonly/dptdrqj/).....

(https://i.imgur.com/wDgGrjh.jpg)

And this was after claiming that they're my biggest audience. So Goons put up comparison stats (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7cvlyf/meta_subreddit_traffic_stats_for_anyone_curious/) for /r/starcitizen_refunds, which was made possible by my efforts to get people their money back.

(https://i.redditmedia.com/EpN97wsvYj1DFIm2TW3uGO821ofj11dHz4u2kvjJcak.png?w=230&s=c66f1db1886b77e0c1c0c349b6d8aed4)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on November 14, 2017, 03:16:22 PM
Maybe it's time to do a re-run series of some of your better Tweets? Mass lay-offs, 3.0 not being ready, all the breaking news items, those things. No place for them to get mad about them and then having to witness that you were actually right.  :dance:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on November 14, 2017, 04:12:08 PM


Maybe it's time to do a re-run series of some of your better Tweets? Mass lay-offs, 3.0 not being ready, all the breaking news items, those things. No place for them to get mad about them and then having to witness that you were actually right.  :dance:

My naming suggestion: "Derek's Twitter Completionist Pack (non-refundable)"...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 15, 2017, 05:31:40 AM
Maybe it's time to do a re-run series of some of your better Tweets? Mass lay-offs, 3.0 not being ready, all the breaking news items, those things. No place for them to get mad about them and then having to witness that you were actually right.  :dance:

Yeah, I've been doing that already. But they have a few more days before they can no longer post. Though it just appears to be some saying goodbye, while others doing what they do best: making asses of themselves.

It's so beautiful.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 15, 2017, 05:58:38 AM
The evisceration of Jester86 and his gang of racist misfits

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on November 15, 2017, 07:21:11 AM
Meanwhile, back at the farm...

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/burndown-production-schedule-megathread-nov-9th-20/628713

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/77/770697fd2a2e19f956658d6a91fc0bf9c965181de93533b112ae008b656739dc.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 16, 2017, 09:17:00 AM
553 upvotes. Good times

Star Citizen Squadron 42 will not make it in this year Citizencons 2017 (https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/76d5e9/star_citizen_squadron_42_will_not_make_it_in_this/)

(https://i.imgur.com/AhcM7HI.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on November 16, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
I was wondering how that could've been upvoted so much but then I saw it was on r/Games, not r/StarCitizen.

It's wondrous how rational people are outside of the bubble.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 17, 2017, 03:48:42 PM
I am laughing so hard right now.

Star Citizen's Voyager Direct is as anti-consumer as EA's microtransaction systems in Battlefront 2. Why does it still exist? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7dnonv/star_citizens_voyager_direct_is_as_anticonsumer/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 19, 2017, 06:23:35 AM
Quote
So the Reddit fanatics now seem to be turning on each other over the continuing delays:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7dvszl/stop_the_disinformation/

One guy quotes the ATV figures, then someone accuses them of misinformation. It all seems to be about the definition of an issues vs a bug - which hardly seems to justify the argument that has erupted.

I think they're in full Cognitive Dissonance mode. Half of what they're ranting at each other makes no sense. Unsurprisingly Derek's name came up:

Quote
It doesn't help when you someone, like Derek Smart, that lies about what 179 issues means. They keep on claiming that CIG are lying by saying there are only "179 bugs" when in fact there are many many more bugs than that. But these people do not realize that 179 issues are issues they want to get rid of before going to the next phase, and does not mean those are the only bugs in the game. But those liars will continue with their attack on the game.

Hilarious  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 19, 2017, 06:24:50 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/7duqx5/following_the_battlefront_2_pay2win_drama_star/

(https://i.imgur.com/5wh9Ith.png)


Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 19, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
(https://i.redd.it/zsayt9yzhqyz.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7dsuhw/we_are_nearly_there/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 22, 2017, 06:19:19 AM
#notacult

I drove 4.5 hours each way to get a beer with the man. Worth it. (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7eq0f4/i_drove_45_hours_each_way_to_get_a_beer_with_the/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on November 22, 2017, 09:37:45 AM
I like the concept of paying additional money to get a card so that you can spend more money and time driving to a party where you can meet the guy who scammed you out of at least $1000 in the first place.

This is some next level shit.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 22, 2017, 09:47:35 AM
I like the concept of paying additional money to get a card so that you can spend more money and time driving to a party where you can meet the guy who scammed you out of at least $1000 in the first place.

This is some next level shit.

Yeah, it's incredible.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on November 22, 2017, 05:30:01 PM
I like the concept of paying additional money to get a card so that you can spend more money and time driving to a party where you can meet the guy who scammed you out of at least $1000 in the first place.

This is some next level shit.

Yeah, it's incredible.  :laugh:

You be fairly sure that the toilet cubicles in the gents were busy whilst Chris was there...not from use of a certain marching powder either..

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dithero on November 23, 2017, 05:52:14 AM
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[–]
Daniel_40 19 hours ago

I wonder how much you would have paid to suck his Dick?


[–]
VerrucktKumpelnew 18 hours ago

If an Anvil Lightning comes out , I'll do it
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 24, 2017, 06:45:45 AM
Meanwhile, over on Reddit, Gorf is typing (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7f1y2c/a_few_question_from_a_star_citizen_fan/dq9kshg/?sh=f48eb135&st=JADHTXT3)  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on November 24, 2017, 07:52:05 AM
Meanwhile, over on Reddit, Gorf is typing (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7f1y2c/a_few_question_from_a_star_citizen_fan/dq9kshg/?sh=f48eb135&st=JADHTXT3)  :laugh:
DELICIOUS!  :haw:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 24, 2017, 10:47:46 AM
ROTFLMAO!! Stay for the comments  :laugh:

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on November 24, 2017, 11:42:31 AM
All of the stupid suckers kicking in $10 to "subscribe" and get 3.0 a week or two early.  Jackasses.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 24, 2017, 02:25:12 PM
All of the stupid suckers kicking in $10 to "subscribe" and get 3.0 a week or two early.  Jackasses.

...for a game they ALREADY PAID FOR  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: randomness on November 24, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
ROTFLMAO!! Stay for the comments  :laugh:


That's .... hilariously sad.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, his responses go a little something like:
-  : "I put a shit ton of money into this game because i'm an responsible adult.... you wouldn't understand how that's like  :smuggo: "
- "You instant-gratification kids can piss off back to your Cods and whatnots"
- "General-public funding  of a game and open development is something  that ONLY CIG has ever tried, (at least well, of course  ;) ), and i'm fine with dropping 500 smackers to be part of that"

At least, this does confirm that a lot of people really ARE in this for the fantasy RP rather than the actual game. Dreaming of what the game could/should be rather than what it is.
The circle-jerking IS the  game , and Star Citizen actually being  delivered as promised is irrelevant, which explains people like this guy's willingness to ignore all the faults and delays.

So for all his talk about "those damn kids :bahgawd:"  , he's not that different from the fanatics who keep buying all those shitty, poorly made Sonic the Hedgehog games just so they can draw really creepy pictures on deviantart of the characters.

EDIT: The really shitty part of this, though, is when this game fails, people like him will just turn around and say :"Oh well, I got 500$ worth of fun out of this . That's how the cookie crumbles. You weren't really expecting  them to do everything ,right? We had our fun dreaming, now it's time to move on and forget about it, right guys :3:? "

EDIT numeros dos:  Still had a good laugh about this gem :(paraphrase) "I can afford to drop 500$ on a game that i hope will be good in 10 years. I put a hellovalot more cash in my marriage and I had  to wait more than 10 year for that to be good "   :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on November 24, 2017, 05:50:44 PM
I love how the goal line is now an acceptable 10 years.  I guess their "go-to" chart is irrelevant now:

(https://i.imgur.com/79l4dDd.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: premiumnugz on November 24, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
EDIT: The really shitty part of this, though, is when this game fails, people like him will just turn around and say :"Oh well, I got 500$ worth of fun out of this . That's how the cookie crumbles. You weren't really expecting  them to do everything ,right? We had our fun dreaming, now it's time to move on and forget about it, right guys :3:? "

I saw a guy on the /r/StarCitizen subreddit said that literally yesterday. He said.. "I'm pretty poor and had to make a choice, so I gave up my advanced EVE Online and World of Warcraft accounts for Star Citizen, and I'm so so so happy I did! I spent $1300 so far but this game has already given me more value and entertainment than any game I've ever played, I don't even care if it gets released at this point" :doh:

Highly upvoted as usual  :bahgawd:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 24, 2017, 09:49:25 PM
ROTFLMAO!! Remember this FailureToReport dude? Sure you do.


(https://imgur.com/EnyQp2J.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Aya Reiko on November 24, 2017, 11:45:19 PM
I love how the goal line is now an acceptable 10 years.  I guess their "go-to" chart is irrelevant now:

(https://i.imgur.com/79l4dDd.jpg)
And you gotta love how cherry-picked this chart is too.  No games that started its development after '07.  It only lists SC as 3 years as opposed to 5 going on 6 years...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 25, 2017, 08:51:21 AM
I love how the goal line is now an acceptable 10 years.  I guess their "go-to" chart is irrelevant now:

(https://i.imgur.com/79l4dDd.jpg)
I thought SC initially started development in 2011?

The best part of this, though, is the dishonesty. To wit: all those development dates ended with the product being distributed and released. TF2 released in 2007, Morrowind in 2002, etc.

Ergo, SC doesn't even BELONG on this chart, because it hasn't even been released yet. Yes, we all know about the 'modules' and the 'release system' and various bullshit. But the fact is that I cannot go into Best Buy, buy a copy, and play it. Period. The end.

But hey, those jpgs! Take my money!  :10bux:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 25, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
I thought SC initially started development in 2011?

It did. Chris has gone on the record in several interviews saying that by the 2012 KS, they were already one year in. Shitizens who revel in revisionist history, will try to tell you different because that's their way of justify the game's development crawl.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 25, 2017, 02:37:20 PM

So that idiot (see above), FailureToReport, showed up on SA after a Goon bought him a 10 bux account. He started on me right away. So I let him have it.

This was after I left him this moderated comment in his latest video



Go fuck yourself. You and your ilk ARE the reason this project ended up like this, and is an utter failure on the verge of collapse. And like you did before when you ran off to the now defunct /r/ds shit hole for anti-social shit heels and pedos, you're here now. GTFO.

My only hope is that the remaining whales keep throwing money into this, right to the revelation of what is currently playing out behind the scenes, because the end will be so much more hilarious.

The "Derek Smart was right" pill has now become a suppository that you all are going to be stuck with for all eternity because as gamers, we hold onto shit forever - and a day.

ps. fucking coward, I see you still have me on mod block in your shitty channel.



(https://i.imgur.com/cXXcrHK.png)

I wasn't home at the time I posted the previous response. So I was saving the best for last. As I was driving home, I kept thinking of all the things I wanted to say to you.

First, I want to thank the Heavenly Father for continuing to show you fucking heathens that the only true religion is one that is led by divine order, not some clueless moron born of man.

Second, I would like to thank the Goon (on my Discord) who bought you a $10 account so you could step out of your safe space and into the real digital world where you have no powa.

Oh, FYI, Goons buy accounts for fresh meat all the time. Paying 10 bux doesn't make you a Goon. It makes you a dumb fuck who got roped into posting at the one place where everyone eats their young, and for good measure, even the old ladies, during a slow week. See: MoMa

I am also happy that you were dumb (I told you to take your meds, right?) enough to post this regurgitated vomit that's devoid of any logic (yeah, yeah, I know, Shitizens are as dumb as a bag of strap-on dildos in the bargain bin at a strip mall; but I digress) - at all.

Quote from: FailureToReport" post="478713736
The idea of you saying to ANYONE that Star Citizen is _________ because of them is hilarious, because you are unanimously the reason that the community is so polarized and full of double down syndrome.

(https://i.redd.it/zsayt9yzhqyz.png)

Here's the thing. You and your turd-brained shit gargling girlfriends, ARE the reason that we're here, and the reason that the entire community is polarized.

The fact that you - and your circle jerk buddies - are still singing this "Oh you!!" mantra, is testament to the fact that you're all a bunch of completely broken fuck sticks, bereft of anything resembling decent human beings worthy of being in society, let alone among normal people.

If your excuse for behaving the way that you have for the past years is because one POSITIVELY INSANE, AUTISTIC & CRANKY OLD GAME DEV wrote a fucking blog (like nobody ever did that before, you see), then it makes the most sense that you all continued to give money to a bona fide scam artist who has all but shit in an ice cooler and passed it around so that you all can get the experience of what the turd from the guy you all made a millionaire, smells like.

In July 2015, I wrote the infamous "July Blog (http://www.dereksmart.com/2015/07/interstellar-citizens/)". In it, I said the game as pitched couldn't be made because Chris Roberts had extended the scope beyond the capabilities of the tech, the team, and the money. 

They responded (at the behest of Sandi Gardiner & Ben Lesnick, according to my sources) by lying about why they kicked out my account and refunded me (http://www.dereksmart.org/2015/08/star-citizen-how-i-got-involved/).

We now know - without a doubt - that the only reason why a multi-millionaire corp, led by a hapless wannabe visionary who has busted every fucking project/company he ever touched, would even bother to respond to what many at the time believed to be the rantings of a "jealous" developer, is if there was SOME fact to what was written.

I have spent almost THREE FUCKING DECADES building massive and complex games in the genre. Every fucking tech you could possibly think of putting in a space/planetary combat game, I've either developed, or prototyped. And there is NOTHING in Star Citizen that's remotely revolutionary, groundbreaking, or original. Sure, my games aren't popular, they're not blockbusters, and they don't cater to a large audience. But so fucking what? Anyone who knows my history, knows that I never - ever - set out to do that, or I would have changed course. A group of people keep buying the games that I make, so I kept making them. Audience size and revenue are irrelevant if you can make enough money to pay your bills and develop the games you want to develop. That's what an indie is. That's who I am, always was, and always will be. 

Heck, just for the sheer fun of it, I just spent two fucking weeks working on and releasing (on Thanksgiving Day, no less) a patch (http://3000ad.com/gces-changelog/) for a game I fucking released in 2008, and which sold less than 100 copies in the past quarter. Why? Because I fucking can, and because for me, it's fun, and it's what I do. I don't need a financial incentive as the primary reason for making games.

You fucking retards attacking me and my games, doesn't fucking faze me one bit. It's certainly not going to make Star Citizen a better, let alone a released, game.

(https://i.imgur.com/dtq0VB9.jpg)

Unlike you single testicled nut jobs, I put my money where my mouth is by actually paying attorneys (http://dereksmart.com/bin/sc/15-08-21-dsmart_demand_letter_to_rsi-final.pdf) in order to seek accountability for myself and the backers.

And then, even as they over-played their hand, they took it one step further by accusing me of stalking and harassment, even though there was no basis in fact, let alone in law, for it. Once again, I paid attorneys (http://dereksmart.com/bin/sc/15-10-02_Response_To_RSI_Cease_Desist.pdf) to give Ortwin, the other part of the scam, the redress his incompetent ass was dying for.

Then The Escapist ended up doing an article (https://web.archive.org/web/20170119204020/http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company) in which other sources pretty much confirmed everything that I had been saying. Again, Chris over-played his hand by writing a kindergarten level diatribe (https://archive.is/33W9O) in which he mentioned me over 5 dozen times - despite the fact that I had NOTHING to do with The Escapist article (which didn't even mention me).

And during all this time, 2 of the 3 things (financial accounting, dev schedule, refunds for those who are) that I asked for in my 2015 legal action, and which CIG was fighting against, ended up happening anyway. Why? Because it was the right fucking call, and I knew it from the start.

Aside from all that, I had said that without the tech, the team, the money (at least $150M), they couldn't possibly build the fucking game. That was 2.5 fucking years ago. So far, I made that claim at around $75M. It's now $165M (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tMAP0fg-AKScI3S3VjrDW3OaLO4zgBA1RSYoQOQoNSI/htmlview#) and it's not even out of pre-Alpha. And all the experienced people have since left, leaving mostly incompetent yes-men who are either just pulling a pay check, or towing the line.

(http://i.imgur.com/Q9yv8YH.mp4)

When in 2016 they ended up switching engines (I wrote a whole fucking blog (http://dereksmart.com/2016/12/star-citizen-irreconcilable-differences/) about why that was BAD, not good) - without saying a fucking thing about it beforehand - I said it was a fucking waste of time because there is NO ENGINE on the planet that could build THAT game, most of you degenerate latte-sipping drama junkies, continued to attack me, while trying to theory-craft your way off an iceberg - even as Chris Roberts and his gang of fuckups, continued to PROVE ME RIGHT.

I'm not even going to mention the fact that I said SQ42 wasn't coming out in 2016. Again, I got attacked. CIG went on the record that it was totally, definitely coming out - pledge moah.

Then it didn't.

And I said that twice (for 2016 and 2017) because that's what sources said.

Then, as if that wasn't bad enough, back in Q4/2016 when I said that sources told me 3.0 didn't fucking exist when Chris said it did - again, I got incessantly attacked. I thought "Fine. Fuck 'em; they'll see soon enough". So I spent a whole fucking year documenting The Road To 3.0 (http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/6005/) timeline because I knew that, as these things go, you dumb-ass schoolyard bullies are keen on revisionist history.

(https://imgur.com/IFjFy7K.jpg)

At the height of the 3.0 frenzy, I again wrote that sources said the entire dev schedule unveiled in April 2017, was pure and utter bullshit, and didn't reflect the internal schedule. Again, you glue huffing pinheads attacked me. Then slowly and slowly, this turned out to be true; and to the extent that it wasn't even a month ago that items started disappearing from the schedule, even though they never even appeared (as fixed or otherwise) in the schedule. Now, with the latest 11/24/17 schedule (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report), NONE of that is even in the schedule.

But wait! There's more!

Through this whole time, I kept writing that 3.0 wasn't even ready for Evocati, that sources said it needed at least 6 months, that any earlier release would be a fucking disaster (which we are now witnessing), and that it was a ploy for the CitizenCon shindig etc. Ignoring the fact that it was over a month ago, it conveniently got released - ahead of a sale - with fucking obvious bugs which were either 1) already reported or 2) not even logged, thus providing ample evidence that even the special needs Evocati coffee-mainlining turd heaps who kept pretending that everything was OK and covering for CIG, were busy stroking their yogurt encrusted boners, having been let into the sekret club, instead of playing the fucking game and helping to fix it. Which, considering that it was a pile of unplayable shit (just as I'd written), makes sense because ain't nobody got time fo' dat.

(https://imgur.com/utGShoS.jpg)

As of today, the fucking project is a dumpster fire, and is completely FUBAR. And we're not even talking about it being pre-Alpha; but the fact that 6 years + $165m later, they don't even have a fucking CompSci project, let alone a vertical slice of EITHER game.

Any one of you boot-licking Trumpettes who would look at this fucking schedule of promises (https://starcitizentracker.github.io/), and think "Yeah, they're totally going to make that game" deserves to be fleeced of everything you have.

Since you are one of those broken-brained ass-clowns, I have no fucking reason to believe that you have fully divested yourself from the project, or you wouldn't be wishy-washy about it, let alone still making fucking videos while acting all shocked as if you only just now discovered a dime size hole in your Strawberry flavored condom.

Like others who hide behind the confines of anonymity while taking potshots at people like me, somehow you think that we're just going to forget about all the shit that you peanut-basted fruitcakes have been doing this whole time. My one regret is that I wrote enough, with sufficient evidence, for you guys to get a refund. I would very much have liked for you all to go down with the ship in the impending final days that are now playing out.

Go fuck yourself. You're all a bunch of...

(https://i.imgur.com/Ey05Fhp.gif)

ps: I found the evidence (1 (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg4927#msg4927), 2 (http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=15.msg4948#msg4948)) of your meltdown over the Amazon dev interview which I essentially killed. Again, unlike you guys, my version of reality is the real one.

pps: You are now on my block list as I have nothing further to say to you.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on November 25, 2017, 03:05:02 PM
So I let him have it.

Derek, as a non-native English speaker, I really appreciate your periodical online language classes! Thanks to you, I've managed to expand my daily use vocabulary quite a bit in the past year. Today's introduction to boot-licking Trumpettes, peanut-basted fruitcakes and strawberry flavored condoms was worth the price of admission alone…  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 25, 2017, 03:39:28 PM
So I let him have it.

Derek, as a non-native English speaker, I really appreciate your periodical online language classes! Thanks to you, I've managed to expand my daily use vocabulary quite a bit in the past year. Today's introduction to boot-licking Trumpettes, peanut-basted fruitcakes and strawberry flavored condoms was worth the price of admission alone…  :D

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

No seriously, as I posted, these guys are 100% RESPONSIBLE for how we ended up here.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on November 26, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
So I let him have it.

Derek, as a non-native English speaker, I really appreciate your periodical online language classes! Thanks to you, I've managed to expand my daily use vocabulary quite a bit in the past year. Today's introduction to boot-licking Trumpettes, peanut-basted fruitcakes and strawberry flavored condoms was worth the price of admission alone…  :D

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

No seriously, as I posted, these guys are 100% RESPONSIBLE for how we ended up here.

They have learnt something....but of course it has to be at someone elses cost because of their lack of respect for your authority on the subject and their own ..kin arrogance.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 26, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
Meet the nut job with $45K+ in the game

(https://imgur.com/wBun7wt.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on November 26, 2017, 02:38:08 PM
And then CIG crashes. All of that money gone. How do you go on from there and how did you get there in the first place? It's beyond me...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on November 26, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
And then CIG crashes. All of that money gone. How do you go on from there and how did you get there in the first place? It's beyond me...

You have to hope this person gives a lot of $ to charity....as well as lining CRoberts pockets.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: krylite on November 26, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
Quote
No seriously, as I posted, these guys are 100% RESPONSIBLE for how we ended up here.

His stream and others like him are also partially if not majorly responsible for the misled expectations, salt, and trolling and dissing of ED development and
the game itself on the ED forums imo. I was late following this mess, but I had seen FTR's pretentious videos for the past year. He's just a fugktard with a
stupid over-cussing stream now trying to appear blameless and hilariously even clueless about you being right for so long. I remember when he often dissed Elite: Dangerous
in comparison to Star Citizen's "future" glory in earlier streams. Then it was hilarious when he did his "refund" video a few months back trying to act all angrily justified
when all he really had was egg on his face for being so wrong and barking it up as the biggest fool. He said he refunded then lamely claims he still
"believes" SC would get made the way their ponzi marketing described it. Fools like him are ignorant young streaming twats of this yt generation
who don't value honesty and admit they wrong in a simple civilized debate turning it into a useless ego-drama war.

"Sniper Ghost Warrior 3" was the first "cryengine" game I played. And I can surely see now how it's extremely limited to the FPS framework and
supports that the SC ponzi has just been showing cryengine techdemo level ads over and over every year. It takes so freaking long to load a cryengine region/level,
while ED can load up in less than a tenth of the time. The "wow" looks of SC animations, and background don't look so impressive anymore after
seeing other cryengine made games. "DS was right"
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 27, 2017, 06:34:52 AM
Quote
No seriously, as I posted, these guys are 100% RESPONSIBLE for how we ended up here.

His stream and others like him are also partially if not majorly responsible for the misled expectations, salt, and trolling and dissing of ED development and
the game itself on the ED forums imo. I was late following this mess, but I had seen FTR's pretentious videos for the past year. He's just a fugktard with a
stupid over-cussing stream now trying to appear blameless and hilariously even clueless about you being right for so long. I remember when he often dissed Elite: Dangerous
in comparison to Star Citizen's "future" glory in earlier streams. Then it was hilarious when he did his "refund" video a few months back trying to act all angrily justified
when all he really had was egg on his face for being so wrong and barking it up as the biggest fool. He said he refunded then lamely claims he still
"believes" SC would get made the way their ponzi marketing described it. Fools like him are ignorant young streaming twats of this yt generation
who don't value honesty and admit they wrong in a simple civilized debate turning it into a useless ego-drama war.

He's a moron. These are the guys who think that after being dicks for so long, that seeing the light they're all of a sudden going to get a pass. Just wait; the shit's about to get real in the coming weeks. I can't say more than that - yet.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on November 27, 2017, 06:43:06 AM
Well, I'd like a heads-up. Like really, really like. So how about you PM me?  :smuggo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 27, 2017, 01:12:09 PM
I wrote this over on SA

Quote
It's nothing to do with that. For those of us who have developed multiplayer games, it almost always starts out as a single player session with stub code for all the networking bits which you later fill in. And that off-line mode is valuable for testing because without the actual data set earlier on, you have no idea how you need to streamline your code down the road.

And that's typically the problem that Star Citizen has. They somehow figured that - untouched - the baseline CryEngine network layer was adequate. It wasn't - as anyone who has played a CryEngine multiplayer game will tell you. But they decided, wtf, we're just going to make an MMO anyway.

Having done that, knowing that they're never - ever - getting an MMO out of this shit-show, they decided to focus on other things, while making minor to subtle revisions to the network layer in order to be able to actually come up with a proper client-server (FYI CryEngine base networking is peer-to-peer, but you can hack in a client-server model if you wanted to). It's how the PU came to be, whereby they were touting "persistence" despite the fact that there was nothing actually persistent (db store and pulls are not persistence) about it.

So, right now in 3.0, hype aside - with zero optimizations to their networking - each client in a serssion sends in excess of 4K bytes (I shit you not, fire up Wireshark and see) per second to the server. The server response is over 160K bytes - to every fucking client. This is only part of the reason why the server shits itself so frequently.

However, there is NO fixing their networking layer without ripping it all out. They know this - that's why they haven't touched it. And even though they have yet to switch to LumberYard's own implementation (LY deprecated the base CryEngine networking), even doing that won't help because that too wasn't designed for large scale networking.

The end result? As I've written over and over, they're never - ever - getting an MMO out of this. If they don't collapse in the short-term, and somehow limp (they won't - they're fucked, it's just not news yet) along putting bandaid on the PU until they shit out SQ42, the closest they're ever going to get to meaningful multiplayer, is precisely where they are right now, but with fewer clients.


Then someone sent me this...

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/petition-tell-us-about-state-of-network-code
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on November 27, 2017, 03:44:01 PM
DiscoLando says:
Quote
This is the kind of thing you can expect more updates on once patches with these updated systems (remember what is often referred to as "the Network Code Revamp" is actually improvements to several different systems alongside the addition of new ones that all work in conjunction with one other) go to Evocati/PTU/Live. It's when we get to put these systems into widespread practice that we'll begin to see the fruits of these labors, gauge how successful they are, and continue to iterate throughout the entire 3.x series of patches.

Soooo, they'll tell us about the status of the networking layer after it's already in the game? Useful. The entire 3.x series of patches you say. Remember when the networking fix was supposed to be in a long time ago? This is pathetic.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: David-2 on November 27, 2017, 03:59:07 PM
DiscoLando says:
Quote
The entire 3.x series of patches you say. Remember when the networking fix was supposed to be in a long time ago?

I thought the "networking fix" was supposed to be in and of itself what would make 3.0 the "Jesus patch".
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on November 27, 2017, 07:00:27 PM
It sounds like this will NEVER happen since so many other things are dependant on this, assuming it could be done it could take a year offline to do. That was my take on what was said. One year with no game, no income, no ship sales. They could not survive that. Again assuming that it COULD be done using Lumberyard and that appears unlikely.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on November 28, 2017, 10:05:42 AM
Just think of how incompetent one would have to be to reach the starry heights of croberts. How many ships have been reworked, some twice or more? How much effort has been put into making pointless animations or capturing useless motion data? Some things are completely unnecessarily detailed right now, and then you compare that against networking, which is barely past nonexistent.

A robust network setup should have been the first thing implemented after getting ships flying around, not the...87th thing.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: David-2 on November 28, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
Just think of how incompetent one would have to be to reach the starry heights of croberts. How many ships have been reworked, some twice or more? How much effort has been put into making pointless animations or capturing useless motion data? Some things are completely unnecessarily detailed right now, and then you compare that against networking, which is barely past nonexistent.

A robust network setup should have been the first thing implemented after getting ships flying around, not the...87th thing.

How much effort did he have to devote to squashing and humiliating subordinates who tried to point any of these things out before he sufficiently intimidated the rest into keeping their mouths shut?  Alternatively - how much work did he put into the hiring process to ensure the solid engineering thinkers didn't get in the door?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 28, 2017, 08:52:30 PM
Amid the controversy, CIG is now asking backers to brigade the highly controversial Reddit thread.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362664170254106624/385228762217971713/zMxIVsq.png)

Reported

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362664170254106624/385245989503631363/uhohzyloh.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 29, 2017, 06:21:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0pV2EmY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/jLHT1YZ.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on November 29, 2017, 05:07:46 PM
LOL!! You think?  :laugh: :supaburn:

The Star Citizen community has lost it's way (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7gekdy/the_star_citizen_community_has_lost_its_way/)

Meanwhile, over there

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7g7ler/well_shit_i_guess_you_guys_were_right/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on December 03, 2017, 06:17:50 AM
More hilarity as the SC sub reddit denizens turn on each other:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7h8r2r/i_hate_it_when_someone_says_its_been_6_years_in/

Some idiot (50 upvotes after 4 hours) is trying to argue that SC has actually been in development for 3.5 years. Even the zealots are finding fault with this one.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 03, 2017, 06:33:49 AM
More hilarity as the SC sub reddit denizens turn on each other:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7h8r2r/i_hate_it_when_someone_says_its_been_6_years_in/

Some idiot (50 upvotes after 4 hours) is trying to argue that SC has actually been in development for 3.5 years. Even the zealots are finding fault with this one.

Yeah, this pops up once in awhile. However, this time around, most are starting to fight back at the zealot cultists who keep downplaying the situation.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on December 03, 2017, 02:30:32 PM
More hilarity as the SC sub reddit denizens turn on each other:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7h8r2r/i_hate_it_when_someone_says_its_been_6_years_in/

Some idiot (50 upvotes after 4 hours) is trying to argue that SC has actually been in development for 3.5 years. Even the zealots are finding fault with this one.

The sequence  - as I understand it - is essentially

2011 - Development of Star Citizen (original) begins
2012 - October; Kickstarter launches
2013 - September; F42 incorporated
2013 - October 18; $23 million (the figure at which no outside investor is needed) raised
2015 - April, Foundry 42 Frankfurt created
2017 - January, 2.6 released
2017 - December, 3.0 released (presumed)


2011 to 2017, gives 6 years, heading onto 7. All that pre-production work? it counts as part of the game development.

I do note that there seems to be some confusion about when CIG was actually founded.
Some sites give a date of 2010, some of 2012. CIGs own site apparently once said 2011, but that page has been removed. I'd be inclined to go with 2010 myself as there had to be somebody doing the work in 2011 when development started.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: DemonInvestor on December 03, 2017, 03:01:02 PM
What always makes me wonder is how many people are arguing about it being X years since they started working on it, when the more interesting metric would be which first release estimate they'd given us.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on December 03, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
What always makes me wonder is how many people are arguing about it being X years since they started working on it, when the more interesting metric would be which first release estimate they'd given us.

It's more a matter that they don't like being reminded that they've waited 6 year for an unplayable, buggy pre alpha 3.0 - they can't bear the thought that the critics of the game might be right so they try to justify it to themselves - this is just the latest attempt to re-write history. The really interesting thing is that this stupid post has had 191 upvotes over the last 13 hours and now appears half way down the sub Reddit page. It has over 300 comments, but unusually for the SC Reddit almost all those comments are disagreeing with the original author, with only a handful defending it - not something I ever thought I'd see.

I think the reddit crowd might be finally waking up to the disaster that SC has become.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 04, 2017, 06:03:52 AM
More hilarity as the SC sub reddit denizens turn on each other:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7h8r2r/i_hate_it_when_someone_says_its_been_6_years_in/

Some idiot (50 upvotes after 4 hours) is trying to argue that SC has actually been in development for 3.5 years. Even the zealots are finding fault with this one.

The sequence  - as I understand it - is essentially

2011 - Development of Star Citizen (original) begins
2012 - October; Kickstarter launches
2013 - September; F42 incorporated
2013 - October 18; $23 million (the figure at which no outside investor is needed) raised
2015 - April, Foundry 42 Frankfurt created
2017 - January, 2.6 released
2017 - December, 3.0 released (presumed)


2011 to 2017, gives 6 years, heading onto 7. All that pre-production work? it counts as part of the game development.

I do note that there seems to be some confusion about when CIG was actually founded.
Some sites give a date of 2010, some of 2012. CIGs own site apparently once said 2011, but that page has been removed. I'd be inclined to go with 2010 myself as there had to be somebody doing the work in 2011 when development started.

In 2010 Chris was shopping the project around to publishers and investors, all of them told him to fuck off. Then by 2011, he was already working with the CryTek guys to build the launch trailer and assets, having decided to use their engine. They saw Chris Roberts name, and the chance to boost the profile of the engine, while making some money in the process.

The most hilarious thing is that all this argument about when it started, is meaningless and doesn't matter. What matters is that in 2012, he claimed that he could build the game for $2M and deliver it by Nov 2014 (+ 18 months leeway for delays, as per the TOS). He then extended the scope and by Nov 2014, had raised $65M.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 04, 2017, 09:48:48 AM
You know though, I think in full fairness CIG hadn't REALLY ramped up until Q1 of this year. So if you think about it, it's actually been in development less than a year!

Bravo CIG, looking good in such a short time period!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: DemonInvestor on December 04, 2017, 12:35:16 PM
You know though, I think in full fairness CIG hadn't REALLY ramped up until Q1 of this year. So if you think about it, it's actually been in development less than a year!

Bravo CIG, looking good in such a short time period!

They go to sleep in the night, meaning they've to ramping up their productivity every morning. Meaning they just started today  :smuggo:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 04, 2017, 01:43:07 PM
LOL!!

Star Citizen Defense Playbook:

Timeline Criticisms:

Bugs, Lack of Content Criticisms

Funding Model, Sales, Marketing Criticisms

General Rebuttals
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 04, 2017, 02:00:26 PM
Can we add? I'm missing Stop spreading FUD.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 04, 2017, 02:18:13 PM
*MOVED*

FailureToReport being open and honest about why he finally joined us on the dark side

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 04, 2017, 05:35:07 PM
Meanwhile, over on Spectrum

(https://i.imgur.com/mdG3k2V.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 04, 2017, 05:57:07 PM
LOL!! You think?  :laugh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/715v83/as_someone_whos_never_played_star_citizen_i_have/

(https://i.imgur.com/aVOr7hy.png)

Here, we can help you with that. It's amazing what you can see when you get through their echo chamber cult chamber.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/controversial/?sort=controversial&t=all
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 05, 2017, 05:35:23 AM
Star Citizen Defense Playbook:

* What are you talking about? I just spent <X> hours playing the game it's great/runs great/no bugs/perfectly smooth/amazing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7hhbae/failure_to_report_insight_on_the_cult_of_star/dqrunmh/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 05, 2017, 06:15:45 AM
Can we add? I'm missing Stop spreading FUD.

and even if the game isnt released I have already had my $ worth and then some
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 05, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Meanwhile, over on Spectrum

[img]https://i.imgur.com/mdG3k2V.png[img]

This is exactly what I think will get them in the end. The longer they go without releasing anything the worse it is for them. They've realized that so they're forcing out 3.0, but of course it's a piece of garbage so that isn't going to work either. They've finally painted themselves into a corner with their conflict of release schedule vs. stability. And since they're shit at both of those, there's no coming back.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 05, 2017, 10:24:19 AM
So Fuzzy Modem, the Star Citizen backer, finalist in their Next Great Starship competition, and a big fan of Sandi Gardiner, is finally off to jail for child abuse (http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/man-sentenced-for-abusing-child-for-six-years/article_b2416df6-d994-11e7-af9d-7f75f68c9db7.html).

And from the archives, this is Sandi Gardiner in 2014 for that competition, pretending (I didn't break the news until July 2015) she wasn't married to croberts

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 05, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
And from the archives, this is Sandi Gardiner in 2014 for that competition, pretending (I didn't break the news until July 2015) she wasn't married to croberts

I’ve grown so allergic to those Wavy Hands by now that my heart almost stops everytime someone else on screen makes a gesture.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: krylite on December 06, 2017, 01:37:16 AM
*MOVED*

FailureToReport being open and honest about why he finally joined us on the dark side


Yeah, some credit for waking up which is good for a sanity check. He fessed up at least as to why he didn't show a stream of the ptu and kept showing ED instead, because his own 3.0 run was unbearable for him to even stream where it would likely show how much more of an idiot he was up to now. :laugh: He also said at the end he's "done" doing SC videos, basically jumping ship and burning bridges while he still dissed ED in his comments in the prior video and no mention that Smart was right (shitty sore loser knocking on ED at the last) , and referred to and recommended /r/starcitizen_refunds like he just discovered it and no one else knew about it.  :lol:. "Shitizen through and through" his run. Now he's a yt nobody and good riddance.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 06, 2017, 08:34:07 AM
A blast from the past. Good times  :smuggo:

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: lurker_404 on December 06, 2017, 09:20:38 AM
... had a quick look on ebay today.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2mh8o6o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 06, 2017, 11:07:45 AM
2000+ comments. Ho Lee Crap!

Apparently my timelapse where not a single word is being said and only scenery is being shown is not advertiser friendly enough for youtube...this is a serious problem and small youtubers like me are having a hard time growing this way - Screenshot in comments (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7hp32w/apparently_my_timelapse_where_not_a_single_word/) - [04:11] (youtube.com)

These are truly hilarious :

(https://i.imgur.com/UhFz05i.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7hp32w/apparently_my_timelapse_where_not_a_single_word/dqt4xcs/)

(https://i.imgur.com/V3mR8nq.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7hp32w/apparently_my_timelapse_where_not_a_single_word/dqt6nvp/)

(https://i.imgur.com/oMpqzwg.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7hp32w/apparently_my_timelapse_where_not_a_single_word/dqtnohn/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 06, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
Well that's new. Apparently I work at Google now, so I'm totally responsible for this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7hwlzh/youtube_autoremoving_star_citizen_videos/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 06, 2017, 01:49:50 PM
$18K whale. Read the thread.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/938503865351229441
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 06, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
Even if it was for taxes in 2016, he can still ask for a refund now. And even do it again for taxes but now with a worthy goal.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 06, 2017, 01:59:17 PM
LOL. If your life has come to a point where you can't donate to a charitable organization but have to dump money into Star Citizen instead because… taxes, then you're truly f**ked!  :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 06, 2017, 02:14:49 PM
It's my understanding the charity route already had been filled to the max. So he's probably doing OK. Better than I am...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 06, 2017, 02:59:20 PM
It's my understanding the charity route already had been filled to the max. So he's probably doing OK. Better than I am...

Wait a moment – that brings up an interesting scenario:

Let's assume I buy a Completionist Package and get the tax deduction. The following year, I file for a SC refund to get said money back. Of course, the tax department doesn't know of this part. Then, rinse and repeat.

Would that work? Just thought of this because of how many times we've seen a sudden spike of Completionist purchases pop up on the funding tracker out of nowhere in the past. Maybe the reason for these wasn't (always) money laundering, but various people doing their annual little tax break routines?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 06, 2017, 03:00:28 PM
Yes, of course it would work. People do it all the time. Some of them are sitting in jail.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 07, 2017, 10:05:44 AM
Wait, I haven't taken much of a look at any SC purchase related stuff in a while. Why would you get a tax deduction for buying into a video game?
Does it count as 'investment' or something and you can get a deduction for investing? This doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 07, 2017, 10:57:11 AM
From Gorf. Ah yeah, those were good times.



This is the Livestream:

YOUTUBE: SuperNerdLand.... Plays? Star Citizen — Part 2 : Featuring TheStreetRoller & Derek Smart[/url][/b]


Part of what made it so funny to me was the slow burn of it all.

It was during a period of extreme goonfear. New goon Streetroller had come out of nowhere and delivered an unexpected critical blow with his refund counterattack. The gaming press then trained all their spotlights all on the subject, the general gaming public briefly cried out “WTF is this crap?”, and Zealots were lurking on SA and manning battlestations whenever Goons or Derek made a move.

1) Goon posts some new Star Citizen article in thread.
2) Other Goons make comments on article, a mix of seriousposts and shitposts.
3) Zealots (often from /DS) race to counter those comments and try to reframe debate narrative to “Derp Shart is a jealous hack (possibly under contract from Big Evil Publishers) watching Chris Roberts succeed as he never could and so in rage he doxxes Roberts kids and tells outrageous lies in hopes of destroying this incredible game that’s achieving the impossible daily. And all these negative comments are from Goons taking their orders from Derek who is their de facto leader now.”
4) Derek eventually joins the fray and the whole thing becomes a Warlord vs. Zealots slapfight producing hundreds of additional comment volleys.

So, against that backdrop...

I’d noticed an unfamiliar twitch stream that had an unusual number of viewers, so I posted the link in the thread. Several goons quickly jumped in to the chat on the stream, eventually including Streetroller, Major Tom / pgabz and many more. Derek hops into chat not long after — thereby making this now a full-on “Man your battlestations this is not a drill!” moment for the Zealotry.

Streetroller had only recently gotten his refund and was still doing a lot of interviews about it. Given all the bad press, the Goonfear, and the 24 hour a day /DS panic riot brigade, it was unsurprising to see Zealots quickly hopping on

Streetroller starts in livechat but he joins the voice chat around 69 minutes in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGp3hP_gZE&t=69m0s). At first he’s a little disengaged from the dialogue, I think perhaps because his attentions were distracted by Discord chat with Goons.

But he starts to get more engaged with the hosts and dropping some devastating fact bombs. And the whole thing slowly and surely gets nuttier and nuttier. It’s so incremental that it’s easy not to even see it — the absolute absurdity of all of it. But at some point around here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGp3hP_gZE&t=88m50s), as Streetroller is recounting TOS debates with MOMA (?) on SA, it just hit me “look at this LOOK AT THIS GAME why is anyone even pretending to defend this LOOK AT IT!” and I just exploded with laughter and I couldn’t stop. I was guffawing, half-choking with tears running down my face I was laughing so hard at the incongruity of it.

Anyway, Derek shows up in the voice stream for a good stretch, then checks out. James Brand eventually joins the dialogue a bit after Streetroller challenges him to join in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGp3hP_gZE&t=167m13s).

This is his arrival (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGp3hP_gZE&t=178m0s), only a few minutes after Derek leaves. And it, too, delivers huge laughs, in part because of the juxtaposition between totally straight-faces debate going on and the game itself being played live on screen and completely and totally falling apart. It’s just so bonkers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGp3hP_gZE&t=181m20s).
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 10, 2017, 08:35:44 AM
If you haven't been over to The Spectrum recently, oh boy. It's like a burning flame. I check-in once in awhile

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/meh-intensifies

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/eat-your-words-doubters

Meanwhile, over there...

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7it0s9/still_waiting/?st=jb0v5mfb&sh=3b111fd5
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 10, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
Quote: I've seen less bugs in the Amazon rain forest

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 10, 2017, 02:18:09 PM
This one is good

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/and-this-is-why-lti-doesn-t-mean-shiddldy-squat-fa/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 10, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
Evocati exit

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7ig4u2/1350_refund/?st=jb17q04l&sh=133919ff

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Thank you /r/starcitizen_refunds for providing me with the information I needed to ensure that I got this back.

I started this refund process around the time that 3.0 dropped to us in Evocati. After seeing it first hand and realizing it wasn't the dream patch that it was touted to be, I finally accepted that I wasn't going to be getting what was promised some years ago.

It might be worthy of a simple $60 someday, though.

As a related side note: I do admit that I have a problem when it comes to space games. I can't help myself and end up buying into the newest space game to play it early or just to help support them. Hopefully, this will finally break me of that habit.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 11, 2017, 09:48:02 AM
I'm intrigued by that line about how they submit manual refunds once a week. So they're definitely getting enough refund requests that they've implemented a process to batch them all into one day as opposed to a more ad hoc style.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 11, 2017, 11:20:11 AM
I'm intrigued by that line about how they submit manual refunds once a week. So they're definitely getting enough refund requests that they've implemented a process to batch them all into one day as opposed to a more ad hoc style.

Once a week is not enough. The moment they start doing daily batch runs to keep up with demand is the moment I'm looking forward to.  :10bux: :10bux:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 11, 2017, 11:43:38 AM
They don't have the money to do refunds in daily batches even if the demand was that high. It's nearly game over. All the signs are there.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 11, 2017, 03:12:38 PM
This 850+ point Reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7j297i/dayz_is_dead_four_years_in_early_access/dr3ef7y/) is about the death of DayZ, and how it compares to Star Citizen. You should read it.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 11, 2017, 05:03:57 PM
Yeah, that totally isn't a threat.

https://twitter.com/SandiGardiner/status/940366062956060672

(https://i.imgur.com/Do4p0yZ.jpg)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 11, 2017, 05:05:00 PM
It isn't a threat, it's fact  :D

I wonder if eventually somebody ships a horses head...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 12, 2017, 06:51:00 AM
Not sure if the latest FailureToReport video was shared yet. Man, look at those down votes  :laugh:

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: krylite on December 12, 2017, 05:08:36 PM
Not sure if the latest FailureToReport video was shared yet. Man, look at those down votes  :laugh:

 :laugh: his 'sarcasm' doubletalk videos and ticking off scores of ED fans in his prior two videos didn't seem to help, rather made things worse for his channel 'cred'.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 12, 2017, 07:14:44 PM
Yeah, he's never seeing his Reddit karma again.  :vince:

3.0 PTU is basically an HD No Man's Sky. Pretty visuals, yet no meaningful gameplay content. Most people here were bashing NMS to no end, yet everyone is giving SC a free pass? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7jbeuu/30_ptu_is_basically_an_hd_no_mans_sky_pretty/?st=jb4czfi7&sh=fe532f41)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 12, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
Looks like they've started preparing for the worse case scenario

What framerate will you be happy with once 3.0 goes live? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7j8mwh/what_framerate_will_you_be_happy_with_once_30/?sort=new)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 13, 2017, 12:38:42 AM
I'm starting to think Chris actually meant that every player has to run his own server in order to get the highest levels of fidelity. If you can't run your own server, this isn't a game for you  :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 13, 2017, 02:28:56 AM
I'm starting to think Chris actually meant that every player has to run his own server in order to get the highest levels of fidelity. If you can't run your own server, this isn't a game for you  :D

2019: A wealthy Chinese businessman and passionate Star Citizen backer shows off his server rig running the latest 3.0.1q-384772 patch in Evocati. „If you hop in immediately after reboot, you can get frame rates as high as 15 fps“ he gloats proudly. By the way, the Chinese inscription on the server reads „Derek Smart Was Right, But He’s Still an #%$&“.

(http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170522174852-06-supercomputers-sunway-taihulight-super-169.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: DemonInvestor on December 13, 2017, 04:08:44 AM
Looks like they've started preparing for the worse case scenario

What framerate will you be happy with once 3.0 goes live? (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7j8mwh/what_framerate_will_you_be_happy_with_once_30/?sort=new)

Sooo people really seem to like the sci-fi equivalent of "walking simulators", as long as they reach 30+ fps.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 13, 2017, 06:23:28 AM
I'm starting to think Chris actually meant that every player has to run his own server in order to get the highest levels of fidelity. If you can't run your own server, this isn't a game for you  :D

2019: A wealthy Chinese businessman and passionate Star Citizen backer shows off his server rig running the latest 3.0.1q-384772 patch in Evocati. „If you hop in immediately after reboot, you can get frame rates as high as 15 fps“ he gloats proudly. By the way, the Chinese inscription on the server reads „Derek Smart Was Right, But He’s Still an #%$&“.

(http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170522174852-06-supercomputers-sunway-taihulight-super-169.jpg)

 :five: :five: :five:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 13, 2017, 09:42:11 AM
It's mind blowing how much they're still going on about "BUT IT'S JUST IN ALPHA GUYS, STOP COMPLAINING". Like, is there some limit where they won't accept it anymore? I'm not even sure. (Never mind that it's maybe 20% of the way to being an alpha)

Maybe at 8 years and $200 million? 12 years and $500 million? We all know it won't last that long but it's just a thought experiment that these fanboys should take on. Is there any point at which you would doubt or is it full blown cult time?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 13, 2017, 12:01:34 PM
No backer can deny that CIG went with CryEngine. And no backer can deny that CryEngine just sued CIG. So this news will hit them hard. They can't shake this off that easily. And this landing just before the release of SQ42 news that probably won't contain much news at all will hit CIG hard. Very hard. Prepare for the final stage of the ELE guys. Hang on to your JPEGs hats!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on December 13, 2017, 12:18:16 PM
Merry Christmas, Chris!  This should make for one hell of a Holiday Livestream.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on December 13, 2017, 04:59:55 PM
Do you REALLY believe that CIG was going to release Squadron 42 or any playable part?  The Easter Bunny will be delivering your presents this year with Freddy Krueger.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 13, 2017, 05:02:21 PM
No backer can deny that CIG went with CryEngine. And no backer can deny that CryEngine just sued CIG. So this news will hit them hard. They can't shake this off that easily. And this landing just before the release of SQ42 news that probably won't contain much news at all will hit CIG hard. Very hard. Prepare for the final stage of the ELE guys. Hang on to your JPEGs hats!

The complaints in the lawsuit just scream "Bury me already. I'm done"
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: randomness on December 13, 2017, 05:12:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/V5xDO9v.png)

Jesus......
"Even if they breached a contract, I'll just throw them all the  :10bux: needed to settle. "
That's ...wow.... yikes.

Ok, you know what?  I was extremely skeptical about the "cult" thing, but no, that pretty much seals the deal for me. That's .... just wrong.
I'll 100% concede this: Derek Smart was right about them being a cult, cause I have no idea how that can make sense otherwise.
Talk about duckspeak.... :monocle:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 13, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
The sheer stupity of the remaining idiots, it's unbelievable. Just look (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7jmo1m/this_is_a_meritless_lawsuit_that_we_will_defend/)  :vince:

And every new Reddit thread about the lawsuit is getting deleted by the mods. Do they actually think that by not mentioning the lawsuit and just posting more topics of looky me doing nice and lovely SC stuff, it'll all automagically go away?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 13, 2017, 05:41:29 PM
Ok, you know what?  I was extremely skeptical about the "cult" thing, but no, that pretty much seals the deal for me. That's .... just wrong.
I'll 100% concede this: Derek Smart was right about them being a cult, cause I have no idea how that can make sense otherwise.
Talk about duckspeak.... :monocle:

Yeah, that's why you should be paying close attention to us who have had to deal with these nut jobs for going on 6 fucking years now.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 13, 2017, 05:45:56 PM
It's mind blowing how much they're still going on about "BUT IT'S JUST IN ALPHA GUYS, STOP COMPLAINING". Like, is there some limit where they won't accept it anymore? I'm not even sure. (Never mind that it's maybe 20% of the way to being an alpha)

Maybe at 8 years and $200 million? 12 years and $500 million? We all know it won't last that long but it's just a thought experiment that these fanboys should take on. Is there any point at which you would doubt or is it full blown cult time?

The sheep and baying cretins we all met in our school play grounds grew up,  but they are still sheep and baying cretins.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: krylite on December 13, 2017, 06:14:33 PM
I hope this is the beginning of the actual ELE end of SC. This idiotic ponzi fubar projrekt has been part of the reason for unhealthy misled expectations on the ongoing dev progress of ED. Somehow I doubt "Dual Universe" or "Everspace" are going to be used next successfully by the s***zen streamers to attempt to shame ED dev. When it all collapses , I imagine the case will bust out into a scam story worthy of an episode of "American Greed". Complete with all the skeletons coming out about the myriad shell firms and cross-transfering of funds complete with clawbacks lawyer rep as the authorities confiscate ill-gotten purchases funded by the whales, perhaps finding cash stuffed in the ground, luxury items thrown into a local lake etc. When the dust clears with everything exposed by the auditing, maybe Derek could do an item by item chronology of how much funds were wasted on each item and where in conjunction with each trailer ad, techdemo, ATV's etc.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on December 13, 2017, 07:26:37 PM
The latest line from the cultists is that Crytek is just a failing company looking for a quick cash grab without giving one thought about the irony of that statement as it applies nicely to CIG.

I feel sorry for all the CIG devs who didn't see this coming - not a great Christmas present. But then again, they'll be better off NOT working for Chris Roberts in the long run.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on December 13, 2017, 08:01:44 PM
I am certain that DS will do the ultimate tell all book after getting the interviews with the insiders (not managment, I wouldn't trust Sandy, Ben, Robbers or Ortwin to tell the truth) who worked there to give their recollections of the rants and fits Robbers threw or the office arguments, or the raging scuttlebut that was true. To the victor goes the spoils, and they get to write the history too. There won't be any money in it for Robbers to write his story, the lawsuit would probably attach any future earnings associates with this failed venture.

I am sure this lawsuit will be the extra bit of pressure needed to break the camel's back. Now the whales and cultists will bitch about how the leavers and goons set this up. They don't know that they set this up by continuing to fund that incompetent boob Chris Robbers beyond the initial amount requested.

Already I'm seeing posts where people are bleating out their hopes and dreams that someone will pick up the pieces and finish it once Robbers is gone. It's not that simple. If it were that easy Robbers would have retired to Bora Bora by now.

How quickly they turn on their savior... It's tough being a messiah.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 15, 2017, 06:33:45 AM
awwww, I feel so special

I feel bad about feeling good over the Star Citizen dumpster fire. (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7jumht/i_feel_bad_about_feeling_good_over_the_star/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on December 15, 2017, 09:12:58 AM
The latest line from the cultists is that Crytek is just a failing company looking for a quick cash grab without giving one thought about the irony of that statement as it applies nicely to CIG.

I feel sorry for all the CIG devs who didn't see this coming - not a great Christmas present. But then again, they'll be better off NOT working for Chris Roberts in the long run.

Taking the other side for a change...

Things do look bleak for CIG right now.
It does appear as if they have done everything CryTek have accused them of.
And CryTek has other arguments open to it...look at the way CIG poached CryTek developers so they could illegally modify CryEngine far beyond the bounds of their license and try to appropriate it as THEIR IP called StarEngine.......or so the argument could go.

However...it MUST be remembered that CIG have not produced their defence yet. They might have one. Leonard French suggested using "misunderstood" for the copyright infringement for example.

And the law being the law, CIG might just have a loophole.

It might also be the case that CryTek might agree to settle for a "reasonable" sum and protection of their IP. Or that CIG might have enough money and support to continue development afterwards.

Granted...none of that seems likely NOW, but it can't be ruled out
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 15, 2017, 11:05:34 AM
That didn't last long

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7k03ga/apology_thread_for_derek_smart_and_sentient/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 15, 2017, 11:11:44 AM
I'm starting to think Chris actually meant that every player has to run his own server in order to get the highest levels of fidelity. If you can't run your own server, this isn't a game for you  :D

2019: A wealthy Chinese businessman and passionate Star Citizen backer shows off his server rig running the latest 3.0.1q-384772 patch in Evocati. „If you hop in immediately after reboot, you can get frame rates as high as 15 fps“ he gloats proudly. By the way, the Chinese inscription on the server reads „Derek Smart Was Right, But He’s Still an #%$&“.

(http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170522174852-06-supercomputers-sunway-taihulight-super-169.jpg)

 :five: :five: :five:

Just in case you wondered, this is the guy (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7k047s/apology_thread_for_derek_smart_and_sentient/drajqmf/)  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 15, 2017, 11:21:31 AM
Just in case you wondered, this is the guy (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7k047s/apology_thread_for_derek_smart_and_sentient/drajqmf/)  :laugh:

 :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on December 15, 2017, 06:28:52 PM
This 850+ point Reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/7j297i/dayz_is_dead_four_years_in_early_access/dr3ef7y/) is about the death of DayZ, and how it compares to Star Citizen. You should read it.
It perfectly described the reasons why I never touch Early Access games ever again after Star Citizen. Every time some outlet tries to promote $GAME to me as the hottest shit to be finished in two years, I just tell them to come back when it's finished. And guess what: 99 % of that "exciting" stuff including the game and developer is long forgotten, when the due date finally arrives.

Also it doesn't only affect games honestly sold as unfinished and "still in progress". There are also games, which share the same problems, like Elite Dangerous, but are sold on disc for consoles next to fully finished games.

This is an "Early-Access" game, which will cease operation by end of 2017 and shut down its servers: http://store.steampowered.com/app/271290/HAWKEN/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 17, 2017, 08:52:55 AM
LOL!! wait till he finds out that what they're showing next week is just another trailer

Unless SQ42 looks amazing, I'm fed up. Going to refund my $2530 package and move on from this mess. (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7kbs82/anyone_else_refunding_if_sq42_looks_shit/?st=jbaqqt01&sh=843a289b)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 17, 2017, 11:09:36 AM
what they're showing next week is just another trailer


I suppose it is better than just showing a toilet trader..

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: David-2 on December 17, 2017, 12:29:56 PM
I suppose it is better than just showing a toilet trader..

I think you're confused.  Toilet trading is part of the cargo career in Star Citizen, not the FPS SQ42.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 17, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
I think you're confused.  Toilet trading is part of the cargo career in Star Citizen, not the FPS SQ42.

I reckon with a bit of digging we could find an SC org organised around cottaging but yes,  now you mention it, there is not much time for that in an FPS.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 18, 2017, 05:04:00 AM
Most upvoted right now. Wait till the Citizens Defense Force shows up this morning

Please do not go live (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7kjakn/please_do_not_go_live/)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 18, 2017, 05:49:07 AM
Requested my refund of $3470 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7keujb/requested_my_refund_of_3470/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: justme on December 18, 2017, 06:18:08 AM
and he is totally right.
the actual patch is a collection of every former bug.
i really had sessions with 50+fps in one of the latest patches,
but ending with 6fps after 1-2hours.

atm i'm happy to get stable 10+fps, and nothing works fine.
airlocks don't work, ships are spawning without components
and you can claim them as much as u want and if it is with
components, it is hard to reach them within time. the despawning
rate is way to low.

in several trys i only could start twice a ship and after this, the
game crashed. this is even worst, than the first open ptu patch.

also yesterday it was said by cig, that they won't reroll the patch.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 19, 2017, 08:06:40 AM
Jeffrey McArthur passed away on Friday in Exton PA, aged 61.

Jeffrey was a gamer. Like the in game battles he so often engaged in, he also had a furious long battle with cancer, which only came back aggressively. His last video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYWQ86QQ-0Q). RIP old chap. See you on the other side.

This was the video:


Someone on SA wrote up this short blurb about him.


An avid gamer and geek through and through, Jeffrey was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer in December 2015 and came to our attention early in 2016 when he made a video asking if he "was too stupid to play Star Citizen", which resulted in him facing abuse from some of the more toxic members of the SC fanbase.

After undergoing surgery and chemotherapy, a CT scan in July 2016 showed his cancer to be gone, and he continued working and making many videos on his hobbies, gaming, computers, and Dungeons & Dragons.

In August this year, another CT scan showed his colon cancer had returned and spread, eventually metastasizing to his stomach. With a prognosis of only a 50% chance of surviving to the end of the year, Jeffrey decided not to undergo chemotherapy again, chosing to enjoy what time he had left to live without suffering the side effects that chemo had on his senses.

Jeffrey faced his death with immense grace and dignity, and I am very grateful to him for sharing his story with us along the way.

Rest in peace, Jeffrey.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 19, 2017, 06:03:12 PM
I'm incredibly embarrassed to admit it but $12,800.00... I had a gambling issue before and I guess CIG became my new addiction. It was money I didn't have, I was stupid and I've learned my lesson since then (including having therapy). (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7ku7y0/the_journey_continues/)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 20, 2017, 09:43:35 AM
Good on that guy. I know the most tragic part of this whole situation is the whales who are throwing in money that they can't actually afford. I think it really is one of those situations where the culty atmosphere just makes it seem 'normal' to put $10,000+ into a video game, and then before you know it you're in debt all over the place.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 20, 2017, 09:46:58 AM
Good on that guy. I know the most tragic part of this whole situation is the whales who are throwing in money that they can't actually afford. I think it really is one of those situations where the culty atmosphere just makes it seem 'normal' to put $10,000+ into a video game, and then before you know it you're in debt all over the place.

Yeah, indeed. Did you watch my GTL stream (https://www.facebook.com/GameTalkLive/videos/2079980148897050) the other day, where I was saying that some of these guys were treating this like they were buying trading cards?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: justme on December 20, 2017, 03:35:03 PM

that's why :D
but maybe the wrong topic :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 20, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
LOL!! This is hilarious

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/211225098?t=27m09s
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 20, 2017, 06:16:10 PM
Meanwhile, over there

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7l3292/introducing_the_tumbril_tank/drj9i3x/

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First land claim now tanks.

1) This was supposed to be a SPACEGAME

2) This was supposed to be released in 2014

3) This was NOT supposed to burn pledge money in a lawsuit against Crytek which we backers are not supposed to talk about ... BECAUSE it's not our money burned (anymore)

4) Ship sales were supposed to be stopped on relaese (which was supposed to be in2014) Now we have land (claim) sales and tank sales

And still this screwed up community in this brainwashed reddit is fine with that. Go love yourselfs, when they sell you virtual loot boxes - because of incompentence to implement them ingame.

Stop lying, advertising, milking and scripting and get actually something done!

Edit: Downvote suckers, just downvote, it won't deliver a fucking game!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: AncoGaming on December 20, 2017, 07:05:17 PM
I like that guy, whoever he is. He's honest, he's had enough, everyone can tell, and I personally fully respect that.

"Stop lying, advertising, milking and scripting and get actually something done!"

---> That's what I'm saying since 2015, I've asked everyone to stop giving CIG money ever since. But hey, I can't force anyone, I can just say how I see things and be happy when someone is allowed to use their brain.

It's sad enough that these things go out to Reddit because you'd get banned on Sprectrum if you would ever post concerns like these. Personally, I don't believe in God and think that any kind of religion is only there to keep people in check. But this, exactly this is the same mechanics as the church used about 700 years ago to maintain power. Remember what happened to them? Nothing. People still find the church attractive, even without Jpegs, it's just a believe system. So is Star Citizen.

Excuse me please when I crossed some borders with this statement, I don't mind anyone believing in anything, I am fine with you folks, whatever makes you happy. I just stated the obvious, no offence.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 21, 2017, 04:46:26 AM
I like that guy, whoever he is. He's honest, he's had enough, everyone can tell, and I personally fully respect that.

"Stop lying, advertising, milking and scripting and get actually something done!"

---> That's what I'm saying since 2015, I've asked everyone to stop giving CIG money ever since. But hey, I can't force anyone, I can just say how I see things and be happy when someone is allowed to use their brain.

It's sad enough that these things go out to Reddit because you'd get banned on Sprectrum if you would ever post concerns like these. Personally, I don't believe in God and think that any kind of religion is only there to keep people in check. But this, exactly this is the same mechanics as the church used about 700 years ago to maintain power. Remember what happened to them? Nothing. People still find the church attractive, even without Jpegs, it's just a believe system. So is Star Citizen.

Excuse me please when I crossed some borders with this statement, I don't mind anyone believing in anything, I am fine with you folks, whatever makes you happy. I just stated the obvious, no offence.

Religion is there because humans are susceptible to it in its various guises.

Once they are indoctrinated they can be manipulated in various ways to ends both relatively good and bad.    But there is no evidence of global conspiracy.

Backers are being manipulated using the same levers.


This quote by Sam Harris could be applied to Star Citizen...just replace the example with whatever JPEG or bullshit story CRoberts comes up with to make more $.

"“Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him, or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence what so ever.”

― Sam Harris, The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on December 21, 2017, 05:53:17 AM
It's sad enough that these things go out to Reddit because you'd get banned on Sprectrum if you would ever post concerns like these. Personally, I don't believe in God and think that any kind of religion is only there to keep people in check. But this, exactly this is the same mechanics as the church used about 700 years ago to maintain power. Remember what happened to them? Nothing. People still find the church attractive, even without Jpegs, it's just a believe system. So is Star Citizen.

Well, it's mostly people trapped in a spiritual void, who join cults or sects like Star Citizen to seek salvation.

That void is no accident. The West has gone through a process of replacing church and faith with "enlightenment" through consumerism to make capitalism work "better". You just have to look at what madness happens at Christmas (an previously religious festivity) to know what is going on.

CIG exploits that at full speed. From a theological standpoint, it's just Lucifer's gang grabbing souls in an evil Ponzi scheme. Humans have free will and therefore can choose to spend $30k of their kid's college fund on virtual JPEGs instead of taking their issues to a pastor or priest.

Of course, that doesn't justify CIG exploiting poor loners on disability and for that everyone there will go straight to hell. So much for the state of affairs from that point of view.

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Excuse me please when I crossed some borders with this statement

It's okay, we can handle this. :D Everything going on this planet serves a purpose. Even Scam Citizen.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 21, 2017, 07:08:02 AM
Everything going on this planet serves a purpose.

No, it doesn't. There is absolutely no point in being alive. No matter how you look at it, our existence is meaningless and pointless. There is nothing "higher" about it.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 22, 2017, 04:28:31 AM
Chris is a shepherd..


Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 22, 2017, 04:35:31 AM
No, it doesn't. There is absolutely no point in being alive. No matter how you look at it, our existence is meaningless and pointless. There is nothing "higher" about it.

Our existence is meaningful for ourselves.

There appears to be no "higher" purpose or point.

That doesn't mean there isn't one but it isn't rational to make one up or build one based on poor evidence.

Unless of course you are a Star Citizen backer.



Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 22, 2017, 08:25:56 AM
You know things are BAD when one of your dedicated streamers starts writing blogs (https://medium.com/@baron_52141/star-citizen-delays-as-a-content-creator-98c5235adf4e). This is the most sad and pathetic thing I have ever read regarding this project.

My Twitter thread (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/944226021083090944)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on December 22, 2017, 08:33:55 AM
He's beyond delusional.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: DemonInvestor on December 22, 2017, 09:13:56 AM
You know things are BAD when one of your dedicated streamers starts writing blogs (https://medium.com/@baron_52141/star-citizen-delays-as-a-content-creator-98c5235adf4e). This is the most sad and pathetic thing I have ever read regarding this project.

My Twitter thread (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/944226021083090944)

Everything i need to know about that guy, is that he's from Marketing. I could rant about marketing guys and their intelligence insulting marketing bullshit for months. Sadly people really fall for their bullshit.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 22, 2017, 09:21:33 AM
In a delicious bit of irony, I think it's clear that he doesn't know a damn thing about game development if he thinks this is par for the course.
That list of games is very nice, but in their 6th year of development those games were wrapping up final touches or heading into their final year of development. Star Citizen is at the same point and they're not even midway through development.

Let's imagine they have infinite money. This thing still wouldn't be 'done' until at least a decade of development. What a crackpot.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on December 22, 2017, 09:40:51 AM
In a delicious bit of irony, I think it's clear that he doesn't know a damn thing about game development if he thinks this is par for the course.
That list of games is very nice, but in their 6th year of development those games were wrapping up final touches or heading into their final year of development. Star Citizen is at the same point and they're not even midway through development.

Let's imagine they have infinite money. This thing still wouldn't be 'done' until at least a decade of development. What a crackpot.
If your company gets sued, it's almost Game Over.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 22, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Everything i need to know about that guy, is that he's from Marketing. I could rant about marketing guys and their intelligence insulting marketing bullshit for months. Sadly people really fall for their bullshit.

Er no.

There are some very bright and able people working in Marketing.

This chump isn't one of them !

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 22, 2017, 11:24:49 AM
He's probably confusing Sales with Marketing.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Bubba on December 22, 2017, 01:29:26 PM
Well, if he thinks he could have had a job as a creative where he never had to worry about the next paycheck his whole life,  he's living in the wrong century.

Anyway, I like how he claims cig has far more content than what they show publicly - just trust him on that - and then says that this is the most transparent game development process ever.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: helimoth on December 22, 2017, 01:48:03 PM
In a delicious bit of irony, I think it's clear that he doesn't know a damn thing about game development if he thinks this is par for the course.
That list of games is very nice, but in their 6th year of development those games were wrapping up final touches or heading into their final year of development. Star Citizen is at the same point and they're not even midway through development.

Let's imagine they have infinite money. This thing still wouldn't be 'done' until at least a decade of development. What a crackpot.

Another thing they fail to mention is that those games were made by studios who time their releases carefully. A product could be almost done by year 4 but if they had other huge releases panned for that year but none for the following then u can bet that game gets shelved for a year and excess developers pulled off it. CIG have no such considerations to make - 6 years for pre alpha is a joke and they should be ashamed.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: DemonInvestor on December 22, 2017, 04:09:32 PM
Er no.

There are some very bright and able people working in Marketing.

This chump isn't one of them !

I never said there aren't bright and able people in marketing. I won't even say, that they on average are bad. But in that case we're specifically speaking about someone tallking to, what we can assume, are his customers. So awaiting any information not specifically framed to impress the picture of a bright future and a-okay present, is imho naive.
And about the whole "bright and able" - yes Bernie Madoff was also bright and able, and his spin of the actual situation fooled many bright and able persons - that doesn't mean i can't rant about the whole thing.
So to end on with a quote, regarding my last post, which often makes me smile - "Generalizations are always wrong"; some professor.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 23, 2017, 06:20:53 AM
Gorf updated his chart

(https://i.imgur.com/15rgUVQ.png)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: randomness on December 23, 2017, 05:01:28 PM
Saw this on SA  and just HAD to get in my 2 cents:
(https://i.imgur.com/WLGPsV3.png)

If  anyone actually believes this, you don't get to call yourself a gamer in any way shape or form. You're a douche who buys a  :10bux: :10bux: :10bux: pc so he can rub himself off to HD Crysis screenshots. The same way a guy who spends 10 k putting SOLID GOLD rims and a big honking spoiler on his car is not a "car enthusiast", he is , once again, a douche.

The attitude that  "games are about TECH, and LOOKING BREATHTAKING and COMPLEXITY" is what actually contributed to the decline (not death lol) of PC gaming....
Games..... get this....... are about gameplay. 
Do you really think that?   
Tell that to Minecraft.
Tell that to Undertale.
or Cuphead.
or Factorio.

In the Squadron 42 demo I saw:
-A dialogue system with less options  than Fallout 4.
-An interface taken out of a low quality MMO with :"hold down ALT to display cursor on screen to click on things"
-Cinematics that interject DIRECTLY into the gameplay AND take you out of first person, which I assume are non-skippable.
-Cover based FPS combat out of literally every single FPS out there. Oh and in the future, you wield a gun that shoots bullets.
-"Carry [block of power] to [empty socket with no power] to turn on power. Like in Dead Space. LITERALLY like in Dead Space. Well, not literally, you do it with telekinesis in Dead Space.
-Use this tool with 1 function to bypass door. Lockpick, cutting torch, breach charge, etc.
-Pre animated stealth takedowns.

Care to tell me which of those is gonna save gaming ?



Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on December 24, 2017, 12:07:10 PM
That is an absolutely cringe worthy post. I can't believe he's not embarrassed to have that attached to his name. This is like a non-ironic version of that Rick and Morty copypasta.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he has a Pepe avatar.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Soulmatic on December 24, 2017, 12:37:41 PM
Btw, his username "Chikatilo" refers to a famous Soviet serial killer. Lookup "Andrei Chikatilo" on wikipedia.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 24, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
My "STUPIDITY OVERLOAD" fuse blew when I read the part about asking an NPC, getting a gun (or not), and the leap in gaming technology this represents.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 24, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
That is an absolutely cringe worthy post. I can't believe he's not embarrassed to have that attached to his name. This is like a non-ironic version of that Rick and Morty copypasta.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he has a Pepe avatar.

He's a shill moron. He appeared on my Discord server shortly before posting that. He was shredded.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 25, 2017, 02:23:05 PM
Meanwhile over at FDdev, MTBFritz has written another one of his epic efforts posts (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/396642-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v8?p=6243474&viewfull=1#post6243474)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on December 26, 2017, 09:00:24 AM
MTBFritz's post is excellent and and well spoken and conveys similar thoughts I have concerning SC.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on December 26, 2017, 02:26:04 PM
WOW, Epic. Perhaps it could have been edited a bit for brevity but I applaud his effort and intent.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 27, 2017, 12:33:02 PM
Star Citizen, where the only things persistent, are the bugs (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7mgcl2/psa_there_is_a_bug_in_pu_that_is_persistent_and/)

Meanwhile, this guy posted in the hive about getting a refund. The comments are, well, go look (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7mf34i/possible_to_get_a_refund/?st=jbpfsr1o&sh=291e9277). #notacult


Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 27, 2017, 02:19:14 PM
LOL!! The Shillizen who backed out of debating (he would have been crushed, of course) me live on @GameTalkLive a few weeks ago, is back again. It's cringe-worthy and hilarious.  :bahgawd:

They're all doing disaster control, following the 3.0 disaster release

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Greggy_D on December 27, 2017, 02:53:49 PM
He is such a POS liar.  He says "they have met every single stretch goal.  Everything you see here is done" at 11:05.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 27, 2017, 03:07:04 PM
He is such a POS liar.  He says "they have met every single stretch goal.  Everything you see here is done" at 11:05.

Yeah, I was actually aghast when he said that.

I left him a message. I'm probably getting banned.

Quote
Derek Smart
2 seconds ago
I have a question. Were you drunk when @ 11:05 you claimed that they had met every stretch goal?

You see, this is why we keep track, and why only devout backers need pay ANY attention to what you guys ( have a vested interest in lying) have to say. This is a COMPLETE list of everything Chris promised. Even discounting 3.0, they haven't even made it to 18% completed yet. After 6 yrs and $175M.

https://starcitizentracker.github.io/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on December 27, 2017, 06:41:28 PM
Just finished the SC video from Montoya which is very disingenuous on the completion aspect of the game. If SC should ever collapse I hope a very in-depth legal investigation takes places concerning the backers money.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on December 28, 2017, 06:06:14 AM
Just finished the SC video from Montoya which is very disingenuous on the completion aspect of the game. If SC should ever collapse I hope a very in-depth legal investigation takes places concerning the backers money.

He strikes me as a bit thick however, as he possesses some presentation skills and is outgoing, too many people think he knows what he is talking about.

A certain type of  "gobshite" as they are known in the North of England !
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 28, 2017, 06:53:59 AM
A certain type of  "gobshite" as they are known in the North of England !

LOL!! Yeah, that actually did cross my mind :)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on December 28, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
He strikes me as a bit thick however, as he possesses some presentation skills and is outgoing, too many people think he knows what he is talking about.

A certain type of  "gobshite" as they are known in the North of England !

From my experience the zealots never let the facts get in the way of their adoration for Star Citizen. #Notacult
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 28, 2017, 08:19:33 AM
From my experience the zealots never let the facts get in the way of their adoration for Star Citizen. #Notacult

Indeed.

I went back to his video to read the comments when someone alerted me to the fact that he responded to me. The comments are savage.

Of course, no Star Citizen discussion would be complete without the obligatory "Where is Line Of Defense"  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 28, 2017, 08:30:46 AM
Scott Manley takes on 3.0, and the comments are everything you expect

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 28, 2017, 03:58:49 PM
Scott Manley takes on 3.0, and the comments are everything you expect

At 0:19, this struck me (and the same asset is also visible a bit later in a bookshelf in the office):

(https://i.imgur.com/xlWDEGU.jpg)

The book "Compilers - Principles, Techniques and Tools" (aka the "Dragon Book", standard reading in any CS curriculum) has nothing to do with space, yet can't be lying there by chance… at the cargo desk, of all places!

I wonder: is this like the leaflets pleading for help from within some Chinese prison factory, which used to find their way into Western consumer goods and into the media?

Maybe this is a hidden message of despair from some poor grinding CIG dev forced to stay in the office over Christmas?  Very strange!  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 29, 2017, 02:03:40 AM
No, it's a message from the AI system that it needs improving.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 29, 2017, 05:42:08 AM
No, it's a message from the AI system that it needs improving.

 :vince:
 :five: :five: :five:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 29, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
Yeah, I was actually aghast when he said that.

I left him a message. I'm probably getting banned.

So after creating an attack video against MassivelyOP, and I called him out on Twitter (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/946128633843929088.html), he did this

https://testsquadron.com/threads/help-derek-smart-is-attacking-me-on-twitter-d.12571/

There you will find the usual threats of violence, death etc. Over a frigging video game.

(https://i.imgur.com/wYKcmJf.jpg)

And that Talonsbane guy is a whale https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizens/Talonsbane
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 29, 2017, 11:39:07 AM
Mine was made decades ago. So someone has taken up the mantle and made one for Chris Roberts

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Bubba on December 29, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
I'm SHOCKED that you'd h4xx0r the guy with your 1337 google skillz and doxx her or him, revealing his citizen record! Is nobody safe?

The desktop commander thing is kinda a sacred piece of Internet lore, though. I'm not sure there can be a worthy replacement...  At least I haven't seen one.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on December 29, 2017, 03:27:32 PM
I'd say that by doing a remake of the Desktop Commander thing, they're paying more tribute to Derek than to Chris. Chris should be thankful that somebody thought him worthy of his own Desktop Commander clip. Very, very, very thankful actually. Being copied being the best kind of flattering of course.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on December 29, 2017, 09:16:36 PM
Talonsbane is very mean spirited person for the death remark and the same for those that liked the post. I do not wish any physical harm on Chris or any of those that work with him. I would like to see legal action taken to expose the finances which could harm Chris financially. But if Chris and his relatives used the money inappropriately then its self inflicted.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 30, 2017, 01:06:07 PM
Talonsbane is very mean spirited person for the death remark and the same for those that liked the post. I do not wish any physical harm on Chris or any of those that work with him. I would like to see legal action taken to expose the finances which could harm Chris financially. But if Chris and his relatives used the money inappropriately then its self inflicted.

It's not new. I get death and violence threats all the time. In fact, Twerk17 a streamer, also did the same thing some months back.

http://dereksmart.org/bin/16-11-05_twerk17gaming_stabbed_comment.webm
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 30, 2017, 01:32:24 PM
This Concierge citizen was threatened with a ban for talking about the Crytek lawsuit on Spectrum. So he made a video.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/947152002764730369.html

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 30, 2017, 04:32:05 PM
LOL!! Easily the most hilarious Star Citizen video so far.

Guy loads up the game, while waiting for it to load, he goes off to play with his dog.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on December 30, 2017, 09:57:47 PM


Guy loads up the game, while waiting for it to load, he goes off to play with his dog.

This should be possible in-game, for example as a mini quest on the loading screen.

Also, selling virtual pets, food and pet  care services/insurance in the game could significantly boost CIGs income. While waiting for building mechanics to be implemented, players should at least be able to chase their dogs around on their virtual land plots.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 31, 2017, 07:17:25 AM
Meanwhile, over there (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/396642-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v8?p=6253216&viewfull=1#post6253216)



Mucka

You bring up a lot of interesting points in your post above.

Interesting...but, as with all the other supporters before you who made the dame arguments, wrong.

Shall I try to cover them one by one?

Well...OK then. But only some.

You say people here have "zero technical knowledge or programming background."

That is wrong. Many of the people here are programmers, coders, developers, network engineers or the like.

It isn't we who are embarrassing ourselves. Its people like you who come into the debate and presume to tell us we don't have a clue about how to do our jobs who are embarrassing yourselves.

Do you guys have a script on what to say and which points to raise?

You claim you tried to explain "how the PG tech was superior to ED"...

The trouble is that wouldn't be difficult. Procedural generation is relatively easy. The difficulty is often in hiding the patterns and providing a sufficient degree of variation.

The problem with your argument that SC PG is better than that of EDs is that so far there is very little proof of that.

That cityscape demo was impressive. Right up until you realised there was 1...a great deal of repetition in assets and 2...it was crafted using a different engine and wasn't representative of what is or would be in game. The moons of 3.0 have the same issues....they look pretty, but there is a LOT of repetition in the assets, the pattern generator needs improving as you can visually see the layout used and the moons themselves are heavily handcrafted.

It is difficult to argue PG is better in SC when it isn't really used to do anything except create a couple of spheres.

The S42 demo? Is it a failure?

Well...you fell for it so obviously not. It did its job.

I saw six years of work boiled down to an interactive movie with poor combat capabilities, and an urgent need to have the graphics updated. I saw performance problems, poor sound design and mediocre gameplay.

The music was good and...up close...the planets looked good.

As for being a preAlpha...finally. How long have you guys been referring to this as an Alpha build?

But again you get things wrong. I don't think the demo was a failure because it was polished...and contrary to your assertion, CIG put a lot of effort polishing that demo...but because it demonstrated very poor game design. Technical issues can be fixed...sound and graphics can be changed. Game design and mechanics are in some ways difficult to change.

I will agree that the amazing tech Chris Roberts promised is being ignored. I look forward to the day he actually adds some to the game.

You guys backed him do he could add this tech. The least he could do is add something.

And yes...it is difficult to appreciate the ground breaking nature of being able to walk around a capital ship or fly fighters. It was impressive in SWG and it still looked good when CODIW did it.

But I think you are overly impressed by the lack of a loading screen. Streaming data into memory has been around since the days of the Spectrum and C64.

Technically....SC will be loading in map data in the same way games like ED and WOW does. The only question will be how well it will hide that loading process in a real world environment...thousands of players, hundreds of servers with dozens of instances.

You think CIG will be able to exert as tight a control on the process as they do now when the game is released and "live"?

ED went the way it did because FDev did not want to be saddled with the huge costs a client-server setup would entail. Running Star Citizen is not going to be cheap. A server-client model does offer a number of advantages....but its also costlier.

Would this be a good time to point out that EDs instances are about the same size as those of SCs and cheaper to run? No?

Does ED have the same tech as Star Citizen?
Nope. FD have a working engine and a finished game. CIG have neither.
Does Star Citizen have a greater scope than ED?
Curently? No. EDs is bigger.
What about later? When SC goes live? What about then?
Nope...the scope of both games will be about the same. Assuming CIG gets its stuff running.

You also seem to be operatibg under the delusion that CIG is developing new tech. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to what this may be?

As it is....I can say the game has failed. CIGs own developers are saying they reached the limits of what their engine can do and the game is nowhere near ready for release.

CIG either need to switch engines to one that is capable or cut down on the fidelity, content and feature list.

Like you I am confident that performance will increase.

Until CIG adds something new and breaks the fixes. The engine cannot handle the game...and that isn't a problem you can fix by waving a magic wand.

As it is....noone here really wants Star Citizen to fail. Why should we?

We just are not blinded by the "Cult of Roberts" into believing everything he says. I don't believe everything EA or Activision say...why should I treat CIG any different?

More to the point...we come back to your opening point and the supposition that we know nothing about development.

Sadly...many of us DO understand. Which is why we can see the writing on the wall.

This game appears to be in serious trouble. CIGs own devs are stating the engine has reached the limits of its capabilities. Judging by the videos and performance issues and all the little and not so little glitches and CIGs inability to fix these problems....I'd agree. CIGs is fixing one problem by causing three more. They've been trying for more than a year to fix performance issues and the problem isn't getting better. Its getting worse with every patch.

The game is sinking. Most here can see that. The only question is how long will CIGs work keep the game afloat.

They are currently using band aids to mend a gusher. Something will have to give soon.

Before you respond, I'd advise you to learn something about the development process yourself and then turn a critical eye to CIG. Most of the problems affecting SC are the result of decisions made by CIG and their incompetence
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on December 31, 2017, 08:35:20 AM
It just gets better (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/396642-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v8?p=6253944&viewfull=1#post6253944)



Quote
I'm personally not aware of any game that's achieved what CIG is trying to achieve with SC. ED comes close, but their plan is to spread it out over a longer period - CIG want most of what ED will have in future content, to be at release.

This nonsense again.

Many many many games have achieved what CIG is trying to achieve. From old games long forgotten (Star Flight) to old obscure DOS games made by one dude (Noctis IV) to modern quality khantent from indies, big time devs, and one russian guy (Space Engine, Space Engineers, KSP, Elite Dangerous, No Man's Sky, Rodina, Hellion...).

Of course, the usual SC (type 10) Defender's response is two fold, here I'll make it for you:

"But it's never been done with this high quality graphics."
"But it's never been done all together in one game."

Let's break these two claims down and figure out why both these arguments fail.

The quality of graphics - Do not matter. Seriously, they don't, in relation to how long it takes to implement basic features such as a good flight model, the ability to walk without falling through the floor, and the like. The prettiness of it is handled typically by the artists and the engine. The artists make the assets and the engine renders them and applies all the nice shaders and lighting. At no point does this stop Joe Physicsguyman from fixing the fact that I keep getting my head stuck in the ceiling when waking up. Also, who cares how pretty something looks if it is amazing to play? I know I don't and that's been the mantra of gamers for years now: our games look good but the gameplay has suffered because of it Nevertheless, Elite looks great, and if you like high sci-fi comic style art NMS is right up your alley and they improve the fidelities with each update. There comes a point where throwing more triangles at a game doesn't make it better, it just makes it take longer. SC is the poster child for this. Further, their need to have the "prettiest game" out there caused them to choose an engine ill suited to their task and has caused the game to enter a development quagmire it may never recover from.

The only FPS/Vehicle/Space/Flight/Planet/Station game! Space Engineers. Done, thanks. Seriously, it does all of it, gets updated much quicker. Of course you can complain about the voxels and the graphics but again that doesn't matter if you can't release your product and the graphics aren't making the game better. SC's graphics actively make the game worse. Of course, you can say that still, SE isn't out of early access and see, these games take time. Yeah they do, but not as long or needing as much of your money as CIG are claiming SC does. To further hammer the point home, a good portion of these other games I listed that do the things CIG and their defenders claim are "never before done" and "incredibly difficult" didn't have the audacity to ask for peoples money upfront before it was playable and one of them is free. If CIG were smart they'd have contacted Vladimir and asked to license Space Engine for their new space game instead of a small map FPS engine. The extra bonus is they wouldn't be getting sued by Crytek right now.

Furthermore, it doesn't really matter if it hasn't all been done in one place before. The point is it has been done before, numerous times, often separately to varying degrees of success. The pitfalls of proc gen, for example, are well understood. The time and effort of building the same scale of assets from hand are also well understood. The basics of multiple physics grids and vehicles and switching from them to FPS are ideas the industry understands and knows how to work with. Decent flight models have been hashed out by other companies. CIG is acting like they are breaking new ground and working through never before seen problems with a team of experts but the reality is they are bumbling through well known gaming headaches like newcomers and botching nearly every step while spending your money to do it and always asking for more while having such a poor understanding of what they are doing that they promise release dates years and possibly decades before actual launch.

Last part of this section: we compare what SC does to what other games do. We do not compare what SC dreams of one day doing with what other games currently do because that's silly. Until CIG can demonstrate they are capable of putting "dream SC" together we can't talk about how "complex" it's quantum-future-self is when the right-now software itself is a barely stitched together hack of Lumberyard the devs haven't yet figured out how to make work. Comparing 3.0 to any of it's completion reveals it to be nothing short of a hilarious joke and a failure.

Furthermore, CR can't shake his old bad habits. Like you said: CIG want most of what ED will have in future content, to be at release.

This is hilariously awful because desperately trying to cram every new feature that catches the project manager's eye means the idea of a 1.0 will never be set. You need to come up with a product and what state you want it to be at and then release the damn thing before adding more to it. Elite did it right, they got their product out and now have something to keep adding too.

Meanwhile, you say that CIG wants everything Elite has now and may have in the future at launch, but five years from now when they are finishing up Elite may be an entirely different game with features CR never dreamed up and now they need to shoehorn that in too along with cool features from twelve other games that came out that impressed him and if he doesn't add them in it'll not be the "BDSSE" that does "everything" because some other game is doing something SC isn't.

Your defense of SC is, sorry to say, literally the reason it's such a joke and a failure to those of us here who have an understanding of "how game development works."
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on December 31, 2017, 08:54:35 AM
Twerk17 - Very sad and sick to wish harm on someone that says something you do not like. This seems to be the norm in many circles which is sad, looking at any thread where people are discussing nvdia vs amd, amd vs intel etc. They are so mean to one another over something so trivial. One thing that seems innate is people do like to hear the truth, I'm pointing my finger back at myself as I did not want to accept Derek's posts. But not once have I thought or wished harm on Derek or anyone for that matter that I disagreed with.

Concierge citizen - He's in a tough spot, but he is doing the right thing by speaking about what happened.

SC Loading - Coffee Video
I was not expecting that ending where he uninstalls and makes a post. Its funny and sad at the same time. Even now I still have a desire to play the original game as pitched.


Lot of informative posts on frontier read it to the last post,
Pg 46 ZeeWolf - interesting post
Pg 46 Lysander lysan - stated received 3k refund
PG 46-47 - NuttiKrust Still defending SC, saying CIG is doing some super difficult
PG 48 NuttiKrust - Still defending, believes they are inventing something never done before.
PG 48 Lysander lysa, ZeeWolf - great posts continue
PG 49 Azirphaeli - great post, using logic not CR Hubris of what is promised.
PG 49 TenakaFurey - great post on CIG failures
PG 50 TenakaFurey - Long Post but excellent
PG 51 TenakaFurey - Post about 1000 instances on SC verse reality
PG 51 TenakaFurey - #758 Echoes what many have said before concerning engine choice failure
PG 52 Lysander lysan - #772 great post
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on December 31, 2017, 09:12:25 AM
This is my favorite part:

"Last part of this section: we compare what SC does to what other games do. We do not compare what SC dreams of one day doing with what other games currently do because that's silly. Until CIG can demonstrate they are capable of putting "dream SC" together we can't talk about how "complex" it's quantum-future-self is when the right-now software itself is a barely stitched together hack of Lumberyard the devs haven't yet figured out how to make work. Comparing 3.0 to any of it's completion reveals it to be nothing short of a hilarious joke and a failure."

Many people are defending SC on what is promised and not paying attention how little they have delivered on the original 6 million  pledge.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on December 31, 2017, 09:51:52 AM
Meanwhile, over there (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/396642-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v8?p=6253216&viewfull=1#post6253216)

That probably would be easier to follow if the original post had been quoted
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on December 31, 2017, 10:05:49 AM
What Star Citizen backers have to say after the last few posts...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 01, 2018, 06:31:31 AM
That probably would be easier to follow if the original post had been quoted

Right. It's this one (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/396642-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v8?p=6253122&viewfull=1#post6253122) which several people responded to.



Same old puerile drivel being posted in here by people who have zero technical knowledge or programming background.
You should all just stop embarrassing yourselves.
I remember when the first planet demos came out and I tried to explain how the PG tech was superior to ED but of course I was told otherwise by people who have no clue, "it's just a bump map,".

Now the same people are telling us all how SQ42 playthrough demo was a failure because it had low fps and glitches - you know a pre-alpha not being polished or optimised, who would have thought?
And of course all the amazing tech is totally ignored, probably because most here are too blinded to even understand that it is groundbreaking in many ways.
What you actually saw was a player in first person walking around a capital ship as it flew through space.
Get into a fighter aboard said capital ship and fly out into space.
EVA out of ship and return.
Then descend down to a highly detailed planet surface with almost movie quality graphics.
And all this without a single load screen. No game has ever come close to such a seamless sandbox open world with such detail and interaction at a huge scale.
There is a reason ED went the route they did and did not take on such a huge technical challenge and all power to them for that choice - just don't tell me it has anywhere near the tech and scope that SC does.

The only valid criticism of SC is that it is too ambitious.
We can't say progress is too slow when so much new tech is being developed.
We can't say the game will fail, nor can we say it will be a success.
2018 should help neutrals decide now that the delta patcher is in and content and patches should arrive more frequently.
Also 3.0 was pretty much a total overhaul of the game rather than an iterative patch to 2.6.

I'm confident performance will be improved with bugs squashed, a lot of new tech still to be patched in to help frames, Vulkan, and of course the game isn't yet optimized for GPU drivers.
Content and game mechanics are still a big question mark for SC but I think that should work out.
My only real concern is whether it can all be woven together to make a cohesive whole.
SQ42 shouldn't have many of the issues SC faces so I expect it to be an excellent single player game - only real concern is subsumption and AI.

I have no idea why some are so desperate for the game to fail, if it succeeds it will push gaming forward to a new level.
I'll come back in 6 months to a year, some of you will be nearly teenagers by then.
Until then enjoy your echo chamber.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: justme on January 01, 2018, 06:51:20 AM
i just would like to know,
what they did between:

"we are sorry, but it was a close decision not to show squadron on gamescom 08/2016. we don't want to show unfinished stuff and it just needs a bit more polish"

and:
 
"here we have a very early work in progress demo, laggy as hell, 24h hours delay in 12/2017."


ohhh... yeah. land claims, tonks, farming simulator 42 :D
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on January 01, 2018, 07:00:31 AM
i just would like to know,
what they did between:

"we are sorry, but it was a close decision not to show squadron on gamescom 08/2016. we don't want to show unfinished stuff and it just needs a bit more polish"

and:
 
"here we have a very early work in progress demo, laggy as hell, 24h hours delay in 12/2017."
Violating CryTek's intellectual property, I guess.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 01, 2018, 09:12:18 AM
Twerk17 - Very sad and sick to wish harm on someone that says something you do not like. This seems to be the norm in many circles which is sad, looking at any thread where people are discussing nvdia vs amd, amd vs intel etc. They are so mean to one another over something so trivial. One thing that seems innate is people do like to hear the truth, I'm pointing my finger back at myself as I did not want to accept Derek's posts. But not once have I thought or wished harm on Derek or anyone for that matter that I disagreed with.

I have received so many death and violence threats since July 2015, that I've lost count. But those who know me, know very well that I document that sort of thing, though many of the Twitter and Reddit accounts were killed. You can't bother to spend money and resources on those people because most of the time they're just degenerates with nothing to lose anyway. But when you have known people like Twerk17, Montoya, Dolvak, and others advocating and/or condoning it, that's a different level.

And yes, I have also received SWATting threats (https://archive.is/h9BMi) from a 19 yr old Nick Butler from back in 2015 during the height of my Star Citizen blogs release. He was identified using public social media profiles (http://imgur.com/a/ktoNS), and reported. The same method used to identify and report the guys involved in the Kansas SWATting incident.

Not only that, this latest nonsense with Montoya (the same guy who backed out of the GTL debate (https://www.facebook.com/GameTalkLive/videos/2079980148897050)) is most despicable display of scumbaggery I have ever seen.

Timeline:



1) He created a video attacking MassivelyOp because he didn't like what they were writing about Star Citizen


2) I called him out on it on Twitter (read the thread)

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/946128633843929088
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LOL!! The Shillizen who backed out of debating (he would have been crushed, of course) me live on @GameTalkLive a few weeks ago, is back again. It's cringe-worthy and hilarious. They're all doing disaster control, following the 3.0 disaster release

3) He creates a thread on his website which popped up in my GoogleAlerts notifications 24hrs later. Though some have been deleted, while others were warned, that thread contains the usual insults, attacks, threats of death, violence etc. All the staples of a perfectly normal gaming community.

https://testsquadron.com/threads/help-derek-smart-is-attacking-me-on-twitter-d.12571/

(https://i.imgur.com/wYKcmJf.jpg)

That image is of this nutjob https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizens/Talonsbane

4) The gamer shooting in Kansas happened and I Tweeted this

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/946812430788816896
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This is the sort of thing that Star Citizen cult members will totally do, if they could

Of course, people who know that I have been receiving public and private death and violence threats over Star Citizen, already know what I was talking about. My point is that there are guys like this in gaming, and who are quite capable of doing things like this.

For example, this is Twerk17, another streamer in the all but defunct, [redacted] Star Citizen streaming crew:

http://dereksmart.com/bin/16-11-05_twerk17gaming_stabbed_comment.webm

While SWATting may appear to be a prank, it's not the first time that it has been used to intimidate people. And now a gamer is dead as a result. The poor guy wasn't even the one in the game. The 1st gamer in the chain, had given a fake address to another, who then hired this douche to SWAT the 1st gamer. Except that an innocent person was SWATted, shot, and killed instead. There was NO doxing involved.

5) He then starts a Twitter campaign to harass and attack me, while standing on the grave of a dead gamer. In this regard, falsely accusing me of doxing, which is not only a crime, but also a clear case of defamation. Of course if those clowns thought that I was guilty of doxing, they would have reported me these past years, and then found themselves on the receiving end of criminal action for filing a false police report, not to mention a lawsuit from me.

17-12-30 @ 8:17

https://twitter.com/montoya_test/status/947275573415546880
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I fear for my life and that of my wife and two small children when @dsmart incites this kind of behavior! #GamersUnite to fight this toxicity! After what happened in Kansas, its enough! @Charlie_L_Hall #noswat

17-12-30 @ 5:39

https://twitter.com/montoya_test/status/947235619637547013
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In light of the recent tragedy of an innocent man being killed after being doxxed and swatted, we as a community need to come together and condemn those who use doxxing as a means of intimidation! @Polygon @MassivelyOP #GamersUnite #noswat

17-12-30 @ 5:11

https://twitter.com/montoya_test/status/947228613295865860
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I and my entire organization of gamers send our deepest condolences to the family of the young man whose life was so tragically cut short. Let this be a lesson to people like @dsmart who have a history of doxxing that there could be dangerous repercussions to their actions.

6) My response to him was clear

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/947570794347057153
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You truly are despicable scum. Taking the tragic death of a fellow gamer to further your on-going attacks against someone saying bad things about a video game scam you all profit from.

Chris Roberts destroyed Star Citizen. You guys destroyed the community.

7) Then Trevor Noblitt aka Dolvak, who was a mod (https://archive.is/Fi2X0) on the now closed Reddit hate sub (/r/dereksmart) decided to chime in with the usual lies about him being doxed by me. Because somehow, that's how that works.

https://twitter.com/SnailMailGames/status/947295625778888704
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D Smart Doxxed Chris and Sandi Roberts kids to the point they had to sent a Cease and Desist. This is widely known in the SC Community.

This is the same person who at one point, got my Reddit account shadow-banned for doxing Accelerwraith because I linked to his LinkedIn profile in a post I was replying to about his (Accelerwraith) lies and threats of violence.

This is the same person who used to be part of the now defunct INN which I wrote a blog (http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/05/star-citizen-the-inn-conspiracy/) about. They disbanded shortly after that.

This is the same person who started the narrative that I had somehow doxed Sandi and her kids, something they KNOW to be PATENTLY FALSE; and which my attorney addressed in a very strongly worded response (http://www.dereksmart.org/2015/08/star-citizen-how-i-got-involved/) to Ortwin back in 2015. And which he again repeated.

So now, I am just going to sue him and Montoya for it. I have grown tired of warning them. And this is how I am going to completely ruin the entirety of their 2018 so that they can explain to the "SC Community" and the legal system, how exactly it is I doxed anyone (including Trevor himself). And I am marching them straight into Federal court over it. As I know that I am 100% right, by the time the dust settles, I am going to completely bankrupt them, while dragging RSI/CIG into it because these two are directly connected to CIG community activities, and have always had a vested financial interest in doing these things by proxy.

8) My responses to Dolvak

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/947572891461341185
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Dolvak, one day, you & your buddies are going to get sued for defamation. Then you're going to show, among other things, how retweeting social media links is doxing.

It's interesting that you guys never post the C&D, nor my attorney's scathing response.

I have warned you guys, time & time again, that there is NO version of this fiasco whereby u guys don't answer for what u have done. I am notorious for being extremely patient & resilient. So do carry on. I'm glad that Montoya has now added himself to the legal action list

9) Montoya wasn't done using a tragedy to create drama, and continue to accuse me of having committed a crime. He created a video.


10) I left him a response to his bullshit

(https://i.imgur.com/uWKviuU.jpg)



This is what these guys do. They're part of the toxic element that has permeated the Star Citizen community. And they are responsible for the rep that the community now has, and which they are never - ever - going to shake off.

Then this morning, I see this in my Twitter feed

https://twitter.com/montoya_test/status/947581114641780737
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In today's episode of @dsmart criticizes @dsmart. With that, I would like to call for a cease fire as we settle in to enjoy new year celebrations. Best wishes to all, and mean everybody, even you!

He's an example of everything that is wrong with gaming, and why our culture gets a bad rap harboring and condoning toxicity.



UPDATE:

01/02/2018

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/948184553214103553
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Basically, you claiming that I doxxed a kid (also FALSE) in a wheelchair, despite it being FALSE, is you supporting that "kid" and his friends in their attempt to SWAT and possibly have me killed. As if I don't have enough death threats from Star Citizen backers.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/948183495175802880
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That incident, was the impetus for my Tweet in relation to the Kansas SWATing incident, which you then proceeded to use to attack me over Star Citizen.

But don't worry, you will get your chance to explain how exactly it is that any of this is doxing. https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/946812430788816896

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/948182173860990976
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You continue to publicly accuse me of illegal activity, despite knowing it to be FALSE.

Nick Butler (NitroTypat) was 19 back in 2015 when him and his friends discussed SWATing me.

archive.is/h9BMi

He was identified & reported using social media data

01/01/2018

https://twitter.com/montoya_test/status/947991456651890688
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If you are serious and want to formulate an educated opinion, then I will be happy to help. Here he is doxxing a kid in a wheelchair https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/3rs5vq/compiling_a_list_of_predictions_and_allegations/cwrc863/

https://twitter.com/montoya_test/status/947938205885714432
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has now publicly threatened to dox me after I said I was fearful for the safety of my family and I don't want to be doxxed. After what happened in Kansas I am very concerned! Hugging my kids a lot today.

https://twitter.com/montoya_test/status/947980002385125376
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Im sorry to have angered you. I, like most people, live month to month. I don't have money for any lawyers. I would never wish bankruptcy on anybody, its a terrible thing.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on January 01, 2018, 09:38:08 AM
Montoya's hypocrisy is astounding. He condemns incitement, before accusing you (falsely) of doing so and then describing you in terms which could itself be interpreted as incitement. The problem is that the whole toxic SC community will be encouraging his behaviour.

This is pretty low even by his standards.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: helimoth on January 01, 2018, 09:58:47 AM
I know it's like water off a duck's back to you Derek, when you get insults like that wishing your death, but nobody is made of stone. It's his problem not yours.  ;)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on January 01, 2018, 11:51:46 AM
Fun fact, I'm a member of Test Squadron. I joined back when things weren't totally fucked up in SC land. It's been years since I've been back on those forums but I didn't think Montoya would be the kind of guy to go off the deep end like this.

Oh well.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on January 01, 2018, 11:59:17 AM
Well, Happy New Year to all of you fellow Goons Behind The Three Moons!

Do try to learn a bit more about game development in 2018 so that you don't look like a bunch of totally ignorant tools of the Stimperor anymore!

I, for one, will treat myself to this masterpiece (https://www.amazon.com/How-Draw-Spacecraft-Young-Artist/dp/0746002939/ref=pd_sbs_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0746002939&pd_rd_r=T444XNCY4Y0D3FR2M3YV&pd_rd_w=6otV3&pd_rd_wg=n8trs&psc=1&refRID=T444XNCY4Y0D3FR2M3YV).

 :supaburn:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on January 01, 2018, 02:15:01 PM
4) The gamer shooting in Kansas happened and I Tweeted this

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/946812430788816896

To be fair to all sides, given the tragedy of the situation, I have to say that I found this tweet of yours to be in poor taste.

Regardless of your intent, it does come across...strongly...as using the tragedy to push your own argument.

 IMO...it would have been better to leave it alone and to have done nothing more than issue a statement of commiseration. Mentioning the tragedy in this manner comes across as rather crass, regardless of the point you were trying to make.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on January 01, 2018, 02:23:15 PM
To be fair to all sides, given the tragedy of the situation, I have to say that I found this tweet of yours to be in poor taste.

Regardless of your intent, it does come across...strongly...as using the tragedy to push your own argument.

 IMO...it would have been better to leave it alone and to have done nothing more than issue a statement of commiseration. Mentioning the tragedy in this manner comes across as rather crass, regardless of the point you were trying to make.


I'm not defending the tweet, but note that the tweet doesn't single anybody out, just a non-specific group, nor does it incite hatred towards said group. Poor taste would be the limit of the criticism in this case. Contrast this with the stance Montoya took in his last video where he spends most of the time effectively inciting hatred towards a single individual. There's a huge difference.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 01, 2018, 03:13:56 PM
Hello Derek,

I got time to read and look over all that you posted in #704 hard to get through it in one sitting due to the insanity of it all. I was surprised to see Sandi get involved in this kind of behavior. Even harder for me to watch this type of behavior is becoming the norm and is systemic from the work place to universities. A particular person I watch from time to time has documented with screenshots of people releasing multiple times where is young children go to school. I'm glad you document and document everything as I do the same. I had people attempt to lie and malign my character but due to my diligence I had documented and recorded what they we had discussed. The person disliked I did not agree and went on a rampage posting lies about what we discussed and my character. After trying to get them to confess it was lies and to stop, I finally had to release the whole recorded conversation. Sadly when you take a stand for something in this sad world you better document and record everything, I'm glad to hear you are taking those steps.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Kyrt on January 01, 2018, 04:42:33 PM
I'm not defending the tweet, but note that the tweet doesn't single anybody out, just a non-specific group, nor does it incite hatred towards said group. Poor taste would be the limit of the criticism in this case. Contrast this with the stance Montoya took in his last video where he spends most of the time effectively inciting hatred towards a single individual. There's a huge difference.

I certainly found Montoyas post to be bad as well, but that doesn't change how I feel about Derek Smarts post.

I won't engage in debates as to who is right or which one is worse.

I simply feel Derek Smarts  post was...IMO...in poor taste and, whether it was meant to or not, gave the impression he was using the tragedy to push a personal vendetta.

Others may feel differently, but again IMO the correct thing to do would simply have been to offer condolences to the family.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 02, 2018, 06:40:56 AM
To be fair to all sides, given the tragedy of the situation, I have to say that I found this tweet of yours to be in poor taste.

Regardless of your intent, it does come across...strongly...as using the tragedy to push your own argument.

 IMO...it would have been better to leave it alone and to have done nothing more than issue a statement of commiseration. Mentioning the tragedy in this manner comes across as rather crass, regardless of the point you were trying to make.

First, I invite you to read this (https://goo.gl/3CpbRc) again - specifically the top part where I mentioned the SWATting threats I have received from guys in the Star Citizen community.

It's all about context. Too often, some people either miss the context, or don't know enough about the subject matter to render an opinion worthy of note.

Not that I have to explain it, but people who know that I have been sent violence and death threats, as well as having been threatened with SWATting by guys in the very same Star Citizen community, would immediately understand my Tweet, and get the context.

So no, I didn't just throw it out there.

I simply feel Derek Smarts  post was...IMO...in poor taste and, whether it was meant to or not, gave the impression he was using the tragedy to push a personal vendetta.

Others may feel differently, but again IMO the correct thing to do would simply have been to offer condolences to the family.

In poor taste? Are you serious? How is it different from people getting killed by others with access to guns, but we can still have those discussions without being accused of capitalizing on a tragedy? Or should we not discuss it at all, on the off chance that we offend someone?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 02, 2018, 12:54:28 PM
I'm glad in the updated the twitter with your new comments so people will not take your swatting statement out of context.
I'm sure the majority following him  has not seen the mega thread you posted on the violence and bodily harm they wish on you.
https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/948182173860990976

No telling what they may try considering Montoya already went off the deepen linking the "make an example" remark to bodily injury or even hurting his family.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: lurker_404 on January 03, 2018, 08:23:31 AM
Just a quickly thing; coming back to numbers.

I'm still surprised that from the 2.000.000 "citizens" ONLY 322.000 are subsribed to the SC Youtube channel.
Just only 16% of the "population".
Which is really not a high percentage for invested and involved backers.
Could the "real population" be far less than presented?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on January 03, 2018, 12:04:09 PM
Could the "real population" be far less than presented?
See here: http://www.dereksmart.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg6839#msg6839
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 14, 2018, 02:16:37 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking he's mad? FF to 27:26. It's amazing

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 14, 2018, 04:09:35 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking he's mad? FF to 27:26. It's amazing
That was epic,  :lol:
The fps are absolutely pathetic, if they ever add vr as promised it will be the barf simulator.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Wipeout on January 14, 2018, 06:16:55 PM


That was epic,  :lol:
The fps are absolutely pathetic, if they ever add vr as promised it will be the barf simulator.

haha, "Barf Simulator" :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 15, 2018, 05:44:30 AM
Yeah, I'm thinking he's mad? FF to 27:26. It's amazing

Meanwhile, over on SA

Bovis (the data analytics dude):

Quote
This whole video is pretty good for schadenfreude if you're looking to burn some time.

1) Game freezes immediately at the start of the video.
2) Reloading takes 70 seconds.
3) Cutlass Black is lost due to the freeze, reclaiming it takes 85 minutes, reduced to 7.5 minutes if you pay to expedite the claim. (Note: expedited processing fees seem to be waived currently).
3) It takes him 12 minutes of space combat action to kill a single NPC fighter guarding the mission objective.
4) After grabbing the mission objective box floating in space and re-entering his ship, the local physics grid ejects him and he is stuck paralyzed in space, with no working controls.
5) He suicides and flies back out to the mission site in another ship. The mission objective box is still sitting inside his previous ship but is glitched and cannot be picked up.
6) He attempts to quantum travel back to Olisar but QT is not working and removes control of the ship, fixable only by exiting the pilot seat. Another NPC ship comes and takes his shields down to critical while he's sitting, immobilized.
7) Suicide, respawn, and rant.

All this takes place at sub-20 fps, except for dips down to 3-5 fps during items 5 and 6.

Scruffpuff:

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His rant at the end gloriously missed the point as well. He's obviously upset at the whole thing, and he's ranting at CIG about how the quality of Live is lower than the PTU etc. Just ranting and raving and not having any of the "It's just an Alpha" excuses slow him down. While I enjoy the salt, I'm still blown away - absolutely mind blown - how much he's missing the point. And it's not just him - every streamer, every backer, missing the procedurally-generated forest for the high-fidelity trees.

It doesn't matter that CIG released the game in this state to the Live environment. The frame-rate doesn't matter. The patch cycle doesn't matter. This guy needs to get something through his head - he can't treat CIG like a game development company because CIG is not a game development company. They are a company creating digital assets for sale, and they're attempting to cobble together an online world in which to use those assets. The company is led by a non-game developer who is not qualified, and in fact uniquely unqualified to do his job, and the company has produced nothing, has no history, and no path forward. Holding them to the standards of a game development company is unbelievably stupid.

That's one part of it.

The next part is the assumption that CIG gives a flying fuck about what they release to the PTU or whatnot as if it's all part of normal game testing and deployment. It isn't. Every single byte of code that lands on the PTU, or anywhere else, is done for purely optic reasons - not to do anything for backers or the people who have funded this. It's to create gaming journal headlines like "Long-Awaited 3.0 Patch Goes Live" just in time for backers to spend their Christmas money on Chris's lies again. It's so they can create a false narrative of progress (like how 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, now 3.0, are all numbers going up hence progress and not a scam at all guys). So when this guy rants and raves about the relative quality of what's released to "Test" vs. "Live" my stomach actually hurts as I realize how naive he is - going into this with the belief that the "Test" and "Live" environments are being used as if Chris understands them, how they're used, why they're used, etc. It literally hurts to listen to.

Dear Streamer: if you haven't already, please take a few hours out of your life and go watch The Truman Show. Then come to the realization that Chris Roberts is doing the exact same thing with Star Citizen. That's why there are so many videos which they are peddling as "open development." It explains why the highest possible fidelity assets were built before the engine was done. It explains why they don't patch properly or test properly. Or do anything properly. I realize the awakening to the fact that Star Citizen has devolved into a scam is a painful one, but that pain is worth it. Once you get past it, instead of banging your head against the wall trying to understand this project, you will actually be able to predict its course.

Example: soon there will be a concept ship sale. No matter the state of the game at the time, no matter the bug count, no matter the lawsuit status - there will be a ship sale. Anything and everything CIG can do to move dollars from your bank account to theirs is their #1 priority all day and all night, 365 days of the year. Stop throwing yourself against this brick wall - there's nothing on the other side.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on January 15, 2018, 11:21:04 AM
Meanwhile, over on SA

Bovis (the data analytics dude):

Scruffpuff:

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 16, 2018, 12:51:56 PM
LOL!! Oh, now he's feeling ripped off?  :lol:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/et865w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 16, 2018, 01:07:09 PM
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 16, 2018, 02:39:32 PM
LOL!! Oh, now he's feeling ripped off?  :lol


Dissent is not allowed someone needs to tell him to hand over his CR Commander Cap and then get a refund.
But I do have some empathy the original pitched game was an exciting announcement.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 16, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Star Citizen - Masterpiece or Pay to Win Technical Nightmare?

Another good video, he also quotes development started by CR that started a year before pitching the game is now known to be a lie.

I wonder if they may very well hit a wall due to horrific design decisions that cannot be programmed around. Similar to poor engineering on some servers where I have soldier over 48 interconnects.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 16, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
The most shocking Star Citizen related thing (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7qq8vq/question_to_my_fellow_citizens/) you will read today.

His son is in hospital with a coma.

He wants a refund to help with medical bills.

But he's concerned CIG will close his account after the refund.

Seriously.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on January 16, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
You don't want to think what will happen to these kind of backers when CIG crashes and all the money is just gone.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on January 16, 2018, 05:12:37 PM
Quote
LOL!! Oh, now he's feeling ripped off?  :lol

Dissent is not allowed someone needs to tell him to hand over his CR Commander Cap and then get a refund.
But I do have some empathy the original pitched game was an exciting announcement.

Sympathy ? 

This *unt, Citizen Armadildo, has had his head buried up his *hit pipe for years....
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: krylite on January 16, 2018, 10:00:08 PM
Another good video, he also quotes development started by CR that started a year before pitching the game is now known to be a lie.

Good to recall that bit about CR stating development supposedly ongoing like two years before the kickstarter. Now I think it was more likely just producing those expensive looking slick trailers (whether time consuming in-house or wasting funds on expensive 3rd party production), where maybe up to half of SC "development" even up to this point was about making more slick trailers, the useless ATVs i.e. CR's deranged thinking that somehow his (failed) movie making experience somehow legitimately benefits SC's development. If anything CR was a major influence in the "cutscene" part of the gaming industry history other than slapping on textures on sprites in WC.

example: eyepopping expensive looking trailers, but ultimately useless for development of the game, except to hook in more whales. imo, the "Vanduul" (haha, 'vandal savage') trailer coincided with the ED announcement short humble trailer but ultimately existing implemented thargoids. The "600i" , ripoff of the ED cutter, incl. a knock-off of the interior imperial Gutamaya look.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0T3KLnL9uY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w40f_CClDDU

You don't want to think what will happen to these kind of backers when CIG crashes and all the money is just gone.

Perhaps even worse than a financial industry ponzi is there could likely be no recourse for the idiot backers who doubled down to keep denying DS was right. In financial ponzi's at least the victims would be helped by a clawback representative assigned by the court where individually they could possibly get up to 50% back by the law liquidizing seized assets of the criminal. But in SC's case, I'd doubt the whalers would have any substantial recourse. It's not like they were investing in a fund expecting a monetary return. At this point, many of the brainwashed whalers are still in it pathetically just to want to prove the "naysayers" and DS wrong :laugh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 17, 2018, 06:59:14 AM
Sympathy ? 

This *unt, Citizen Armadildo, has had his head buried up his *hit pipe for years....

I do as this is not an easy world to live in, I've been stolen from in my businesses twice
including family and friends over the years. I do not like to see anyone stolen from even if they have helped
to create the situation knowingly or unknowingly. This individual was much like myself before
I started researching the information that many were providing that something was amiss.
Considering the fiasco that is SC,  I give them credit on the ability to smile and provide a slick YouTube videos.
The average person without knowledge of the situation could easily be taken in by them.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Scruffpuff on January 17, 2018, 08:19:25 AM
The most shocking Star Citizen related thing (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7qq8vq/question_to_my_fellow_citizens/) you will read today.

His son is in hospital with a coma.

He wants a refund to help with medical bills.

But he's concerned CIG will close his account after the refund.

Seriously.

I have to believe this is made up.  I can't parse this otherwise.  If someone's son is in a coma, a normal human would have nothing else on their mind.  Close my account, take my PC, fuck it take my house, just make my son get better.

Not this guy - first thought - better make sure my Star Citizen account is intact.  The behavior is consistent with the backers that are left after all the warning signs, but this is just too far.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 17, 2018, 08:27:33 AM
Gorf wrote up a post about Batgirl's latest video.




YOUTUBE: Batgirl’s State of the Game, January 13th

(This is the longest Batgirl SoTG episode I’ve ever seen. Forgive me if I dispense of the first half hour pretty briskly, there is so much here not worth covering and I’m going giving that latter part extra attention.)

It’s over an hour and a half and one of the first things out of her mouth is a statement of confidence that 2018 is  going to be an amazing year for Star Citizen.

She starts things off hopping in her much-beloved Mustang and is off in search of adventures, the sort that await a courier accepting a pickup and delivery job a half hour out of town. It’s a riveting experience even for a viewer, just watching her navigate through nothingness for minutes at a time as she races towards the dark side of a barren moon to pick up a box.

Alas, in her nascent encounters with emergent gameplay, a plot complication ensues. Almost a half hour into her mission, the lurking horror slowly, inexorably dawns upon her. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=24m11s) She brought the wrong ship! You can’t haul cargo in the Mustang, Batgirl!

She cuts back to Olisar, gets kicked off the terminal a couple times trying to get a ship that can actually carry cargo. Then does the whole corridors to ship to jump to descend to the moon thing again. We are 40 minutes in to the video now and still nothing resembling gameplay has transpired, just lots and lots of monologing. But as she approaches the 40 minute mark, things pick up. She gives her opinions about Pay To Win, then discusses her fury and grief when Bensdays with Batgirl was cancelled. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=41m11s) Apparently others complained that Batgirl was getting preferential treatment from CIG via direct access with the Master of Ships.

—> 44:44! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=44m42s)

She has found the black box and begins the long jog back to her craft. Futzing ensues until she figures out how to put it down.

She decides to return to the shipwreck and explore. What’s this? Another box?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=46m42s)

Well it looks like this 45 minute long fetch quest sans combat or adventure par excellence just got doubly fun! She picks up yet another box, begins the trek back to her ship, decides to retrieve yet another box!

Welcome my friends to a little thing we call a game loop of emergent gameplay.

“This might take a while folks — sorry about that... but this is FUN!” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=47m49s)

Moments later she explains that she parked far away from the shipwreck because she loves walking towards her ship. So get comfortable because she’s going to be doing that marathon for a small eternity a half dozen times.

Yet while she performs this ritual of the highest fidelity mundanity ever unleashed upon the world, she strikes up a conversation with her viewers.

51 minutes in, “So tell me folks... what is the most exciting part of 3.0 for you?”  You’re playing it, Batgirl. Oh, but then she asks what the most disappointing aspect of 3.0 has been for viewers, and proceeds to answer the question herself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=51m45s)


She talks about those like her who have long supported the game out of love of Chris Roberts, ”Anything Chris makes turns to gold. Well not always.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=52m49s)[/b]

And then, as if she is being tested by the gods of irony, she attempts to lower the gold  cargo box she’s been carrying and watches it clip through the floor of her ship.


She goes beneath the ship to retrieve it, musing about the timing of her Chris Roberts praise. She picks it up, carries it inside, and this time it stays. Back to the grind!

Boredom returns for several minutes. She searches further, hoping she might find a dragonfly. Chris did during his Gamescom 2016 playthrough, so it’s not that big a stretch. Then again, do you really think Chris would give away that which he could sell?

Well, this post is already long enough so I’ll spare you too much additional detail on Batgirl’s big mission. Here, an hour and twenty minutes in, is the final punchline. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=79m42s) Voiced with two different accents and three different personalities.

I don’t want to give anything away. Sometimes, despite enormous effort and endurance on your part, you can’t.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=85m02s)

”This is becoming a nightmare. A nightmare of futility.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=91m41s)

Not one to give up without a fight, Batgirl tries yet again, leaving the station and returning, traipsing through the corridors to once again plead with the NPC who can compensate her for what was surely two hours of her time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=95m25s)

But he’s got other words for this backer, and in many ways they’re about the truest words ever uttered about the 6 years in development $180 million pre-Alpha.

”Hey, take your shit.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHackvcPh8I&t=95m58s)

And that, dear friends, is The State of the Game.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 17, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
Gorf wrote up a post about Batgirl's latest video.



YOUTUBE: Batgirl’s State of the Game, January 13th


Sad state on the level the game is in considering what little is even available and how much time has passed.
Loaded this up on second monitor while working took a few quick notes while listening.

24:44 did not think through ship selection
36:01 talking about pay to win, and they will fix all the problems
45:04 wowed by the beauty of the game "nothing else like it"
45:42 box placing,
46:34 finds more boxes
50:15 textures popping
53:03 almost everything CR Makes turns to gold
53:09 Box is hit by radiation flare causing it to phrase through the floor "j"k.
1:02:17 another box is hit by solar flare and when its dropped teleports through his legs and his behind him
1:05 counted 12 boxes total
1:20 npc doesn't want his box lololol, tells him to take his sh###
1:21:28 is confused
1:22:26 unable to sell stuff on ship
1:22:43 took box to wrong place to deliver box
1:26 trying to get to right landing pad
1:28:40 flight npc confused
1:31:40 looks like all boxes intact
1:36:07 lol npc is not going to take the box

Thank you Derek, hate to use the entire quote and I'm good at forgetting to put the end tag back in.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 17, 2018, 01:21:56 PM
Hey, are you aware that you are burying all your comments in quote tags?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on January 17, 2018, 06:31:32 PM
I do as this is not an easy world to live in, I've been stolen from in my businesses twice
including family and friends over the years. I do not like to see anyone stolen from even if they have helped
to create the situation knowingly or unknowingly. This individual was much like myself before
I started researching the information that many were providing that something was amiss.
Considering the fiasco that is SC,  I give them credit on the ability to smile and provide a slick YouTube videos.
The average person without knowledge of the situation could easily be taken in by them.

Sure, but the word has been out on SC for years now.

If you can spend $6,000 you can read some forum posts and if you worked for your $6000 you should have a care for how it is spent.

It is one thing to trust family and friends or be out and out robbed when you were not looking.

Or to have taken a financial risk and lost, but SC by now is none of those things.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: krylite on January 17, 2018, 07:12:54 PM
What a riot. 'batgirl' ( i didn't hear any 'girl') obviously on some vig shill deal with cig-arrets or a sillyzen. Whatever "early access" shiny dogpile that is finally dumped out would probably be far outclassed and outlived by NMS+updates to say the least.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 21, 2018, 07:15:01 AM
LOL!! Watch

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/220671107?t=58m29s
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on January 21, 2018, 08:03:55 AM
LOL!! Watch

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/220671107?t=58m29s

The C**t with the silly tache is laughing at the ongoing rip off  but I bet he hasnt asked for his refund....
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 21, 2018, 08:29:09 AM
The C**t with the silly tache is laughing at the ongoing rip off  but I bet he hasnt asked for his refund....

Yeah, they're all morons. One and all.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on January 21, 2018, 10:45:02 AM
Yeah, they're all morons. One and all.

Nature has also bestowed him with the ability to fit a thin erect penis through the gap in his front teeth...
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 24, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
That time when a tech channel reviewed the new Intel SSD that was promoted with Star Citizen. FF to 1:50

The Star Citizen Defense Force showed up. And they're not happy at all.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 27, 2018, 06:49:34 AM
Looks like @DanGheesling is throwing in the towel. Unlike those other guys, he's one of the best, and most level headed Star Citizen streamers. Always fun to watch him run through the "game".


Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 27, 2018, 07:14:14 AM
LOL!! FF to 29:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1906&v=dAX1rJv0X9k
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 27, 2018, 11:26:25 AM
Not sure where to post this one but they are on to you Derek, the gig is up.
This tells me how deceived they are on reddit to always resort to calling someone
you with a dissenting opinion.

(https://s26.postimg.org/kjmrbu7i1/dereck_has_been_found_out.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 27, 2018, 11:38:40 AM
Not sure where to post this one but they are on to you Derek, the gig is up.
This tells me how deceived they are on reddit to always resort to calling someone
you with a dissenting opinion.

Yeah that's not new. They see me all opposing views as coming from a Derek Smart alt.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on January 27, 2018, 12:41:02 PM
Yeah that's not new. They see me all opposing views as coming from a Derek Smart alt.

This is so over played its one of the few things that really bothers me, I was having a good discussing with one person.
But going to take a break from it, the diehard guys like this are the ones I really do not have much sympathy for
when it comes to the financial loss.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on January 29, 2018, 09:02:46 AM
For those of you new to the spectacle, meet the guy who made the Imagine Star Citizen trailer


A group of "top notch" devs who were paid over $176M to make two games, came up with this recent propaganda which isn't even reflective of the game.


Here, read what PC Invasion had to say.

https://www.pcinvasion.com/star-citizen-gets-new-website-and-trailer
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: premiumnugz on January 29, 2018, 10:54:36 AM
For those of you new to the spectacle, meet the guy who made the Imagine Star Citizen trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=VwCvDUcglrY

Seriously have CIG even made any of their own marketing? It turned out that Crytek made the inital Kickstarter trailers that raised millions (which were apparently game material from 2 years of "existing development") :cop: and now it turns out some of the best Youtube trailers were made by some kid in his mom's basement. I mean props to the kid, he did a great video editing job, but what is tickle porn actress experienced marketing director Sandi Gardiner actually doing?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Aya Reiko on January 29, 2018, 12:16:12 PM
Seriously have CIG even made any of their own marketing? It turned out that Crytek made the inital Kickstarter trailers that raised millions (which were apparently game material from 2 years of "existing development") :cop: and now it turns out some of the best Youtube trailers were made by some kid in his mom's basement. I mean props to the kid, he did a great video editing job, but what is tickle porn actress experienced marketing director Sandi Gardiner actually doing?
Raiding the company's coffers before bolting for Switzerland when the jig is up?
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 01, 2018, 08:57:25 AM
Gorf over on SA has a write-up about a recent Star Citizen stream by the Usual Suspects



YOUTUBE: Redacted - 1/31/2018 - Highlight Reel

Doing this to give you guys and gals a temperature reading from three regulars and their audience.

(Note to Twerk, Bored, and WTFO, as I assume at least one of you checks this thread on the regular... The audience calls are great — so were some submitted questions from your viewers. Particularly in this period of indeterminable waiting for the gameplay to arrive, you might consider moving this segment forward because it rewards the direct audience interaction and makes the show feel more like a dynamic conversation rather than just a “let’s discuss this week’s disappointments, delays and controversies.” I almost bailed on your show because the further out on CIG’s roadmap you got, the more caution seemed to give way to hope and theorycrafting. But the calls were worth it and added a real shot of color to your show so I hope you’ll give them their proper place. You might find viewership climb and engagement goes up if viewer calls become a prominent fixture. Anyway, just my $.02.)

Twerk & WTFOsaurus don’t care about ships anymore... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQzp-jnncQ&t=46m26s)

WTFOsaurus expects Bind Culling to add 3 to 5 additional frames per second. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQzp-jnncQ&t=50m41s)

Twerk played other games this week, the. Came back to Star Citizen and felt nauseous. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQzp-jnncQ&t=51m3s)

3.2 is discussed, particularly the new clothing options. Twerk, “They’re redoing Legacy Armor for the third fucking time.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQzp-jnncQ&t=53m03s) Later, “I’m starting to feel like... am I being negative? Or have we wasted time.”

Discussions shift to the impossible laundry list of 3.2 gameplay features supposedly coming. Twerk asks Bored what they should name their Mining operation. Bored, “I don’t know — I haven’t even thought about it. I can’t imagine gameplay.”

Boredom and theorycrafting until they take a question from voicemail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQzp-jnncQ&t=106m51s) from a player called Commander420. He seems to make a subtle joke about being one of their weed dealers. The voicemail is actually :lol::lol::lol: in a goofy, committed way and worth listening to.

A boring theorycrafter’s voicemail follows, and then TheOperator calls bullcrap on CIG and aUEC ship sales (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQzp-jnncQ&t=112m36s). He thinks starter ships may be purchaseable via credit but that the ships people want will remain cashmoneysales only because CIG is too greedy to do otherwise. He expects Land Claims and player housing / buildings / apartments will be aUEC purchasable (an interesting alternative option) but the good ships? No way. WTFO agrees short term, but for launch CIG surely won’t go back on that promised feature.

They take a write-in question about Haters who spam theories of doom regarding the Crytek lawsuit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQzp-jnncQ&t=126m6s) They recommend French & YoutuberLaw videos.

CrimsonFire: “Why are they making Shipjacking Armor if we can’t properly steal ships?” Boom! They all crack up because whatelseyagonnado?



There is more I skipped but this is a decent highlight reel. The best moment was Commander420’s call — I :lol:’d.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 03, 2018, 08:52:42 AM
So Streetroller (http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/07/star-citizen-the-refund-debacle/) filed a bullshit lawsuit against Chris Roberts. I told him so, and now he's mad and creating drama over it (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=3666#post480926808). That's the thing with some people, you always have to agree with them otherwise you run afoul of their ire.

My response which was originally posted here (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&pagenumber=3669&perpage=40#post480934659).



1) He filed a [bullshit] lawsuit against croberts which to me is just distracting and when it fails - as I am 100% certain that it will - will just be fodder for those chucklefucks to latch onto

2) So I told him all of the above. In his usual fashion, while perched in his wheelchair (as you've seen, he oft brings this up as some sort of excuse) playing the victim as he is won to do, he was upset about what myself and others told him.

3) He came back and claimed to have filed the lawsuit. nobody could find it. when asked for proof, he started running around in circles while hurling insults at everyone in the channel (I actually exported all of it) for "doubting him and calling him a liar". Basically the same bullshit he posted above and which was excerpted.

4) A few days ago this past Tues, he popped back up on a secure channel and posted an image of the flawed filing, with the words "Have Fun" without any context. here on SA, you get banned for posting a meme without context, as I found out just days ago.

5) I saw it, challenged him on why he was posting it there instead of in the channel where that discussion was already happening. I then deleted it, and re-posted it. Unfortunately, unlike the version which he previously posted (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=3625#post480780263) here on SA and which was redacted, he posted an un-redacted version which Daz then deleted while I was offline.

6) He came back to the channel and kicked up a hissy fit (his posts are still there) that I was out to get him, that if he got aggro in RL over my posting of an un-redacted image which HE posted in my channel, that it would be my fault. After I stopped laughing, I reminded* him that the image was removed, and that even the one that was partially redacted still had info which would allow anyone to search for and pull up the PUBLIC case, which also showed the same info he tried to redact.

Then he claimed that my posting of an image HE created and posted UN-REDACTED, was doxxing.  :lol:

* NOTE: Following my telling him this, he came back to SA and removed the redacted image. If you go to the link above, you will see that he removed it, though it is still online at https://i.gyazo.com (https://i.gyazo.com)

7) I then went looking to see how/when he even had access to that Level8 channel. I then removed him from there and notified him. I talked to the other mods to find out how he got access, and it came to be that it was back in Aug 2016 following my blog on his refund fight with CIG. When we streamlined the channel and split it, he wasn't removed from it.

8) He came back - again - all bent out of shape and with something new to bitch about because he took my removing him from the secure channel as an attack on him.

9) He subsequently rage-quit from the server, then came to SA to continue his attention-seeking drama.

10) He's been on a roll since. So I blocked him here.

(https://imgur.com/09AbLBZ.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/qrI9wAA.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/Z8sojiw.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/gngneV3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: nightfire on February 03, 2018, 10:53:23 AM
That's what happens when you decide not to take your meds anymore. Seriously.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 03, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
That's what happens when you decide not to take your meds anymore. Seriously.

Indeed.  :doh:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 05, 2018, 05:12:47 AM
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It's been one month after the premature disaster launch of 3.0. Ignoring that most of what 3.0 was supposed to be was pushed to 3.1, it is simply unacceptable on all levels that nothing has been done about it. That there is no visible effort to address it. You may say; 3.1 will fix it. And I say; when? This should have been fixed yesterday. And why should I believe that 3.1 will help? They have never delivered in the past. Not one single deadline has ever been met. And most releases have been lacking compared to what they said they would have. So why is 3.1 any different?

I was patient when they missed the original November 2014 release date. I thought it was too optimistic from the start. I was patient when Squadron 42 Episode 1 failed to materialize. I was patient when 2.0 released full of bugs and with nearly no content, thinking they would deliver on their promises for monthly updates. I was patient when Star Marine failed to materialize, thinking it was just a testing module. I was patient when 3.0 was delayed for weeks, then months, then more months, and then a whole year. They said it was almost nearly done in December of 2016. Yet they talked about just having started developing basic features for it in October of 2017. How can both be true? They were blowing smoke up my for an entire year. So why should I believe anything they say now? I don't want to hear any more lies. My patience has run out. I want action now.

You give people for calling it a scam but that's exactly what it looks like. Give me one good reason not to pursue a refund.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 07, 2018, 11:46:34 AM
...he's so adorable

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7vp9sh/planting_the_seeds_of_disappointment_part_ii/
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Motto on February 07, 2018, 12:38:07 PM
And still expecting a game to rise from it all  :vince:
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on February 07, 2018, 04:58:06 PM
Quote
Because, you know, the bat shit crazy expectations that get instilled into the community by the community.

This one blames Backers for expecting things to be delivered that CRoberts told them they were going to get years ago.

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 08, 2018, 08:04:27 AM
self-awareness starts @ 9:23

Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 08, 2018, 06:05:53 PM
self-awareness starts @ 9:23

Crazy thing is they still believe, starting little after the 24 min. Spectrum has a lot of negative press from the interdiction's. Sort of reminds me of elite/h interdiction's and this song of it. I hate the unrealistic interdiction's in e/h. I always have radar expanded watching for them to interdict, but since they can zoom in way faster and beyond what any ship you can buy its impossible to evade.





Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 09, 2018, 03:49:32 PM
LOL!! So this happened on the live ED stream


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVoNPlYX0AA3nKs.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 09, 2018, 04:45:36 PM
LOL!! So this happened on the live ED stream



That is absolutely hilarious to see that, great find!
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 12, 2018, 01:26:14 PM
We're shocked that this post is still standing (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/concern-for-the-long-term-flight-model/950750). Though chances are that, as has happened in the past, once I Tweet about it, that's sure to get the ball rolling to have it removed.

So, let's go.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV3JFteVMAE1h1C.jpg)
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 12, 2018, 02:57:38 PM
Gorf is at at again (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&pagenumber=3737#post481225049).



(I can’t believe you’ve had this many replies and nobody said “Nice meltdown.” And nobody pointed out you spelled “defenestrate” incorrectly either.  Oh well I won’t break the streak.)

My reply is late so please ignore this if the thread moved on. Seems you made an earnest effort with your defenestration effortpost so I might as well do the same in reply.



“It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad.”

Well that’s a surprising mission statement at this point. MoMA, defenestrator of erroneous notions about crowdfunding at scale, etc.. I just assumed you stayed for the camaraderie and already made peace with the project malaise. I guess I misread that.

It’s honesty been a while since Erin, Sandi or Archer (!) have really been in the hot seat. Feels like Papy’s been made the heat sink for backer dreams this season in his new role. Poor bastard. Oh and Lando, too — laying it on thicker than ever, convincing no one, and leaving many of us nostalgic for the earnestness of the trueblood fanboy Lesnick.

Nobody here thinks Sandi does the Marketing nor have they for ages — she shows up for ATV, occasionally twitters, pursues the next cutting room floor gig with that indomitable drive of hers, drives away Marketing subordinates quarterly, and hits a stage twice a year to tearfully giggle before a crowd as if each new appearance was her accepting a lifetime achievement award for humanitarian work rather than being a big awkward reminder she’s still making fat bank for reading scripts about marginal progress underway for a game she cares not a whit about.

As for Erin and Chris, they both seem to be shrinking and retreating. Chris has pivoted back to Squadron oversight again so that should pretty much kill its hope of release in the next couple of years. Erin was supposed to be a confidence builder for the backers but at this point his machine gun stammer and worrying health signs just seem to heighten anxieties. He may be better off letting the Dukes of High Chill, Papy and Chambers, do the talking. Neither look like they’re about to grab their chest and start gasping — which is optically a more helpful look.

I don’t know how it looks from where you stand but it sure feels to me like 2017 was the year that the expansionist vision of Star Citizen surrendered to contraction and resignation, even though neither CIG nor backers are openly speaking of it. Capitulation is felt and seen everywhere even though old habits die hard and routines run habitually. It’s depressingly thin gruel for comedy sometimes but we do what we can.

CONSIDER THE LIVESTREAMERS

You can really see it on the regular fan livestreams. Redacted, Relay, the Captain’s Table, the Space Bro Show. Nobody is playing the release they spent a year and a half hyped to max about.

It’s widely agreed that 3.01 is unplayable. If it’s not the framerates, it’s the interdictions. If not the interdictions, the broken missions. So everybody’s jamming on Tarkov, Fortnite, Monster Hunter or something, anything else but Star Citizen during their daily streams and when they get together for their weekly discussions with other streamers, they theorycraft about 3.2, 4.0, “what I will do when (x) is in the game”, or they grouse politely about CIG’s gaffes of the last week. The old routines run out of duty, habit, compulsion — even though they rely on an assumption nobody really seems to believe anymore:

“The game will one day be fixed, fun and make possible all of these theorycrafted possibilities for gameplay I’ve been clinging to for years and do so better than all games that came before it.”

(Just listen to Erris on this week’s Relay craptalking about Bethesda’s supposedly terrible lockpicking mechanics and you’ll see him employ this when theorycrafting CIG’s better [but as yet totally undefined] way of implementing hacking in the game...)

The routines die hard, but even the longtime loyalists are exhausted, losing faith, watching the last dimly glowing embers of what was once white hot hope slowly crumble off as ash. Even if stability and performance weren’t such a brutal tax, the meager loops and frustratingly implemented play mechanics in the game are a drag as designed — a fact that guys like Luke Pressley at Foundry openly admit. There’s a huge burden to fix not just what is broken to make what isn’t broken Fun. In year 6.

Erris’s desperate pleading that “We need Chris, too” because “Chris gives me faith” a couple of weeks ago was a miserable damn sight; a dreamoholic with cirrhosis of the brain begging for a shot of the hair of the dog that bit him. Chris’s confidence helps Erris run the magic routine. But Chris is retreating, closing up, slipping away and he might as well, he may be symbolic source of hope for the dreamer collective but he’s the practical source of the project malaise just as Lucas was for the prequels. (https://youtu.be/EJ4TrDBuOUg)

Batgirl watched CIG revoke her backstage VIP pass right after they maximized the chance to squeeze it for a little extra CitizenCon 2017 hype — cold-blooded, considering how loyal she’s been and for how long. Now she’s venturing into constructive criticism. (https://youtu.be/OSMuM3pOOxQ)

Dan Gheesling said his pained goodbyes after explaining 3.0 didn’t have enough to keep either him or his viewers engaged.

BadNewsBaron wrote an essay of defense of Star Citizen on Medium.com a little while back, but he too has moved on quietly to new games.

Twerk probably didn’t realize the irony last week when he openly bemoaned that the bigger ships made for terrible FPS levels and it really needed fixing — he was only just now seeing problems that Heretic Beer4theBeerGod had written extensive warnings about three years ago. Good thing CIG drove out such voices and left the community a safe space for asskissers and theorycrafters — they’ll have only each other to feed on as they get exactly what they asked for all along, Chris Roberts’s unalloyed vision of the Best Damn Space Sim Ever.

The malaise is everywhere — the sense that things have gone horribly wrong is widely felt though not widely acknowledged. It’s the subtext of nearly all discussions about the game between fans and streamers and even from CIG themselves yet never the text save for places like here, or Frontier forums, Derek’s blogs, the refunds subreddit, MassivelyOP or other little heretical outposts here and there. (There’s another very interesting one but I’ll write about that later.)

If the thread feels like a broken record, MoMA well, it’s in part because malaise has been the story here for years.

CIG really seems to be shrinking before our eyes and putting greater distance between leadership and the public than in the dumb ol’ days. Most of the energy and enthusiasm these days has shifted to arguing about the Crytek lawsuit because at least that has a wide range of possible outcomes and will make winners and losers of those playing prediction games. That game has no designer, it’s been improvised on the fly by critics and fans serving their time-honored roles on a new battlefield, yet even that game is a better game than Chris has managed to put out after $180 Million and six years of effort. Seems like that says quite a lot, little of it good.

I still enjoy your participation in the thread, MoMA. How you spend your money is your business and if you want to use big $0.25 words in effort posts I’m hardly one to throw stones. You do you, even if you like to rock the :smuggo: maybe more than you should and the :gary: not enough.
Title: Re: The Star Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on February 13, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
That Spectrum post is really something. And still holding steady in its existence and positive responses.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 15, 2018, 02:49:21 PM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964204019693453312.html  :smuggo:
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 15, 2018, 07:02:32 PM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964204019693453312.html  :smuggo:

Great detective work on the backer not even sure what to say. How in the world could a real company even think to treat customers that way. Usually money talks and I could understand working a little harder on this large accounts but she showed complete disregard for the individual. Wonder how much she is costing the company in salary, bad press and refunds, I would like to see the charted.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: orko on February 16, 2018, 02:04:24 AM
Great detective work on the backer not even sure what to say. How in the world could a real company even think to treat customers that way. Usually money talks and I could understand working a little harder on this large accounts but she showed complete disregard for the individual. Wonder how much she is costing the company in salary, bad press and refunds, I would like to see the charted.

I agree. It is mind-blowing to read (again), for example, those long email exchanges between a backer and Sandi. I'm more and more coming to the point where I think these people at the top of CIG are sleepwalking and unable to reflect their actions objectively. I mean, you must not be aware of yourself on so many levels when you're the head of marketing of a multi-million organization and afford to have such a condescending tone, no matter what the situation is. Walking over other's points, shifting blame, making yourself martyr, dodging the real questions, keeping up a profile of a strict and fair judge accompanied with comments like "Who doesn't silence doubters?"... I don't know, it just keeps going forever when I think about it.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Bubba on February 16, 2018, 03:29:34 AM
Looked at the Twitter feed. So this person has several unique photos of the same car in the UK, maintains a fairly convincing UK presence, and has a wife.

On the other side, Derek had a tweet storm without any convincing argument, just "look at this thread, and this one".

Two possibilities: either Sandi is Kraiklyn and spending way too much time maintaining a cover for an alt, or Kraiklyn is not Sandi, but works with her.

CIG/RSI were out for a while claiming that anyone hostile was a Derek-alt; now we get "Kraiklyn's a Sandi-alt"

Alts are hilarious when you uncover them, but in investigating internet identities, one must balance Ockham's Razor against the Italian maxim "La madre dei coglioni è sempre incinta" (translation: podicium mater semper inciens)

Conclusion: Dr. Smart's out trolling.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on February 16, 2018, 03:41:11 AM
There are several possibilities here:

Unless Derek has insider info, the simplest explanation is (1): Kraiklyn's a real person in the UK who fits the CIG Moderator job specification of being both an SC zealot and an arsehole.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: justme on February 16, 2018, 04:57:34 AM
i can ensure, that kraiklyn is a real person and also his account is not taken over by sandi.
because of his onlinetimes, he is located in europe. also writing style differs from the one from sandi.
and if you take a closer look, you'll find his real name, too.
also there are some pictures by different guys, showing him, e.g. from bar citizen in manchester.

but yes. i really can't imagine, how a person like him could get such a job, with no CS skills at all.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 16, 2018, 07:22:58 AM
Conclusion: Dr. Smart's out trolling.

That's really shocking. I mean, completely.  This is my shocked face ---> :magical:

I think some people MISSED the point of that epic trolling Twitter thread (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964204019693453312.html). It was designed to remind everyone about the following:

- about past horrid CS activities
- that Sandi Gardiner, is a horrid person (http://www.dereksmart.com/2016/08/woman-in-gaming-so-what/); especially as portrayed in The Escapist article (https://web.archive.org/web/20170119204020/http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company)
- that most of the people at the top of CS food chain (headed by Sandi), are horrid people. e.g. See Ben Lesnick
- they have no regard for backers who gave them money; that's why they do what they do
- they continue to alienate their whales e.g. See latest $30K exit

The "Sandi is probably Kraiklyn|CIG" (who joined in 2015 (https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5678178/#Comment_5678178) - with ZERO experience in CS) was the only trolling in that thread. And it was there to point out that while that person was also patently horrid, for all intent and purposes, it could very well be Sandi herself. Plus, they all answer to her. Hence this Tweet (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/964250422839074818) below:

Quote
OK, for those of you who lack reading comprehension skills, and are thus mad about the whole speculative Sandi == Kraiklyn | CIG thing, I am willing to debate you in your favorite enclave.

Please meet me at the URL below at sundown. Start without me.

This was all plotted on my Discord channel btw.  :smuggo:

And of course, as expected, it causes those toxic chuckleheads grief. And since their hate-Reddit on /r/ds was closed, the hope is that they continue to spill their bullshit into either /r/starcitizen or /r/starcitizen_refunds where they get routinely banned  :sandance:

This is what his Twitter feed image (https://twitter.com/Kraiklyn_) looked like back on Nov 26, 2015 when he was shilling the Constellation. (https://twitter.com/Kraiklyn_/status/670002685521825792)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362664170254106624/413999007120097280/PsFXiJe.png)

And this a CS refund exchange ticket from 2015, with both Sandi and Kraiklyn|CIG in it. https://pastebin.com/mSM29KZs

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 16, 2018, 07:23:26 AM
I think it has to be CR, Sandi or inner circle, I do not believe that the person would keep their job. Unless the top brass are completely oblivious to whats going on in the forums with mods. If they were just normal hire I would believe have to believe they would be fired. No way would I let someone act with such disregard and cost my company.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 16, 2018, 07:26:11 AM
I think it has to be CR, Sandi or inner circle, I do not believe that the person would keep their job. Unless the top brass are completely oblivious to whats going on in the forums with mods. If they were just normal hire I would believe have to believe they would be fired. No way would I let someone act with such disregard and cost my company.

Precisely!
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: premiumnugz on February 16, 2018, 08:34:38 AM
He has other Twitter posts moving out of a shitty council  house in Manchester UK or moving the sofa. I don't think Sandi or Chris would be seen dead in such places, unless they're going to extreme lengths to embellish this identity  :psyduck:

Since most UK data is public from the Twitter we could probably find out which employee it really is, although I don't want to doxx anyone. Perhaps it's someone working in the UK studio under Chris's brother which is why he hasn't been fired yet.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 16, 2018, 09:47:36 AM
We don't care about any of that. The whole point was to highlight the toxicity and horrid nature of the CS staff, and that the problem is endemic to this company.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: N0mad on February 16, 2018, 09:55:37 AM
Did any of the cultists reply to your twitter thread?

Also, I've just had a thought: the cultists in Far Cry 5 are named "Peggies" (Project at Eden Gate). Well, we could start calling the Star Citizen zealots Peggies aswell after their love of J-PEG-s
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Meowz on February 17, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
We don't care about any of that. The whole point was to highlight the toxicity and horrid nature of the CS staff, and that the problem is endemic to this company.

I guess I'm in the minority when I say my interaction with CS was always pleasant, I even met my concierge at Citcon one time, very nice young lady. Refunding was relatively quick and overall a positive experience. I got the copy paste response but they dropped that act by the 2nd e-mail. The only department that actually got anything done at CIG was CS. However, if CR and SG are breathing down their necks to stop giving out refunds I can see why they have gotten a lot more difficult.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: justme on February 19, 2018, 01:36:19 AM
honestly i didn't got, that it was just a trolling thing.
some others, too.

it would be great to see a tweet with a small statement
like in here.

for me this was a bit dissapointing, because is it right to see
kraiklyn in the focus, because of the lack of CS skills. you really
could see that every day in every discussion. and i'm not alone with
my opinion, that the ingame-community is great, but the moderation
is one of the most toxic moderations i have seen in my live, also in tons
of hardcore pvp forums.

de-escalation is a word, he never heard of and instead of leading a discussion
away from the not wanted topic, like a good mod would do, he and his mods
are the ones, to keep that on, until the complete chat clams.

and with that sandi-thing, i felt that the focus is more on her, than on this
toxic person. especially for the most backers sandi is not really relevant, because
if she comes to spectrum, she is just in the concierge-subforums and this is also
not that often. maybe 2-3 times a year.

but kraiklyn is there, every fckng day.

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 19, 2018, 06:11:55 AM
I guess I'm in the minority when I say my interaction with CS was always pleasant, I even met my concierge at Citcon one time, very nice young lady. Refunding was relatively quick and overall a positive experience. I got the copy paste response but they dropped that act by the 2nd e-mail. The only department that actually got anything done at CIG was CS. However, if CR and SG are breathing down their necks to stop giving out refunds I can see why they have gotten a lot more difficult.

Yeah, not all of them are like that.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on February 19, 2018, 04:29:49 PM
Did any of the cultists reply to your twitter thread?

Also, I've just had a thought: the cultists in Far Cry 5 are named "Peggies" (Project at Eden Gate). Well, we could start calling the Star Citizen zealots Peggies aswell after their love of J-PEG-s

Pegging backers more like...

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 19, 2018, 07:05:27 PM
Did any of the cultists reply to your twitter thread?

Yeah, they were really pissed. Even started a thread with Twitter support asking to ban my account  :smuggo:

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 21, 2018, 08:45:29 AM
LOL!! This is hilarious. Watch.

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 21, 2018, 09:14:41 AM
LOL!! This is hilarious. Watch.



Great reviewer pretty funny, most fun I ever had with E/H was with the 64 bit trainer which let you jump 99ly with any ship.
I actually offered money to the devs so I could keep using it as it really helped with the boredom of watching loading screens.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 21, 2018, 03:55:24 PM
A whale song just went out to Concierge backers:

(https://i.imgur.com/gfQI4v1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UClrc4R.jpg)

Meanwhile, back at the farm, the Concierge whales aren't particularly pleased:

(https://i.imgur.com/VPbXY8V.png)
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Motto on February 21, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
They even managed to insult the whales this time (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7z9cj0/new_package_just_went_up/)   :emot-bravo:
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on February 21, 2018, 04:05:31 PM
30 playable vessels is what you normally get with your standard $50 game package.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 21, 2018, 04:50:48 PM
Yeah well, we've been saying this for MONTHS now. Glad you woke up to the reality that Star Citizen is pretty much - DEAD

2.6.1 lasted 42 days this time last year. It had 1500 pilots with 1hr+ in Squad Battle. 3.0, at 60 days has only 90 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7z8uxx/261_lasted_42_days_this_time_last_year_it_had/)
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Backer42 on February 21, 2018, 06:15:19 PM
Yeah well, we've been saying this for MONTHS now. Glad you woke up to the reality that Star Citizen is pretty much - DEAD

This is a gold mine:
Quote
My biggest fear for SC has never been that CIG won't be able to finish it, but that by the time they do, no one will care anymore.
no one will care anymore

Quote
There's definitely an invisible "deadline" looming somewhere out there (hopefully still ahead of us), after which no matter how well the game is eventually, it will have passed the point where it could have been a blockbuster smash hit.
invisible "deadline" (hopefully still ahead of us)

Guys, the deadline was Gamescom 2015.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: David-2 on February 21, 2018, 07:56:01 PM
That "Provecus Pack" forum screenshot is pretty funny.

First you have "Noff" saying the package is uninteresting to any Concierge, who he describes as "a more discerning kind of collector".

And then you have "Caedus" - a self-described "combat player" - complaining ... and I kid you not ... that this pack "is only appealing if you want a selection of ships you can play the game with".

So basically, these guys are saying: We're not in it to play the game, that's for noobs, we're here to collect the Beanie Babies.  Except, you know, without the actual plush toy.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: David-2 on February 21, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
Yeah well, we've been saying this for MONTHS now. Glad you woke up to the reality that Star Citizen is pretty much - DEAD

2.6.1 lasted 42 days this time last year. It had 1500 pilots with 1hr+ in Squad Battle. 3.0, at 60 days has only 90 (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7z8uxx/261_lasted_42_days_this_time_last_year_it_had/)

Holy crap, Derek, you've been posting a lot of junk on that thread with a couple of dozen of your various alts!

Because if not that we'd have to conclude there aren't a lot of happy campers over there ...
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: GaryII on February 22, 2018, 04:49:58 AM
A whale song just went out to Concierge backers:

30 ships ?!
If there will be game ever (Magic happens lol) = very good deal for greifer-whales..with 30 ships you can totally ignore their insurance immersion timers and send those peasants with 1 ship packages to insurance waiting screens everyday like a boss...       

 I am 110 % sure this was CIG intent here, those salty whales just do not understand AAA+ marketing..
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 22, 2018, 05:51:24 AM
Holy crap, Derek, you've been posting a lot of junk on that thread with a couple of dozen of your various alts!

Because if not that we'd have to conclude there aren't a lot of happy campers over there ...

Yeah, my alts are everywhere you see. It's an entire Russian bot army  :emot-laffo:
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 22, 2018, 06:12:47 AM
That's really shocking. I mean, completely.  This is my shocked face ---> :magical:

I think some people MISSED the point of that epic trolling Twitter thread (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964204019693453312.html). It was designed to remind everyone about the following:

- about past horrid CS activities
- that Sandi Gardiner, is a horrid person (http://www.dereksmart.com/2016/08/woman-in-gaming-so-what/); especially as portrayed in The Escapist article (https://web.archive.org/web/20170119204020/http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company)
- that most of the people at the top of CS food chain (headed by Sandi), are horrid people. e.g. See Ben Lesnick
- they have no regard for backers who gave them money; that's why they do what they do
- they continue to alienate their whales e.g. See latest $30K exit

The "Sandi is probably Kraiklyn|CIG" (who joined in 2015 (https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5678178/#Comment_5678178) - with ZERO experience in CS) was the only trolling in that thread. And it was there to point out that while that person was also patently horrid, for all intent and purposes, it could very well be Sandi herself. Plus, they all answer to her. Hence this Tweet (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/964250422839074818) below:

This was all plotted on my Discord channel btw.  :smuggo:

And of course, as expected, it causes those toxic chuckleheads grief. And since their hate-Reddit on /r/ds was closed, the hope is that they continue to spill their bullshit into either /r/starcitizen or /r/starcitizen_refunds where they get routinely banned  :sandance:

This is what his Twitter feed image (https://twitter.com/Kraiklyn_) looked like back on Nov 26, 2015 when he was shilling the Constellation. (https://twitter.com/Kraiklyn_/status/670002685521825792)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362664170254106624/413999007120097280/PsFXiJe.png)

And this a CS refund exchange ticket from 2015, with both Sandi and Kraiklyn|CIG in it. https://pastebin.com/mSM29KZs

 :emot-laffo: Man, these chuckleheads never stop delivering the lols.



UPDATE

Apparently Henry Davis (aka Kraiklyn) now thinks pointing to his own Twitter feed, is somehow doxing. This is a CIG employee and community moderator for Star Citizen (which harbors one of the most TOXIC gaming communities in recent memory).

https://twitter.com/Kraiklyn_/status/965918804625842176

Quote
So @Twitter - Is it acceptable to permit someone to go hardcore creep, dox and stalk you without consequence? - I am seeing this happen way too often, and you seemingly fail to act on it. It was funny at first...This is just getting creepy now

In fact, since I first did this tweet thread a week ago, I have received numerous messages about this particularly person and how, even as CIG moderator, he is deeply embedded in one of the most toxic Star Citizen organizations. And there's lots of proof.

There is a Star Citizen group called the "Organization" (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/ORG) who sources say is protected by admin "Kraik". Despite being involved in active bullying, harassment etc, as well as selling video editing skills, bots and script tools used for spying. The source also says that "Kraik" has an active buddy relationship with a user named "Director_Alpha", hence the protection racket.

(https://imgur.com/WGadlgC.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/exmNTqC.jpg)

Just to give you an idea of who we're talking about

(https://imgur.com/iPWMkv9.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/v5Rt14O.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/lhogJAN.jpg)

Yes - asking for and using the personal information of other users - is perfectly OK. Why would any mod ban them for such a silly thing?

(https://imgur.com/riPx6BN.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/pKe1I1d.jpg)

Meet the leader....

https://testsquadron.com/members/soundwave-sw.4457/

He's a real peach...

https://testsquadron.com/threads/12-days-of-meta.12358/

In case you were wondering. Yes, they're all active in TEST squadron.

https://twitter.com/testsquadron

....which is headed by non other than - you guessed it - Montoya

https://twitter.com/montoya_test

See how it all makes sense now?



Twitter thread (https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/964204019693453312)

UPDATE1

This is them attacking an autistic group

https://testsquadron.com/threads/a-funny-thing-happened-last-week-ego-war-and-tantrums-oh-my.10431/

They are currently also bullying and targeting an ex-army vet with PTSD named Mediaflare in an attempt to dismantle his role-playing group after they claimed he didn't discipline his friend, an ex NAM vet who was engaging and trying to expose them.

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on February 22, 2018, 07:35:19 AM
And he doesn't have the brains to ignore it....
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 22, 2018, 07:47:57 AM
And he doesn't have the brains to ignore it....

What would be the sense in that? Remember, these guys are a few raisins short of a fruitcake. It's even more hilarious that this was a week ago. But no, he had to start it up again. So now he has my full and undivided attention. These morons forget that Goons are EVERYWHERE. So there is literally NOTHING that they can do to hide abhorrent activities.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 22, 2018, 08:49:00 AM
What would be the sense in that? Remember, these guys are a few raisins short of a fruitcake. It's even more hilarious that this was a week ago. But no, he had to start it up again. So now he has my full and undivided attention. These morons forget that Goons are EVERYWHERE. So there is literally NOTHING that they can do to hide abhorrent activities.

Lot to read through not quite sure at times what they are talking about. My take on the evidence presented is they are one big interconnected hive protecting CR and dedicated removing any dissented even if its true and founded?
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 22, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
Lot to read through not quite sure at times what they are talking about. My take on the evidence presented is they are one big interconnected hive protecting CR and dedicated removing any dissented even if its true and founded?

Yes. But worse; they apparently have access to backer RL info. I also just updated my post with more info. Scroll to the bottom.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Flashwit on February 22, 2018, 09:36:16 AM
This is a lot of theorycrafting nonsense to put into organizations for a game that doesn't even exist. What would one even discuss within an organization at this point? There's nothing to actually do.

I am of course liable for all of this since I'm also a member of Test Squadron. Montoya is my god.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 22, 2018, 09:41:01 AM
I think she's still having withdrawal symptoms. FF to @ 03:50


I have mixed feelings about @StarCitizenAA , one of the most devoted Star Citizen streamers since the beginning. Always polite, respectful, never toxic. From time to time, I watch her videos & wonder how CIG could drop the ball so badly.

She also used to be the ONLY streamer who had access to top tier execs like Sandi Gardiner, as well as Ben Lesnick (single-handedly responsible for the community toxicity).

Then CIG sidelined Ben into the back lot under the guise that CIG execs would no longer appear on streams.

Suddenly, her stream lost ALL of its exclusive and pertinent content, thus relegating her to the ranks of those chuckleheads (who have also seemingly bailed) like Redacted, WTFOsaurus, BoredGamer etc. Leaving morons like Montoya who does more harm than good, to carry the torch.

Star Citizen is dead.

The community knows it.

Gamers with more than two brain cells know it.

The streamers know it.

EVERYONE working on it at studios around the world, know it. But hey, they still make payroll. So.

Twitch and YT engagement are lower than any cat video.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Motto on February 22, 2018, 01:25:08 PM
The moment CIG crashes and she realises that she has wasted over 5 years on this "game" will be excruciating.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 22, 2018, 03:37:31 PM
Went back through and read through it, what bank accounts is he referring to? If they are just an org dedicated to SC and he's not from what I can tell tied to CIG's accounting / merchant processing then I'm really lost. Even for CIG I find it hard to believe that he would have bank information not sure how to process his statement in light of position.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 22, 2018, 04:39:12 PM
The moment CIG crashes and she realises that she has wasted over 5 years on this "game" will be excruciating.

I think she's slowly realizing it now, though some of us feel she (like other backers) are stuck in Battered Wife Syndrome of some sort.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on February 22, 2018, 05:22:07 PM
The moment CIG crashes and she realises that she has wasted over 5 years on this "game" will be excruciating.

She has been laid from it...prob been worth it.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: helimoth on February 25, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
I think she's slowly realizing it now, though some of us feel she (like other backers) are stuck in Battered Wife Syndrome of some sort.

Very much so. She sees it more of a 'cause' now than just a game. Part way through her video she mentions her "commitment" to the game and it was a little sad to hear. Now don't get me wrong - high level streamers and competitive players of a game do need to be committed to a game the same way anybody has to be committed to their job, but for most players a game is something you can play for as long or as little as you want - until you stop having fun then you go do something else. The point at which you resign your enjoyment of a game to a commitment I think is the point one needs to take a step back.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 26, 2018, 11:15:21 AM
Ho Lee Cow!!  :emot-laffo:

FF to 11:30


Gorf wrote them a letter.

(http://i.imgur.com/e4pObIx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3QHf9uQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aiKhjbq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Mcblo5c.jpg)

Here is the album: https://imgur.com/a/0teZB
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 26, 2018, 11:34:06 AM
Meanwhile, over at the lol factory, Quavers from SA made this observation of the new narrative from die-hard chuckleheads.



I'm not sure if that was already spotted, but long-time shill Stupid_Question_Bot has folded.  From this 9 months ago:

(https://i.imgur.com/6QQKMmo.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/69iloi/in_an_attempt_to_preempt_any_doomandgloom_posts/)

...to a few days ago:

(https://i.imgur.com/0YlCb2P.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7z8uxx/261_lasted_42_days_this_time_last_year_it_had/dunt280/)

(https://i.imgur.com/6tIluhG.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7zhp1o/the_next_million_milestone_is_now_a_casual_thing/duock7a/)
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 26, 2018, 12:13:27 PM
That time when a Shitizen was advocating for rape mechanics in the game. Seriously, this is not a Photoshop.

(https://i.imgur.com/u3fVyks.png)
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 26, 2018, 01:44:10 PM
That time when...


I love dune and read all the books but this a totally wft idea. I will pay for the flight if anyone that would like go have a few sleepovers at his house to play SC. Considering Harkonnen was into the same thing he's proposing might been in for some good times after playing SC.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 26, 2018, 03:41:48 PM
This thread is Gold.

How Did You Feel About Telling People to 'Wait For 3.0'?
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/80e0qe/how_did_you_feel_about_telling_people_to_wait_for/
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Penny579 on February 27, 2018, 03:17:34 AM
Is there a really comprehensive infographic around?  something that shows, funding, announced release dates, actual patch dates. dates of some of the big scandals.  Dare I say even speculation to the finish line.

I have seen the promises tracker, but its hard to get the true sense of whats going on other than it is not finished.

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 27, 2018, 07:53:00 AM
Is there a really comprehensive infographic around?  something that shows, funding, announced release dates, actual patch dates. dates of some of the big scandals.  Dare I say even speculation to the finish line.

I have seen the promises tracker, but its hard to get the true sense of whats going on other than it is not finished.

funding - check their website
release dates - check their website
patch dates - check their website
dates of big scandals - check my blogs, Twitter feed, Something Awful, Reddit
speculation to the finish line - there is no. the project is FUBAR
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on February 27, 2018, 07:53:42 AM
Well that's a tad hostile. Man, Shitizens are the best.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/80e0qe/how_did_you_feel_about_telling_people_to_wait_for/duvlqii/

"True, very true. CR has stated right from the start he wanted to do this game differently then the established publisher/developer system. And I can't blame him. Both EA and M$ screwed him over, so it's pretty easy to see why he wants to try a different route. This means that of course he's going to keep fundraising as people keep throwing money at him, why not? He's stated it's all going to go to developing and maintaining the game. So unless it's the con some people think it is it's not a bad thing they keep raising more money IMHO.

In the end the question for me comes down to the integrity and track record of the person at the helm of this experiment. I trust Mr. Roberts. I think that SC is his magnum opus, the game he always envisioned while he was making his earlier games. While it isn't too hard to suspect some of the other people involved I feel that for CR this is a matter of pride. He wants, hell even needs, SC to succeed so he can show all the publishers (especially the ones that screwed him over) that they're fucking idiots that have stifled game development much more than they have advanced it.

That's good enough for me. Will I be disappointed if the game fails or CR proves to have feet of clay and it's all a con? No. I'll be totally pissed off and out for blood. I mean it. CR will need to spend all the money on purchasing an estate he never leaves, or drastic plastic surgery, maybe both. But I don't see that going down. Taking forever to reach a more polished state? Sure, but eventually we'll all have the game that CR intends us to have, and I feel it'll be something really special.
"
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 27, 2018, 08:19:33 AM
Well that's a tad hostile. Man, Shitizens are the best.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/80e0qe/how_did_you_feel_about_telling_people_to_wait_for/duvlqii/


I think your analogy "Remember, these guys are a few raisins short of a fruitcake" is not strong enough for this one.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Motto on February 27, 2018, 08:23:13 AM
So, one raisin short of a fruitcake factory?
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on February 27, 2018, 08:28:57 AM
So, one raisin short of a fruitcake factory?

 :emot-lol: yep that would be fitting analogy.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on February 27, 2018, 10:05:37 AM

I think your analogy "Remember, these guys are a few raisins short of a fruitcake" is not strong enough for this one.

Cretins like him are in every company and organisation.   Thick as pig shit, making idiotic decisions and thinking they are geniuses...
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 02, 2018, 08:19:36 PM
Talking about the tracker in over in reddit, link to it so many times since they always question game progress.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/81f9tz/very_detailed_and_inclusive_star_citizen_progress/
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Motto on March 03, 2018, 03:36:00 AM
I think this discussion (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/80ycxr/30_is_boring_now/) says it all. The hype is over, Chris has lost the momentum and failing to deliver a decent patch or - more likely - failing to deliver a patch as promised at all, will turn more fanboys away. This game is dead.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on March 03, 2018, 03:48:55 AM
I think this discussion (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/80ycxr/30_is_boring_now/) says it all. The hype is over, Chris has lost the momentum and failing to deliver a decent patch or - more likely - failing to deliver a patch as promised at all, will turn more fanboys away. This game is dead.

The sales of JPEGS in the mid price ranges will show us how dead as CRoberts relies on relatively new Backers "upgrading" their JPEG fleet as they become sucked in to whatever fantasy game they have devised in their head.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 03, 2018, 08:33:57 AM
Interesting post on spectrum from Ortwin on UK credits, the posts and pictures are  :emot-laffo:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/re-uk-tax-rebate-advance-for-foundry-42

Tempted to ask if they will make the 3 year deadline.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 03, 2018, 09:37:22 AM
Another great show, been watching to see the post go bonkers but so far relatively good for his latest work.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 05, 2018, 10:27:29 AM
Yes, we know that Shitizens have a knack for revisionist history. But even though Crytek said in their court filings that they made the tech demos - something that CIG didn't even deny or regard in their filings, there are those who still keep saying the opposite (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/81f84p/star_citizen_update_cig_vs_crytek_youtuber_law/dv6k1d8/).

Well....

Quote
No, I don't have link. That was over five years and three forums ago. Those of us who have been around since the beginning know the story behind the prototype and how Star Citizen became a crowdfunding endeavor. Even if there was a chance to find a corresponding thread in the Wordpress abomination that was our website and forum back then, I won't spend probably countless hours crawling through the internet archives to find that thread.

If I remember correctly it was Ben Lesnik who told us about the production of the prototype, that Chris Roberts wrote the bespoke code on top of the of the CryEngine, sometimes on his own, sometimes with the help of tech consultants like Paul Reindell. CGBot was involved in the project until 2014. The very first generation of ships and art assets - the one that you see in the original pitch trailer - were done by them.

Again, all of that is well known to those who have been here since the beginning, but many of the original sources are now hidden deep in some archives from over five years ago. I guess we should probably ask Ben to tell the story again so that we have a fresh source. One small source I can give you right away is this interview with Paul Reindell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2hETOEGt-Q&t=63s) where he talks about how he got involved in the project. Note that he didn't see the prototype until Chris had send him a demo for troubleshooting.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on March 05, 2018, 05:19:10 PM
Yes, we know that Shitizens have a knack for revisionist history. But even though Crytek said in their court filings that they made the tech demos - something that CIG didn't even deny or regard in their filings, there are those who still keep saying the opposite (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/81f84p/star_citizen_update_cig_vs_crytek_youtuber_law/dv6k1d8/).

Well....

Isnt a problem with this that although Reindell says he helped Chris with the prototype in his capacity as a Technical Consultant at Crytek, it isnt clear how extensively he helped ?
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 06, 2018, 08:22:06 AM
Isnt a problem with this that although Reindell says he helped Chris with the prototype in his capacity as a Technical Consultant at Crytek, it isnt clear how extensively he helped ?

That information obviously isn't public, so there is no way of knowing the extent of his assistant. It's largely irrelevant however. What I think is relevant is what I tweeted yesterday (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/970714392764518400.html).  The guys who left CryTek and joined the early stages of the project, as well as those who were involved in the decision making for the switch from CE3 to LY, including those who worked on that, are key to the lawsuit claims that Crytek is making.

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 06, 2018, 05:10:52 PM
The 'Tales of Citizens' podcast, one of the longest running since the original 2012 Kickstarter, has bailed. He's lost faith in the game, no longer passionate about it etc.


Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 06, 2018, 05:37:40 PM
The 'Tales of Citizens' podcast, one of the longest running since the original 2012 Kickstarter, has bailed. He's lost faith in the game, no longer passionate about it etc.


Interesting that he is not directly blaming cig, wonder if the die hard believers have soured the experience for him. Went back and watched his dec 5 video and he did not seem to off towards SC at that time.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: GaryII on March 07, 2018, 12:52:02 AM
Interesting that he is not directly blaming cig,

 I think he is just lying...he just does not want to anger SC Defence Forces, but d/l ratio is 16/7 so... 
 In general no surprise, because even big SC streams are't playing game anymore because performance is just horrible and no new content...   
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Aya Reiko on March 07, 2018, 02:11:25 AM
Interesting that he is not directly blaming cig, wonder if the die hard believers have soured the experience for him. Went back and watched his dec 5 video and he did not seem to off towards SC at that time.
You'll see why he's jumping ship if you go to his videos tab and switch view to "Most Popular". 
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 07, 2018, 06:14:48 AM
I think he is just lying...he just does not want to anger SC Defence Forces, but d/l ratio is 16/7 so... 

I agree. You can tell from the video (see the slight wink at the end there?) that his reason for bailing is clear. Also, why would he need to make a video that he's bailing? Others have quietly slinked away without any fanfare or warning.

It's the mantra for those who were once avid believers and who - at all costs - will never admit that they backed the wrong horse, were scammed etc.

Heck, even on Spectrum, Reddit etc, each time you see one of the faithful attempt to express concern or dissent, they have to precede it with the non-disclaimer bullshit like "...I like the game, I think it's awesome...but"

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 07, 2018, 06:15:58 AM
Interesting that he is not directly blaming cig, wonder if the die hard believers have soured the experience for him. Went back and watched his dec 5 video and he did not seem to off towards SC at that time.

Yeah, that was at the height of the 3.1 Jesus Patch debut. Now they see that the emperor had no knickers.  :emot-laffo:
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 07, 2018, 07:17:33 AM
After reading all three response GaryII, Aya Reiko, dsmart, I just took at face value and did not think about ulterior motives.
But after reading your posts it really does make sense now for why he would come up with such an odd reason to quit something you supposedly really like. 
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Motto on March 07, 2018, 07:56:15 AM
It's not the fault that CIG is taking so long, it's my fault that I don't have the patience.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 07, 2018, 08:45:26 AM
Interesting vid, but still shouts its something that's never been done before.

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 07, 2018, 08:51:29 AM
It's not the fault that CIG is taking so long, it's my fault that I don't have the patience.

 :emot-laffo:
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 07, 2018, 08:52:15 AM
Interesting vid, but still shouts its something that's never been done before.

You see, the more they claim "it's never been done before", the more likely it is to come true.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 07, 2018, 08:59:05 AM
You see, the more they claim "it's never been done before", the more likely it is to come true.  :rolleyes:
:emot-lol:
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: GaryII on March 07, 2018, 09:41:20 AM
You see, the more they claim "it's never been done before", the more likely it is to come true.  :rolleyes:

Yeah...and it will stay as never done...ever...

Current state of SC after 6 years and 180m shows, that "old" model with publishers is better for AAA development, because if you do not have publisher that keeps you in check, project can go off the rails with feature creep and endless refactorings..
Especially if you have perfectionist guru with history (Freelancer...) as CEO... 

And this looks like is true for other kickstarters too, e.g. System shock fail...
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 07, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
:emot-lol:

It's amazing. Despite the fact that there is literally NOTHING in the game that hasn't been done before, they've been uttering and spreading that croberts-inspired bullshit forever.

For example, this is a now deleted Reddit meltdown someone shared on SA (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&pagenumber=3883&perpage=40#post481935245) and which exhibits this same problem.

(https://i.imgur.com/4IqTgad.png) (https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/82o1kp/how_come_we_are_willing_to_spend_so_much_money_on/dvbgsx0/)
This random Derek Smart meltdown quickly explained:
(https://i.imgur.com/9G2koJ1.png)
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 07, 2018, 10:30:51 AM
And this looks like is true for other kickstarters too, e.g. System shock fail...

The $1.4M Robotech Kickstarter is an absolute disaster (https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/2/17071612/robotech-rpg-tactics-kickstarter-disaster-palladium-books)
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 07, 2018, 10:54:34 AM
It's amazing. Despite the fact that there is literally NOTHING in the game that hasn't been done before, they've been uttering and spreading that croberts-inspired bullshit forever.

Seems like he's the one having a meltdown since your just a community voice to the scam, I'm sure you and many others have some impact on sales. Even that is true Chris himself has stated he can finish the game if funding stopped. Also what are the statistics he showing how many post that have been made concerning you?

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 07, 2018, 11:02:15 AM

https://twitter.com/CuriousClown/status/971349609422434304 (https://twitter.com/CuriousClown/status/971349609422434304)

Quote
Derek, @Versecast of “Those guys with Ships” org under @HouseGleep command also stopped making SC related content after 190(!!!) episodes
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 13, 2018, 07:55:53 AM
Meanwhile, back at the water cooler (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/396642-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v8?p=6513278&viewfull=1#post6513278).

(https://i.imgur.com/6EYSPLd.png)

It's almost as if some people didn't know that I was writing my blogs and articles for a reason. It's all in there. So NONE of this should be news.

And...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYLTcPpWsAE0bXZ.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 13, 2018, 08:35:49 AM
Meanwhile,

The picture is awesome, I'm going to try and find the video of Chris talking about working on the game with up to 9 or 10 other people before the kickstarter. I'm pretty sure I remember him speaking about that but it has been awhile if anyone else remembers this it would help confirm memory is correct.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 13, 2018, 11:09:13 AM
LOL! Batgirl is back - Gorf is on her case.




YOUTUBE: BATGIRL’S “STAR CITIZEN AA STARTING NEW AGAIN IN SC 3.01”

PART 1

From her YouTube Description: “While I am waiting for Tyler to release the new method of obtaining CIG guests for my show, I am just playing the Alpha Build. There is so much promise in this title, I can help but be a bit anxious for it all to work out.”

(I think you meant to type “can’t” Batgirl but hope is so instinctive that you prevented yourself...)

And yes, I’m splitting this summary into two parts, for your sake fellow thread readers and for my own.



Batgirl returns to the game after a non-sequitur outing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv9oSZCvK74) that felt at first glance like a cry for help. (Alas, it was a collaborative work with some other intended audience so it needs no additional examination.)

As Batgirl returns, so too must I in my duties as chief essayist of her adventures. And it would seem, as her latest journey to nowhere begins, that I may have come in the crosshairs myself after 3 years of intermittent thread reporting on Batgirl’s reporting...

0:20 - Batgirl seems to throw an elbow this direction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=0m20s), “It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even express frustration with a game I love without people picking it up and thinking of criticizing the development of the game.”

(It’s been that way longer than you think (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=214315&perpage=40&pagenumber=62#post461095969). Goonship must be earned, too, and I’m doing my part.)

0:58 - After that opening jab, Batgirl then proceeds to achieve peak irony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=0m58s) by explaining that she’s tried to record a video of her just enjoying the game but “the servers have been absolute crap” when she has.

1:58 - (These are your words, Batgirl.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m92yvNscIAo&t=1m58s)

Batgirl muses that perhaps CIG isn’t paying attention to server issues then speculates about early morning reboots, as she enjoys higher frame rates when she...

...OH CRAP WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THAT GUY? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=1m48s)

2:27 - Batgirl recounts a happier recent play session that she apparently didn’t record. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=2m27s) Yet she then starts to let her Citizen guard down and open up, admitting that times have been rather hard for her in the Verse economically speaking (and in every other possible manner, really.)  Her constant session-crashes while flying cargo-laden ships have nearly wiped out her credit balances, balances she’d built up with countless joyless hours of space trucking.

THE PURGATORIAL LOOP

Behold the Purgatorial Loop, Batgirl. Again. (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=214315&perpage=40&pagenumber=15#post480372006) Behold the Grand Parade. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNqSpuN2GFE&t=1m4s)

If you would find peace in this lifeless, nihilist play experience,  you must channel the enlightened wisdom of your former fellow Space Game streamer Dan Gheesling, who said THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9CO8i5XXsQ&t=15m28s) when facing circumstances quite similar to you own (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=214315&perpage=40&pagenumber=8#post479031033) (and then promptly bugged out of covering this game (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800238&userid=214315&perpage=40&pagenumber=16#post480626548) to play fun games instead.) 



2:52 - Right on queue, she starts experiencing frame rate issues. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=2m52s) “This is not going to be a good night....” (It will for one of us, Batgirl. If not you, the streamer, then me, the space journalist reporting live from the scene of the accident.) “We’re going to try though, because I really want to talk about the game.”

3:05 - In that spirit of hopefulness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=3m05s), Batgirl discusses her plans for a future 3.1 play session, one which will benefit from that ‘huge optimization patch’ and the addition of service beacons...

:negative:

3:33 - ”A patch, a fix, a patch, a fix... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=3m33s) And we got a patch, and I haven’t seen the fix. I just never expected 3.1 was going to be the fix for 3.0...”

4:33 - Batgirl then discusses attempts to complete fighter missions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=4m33s) but these too have come to ruin due to server instability and lag.

5:15 - Batgirl opts for a new cargo mission with the roomy Freelancer, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=5m15s) yet only moments after spawning the ship, her bat-senses start tingling with foreboding. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=5m30s)

6:15 - Batgirl utters the Shibbolethic Mantra of Critical Indictment: ”I absolutely love the game — I do...” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=6m15s) — The phrase, whether when written or uttered aloud, is a goodwill tax paid upfront by native citizens before words of criticism are dared. While the phrase is generally considered sufficient to orient another to intent, she follows it with formal pleading, “... but please, when I criticize things, when I show frustrations like things like this...” and the indictments begin:

6:23 - “The physics are still bugged — because they’re not going to fix it until most of the systems are in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=6m23s). But you can see the right landing gear over here glitching through the deck. You can see this one off, up and in the air, you can see the ship kind of rocking back and forth...”

REFLECTIONS ON THE PURGATORIAL LOOP

She boards the glitching, rocking, tilted craft in the game she loves so much and makes her way down a dark corridor towards the pilot’s seat. Nearly 8 minutes of gameless, buggy busywork have passed now. To her, it is but a blinking of the eye, just as the last 6 years spent in pre-Alpha have been. Yet to us, the grindingly dull Sprint of a Dozen Corridors is both micro and macro of Chris Roberts purgatorial vision both of game design and backer patronage itself. This is the loop.

You will forever feel the sensation of running yet rarely know the joys of progress. You will wait for fun both inside and outside his game because Roberts demands that you pay and you wait. Just as he has wiped you out inside of the game he will wipe you out outside of it if you continue to play.

7:58 - Meanwhile, back in the game, Batgirl’s adventure is finally ready to begin! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=7m58s)

Oh no. Wait. She’s still stuck in Roberts purgatorial loop. It can not be escaped so easily despite the 8 minutes already suffered, for the bugs descend on her like The Flies in Sartre’s classic, and in this play and that play they are the collective punishment of the many for the sins of the few; they are the price forever paid for faith.

9:02 - A minute of futzing with keybindings via the advanced menu liberates her from this particular setback. And so, now 9 minutes in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=9m2s) to this play session, the quest for fun can finally begin.

9:35 - JUMPING TO YELLIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=9m35s)[/url]

The jump has her cockpit jostling about frightfully as if the forces themselves might tear the ship apart. She’s nonplussed, however, because it’s just the hassle of an interdiction event that obliges her to another jump to escape it. It’s not like she wants to bother with combat in this turkey — that’s a bigger slog than cargo missions.

11:00 - Having jumped to Yellin, she has yet more time to kill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=11m0s), for that was grand bargain of the PG switch in the first place and might as well be a slogan for any space sim that embraces it:

Procedural Generation: Hope you’ve got some time to kill

11:33 - After pleading for commenters to offer assistance with some mouse related business, Batgirl directs a message possibly at your author specifically. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=11m33s)

“Now, I know that the critics are going to say, ‘There’s not a lot of game there, how are you going to have fun?’ — And I think it’s one of those things where you make your own fun...”

:negative:

I honestly think I’m having more fun writing up this summary of your gameplay experience than you’re having playing it and I’m unironically making Sartre references. (i.e. this is quickly growing wearying.)

“...And that’s what you have to do in Star Citizen right now, it’s because there’s not going to be content for a very long time. Not until the game actually enters Beta.” (She reflects briefly and amends her statement.) “Well, there is content, there is Miles Eckhart, and... the only reason I don’t partake in the Miles Eckhart quest is because well.. they’re not bugged, the GAME is bugged, I fly all the way out to Delamar, I get the quest with him, the missions with him, and 9 out of 10 times I crash and it’s like a waste of time...”



”Jean Paul?” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aodANheTMpY&t=0m22s)

“Cigarette?”

“No, No...”

POW!



12:33 - Now over a dozen minutes into a gameless play session, Batgirl casually mentions that she’s taken up drinking while playing Star Citizen. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=12m33s) Is that what you meant by “finding your own fun”, Batgirl?

For what is now probably the fourth time in the last half-dozen sporadically released Star Citizen videos, she talks about her desire to get back into streaming the game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=12m45s)

Sure. Why should you and I have to be the only ones having to suffer through this?

12:59 - Batgirl then mourns the loss of her fellow Lightspeed Lunatics streamers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=12m59s), for they have stopped making time for the existential miseries of Star Citizen fandom. Most of us play games to escape the burdens of our day to day grinds not augment and compound them. But you do you, Batgirl.

THE GRIEVANCE RETURNS

13:39 - I’d wondered how long into this particular video we might have to journey before the axe-grinding about The Grand Betrayal might begin. Turns out it starts at 13:39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=13m39s).

And here, I actually rather agree. Despite her eccentricities, Batgirl is one of the better fan journalists CIG has had. She’s produced more inadvertent scoops just by virtue of her repeated access to Ben and Sandi and I can only assume that was part of the problem.

CIG is engaged in outright hypocrisy and two-faced deceit by shutting you out while granting an all access pass to Bored Gamer. Fact. My cynical read is that you outlived your usefulness to CIG LA during the critical transition period that saw Wingman decapitated and Sandi and Ben awkwardly joining together in a Chris-approved effort to elevate Sandi’s symbolic fanbase authority to levels equal to that she enjoys organizationally as The Boss’s Wife.

Batgirl mentions that the excuse offered for her reduced access is that Ben is working on a “Top Secret Project.” Aside from continuing as the world’s foremost hoarder of the Detritus of Chris Roberts, one assumes perhaps he’s been tasked with overseeing some propagandistic duty like getting “The Wonderful World of Star Citizen” documentary prepped. But who knows?



14:50 - BATGIRL REFLECTS ON 5 YEARS OF FANDOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=14m50s)

15:40 - Be very careful, Batgirl. Very careful.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=15m40s) You are already fighting for renewed CIG face time and you sure aren’t going to make that easy by saying nice things about that other game.

Hey, speaking of games, did you realize that Batgirl’s still playing one? That moon has actually been getting closer for several minutes!

:chanpop:

To my enormous relief, at 16:30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=16m30s) Batgirl starts talking about monitor crap I feel absolutely no duty to summarize. As it begins I say a silent prayer that it might actually stretch for another 20 minutes or so and allow me to bring this overlong summary to a conclusion because WE AREN'T EVEN AT THE HALF-WAY MARK!

Purgatory.

...and it lasts about 2 minutes.

OH FOR THE LOVE OF BENJI (https://youtu.be/9jiDEwkmOEc) WE STILL HAVEN’T REACHED THE HALF-WAY MARK!
:negative:

18:22 - Batgirl mentions her gratitude for the donations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=18m22s) that helped her upgrade her hardware... which then becomes a chance to remind people how Patreon is spelled... which then becomes a chance to give her address. But hey, she’s hanging in and still talking about this game as others fall away and seek out idols. She at least deserves to get paid for what she endures and the truth is that Kegerator sure isn’t going to fill itself.

19:29 - Oh wait... is she going to start talking about monitors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=19m29s) again? Saints be praised!

It lasts about ten seconds.

:negative:

(Are you starting to sense the true purgatorial power on display here? Because it’s so overwhelming it’s bleeding into the meta and making me victim of it as well.)

19:39 - Batgirl segues to another topic with the grace of Makarova. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=19m39s)

That topic is her love of several other game genres and her particular fondness for the story and agency rich RPG world of Fallout Games, particularly Bethesda’s entries. And this gets Batgirl musing, as she passes the 8 minute mark of her approach to Yellin (yes, she’s still playing the game — really!), about some things.

20:18 - ”I’ve been playing them like crazy, and... I don’t get a lot of followers when I play them on Twitch because I can’t help but believe those games would be boring for people watching... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=20m18s)

:negative::negative::negative:

(I’m taking a few deep breaths at this point.)

20:34 - Batgirl talks about how much she loves exploration and discovery of lore, stories, terminals and the rest of it you get in Bethesda’s Fallout games. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=20m34s)

Oh Batgirl, you don’t worry. You won’t have to wait that much longer. My boy Todd has such wonderful things to show you with  Starfield (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3773823), and you will finally see your love of RPGs and Sci-Fi rewarded like you never dared dream... You gotta believe!)

20:54 - Batgirl shares her feeling as she approaches Yellin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzshUF2IWZc&t=20m34s) (still approaching!) that it would be a tragedy of CIG didn’t flesh out their worlds like Bethesda has done. After all, you can fit all of Skyrim in one of Chris’s craters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Hp-3mdgUA&t=8m35s), right? And as the Code Whisperer assured himself some time ago, “worlds need life and danger”.

Yes, Batgirl, that would be a tragedy. Chris has promised us millions of NPCs and Tony Z. has spoken of the lifelong relationships we will form with them. It would be quite a letdown if those huge planets that take us 15 gameless minutes to even land on ended up bereft of much in the way of plots, stories and adventure.

But I’ve heard it often said about this game, particularly in response to critics, that “you make your own fun.” And as long as you know how to do that? Well, you should be absolutely fine.


(END OF PART 1 because I need a break and we’re still not to the halfway mark. I will eventually append this with a Part 2 and drop a link rather than throw another novel in here...)


Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Spunky Munkee on March 13, 2018, 11:12:32 AM
I suppose that in Chris Robbers mind getting someone else to do the work for you for free is "Working on development".
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 16, 2018, 10:20:48 AM
LOL!! They want Chris Roberts to step down. :emot-lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/84vwnv/an_open_letter_to_cloud_imperium_games/
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 16, 2018, 12:08:54 PM
LOL!! They want Chris Roberts to step down. :emot-lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/84vwnv/an_open_letter_to_cloud_imperium_games/


LOL I will step in and put a note defending the awesome ongoing development of this game.

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 16, 2018, 02:54:44 PM

LOL I will step in and put a note defending the awesome ongoing development of this game.

Well it didn't even survive 10 mins over at the theme park :emote-lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/84x59n/an_open_letter_to_cloud_imperium_games/

Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 16, 2018, 04:52:17 PM
Well it didn't even survive 10 mins over at the theme park :emote-lol:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/84x59n/an_open_letter_to_cloud_imperium_games/

Yep so sad put some effort into to it, both posts removed almost instantly.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 25, 2018, 08:02:53 AM
The SpaceBro Show -  3/23/2018

1:43 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h43m) - "we're gonna be back to the same [progress graphs], where it's these cool bars that never do anything for the last quarter to the whole year"
1:43:57 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h43m57s) - "'two or three years it's going to be better', I was here saying the same thing and here we are. I mean [...] this damn item 2.0, we been hearing about this shit for like two year, and it's still not all the way implemented. It's not in. We keep hearing about this magic sauce about it.'"
1:45:25 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h45m25s) - 'I like how they're including us, that's a plus. but I also feel like this is methodology in order to push things out of 3.2 and then blame us'  <--- @G0RF [email protected]@K
1:49:35 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h49m35s) - "We need more gameplay loops" "My God. This is a multiplayer game it's supposed to be long term, and we still haven't fixed the party system" "What party system?" "Exactly"
1:50 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h50m) - 'oh we're raggin on CIG? Well usually everyone is a kissass fanboy and you don't get to hear this stuff. We still love Star Citizen. We've been hearing two or three years since forever'
1:53 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h53m) - "'we could all get into a connie together' oh great, it would be me driving and a bunch of dudes hanging out watching; cause there's nothing to do in the ship together."
1:55 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h55m) - 'wtf am I even voting on, I don't understand half of these'
1:57:15 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=1h57m15s) - "I don't like this survey"
3:00:13 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=2h59m34s) - 'Theres been 5 "exclusive" ships that they've re-released. Everything I bought that I thought was special doesn't mean shit, and it kinda pisses me off a little bit.'
3:23:45 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=3h23m) - "I don't care about nothing but the ships"
3:29:40 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/242415520?t=3h29m40s) - riff on limited sales
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 25, 2018, 12:49:01 PM
Another Star citizen made it to the coveted concierge status
.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/86xk28/sigh_well_i_did_itconcierge/


LagOutLoud 3 points 18 hours ago

I was the same. It get's worse. Now I'm less than 700 away from a gold flight suit...
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: Meowz on March 25, 2018, 09:33:08 PM
Idk what 3.5k gets you now with the new gold items but the 3.5k I got back has provided much more fun than SC ever did! I came here a long time ago to see the opposing views and have some laughs at DS. Instead I got my money back, the irony...
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 26, 2018, 04:25:31 AM
Idk what 3.5k gets you now with the new gold items but the 3.5k I got back has provided much more fun than SC ever did! I came here a long time ago to see the opposing views and have some laughs at DS. Instead I got my money back, the irony...

:emot-lol: yeah, it's been a crazy ride. Back in 2015 when I wrote The July Blog, I never imagined that we would still be here debating and loling at this train wreck. You would think that a company with some many people and so much money, would have delivered something by now. It's unbelievable to me.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 26, 2018, 06:16:33 AM
Gorf is at it again.



Quote from: G0RF" post="482506665
Quote from: The Titanic" post="482503378
One of the cutest things about Chris is that it always feels like he's out of touch with everything going on around him.

We've only actually seen him try to play his own game one time, and that single time spawned years of hilarious gifs and other things. But the root of it was he had no idea about his own game. He acted and played it as if it was the first time he's ever seen it. He commented on such things as bashing his own chat interface, etc.

So from the standpoint where he really doesn't know and probably most importantly doesn't care about what his own game can actually for real do, all he needs to do is assume. So he goes on record bashing other games and studios because he can only assume his is better. For him though, his assumptions are his for real belief.

This is sort of his wizardry that has helped to keep his dumpster fire burning though. His complete inability to recognize the failure of his game and just blindly ignore its condition and tout it like its better than anything has given people willpower to believe in his lies.

Unfortunately however, because he's also got this sycophantic-like part public and people whom already believe his game is better than most AAA products as is, it's going to be tough for him to believe anything less.

There's a hilarious possibility that all the paid internet management companies he has doing social media crowd control are some of the people he listens to and is told about. It's very likely he has no idea what those users are. So his companies finger on the pulse may be dead set on listening to the people they are paying to turn the tide of belief.  Pure misunderstanding.

Now how to explain how they continually make the same amount of money each year even at this stage of doubt and shaking belief?  Dunno! :)

My best guess here is there is a larger bank account nobody knows about that is continually piping a set amount of money into CIG at pretty even intervals. May be in the form of those magical "completionist packages" that just randomly get sold about once a day or something but naturally nobody ever claims to be the buyer of. I would be hard pressed to believe any company working via donations would continually make almost the same amount of yearly revenue. Especially when confidence is lowering.

He is the chief emitter of this distorted view, though, due to his amoral character and his myopic biases towards Assets against Mechanics. He’s pathologically addicted to the game loop of selling high poly ultra-fidelity in game assets and robbing his own artists of their design agency by micromanaging even the most trivial details to the Nth degree then telling himself “I am the Master (https://youtu.be/ByYkSuY40AU) and by my touch I have elevated what began as mundane object into priceless art.”

It’s not that he believes his sycophants, its that he demands conformity to his narcissism and micromanagement impulse and organizational survival demands obedience. It drove guys like Jennison out, it’s driven lots of talent out. The talent that remains like Paul Jones or Dearsley or whoever is willing to indulge this fiction of Chris’s transcendent artistry but it is a fiction. The same is no less true of Sandi, who is even less competent — a figure of the highest symbolic power yet utterly inessential to her high station. So inessential that this VP of Marketing for a $180 million dollar gaming studio doesn’t even know basic details of the demonstrations her husband is presenting at their biggest externally-facing marketing event of the year! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LXFlVHD-R4&t=0m26s) If only prickly Pete Hines had it so easy!

Utterly inessential, yet it goes without saying inside CIG that anyone in the organization who might cross this personified hood ornament is out the door. Sycophancy is demanded by Chris and Sandi both and the history of the entire project is a testament to just how malformed organizational processes become under the nepotistic rule of unhinged narcissism.

The fact that lower ego artists yield to Chris’s vanity and engage in a mutually agreed upon act of collusive fiction that in turn justifies the incredible wastes of dev time and backer money is one example of how the pathology of Chris is systemic inside Cloud Imperium Games. It is now and has always been one of the biggest taxes backers pay and just as “The Road To CitizenCon” glamorized one set of pathologies Chris should be profoundly ashamed of, so too “The Origin of Spaceships (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paZYtrgaouw&t=19m12s)” glamorized another set. They are proud of that which they should apologize for because it has been demanded of them for so long that the dysfunction has been normalized.


If 2017 has kept a steadyish pace month to month I’d have believed the Tracker reflected natural ongoing demand, even if it was difficult to believe. But we saw a turnaround miracle in the span of the last 5 weeks that really does suggest manipulation even while an unplayable 3.0 was dumped at the 11th hour. While it’s possible the most far gone of the whales might account for it the sums are such that it’s far easier for me to imagine yet another pathology — an invisible one — very rooted in Chris Roberts precedent (misallocating development money for film FX in the good old days). It would be perfectly in keeping with organizational deviance already made visible elsewhere through close scrutiny.

I can only assume the scoffing from some of the silent observers always in our company that we might posit such a thing. :tinfoil: Madness.

There is infernal, nearly invisible machinery guiding logic and action within Cloud Imperium Games in accordance with the indomitable will of dishonest, vain people. The backers only rarely see it not because it can not be seen but because they do not wish to see it — for once it is fully stared at in all its ghastliness, it cannot be unseen. So too the metronomically grinding gears of this machine, a crunching easily mistaken for some ambient hum of room noise, are made distinct from it with cautious ears and they can not be unheard once discerned.

Do you silent lurkers want to see it? As you sit there shaking your heads, closing your minds and telling yourself it’s not really true, it’s too harsh a view. We can show it to you, but do you really want to see it? Hear it?

If you do, watch this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqX9pBw3Uas&t=41m45s) Closely. @ 41:46

Watch a man laugh to tell a brazen lie he does not believe and ask his brother to confirm it for an audience of thousands. Watch the reflection of his wife’s head as she turns in surprise to hear that request for confirmation go out to the brother, and hear their chuckling as that confirmation is given. See the faces of a team of developers who mostly know it can’t be so — they are half a year from even shooting the motion capture and God knows they haven’t got their AI working nor their missions fully built and there are assets required that haven’t yet been begun and will not for the entire year ahead.

See the discomfort of some, the knowing smiles of others?  And hear it conclude as Ben Lesnick of all people blurts out “No more dates!”

Why, you might wonder, did he do so after a room full of people jointly smiled their agreement with the Boss’s ambitious claim for an audience of thousands in the very season of goodwill towards men?

Because he knew it wasn’t so. They all knew. They knew it was wrong and they nodded along anyone because it was asked of them and to defy it would be subversion. And Lesnick knew it was wrong, he knew it wasn’t so, and while he could not defy it he could at least plead for it not to be repeated.

This was but a glimpse of the machinery and it is hidden everywhere in plain view should you wish to see it. It is not hatred or trolling to call it what it is for it is monstrous. It is wrong and you know it’s wrong and to root for that which you know is wrong to succeed for the sake of the game you desperately wish to play is to become yet another gear in a hellish machine yourself. So lurk silently if you must but don’t delude yourself that this is all some chattering sophistry from losers who can not see the Grand Design. We see it better than you think, only we call it what it is, and if you can’t you’re a fool and if you won’t you’re a liar.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: jwh1701 on March 26, 2018, 07:00:06 AM
Gorf also does a good job in exposing the sham. Hindsight is always interesting as going back and watching the old vids now its so much easier to see the problems.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 26, 2018, 12:39:08 PM
Gorf also does a good job in exposing the sham. Hindsight is always interesting as going back and watching the old vids now its so much easier to see the problems.

Indeed. And yes, the past videos and statements are a treasure trove of hilarity and proof that this was a scam.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 27, 2018, 03:47:19 AM
3.1 is looking good!  :emot-ughh:

Quote from: G0RF" post="482551783

STATE OF THE GAME: WTFO EDITION (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/243309924?t=1375)
(or “WTFO meets ‘the worst Uber driver ever’, an Existential Horror Story”)

I was checking out recent streams, curious how the 3.1 testing was going, and saw WTFO testing out Service Beacons, which went from non-functional to functional in a recent update. Given that Roberts was hyping player-generated missions as bringing a new dynamism to the ‘Verse, i was eager to see how it worked in practical terms.

At the link above, he’s sending out the request for a $100 Uber ride to Grimhex. By 28:25, his driver has arrived but floats a couple hundred meters off of the landing zone. WTFO’s annoyance was so visceral it almost felt like a real life cab had parked 2 football fields away from him and expected him to close the remaining distance.

“Is HE going to make me fly, fuckin’ EVA over to HIM?!”

He has to EVA out but you can see the gears turning as he’s planning his one star review for the pilot.

Eventually, against the sputtering backdrop of the server, he reaches the Terrapin and doubts he’ll be able to enter. However, he manages to open the side door and fly in, then closes the door and seats himself. He has a view of the pilot, skittering about at 6 FPS before he seats himself.

WTFO grouses yet again about about the “worst Uber driver ever” making him have to EVA over to the ship, an action which required him to depress one key on his keyboard for less than ten seconds.

He is now secured in his passenger seat with a military tech babytray locking him in position. His view of space is only a tiny slideshow glimpsed past the pilot he can not communicate with, who is far, far ahead of him in the Terrapin cockpit.

“Let’s see if he figures out where we need to go...”

After nearly a minute of 4 FPS action, it seems all hope is lost. (31:05) WTFO assumes the server has crashed. But wait! What’s this? The pilot is turning around... 20 degrees at a time. He gets out of his seat. Stands, and after an awkward pause begins moving down the corridor in a fashion so comically terrifying it can’t be described, only seen to never be unseen again.

WTFO is, however, trapped in his military tech babychair, restrained by the tray. The macabre dance as the pilot moves closer foreshadows pending death and even WTFO can sense it nearing.

From chat: “He is going to come and shoot you...”

WTFO braces for the inevitable as the pilot spaz-a-jigs up beside him. The end is so obviously near, with the hope of a crashing server seeming our surly bearded hero’s only chance of escape.

At 32:00 in, the Pilot starts a stuttering, slow-motion fall that under better conditions might have looked like a man crumpling to his death. But this is not such a circumstance.

“He just killed himself... and I can’t get out of the thing.”

His “worst Uber driver ever” now dead, his spacedoll trapped in his military spec babychair, WTFO has no choice but to quit as well. Yet the show must go on, so he returns as he so often does, to the mundane miseries of another Star Marine session. It will last three hours that surely feel like six.

At least he’s not stuck playing Sea of Thieves. It doesn’t have half the gameplay of Chris Roberts’ Star Citizen.

Start around the 00:15 mark.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: StanTheMan on March 27, 2018, 07:03:51 AM
LOL.

There is some fun to be had for those thousands of $ and all these years ...but it is free fun if you watch other peoples vids.
Title: Re: Star Citizen - The Citizenship
Post by: dsmart on March 27, 2018, 07:24:56 AM
LOL.

There is some fun to be had for those thousands of $ and all these years ...but it is free fun if you watch other peoples vids.

It's crazy to me how some of those guys are still looking at this game, and truly believing that it's ever going to get done.